NationStates Jolt Archive

Before someone starts, I'll make it straight. I am FULLY AGAINST child pornography, and those who produce it deserve the death penalty. But despite the obvious moral wrong in child pornography, it will be legal...eventually, whether we like it or not(I certainly do not like it)

100 years ago it was illegal to be homosexual. Back than that was acceptable, that was just how it was. but now homosexuals live among us as equal members of society(nothing wrong with that)

the thought of legalising child pornography fully(meaning even young babies) right now is a ridicolous thought. But will it be legalised one day? Almost guaranteed within the next 100 years. And theres no doubt about it that it will be in a liberal or socialist nation.

So who will fully legalise it first? Poll coming

Mongolia.

Mongolia.
Really, I was gonna say Andorra or Swaziland.

Moralrelativistan.

South Africa. Since they believe down there that sex with little kids is a cure for AIDS. So kiddie porn will probably fall under educational video´s.

Slippery Sloap bullshit

why put Ireland and the UK together? thay are 2 diff. countrys and I feel a little upset!

Totally Japan.

Will you people ever stop with the "slippery slope" nonsense? Legalizing gay marriage and adult pornography does not mean that anyone is going to legalize child pornography or murder. Just because people don't share your morality doesn't mean that they don't have an ethical system of their own.

why put Ireland and the UK together? thay are 2 diff. countrys and I feel a little upset!

I'm only allowed 10 options, so I decided to put that whole area together. At least Ireland is mentioned, because it would of either been just UK or UK/Ireland

Bahrain.


;)

none of those countries will legalize child porn. it is more likely that any of them might make adult porn illegal than that they would make the rape of children a legal form of entertainment

perhaps a country like thailand which has a significant problem with forced prostitution might decide its a route to go for the powerful money interests to make more profits.

Totally Japan.
Yeah. They have a thing for young schoolgirls and tentacley space monsters there.

Slippery Sloap bullshit

Gun control = higher taxes = child pornography.

Before someone starts, I'll make it straight. I am FULLY AGAINST child pornography, and those who produce it deserve the death penalty. But despite the obvious moral wrong in child pornography, it will be legal...eventually, whether we like it or not(I certainly do not like it)

100 years ago it was illegal to be homosexual. Back than that was acceptable, that was just how it was. but now homosexuals live among us as equal members of society(nothing wrong with that)

the thought of legalising child pornography fully(meaning even young babies) right now is a ridicolous thought. But will it be legalised one day? Almost guaranteed within the next 100 years. And theres no doubt about it that it will be in a liberal or socialist nation.

So who will fully legalise it first? Poll coming


It does not follow that legalizing homosexuality will lead to legalizing child pornography. One has nothing to do with the other! So I think that your notion is wrong from the off. In fact, in the past, it was not only legal, but acceptable for children of what we would consider a very young age (12 or 13) to marry and procreate, but we have changed that in favor of protecting children. What makes you think that THIS trend will not continue?

What a load of crap. OP you have absolutely no proof that child pornography is likely to be legalised in any of the nations you refer to. Homosexuality and child pornography are entirely seperate issues. You really are talking through a gaping hole in the top of your head and it appears logic is something that you are utterly alienated from.

Way to prove you couldnt reason your way out of a wet paper bag....careful your biggotry is showing.

It depends on what you define as 'child pornography.' If by that you mean anyone under 18, then suprise! Sweden and Denmark both have ages of consent lower than 18. I know in Denmark that one can act in porn at 16. Plus(and forgive my ignorance) I'm positive there are other countries with similarly under-18 ages of consent.

So to talk about this you're gonna have to define 'child.'

Will you people ever stop with the "slippery slope" nonsense? Legalizing gay marriage and adult pornography does not mean that anyone is going to legalize child pornography or murder. Just because people don't share your morality doesn't mean that they don't have an ethical system of their own.
Well said.
And agreed to

It depends on what you define as 'child pornography.' If by that you mean anyone under 18, then suprise! Sweden and Denmark both have ages of consent lower than 18. I know in Denmark that one can act in porn at 16. Plus(and forgive my ignorance) I'm positive there are other countries with similarly under-18 ages of consent.

So to talk about this you're gonna have to define 'child.'
Good point. And I wouldn't go so far as consider those a bad thing: after all, I watched porn at 16, and would've liked to see some with actors my age.

Will you people ever stop with the "slippery slope" nonsense? Legalizing gay marriage and adult pornography does not mean that anyone is going to legalize child pornography or murder. Just because people don't share your morality doesn't mean that they don't have an ethical system of their own.

I agree totally.

Ordinarily I'd reply, "It's Togo, isn't it?" but instead I'll just take a pass on this one.

Good point. And I wouldn't go so far as consider those a bad thing: after all, I watched porn at 16, and would've liked to see some with actors my age.

I agree. IMHO I think the age of consent should be 16, or 14 if you do it with someone also under 16.

Good point. And I wouldn't go so far as consider those a bad thing: after all, I watched porn at 16, and would've liked to see some with actors my age.

That's probably the funniest justification I've ever read. You win an intarnet.

Gun control = higher taxes = child pornography.
Ah, its so clear now! How could I have ever been so blind.:rolleyes:

Canada has an age of consent of 14, or at least it did, i don't know if anyone has changed that. That only applies though if the older person is not in a position of power over the younger one, such as a teacher, parent, clergyman, etc. England has an age of consent of 16, and i've heard that in Japan it's 12.

Canada has an age of consent of 14, or at least it did, i don't know if anyone has changed that. That only applies though if the older person is not in a position of power over the younger one, such as a teacher, parent, clergyman, etc. .

The older person has to be under 18 as well.

I am disturbed by your lack of faith in humanity. I was under the impression that child sex has become less acceptable as time goes on.

Okay, see, i didn't know that, and i live here...lol.

I agree. IMHO I think the age of consent should be 16, or 14 if you do it with someone also under 16.

If you have sex consensually with someone approximately your own age, and you aren't being pressured to do it by adults (in which case you are the victim, not the perpentrator), it should be legal whatever age you are.

Pornography is a different matter, however; there's an implicit coercion in adults making money off child sex. It should be considered rape, like pedophilia. 16 and over sounds reasonable to me.

Bahrain.
Oh, come on, doesn't anyone get it?

I can't believe no one commented.

Oh, come on, doesn't anyone get it?

I can't believe no one commented.

I feel that way all the time.

Oh, come on, doesn't anyone get it?

I can't believe no one commented.

Har har har. I think he's too busy Burkha-shopping to molest anyone for a while.

Russia, I've heard a million sick jokes on how it's big busineess there. And I've heard the age of Consent is 8 to 10 in some countries.

Oh, come on, doesn't anyone get it?

I can't believe no one commented.

And Michael would agree with you.

There, feel better now?

:)

Oh, come on, doesn't anyone get it?

I can't believe no one commented.

Har har, let's all kick Michael Jackson while he's down.

Russia, I've heard a million sick jokes on how it's big busineess there.

It's no joke. :(

That's probably the funniest justification I've ever read. You win an intarnet.
=D Yay, I usually never win anything!

I agree. IMHO I think the age of consent should be 16, or 14 if you do it with someone also under 16.
In fact, In my opinion the age of consent can be as low as 12, as long as it's with another minor. I wouldn't let anyone under 16 play in porn flicks, though.

Canada has an age of consent of 14, or at least it did, i don't know if anyone has changed that. That only applies though if the older person is not in a position of power over the younger one, such as a teacher, parent, clergyman, etc. England has an age of consent of 16, and i've heard that in Japan it's 12.
It's still 14, but we don't know for how long. Our new conservative Minister of Justice, Vic Toews, made it his first priority to draw legislation trying to raise the age of consent to 16, supposedly to "protect the children from abuse" by older partners. Seeing as how the current law already protects them from abuse, I can only hope that measure gets defeated in parliament.

The older person has to be under 18 as well.
Nope, as long as the older person isn't in a position of power over the younger one, they're safe from the judiciary.

As long as no abuse is taking place, of course.

It's no joke. :(
That's why the jokes are sick. (Sick as in not funny.)

In fact, In my opinion the age of consent can be as low as 12, as long as it's with another minor. I wouldn't let anyone under 16 play in porn flicks, though.

Thinking about it more there doesn't seem to be a good reason to set an age for minors having sex with minors. I mean the only good reason to inhibit sexual intercourse is to prevent exploitation and harm, and I don't see either of those as inherent in sex between minors. But the urestricted age of consent should be 16.

Nope, as long as the older person isn't in a position of power over the younger one, they're safe from the judiciary.

As long as no abuse is taking place, of course.

I've yet to hear of any case that allowed it to go down when the older person was over 18, but if you're sure I guess I'll take your word for it.

Where is "none of the above"?

Thinking about it more there doesn't seem to be a good reason to set an age for minors having sex with minors. I mean the only good reason to inhibit sexual intercourse is to prevent exploitation and harm, and I don't see either of those as inherent in sex between minors. But the urestricted age of consent should be 16.
Again, only as long as there is no abuse going on. But it is a fine line to thread on the issue of consent: the younger a teenager/child, the easier it is for him/her to be manipulated or abused. So I really wouldn't abolish completely the age on consent.

I wouldn't necessarily call for legal action to be taken for 11 years old who have sex willingly, but I've never heard of a child uner 10 having intercourse without having been pushed by an older person.

It's difficult to gauge accurately because it's all about puberty, and puberty happens at different ages for everyone.

Still, I wouldn't condone an adult having sex with a teenager under 16.

Where is "none of the above"?

yeah, and i'm not seeing why some of these countries are even on the list... like, most of them...

I'm only allowed 10 options, so I decided to put that whole area together. At least Ireland is mentioned, because it would of either been just UK or UK/Ireland
You forgot the NONE or OTHER option. This thread is purely speculative and is for entertainment only. Trolling might be the proper term.

yeah, and i'm not seeing why some of these countries are even on the list... like, most of them...
Because slippery slopes don't discriminate.

There was a discussion about the inevitability of this in the US that I was privvy to in "rl" not so long ago in the context of the evolution of myspace and ubiquity of webcams, cheaper better digital photography and cinema. The rational went that it is only a matter of time before a small group of savvy enough highschoolers get together, incorporate with themselves as officers of a company and star in their own child porn. Eventually, they'd be sued but because of the demand they'd have the resources to defend themselves, and they'd almost necessarily prevail as they're the one's exploiting themselves and getting rich doing it. With the know-how, a professional looking movie costs about $7,000. That's a hell of a lot of prospective margin.

But I would think the proper funny answer is The Vatican.

None, I hope. I think adult pornography is silly, repetitive and unimaginative, but the adults involved are able, theoretically, to make the informed, if not intelligent, decision to do it. Children who are involved in it make no decision about it at all, they are forced into it by presumed adults who should know better. Anyplace that it is made legal is, in my opinion, a depraved State, unfit to continue.

I'd say iran, but they don't have porn.

Good point. And I wouldn't go so far as consider those a bad thing: after all, I watched porn at 16, and would've liked to see some with actors my age.
very true

Gun control = higher taxes = child pornography.
Guns for tots?


I... I'm gonna have to retract that statement.

I'd say iran, but they don't have porn.
To them, porn is showing an unclothed woman's wrist.

And I must agree with those that state that, so long as it is voluntary between the two minors, there really shouldn't be an age of consent. Harsher laws placed in to prevent abuse, yes, and perhaps keep the 18 year age barrier(that is, you can only have sex with those 18 and up if you're 18 or older, and sex only with those 17 and younger if you're 17 or younger) and a low level--say, around 11 or 10--to prevent teens from pressuring preteens, but other than that, no age consent limitation.

Furthermore, if, like in Kibolonia's example, a bunch of them do it on their own and film it themselves and all that, then that should be legal too. It's only when adults and others are pressuring them into it that is wrong.

That said, I have no interest in any pornography featuring anyone younger than 17, and will not view any of that nature.

Perhaps one of the stupiest poll questions I have seen a long time. Was any time of effort put into choosing which countries would appear on the poll? Any research done? Also, as someone already stated, where is the 'none of the above' choice. Stupid.

Perhaps one of the stupiest poll questions I have seen a long time. Was any time of effort put into choosing which countries would appear on the poll? Any research done? Also, as someone already stated, where is the 'none of the above' choice. Stupid.Not to mention the utter lack of an "other" option...

I picked Belgium cause no-one else had.
Mmm..now to justify it.
Umm...

OK! I've got it.

Belgium makes fantastic chocolates and strong beer.

So it's just a small step away from enticing kids into cars with chocs and getting them drunk becoming an acceptable and then legally encouraged pasttime.

Makes about as much sense as this stupid thread.

Italy!

Reason: Child pornography was legal in the Roman Empire. It was proper for men to have relations with a young boy. Thus, Rome beats all other countries by about 2000 years. :p

Oh, come on, doesn't anyone get it?

I can't believe no one commented.
fishing for the MJ how droll

And theres no doubt about it that it will be in a liberal or socialist nation.
I've isolated the ideological attack. Inconsistent, because socialists support children's rights and capitalists don't (well, besides the right to be slaves :rolleyes: ). Capitalist individuals would have the most to gain from the legal right to exploit children in this manner.

It's already legal to download child pornography in South Korea. I don't think it was ever illegal.

Thinking about it more there doesn't seem to be a good reason to set an age for minors having sex with minors. I mean the only good reason to inhibit sexual intercourse is to prevent exploitation and harm, and I don't see either of those as inherent in sex between minors. But the urestricted age of consent should be 16.
Don't forget preventing underage pregnancy! We don't want any of that. But age of consent laws alone don't affect that much.

Sicktwististan.

Either an area in Africa, or one of the third world Asian countries.


Italy!

Reason: Child pornography was legal in the Roman Empire. It was proper for men to have relations with a young boy. Thus, Rome beats all other countries by about 2000 years. :p

That's so disturbing... poor Italy. At least they have repented...Say that about my country. *covers Italy's ears*

It does not follow that legalizing homosexuality will lead to legalizing child pornography. One has nothing to do with the other! So I think that your notion is wrong from the off. In fact, in the past, it was not only legal, but acceptable for children of what we would consider a very young age (12 or 13) to marry and procreate, but we have changed that in favor of protecting children. What makes you think that THIS trend will not continue?

People abandening superstition like the plague. Will cuase many things to discontinue.

Canada, Russia or Sweden.

Cromotar the Greeks did it too and before the Romans...

I'd say iran, but they don't have porn.

IIRC their law allowing men to marry[1] 9 year old girls has been replaced by one putting the minmum age at 13. I believe Romania is now the lowest with 10, though I could be off...

[1] Sex outside marriage is illegal in Iran.

And theres no doubt about it that it will be in a liberal or socialist nation.



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Ah yes, but of course

Japan, what do think Hentai really is ... :D

The poll is backwards. A more germaine question would be which will be the last to outlaw child porn. Japan will get my vote.

A bit of background first. "Underaged" porn was completely legal until 1999 - as in before then, you could walk into even a mainstream video shop or bookstore and buy a video or magazine featuring softcore full nude preteens. In fact, it would have been difficult to purchase a porno mag that didn't have at least one or two "underaged" (ususually 16-17) models. And that includes some of the Japanese editions of the big international names like Penthouse and Playboy.

Even now, highly questionable suggestive sexualized images of pre-teens are acceptable. For a good example, consider Saaya Irie. While still 11, she was being photographed for glamor photography by Garo Aida (a Japanese photographer most famous for his erotica and porn) in bikini shots that were advertised as being a "busty 11 year old".

Even the Disney channel is in on it here. Last year, the latest season of the show "Lizzie McGuire" to air here was advertised as featuring a "sexier, sexier Lizzy" - Disney channel Japan appaerantly saw no problem with advertising junior high school aged girls as sexy. (Around the same time, they featured a music video of a Japanese singer covering Lizzy McGuire actress Hillary Duff"s song "I Can't Wait" - while wearing a tight cropped t-shirt that had the word " HORNY" printed on it in large lettering.)

I'm no prude - I plan to visit a strip club later this week - but 11 year old "busty" glamor models and "sexy, sexy" Jr. High girls on Disney is simply not healthy.

Well, I can't deny your logic. I mean, if we can legalize homosexuality, something between two consenting adults, then surely beastiality and child molestation will have to be next. :confused:

After that we'll legalize rape.

I am disturbed by your lack of faith in humanity. I was under the impression that child sex has become less acceptable as time goes on.

i agree with you, at least there have been many laws passed on it in the united states to prosecute those that do have child porn. and those that think the united states would be first to legalise it, are you on crack?, or are you just anit american you vote for USA in every poll that is a negative thing?

Don't forget preventing underage pregnancy! We don't want any of that. But age of consent laws alone don't affect that much.
Age of consent laws doesn't reduce teenage pregnancy: sex education does. Look up the stats for all those states and countries without sex ed, and compare em with those who have sex ed in school. It's enlightening.

Well, I can't deny your logic. I mean, if we can legalize homosexuality, something between two consenting adults, then surely beastiality and child molestation will have to be next. :confused:

After that we'll legalize rape.
Of course. And you know us dirty homos can't wait for the time when we can happily rape you heterosexual males in a three-way ordy with the family pet right in front of your kids without fear of legal pursuits.

[/sarcasm]

Of course. And you know us dirty homos can't wait for the time when we can happily rape you heterosexual males in a three-way ordy with the family pet right in front of your kids without fear of legal pursuits.

[/sarcasm]
Imma start making snuff films now. They'll legalize those next. :)

Age of consent laws doesn't reduce teenage pregnancy: sex education does. Look up the stats for all those states and countries without sex ed, and compare em with those who have sex ed in school. It's enlightening.
Yes I know that education is the way and I vaguely acknowledged that. I'm just saying that reducing teen prgnancy is a legitimate government priority.

Of course. And you know us dirty homos can't wait for the time when we can happily rape you heterosexual males in a three-way ordy with the family pet right in front of your kids without fear of legal pursuits.

[/sarcasm]
Yeah what is up with all these straight guys who think that all gays want their ass? I'm a straight and male myself and I don't understand it.

The poll is backwards. A more germaine question would be which will be the last to outlaw child porn. Japan will get my vote.

A bit of background first. "Underaged" porn was completely legal until 1999 - as in before then, you could walk into even a mainstream video shop or bookstore and buy a video or magazine featuring softcore full nude preteens. In fact, it would have been difficult to purchase a porno mag that didn't have at least one or two "underaged" (ususually 16-17) models. And that includes some of the Japanese editions of the big international names like Penthouse and Playboy.

Even now, highly questionable suggestive sexualized images of pre-teens are acceptable. For a good example, consider Saaya Irie. While still 11, she was being photographed for glamor photography by Garo Aida (a Japanese photographer most famous for his erotica and porn) in bikini shots that were advertised as being a "busty 11 year old".

Even the Disney channel is in on it here. Last year, the latest season of the show "Lizzie McGuire" to air here was advertised as featuring a "sexier, sexier Lizzy" - Disney channel Japan appaerantly saw no problem with advertising junior high school aged girls as sexy. (Around the same time, they featured a music video of a Japanese singer covering Lizzy McGuire actress Hillary Duff"s song "I Can't Wait" - while wearing a tight cropped t-shirt that had the word " HORNY" printed on it in large lettering.)

I'm no prude - I plan to visit a strip club later this week - but 11 year old "busty" glamor models and "sexy, sexy" Jr. High girls on Disney is simply not healthy.

Indeed, I've seen more than my share of hentai and Japan has some serious issues with their pandemic paraphilia. I shudder to think what conditions could even lead to such widespread pædophilia.

I don't think anyone will legalize child pornography.

Yeah what is up with all these straight guys who think that all gays want their ass? I'm a straight and male myself and I don't understand it.
I have a theory that all straight males going paranoid about gay men wanting them are actually those who aren't secure in their sexuality. In other words, they're afraid of it to happen because they're scared they might like it, whereas a straight man secure in his sexuality really couldn't care less whether a random gay man might find him attractive or not.

Heh, it's just a theory though.

People abandening superstition like the plague. Will cuase many things to discontinue.

That is almost funny, in a bizarre sort of way. One of the reasons that we have moved away from childhood marriage has to do with the longer and healthier lives we now lead, unlike the middle ages when the plague was rampant and people tended to die young, so it was important that women breed early.

And we are much less superstitious now than we were then. So yes, superstitions being abandoned, and the plague no longer being an issue DO, in fact, lead to our current desire to be more protective of children, and to allow them a healthier and happier childhood, which will, hopefully, cause child pornography to be discontinued.

Indeed, I've seen more than my share of hentai and Japan has some serious issues with their pandemic paraphilia. I shudder to think what conditions could even lead to such widespread pædophilia.

As sexually screwed up as Japan can and often is, there certainly are some attitudes that are healthier than the US.

Prostitution has a long history here. It exists in a semi-legal grey area now, but even then, it is mostly wink-winked at.

Really, the issues go much deeper than superficial issues of sexuality.

Before someone starts, I'll make it straight. I am FULLY AGAINST child pornography, and those who produce it deserve the death penalty. But despite the obvious moral wrong in child pornography, it will be legal...eventually, whether we like it or not(I certainly do not like it)
So you say that sex is inherently evil, and anyone who exposes the poor innocent children to it deserves no better than death?

The only ones who actually deserve the death penalty are bigoted puritan creeps like you! :mad:
Next up the wall will be all those braindead retards making totally clueless comments on Japan :sniper:

So you say that sex is inherently evil, and anyone who exposes the poor innocent children to it deserves no better than death?

The only ones who actually deserve the death penalty are bigoted puritan creeps like you! :mad:

He never said anything like that.



Next up the wall will be all those braindead retards making totally clueless comments on Japan :sniper:

Daistallia lives in Japan. I think that makes him qualified to talk about it.

So you say that sex is inherently evil, and anyone who exposes the poor innocent children to it deserves no better than death?

He says abusing of children in order to make pornographic images of them deserves no better than death. Learn to read.


The only ones who actually deserve the death penalty are bigoted puritan creeps like you! :mad:

Let's not wish death on anyone here.


Next up the wall will be all those braindead retards making totally clueless comments on Japan :sniper:
Those "braindead retards" are merely stating the cultural and ethical differences of Japan towards sexuality, specifically teenage sexuality. I have a friend who has made several trips to Japan and from her accounts, they're right about Japan having a totally different outlook on sexuality.

No first world nation of that I'm sure.

Yeah what is up with all these straight guys who think that all gays want their ass? I'm a straight and male myself and I don't understand it.

Suppressed desire.

Many years ago when my hag and I first started running around together, I would tease her that I was going to take her to an adult book store next time we went into the city. She had a fit and went on about how horrible and filthy such places were. But every time we went into the city, she would ask when we were going to the adult book store. I'd ask her if she really wanted to go, and she would have her little fit about it each time.

I finally got it out of her that she really did want to go. But she didn't want to be seen as doing so willingly. She wanted to be made to go so that if anyone found out, she could deny responsibility.

I think a lot of these parinoid "straight" guys are the same as my hag was. They really want to experiment, but they don't want to seen as gay for doing so. They want to be "made" to do it, to be "taken advantage" of. They would like it, but they don't want anyone to know they would like it.

That's been my experience anyway.

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Next up the wall will be all those braindead retards making totally clueless comments on Japan

As DrunkenDove pointed out (and as you can see if you look to the lest side of the screen, where my location is listed) I reside in Japan, and have done so for 15 years. If that qualifies me as "totally clueless", you want to reconsider who the "braindead retard" is.

Anyhow, here's more on Japan and child pornography:

Law for Punishing Acts Related to Child Prostitution and Child Pornography, and for Protecting Children.

This is a temporary translated version of the New Law adopted by the Japanese Diet, in April 1999 related to Child Prostitution, Child Pornography and Sexual Abuse of Children committed by Japanese nationals abroad.

Article 1 - Objective

The objective of this Law is to protect the rights of children by prescribing punishment for acts related to child prostitution and child pornography, and by establishing measures including the giving of appropriate protection to children who have suffered physically and/or mentally from the said acts, in light of the fact that sexual exploitation and sexual abuse of children seriously infringe

http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaJapan.asp

Friday, 19 April, 2002, 11:11 GMT 12:11 UK
Japan sets sights on online child porn
Porn newsgroup
Japan's laws on child porn have been criticised as lax
Japan is planning to tighten the laws on child pornography on the internet.

The government was hoping to put forward legislation to criminalise the transmission of such material online in time for the next ordinary session of parliament in January, said an official.

Although it is illegal to sell or distribute child pornography in Japan, there are no laws to stop individuals who show pornographic images of children on their websites.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1939237.stm

http://www.crime-research.org/articles/536/2

Of further note, is the continuing problem of child prostitution. Generally, child prostitutes are forced into it. While this does happen in Japan, all through the 1990s, "enjo kosai" ("compensated dating", whch may or may not involve sex) was the big news story. The vast majority engaged in in voluntarily. The numbers of girls who participated is up for debate, but there's something wrong with a society when 75% of high school girls have been propositioned by a john.

While even the most liberal estimates limit enjo kosai to 13 percent of school-aged girls, a Tokyo survey found that an amazing 75 percent of girls responding had been solicited by older men interested in enjo kosai.
http://goasia.about.com/cs/azsiteindex/l/blenjokosai.htm

(And don't even get me started on Chikan "molesters" on the crowded trains. Every women I've ever asked, said she'd been groped up on a train. Every last one. :mad:)

Suppressed desire.

Many years ago when my hag and I first started running around together, I would tease her that I was going to take her to an adult book store next time we went into the city. She had a fit and went on about how horrible and filthy such places were. But every time we went into the city, she would ask when we were going to the adult book store. I'd ask her if she really wanted to go, and she would have her little fit about it each time.

I finally got it out of her that she really did want to go. But she didn't want to be seen as doing so willingly. She wanted to be made to go so that if anyone found out, she could deny responsibility.

I think a lot of these parinoid "straight" guys are the same as my hag was. They really want to experiment, but they don't want to seen as gay for doing so. They want to be "made" to do it, to be "taken advantage" of. They would like it, but they don't want anyone to know they would like it.

That's been my experience anyway.

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Bingo. And this also gets into the very twisted Japanese sex mind. More of my Japanese girlfriends have been into bondage (as subs), compared with those back in the US. Same sort of repressed sex drive. Japanese women are supposed to put on a face of being seen as good asexual daughters and wives. But the bondage bit really does it in some cases. (And although I've tried, I have yet to check into the infamous "Hello Kitty Bondage Room" at the Adonis Hotel (a famous local love hotel).

(Sorry, yes I'm going on too much. I'll stop now.)

There are numerous states in the US where the Age of Consent is 16 or 17...

Bingo. And this also gets into the very twisted Japanese sex mind. More of my Japanese girlfriends have been into bondage (as subs), compared with those back in the US. Same sort of repressed sex drive. Japanese women are supposed to put on a face of being seen as good asexual daughters and wives. But the bondage bit really does it in some cases. (And although I've tried, I have yet to check into the infamous "Hello Kitty Bondage Room" at the Adonis Hotel (a famous local love hotel).

(Sorry, yes I'm going on too much. I'll stop now.)
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A Hello Kitty Bondage Room? Oh my god... that's SO gay, and that's said coming from me.

What the hell, I'm going to go for the US right-wing, redneck popular vote and bash France.
Yep, France will become a nation of kiddie-fiddlers.
I mean, they even made a hugely popular song about it, "Thank 'eaven for little girls".
Which is pretty creepy, when you seriously sit down and listen to it.


Other countries? Don't know. I'll wait and see where Paul Gadd goes to next, once he's been released.

From the poll options, Japan. But in reality- Brazil.

Italy!

Reason: Child pornography was legal in the Roman Empire. It was proper for men to have relations with a young boy. Thus, Rome beats all other countries by about 2000 years. :p

Greeks did it before the Romans, and I suspect they weren't the first either.

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A Hello Kitty Bondage Room? Oh my god... that's SO gay, and that's said coming from me.

Of course, it's brought to you by the same minds that brought forth the even more infamous Hello Kitty "massage wand" ;).

Yeah, a lot of Japanese cutsyness can be very ... gay.
It's really awful sometimes though - I've seen young ladies dressed up in nice sexy, sophisticated designer outfit or a beautiful kimono that really just don't go with their Hello Kitty cell phone and Anpanman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anpanman) hand bag (or whatever cutsy character adorns their accessories). But to each their own. It's usually good for a giggle.

Ya know, my gay friends have told me it's a paradise here. Lots of fem-boys running around, if that's your type...

Ya know, my gay friends have told me it's a paradise here. Lots of fem-boys running around, if that's your type...
Actually, I've been talking about going there with my favorite female friend, who also happens to be a crazy japanophile and fangirl. And, technically my fag hag, since she so enjoys yaoi.

I'm not usually into feminine looking boys, but I've got a thing for asian boys, and I can live with the androgynous look.

Actually, I've been talking about going there with my favorite female friend, who also happens to be a crazy japanophile and fangirl. And, technically my fag hag, since she so enjoys yaoi.

I'm not usually into feminine looking boys, but I've got a thing for asian boys, and I can live with the androgynous look.

Let me know if and when you decide to come, and I'll see if I can't hook you up with someone who knows the scene.

Let me know if and when you decide to come, and I'll see if I can't hook you up with someone who knows the scene.
I'll be sure to let you know. I certainly could use a nice boyfriend about now. But It'd probably end up in mushy goodbyes at the airport anyway. I don't think I could live in Japan. I'd have to learn japanese first, and I'm too far from their corporate culture to actually succeed professionnaly.

The poll is backwards. A more germaine question would be which will be the last to outlaw child porn. Japan will get my vote.

A bit of background first. "Underaged" porn was completely legal until 1999 - as in before then, you could walk into even a mainstream video shop or bookstore and buy a video or magazine featuring softcore full nude preteens. In fact, it would have been difficult to purchase a porno mag that didn't have at least one or two "underaged" (ususually 16-17) models. And that includes some of the Japanese editions of the big international names like Penthouse and Playboy.

Even now, highly questionable suggestive sexualized images of pre-teens are acceptable. For a good example, consider Saaya Irie. While still 11, she was being photographed for glamor photography by Garo Aida (a Japanese photographer most famous for his erotica and porn) in bikini shots that were advertised as being a "busty 11 year old".

Even the Disney channel is in on it here. Last year, the latest season of the show "Lizzie McGuire" to air here was advertised as featuring a "sexier, sexier Lizzy" - Disney channel Japan appaerantly saw no problem with advertising junior high school aged girls as sexy. (Around the same time, they featured a music video of a Japanese singer covering Lizzy McGuire actress Hillary Duff"s song "I Can't Wait" - while wearing a tight cropped t-shirt that had the word " HORNY" printed on it in large lettering.)

I'm no prude - I plan to visit a strip club later this week - but 11 year old "busty" glamor models and "sexy, sexy" Jr. High girls on Disney is simply not healthy.
I almost questioned how you know this, but seeing as it is your respectable self i say Bravo.

Of course, it's brought to you by the same minds that brought forth the even more infamous Hello Kitty "massage wand" ;).

Yeah, a lot of Japanese cutsyness can be very ... gay.
It's really awful sometimes though - I've seen young ladies dressed up in nice sexy, sophisticated designer outfit or a beautiful kimono that really just don't go with their Hello Kitty cell phone and Anpanman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anpanman) hand bag (or whatever cutsy character adorns their accessories). But to each their own. It's usually good for a giggle.

Ya know, my gay friends have told me it's a paradise here. Lots of fem-boys running around, if that's your type...

Not fem, they just take care of themselves. :)

Not fem, they just take care of themselves. :)

Trust me, fem-boys. Carrying your girlfriend's shopping bags - not fem. Carrying your girlfriend's handbag - a bit fem. Carrying your own handbag, full of make up - fem-boy.

More of this pathetic slippery slope nonsense. Oh, no, if we legalize being gay, people will be legalizing child pr0n, armed robbery, and murder any minute now! What is so hard about realizing that opposition to irrational, feudal religious morality is not the same as unprincipled, ethicsless total moral relativism?

Believe it or not, some people develop a moral code based in reason and ethical behavior, and don't require a book of myths to tell them how to behave, leading to their simultaneous condemnation of homophobic discrimination and sexual juvenile exploitation.

I almost questioned how you know this, but seeing as it is your respectable self i say Bravo.

Somehow I missed that yesterday.
Just to put your mind at ease:
As for the videos, they were displayed right along with all the other adult videos. One shop I walked into had a whole section devoted to it.

As for books and magazines, many bookstores here carry porn, and most displayed right alongside the regular stuff. And as I said, 16 and 17 year olds regularly appeared in even Playboy.

And I came accross Saaya Irie on Wikipedia.

I hope child pornography is never legalized