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One of the worst things about rape is that too many genuine rapes are not reported, and that their seriousness is denigrated by a minority demographic of psychotic women who consider claiming rape against a man to be a legitimate revenge tactic. Even if proven innocent this usually ruins the man's life as he loses his job and friends.

So if a woman claiming rape is proven to be lying, how should she be punished? I think that an effective deterrent would be to punish this variety of perjury with the severity of a punishment for rape. Why? I'm not a legal expert, but it makes sense that the woman should have to go through the punishment which she aimed to put an innocent man through.

So if a woman claiming rape is proven to be lying, how should she be punished?

She should be raped. For real this time. By very, very angry men.

.. this variety of perjury ... what are the available sentences for "perjury"

To be honest, her entire assets should be given to the dude and she should be imprisoned for life.


This goes for ANY false claims in my opinion

She should be raped. For real this time. By very, very angry men.
I know you're a Muslim, but I hoped you would not advocate rural Pakistan-style punishments!

I know you're a Muslim...he is kidding you..

I know you're a Muslim, but I hoped you would not advocate rural Pakistan-style punishments!

Heh ... no ... I'm not being serious. It was just the first thing that popped into my head. I'm a screaming, radical feminist and could never seriously condone rape in any circumstances.

As severely as possible; false rape accusations are not something you fuck around with to get back at someone for any reason...not only are you likely destroying the life of whomever you accused, but you are also taking away the time, money, and resources that could be dedicated to women who really were raped.

Easy: carry out the sentence as if the rape claim was true, but give it to the female instead.

what are the available (max.) sentences for "perjury"2 years? 3 years? 5 years?

that should be enough.. IMO

Where I live, there already are rather serious punishments for false testimony in terms of rape -- not only will you get slammed for perjury, they'll also make you pay ALL the court costs, and usually sue you for a frivolous lawsuit. Unfortunately, to avoid this they also make all rape victims who wish to press charges go through hell and back, barefoot, before it can even proceed to court. Even after I'd seen two different doctors (within 24 hours) and three psychologists, the defense attorney was still throwing up roadblocks claiming that I could be making it up based on "textbook cases" of rape, especially considering I worked for an attorney at the time.

It just seems like the further you go to prevent false claims, the worse you make it on women who've already suffered through the actual act.

Nothing involving criminal law.
Freedom of Speech. It pwns.
Sucks for the guy, but he probably did something to get himself into that situation.

I suppose he should be allowed to sue her for any wages lost and legal fees.

Nothing involving criminal law.
Sucks for the guy, but he probably did something to get himself into that situation.
and I suppose all rape victims probably did something to get into that situation too, so rapists shouldn't be punished either?

Nothing involving criminal law.
Freedom of Speech. It pwns.
Sucks for the guy, but he probably did something to get himself into that situation.Perjury is a criminal offense..

Freedom-of-Speech does not allow you for Perjury.

Drag her out back and shoot her, or is that too extreme?

Simonist']Where I live, there already are rather serious punishments for false testimony in terms of rape -- not only will you get slammed for perjury...(where you live) How many years do you get for Perjury? (If they find you made up a Rape.)

she should be convicted of perjury, false arrest and filing a false police report

she should be on the hook for the entire cost of the proceedings with the legal bill (and lifestyle bills if he had to stay in jail without bail) of the defendant getting paid off first.

her jail sentence should be at least as long as the defendant had to stay in jail.

she should have to make public announcements of various sorts letting everyone know that SHE was the guilty one and that the defendant was utterly and completely innocent.

since the women who would make such a claim are viscious psychobitches, it will be no deterrent from anyone doing it in the future but at least there would be just punishment for it.

(where you live) How many year do you get for Perjury? (If they find you made up a Rape.)
I think it depends largely upon the case in question, and in any case it's a certain percent of what the accused would serve. So for the case of date-rape, or acquaintence rape, perjury would result in a relatively low time. But for rape in association with an assault, the accuser could get up to 10 years for perjury, I believe.

Perjury is a criminal offense..

Freedom-of-Speech does not allow you for Perjury.
I think it should.
and I suppose all rape victims probably did something to get into that situation too, so rapists shouldn't be punished either?
I’m certain the vast majority didn’t, but it would be dishonest to say that at least some made a mistake of some sort.

Besides, rape is hardly comparable to lying, though I don’t think it’s as serious as society makes it out to be.

Bad thing about saying if someone says a false rape claim they get raped is:

"Hmm..."

"Johnny Depp raped me!!!"

You are lying. Johnny, sex her.

(quietly) Yes!

her jail sentence should be at least as long as the defendant had to stay in jail.To be fair..I can NOT agree with that..

Because my POV is that Rape should get you either Death-Panalty or Life-in-Jail..
and that is just too much for the "Psyco-bioch".. JMO.

Simonist'] in any case it's a certain percent of what the accused would serve. that looks fair.. something like 20% or 30%??

Bad thing about saying if someone says a false rape claim they get raped is:

"Hmm..."

"Johnny Depp raped me!!!"

You are lying. Johnny, sex her.

(quietly) Yes!LOL..

Johnny Depp would have to buy a lot of Viagra...

that looks fair.. something like 20% or 30%??
I think it's minimum of 25%, and up to 50% if it actually got further into the court proceedings before the lie was discovered.

And I remind you, that's in addition to all the costs she assumes, and the possibility of a lawsuit from the city/county.....

Death Penalty.

Seriously, you need to crack down big time on such lying nutjobs.

Death Penalty.

Seriously, you need to crack down big time on such lying nutjobs.
Okay, all this "lying nutjob" and "psychotic bitch" talk has gotten me thinking....you guys know there's more to perjury in cases of rape than just "This guy's a total prick, I'm gonna claim he raped me and that'll really show him", right? There are so many more things to consider than that -- mistaken identity (happens all the time in the cases of parties or drugged victims, and almost the most common problem in assault cases with no DNA contribution), the "fuzzy" laws (date rape, rape at parties, how drunk is "too drunk" to be considered consensual), statutory rape (many girls will lie about their age and then not get upset until after something happens to them).....

Simonist']Okay, all this "lying nutjob" and "psychotic bitch" talk has gotten me thinking....you guys know there's more to perjury in cases of rape than just "This guy's a total prick, I'm gonna claim he raped me and that'll really show him", right? There are so many more things to consider than that -- mistaken identity (happens all the time in the cases of parties or drugged victims, and almost the most common problem in assault cases with no DNA contribution), the "fuzzy" laws (date rape, rape at parties, how drunk is "too drunk" to be considered consensual), statutory rape (many girls will lie about their age and then not get upset until after something happens to them).....

Heh. Shit happens and people should get over it.

Heh. Shit happens and people should get over it.
Something like that isn't a thing you can just "get over", you know. Unless you're talking about the girls with vendettas, these "psychotic bitches" many of you guys seem to have immediately envisioned, and then yeah, they should let the grudge go.

But when a person, male or female, genuinely feels that they've been taken advantage of, that's not something you can work past with a nap and a long, hot bubble bath.

To be fair..I can NOT agree with that..

Because my POV is that Rape should get you either Death-Panalty or Life-in-Jail..
and that is just too much for the "Psyco-bioch".. JMO.
nooo thats not what i meant

sometimes when a defendant cant afford to post bail, he has to sit in a jail cell for more than a year as he awaits trial. the false accuser's punishment for perjury should include jail time equal to every day the defendant actually had to sit in jail. more if he got unjustly convicted and had to spend time in prison.

Heh. Shit happens and people should get over it.
You're a fucking asshole. Rape is inexcusable, not "shit happens".

Simonist']Okay, all this "lying nutjob" and "psychotic bitch" talk has gotten me thinking....you guys know there's more to perjury in cases of rape than just "This guy's a total prick, I'm gonna claim he raped me and that'll really show him", right? There are so many more things to consider than that -- mistaken identity (happens all the time in the cases of parties or drugged victims, and almost the most common problem in assault cases with no DNA contribution), the "fuzzy" laws (date rape, rape at parties, how drunk is "too drunk" to be considered consensual), statutory rape (many girls will lie about their age and then not get upset until after something happens to them).....
it should only be the penalty if she accused him falsely with malicious intent.

not for mistaken identity, or date rape that he wasnt convicted of or any other way in which she believed the accusation to be true but it either didnt get charged or didnt end in conviction.

it should only be the penalty if she accused him falsely with malicious intent.

not for mistaken identity, or date rape that he wasnt convicted of or any other way in which she believed the accusation to be true but it either didnt get charged or didnt end in conviction.
Well, though it makes me warm and fuzzy inside that somebody got the point, it kinda defeats the warm fuzzy feeling that it was another girl.....I was more targeting the guys who were insinuating that the only cases were of crazy girls who want revenge, but thanks for that anyway.

You're a fucking asshole. Rape is inexcusable, not "shit happens".

Dear sir, I would like it if you kept this unjustified use of profane language to yourself in the future.

Dear sir, I would like it if you kept this unjustified use of profane language to yourself in the future.
Dear sir, I protest that my use of profanity is quite justified, and if you believe it isn't, go and repeat what you said to a rape victim.

Dear sir, I protest that my use of profanity is quite justified, and if you believe it isn't, go and repeat what you said to a rape victim.
He already said it to a rape victim. I chose to ignore him, through a good bit of teeth-grinding.

He's just lucky Smunkee isn't in on this thread, because last time somebody said something along those lines, she went a bit more postal than I had expected from her....

Women who do that are scum, pure and simple.

Being named would be a good punishment for a start. And a mandatory prison sentence would be nice too - a couple of years would do nicely. As far as psychological impact goes, it's probably a crime as bad as what is being alleged.

Dear sir, I protest that my use of profanity is quite justified, and if you believe it isn't, go and repeat what you said to a rape victim.

Simonist']He already said it to a rape victim. I chose to ignore him, through a good bit of teeth-grinding.

He's just lucky Smunkee isn't in on this thread, because last time somebody said something along those lines, she went a bit more postal than I had expected from her....

And it didn't occur to either of you I was just fooling? How amusing.

And it didn't occur to either of you I was just fooling? How amusing.
How would it occur to us? You're a nobody with less than 200 posts. I've certainly never seen you before. And all you said was "Heh. Shit happens and people should get over it", then you DEFENDED yourself.

Doesn't sound like fooling to me.....

Simonist']How would it occur to us? You're a nobody with less than 200 posts.That's racism.

That's racism.
No it's not, it's pointing out that with such a low post count and never having encountered him before, I can't just tell out of a few choice words that he's "fooling".

Simonist']How would it occur to us? You're a nobody with less than 200 posts. I've certainly never seen you before. And all you said was "Heh. Shit happens and people should get over it", then you DEFENDED yourself.

Doesn't sound like fooling to me.....

That's because mediocre minds dismiss anything that reaches beyond their own understanding :rolleyes:

No, you said someone with less than 200 posts is a nobody.

Simonist']No it's not, it's pointing out that with such a low post count and never having encountered him before, I can't just tell out of a few choice words that he's "fooling".

In any case, I was.
So hold your horses and let me buy you a beverage.

No, you said someone with less than 200 posts is a nobody.
Wrong. If I had said "You're a nobody because you have less than 200 posts", you'd have a valid argument. I said he was a nobody that HAD less than 200 posts, though....even if this kid had more than me, he's still a nobody to me; I don't know him, I've never debated him, nobody has ever spoken of him.

I'd go so far as to say that you fit that description entirely, as well, as I don't know you. Care to call that "racism" as well?

Simonist']Wrong. If I had said "You're a nobody because you have less than 200 posts", you'd have a valid argument. I said he was a nobody that HAD less than 200 posts, though....even if this kid had more than me, he's still a nobody to me; I don't know him, I've never debated him, nobody has ever spoken of him.

I'd go so far as to say that you fit that description entirely, as well, as I don't know you. Care to call that "racism" as well?Yes, and you're a nobody too.

Yes, and you're a nobody too.

And you three. And me four. Calling someone a nobody is pointless.

And you three. And me four. Calling someone a nobody is pointless.
Indeed, let's get a cookie.

Indeed, let's get a cookie.

Mmm, what kind?

Simonist']Wrong. If I had said "You're a nobody because you have less than 200 posts", you'd have a valid argument. I said he was a nobody that HAD less than 200 posts, though....even if this kid had more than me, he's still a nobody to me; I don't know him, I've never debated him, nobody has ever spoken of him.

You've never heard of God? :p

Mmm, what kind?a biscuit with some sugar on it.

In principle, the lying woman should either be imprisoned for however long the man would have been had he been found guilty, or he should be allowed to rape her. In practice, however, many women who were genuinely raped would get screwed, so to speak. And this in turn would discourage women from coming forward after being raped, and make it easier to get away with.

A better idea would be to execute rapists who are definitely guilty, and imprison women who definitely lied. I imagine that, with the state of the legal system, this would mean executing large amounts of black people regardless of the evidence.

a biscuit with some sugar on it.

As long as I can substitute honey for sugar. Off we go, love! I'll bake the biscuits.

As long as I can substitute honey for sugar. Off we go, love! I'll bake the biscuits.
Sure:p hhmmmm biscuits:D

One of the worst things about rape is that too many genuine rapes are not reported, and that their seriousness is denigrated by a minority demographic of psychotic women who consider claiming rape against a man to be a legitimate revenge tactic. Even if proven innocent this usually ruins the man's life as he loses his job and friends.

So if a woman claiming rape is proven to be lying, how should she be punished? I think that an effective deterrent would be to punish this variety of perjury with the severity of a punishment for rape. Why? I'm not a legal expert, but it makes sense that the woman should have to go through the punishment which she aimed to put an innocent man through.

As others have pointed out, you have to be careful here because a severe punishment for false claims of rape will lead to fewer rape victims reporting the crimes that have been comitted against them.

Rape is in many cases a difficult crime to prove, and many victims of rape already feel that they aren't being believed or taken seriously. If you add harsh penalties for a fake claim to this, many victims will fear the risk of reporting the crime. Why report it if you risk punishment in the case that you aren't believed?

Now, I'm not saying that there should be no punishment for knowingly making false claims of rape. There most definitely should be. But they should be the same as making false claims of other crimes, in my opinion. Or at least like other kinds of assault.

Simonist']It just seems like the further you go to prevent false claims, the worse you make it on women who've already suffered through the actual act.
Damn it. Life sucks.

Nothing involving criminal law.
Freedom of Speech. It pwns.
Sucks for the guy, but he probably did something to get himself into that situation.

I suppose he should be allowed to sue her for any wages lost and legal fees.
Freedom of speech doesn't extend to slander and it certainly doesn't extend to perjury.

This is even worse than Keruvalia's idea. And he was joking.

anyone who falsely claimed to have been raped should be castrated

anyone who falsely claimed to have been raped should be castrated
I'm struggling to tell if you're being serious or just jesting.

I think it should.
That severely undermines the entire justice system. It renders the whole thing pointless. If people aren't telling the truth, delivering justice would take a hell of a lot longer.

Simonist']No it's not, it's pointing out that with such a low post count and never having encountered him before, I can't just tell out of a few choice words that he's "fooling".
He's trolling.

As others have pointed out, you have to be careful here because a severe punishment for false claims of rape will lead to fewer rape victims reporting the crimes that have been comitted against them.

I didn't think of this.

"How should proven false rape claims be punished?"

She should be locked in an isolated cell with Bruno and three of his friends for a period not to exceed five years. Mwahahaha! [/KIDDING]

I'm struggling to tell if you're being serious or just jesting.
Ill tell you after I get a few more reactions to it

She should be raped. For real this time. By very, very angry men.

What the angry is going on here.....