NationStates Jolt Archive

I was spending my money on needless stuff, namely drinking a little. Then, I realized this: it's the state's money. I've received benefits from the state, gifts from an employee of the state, and wages from a municipality (like a city) and a state-owned corporation. So, there are few drops of non-public money in that alcohol. What the hell am I doing, a liberal, drinking taxed money?

Do you ever feel morally dirty over things like these?

absolutely not

Morals? Nope, doesn't ring a bell.

Amorality uber alles! ;)

Well, unless that money would have been given to someone who needed it more, hell no.

You're probably going to end up tax revenue-flow positive on the transaction if you factor in all of the taxes levied on the product from its initial production to distribution to sale to reinvestment...you did the right thing, it seems.

If this is dirty, then I don't want to be clean.

No, it is not the state's money, it is your wages and your wages are meant to be spent on whatever you want to spend it on. Now, you can feel as guilty as you want for spending your money on liquor when there are people starving in 3rd world countries and sick children and all of that but don't be guilty for the fact that you were spending money that you were given, that is why you have it.

I haven't got any.

Feeling "dirty" when it comes to morals is merely guilt you are conditioned to impose on yourself by whatever religious institution you are unfortunate enough to have fallen victim to.

My advice? Ween yourself off of the spiritual opiate and discover this place I call "reality".

Besides- Immorality is the morality of those who are having more fun.

If we were going to feel guilty about what we spent our money on, we would have to feel that way for the rest of our lives, since the majority of things we buy are absolutely unnecessary. Now, i probably would feel guilty if i didn't donate money to charities or help other people, but i do. If the situations were reversed and we were the poor ones while those in Africa and other third world nations had a high standard of living, they would probably be spending their money on the same mindless things we do. Helping others and doing things for ourselves don't have to be mutually exclusive.

That really doesn't have much to do with the original post i guess...lol.

No, I'm fine with myself and feel no guilt at present.

Your version of the state would outlaw drinking?

Yes, it would, along with smoking and drugs.

Yes, it would, along with smoking and drugs.

I was addressing the OP.

If he/she has no problem with drinking within a socialist government, then he/she should have no problem with drinking on public funds.

Oh, sorry.

I have no morals.

It's like having no clothes on when you roll around in the mud; you don't have to wash anything.

Not only do I enjoy every dollar I get from the State to the fullest (the majority of which is tax I paid and which they give back...:mad: ), but I also do my best to not pay the amount of tax I should by right pay.

Indeed, amorality pays best.

I would feel dirty, except on this continent, privatley owned banks not only print all the money, but they set intrest rates too. How can I be dirty compared to them?

I was spending my money on needless stuff, namely drinking a little. Then, I realized this: it's the state's money. I've received benefits from the state, gifts from an employee of the state, and wages from a municipality (like a city) and a state-owned corporation. So, there are few drops of non-public money in that alcohol. What the hell am I doing, a liberal, drinking taxed money?

Do you ever feel morally dirty over things like these?

Huh? The way this reads, are you a government employee dipping into the til, while collecting welfare and working on the side as a prostitute with a customer base consisting of your boss and the nearest oil company?

If so, my hat's off to you. Get a good lawyer. ;)

I would feel dirty, except on this continent, privatley owned banks not only print all the money, but they set intrest rates too. How can I be dirty compared to them?
Where are you from? South America?

Does that work, private currency printing?

My morals *are* dirty.

Does that count?

no ma'am

No. I don't really receive any benefits (besides government student loans, and subsidised healthcare, if that counts, but I hardly feel guilty over either of those)

Since money, like morality, is a social construct, as long as you bathe regularly, even if you feel dirty, you won't be dirty.

You are experiencing "social guilt".

This is the same phenomenon that various groups use to try to separate you from your money, from the Red Cross to the local charity drives. It's the learned response that, because you've got some, you have an obligation to return something "to the community", that you owe something to society.

In short, it's complete bullshit.

Your money is yours, and unless you stole it, you owe NO ONE and NOTHING for your success. Your wealth is the result of your smarts and labor; you have NOTHING to feel guilty about.

Well, I don't have really subscribe to an existing moral system, but by my own standards, I do feel in some sense dirty because I do not live up to my own values and consistantly fail to reach my goals.

Well, I don't have really subscribe to an existing moral system, but by my own standards, I do feel in some sense dirty because I do not live up to my own values and consistantly fail to reach my goals.

Well since it's your own system, maybe you should lower your standards.

No.