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What makes a whore a whore?

Cabra West
19-03-2006, 00:23
Now, I'm not talking about the profession here. No need to point out that the difference between a whore and a nice girl are 50 bucks, you wisecrackers. :p

No, in the past, some of my friends have been called whores, behind their backs and into their faces, people I don't even know have been refered to as whores, and I've been called one myself on occasion.

So, what constitutes a whore in your opinion? The number of men she - reputedly? - has sex with? Having sex with people she's got no emotional attachment to? Revealing clothes? Aggressive flirting? All of the above?
I'm not adding a poll here because I want a description, not just a vote.
Heron-Marked Warriors
19-03-2006, 00:24
Having sex with someone for the sole intention of material gain.
Argesia
19-03-2006, 00:24
Not being my mother.


Kidding, kidding...
(By which, of course, I don't mean that my mother is)
Fass
19-03-2006, 00:24
I don't judge women in that sense solely based on sexual prowess. It's when goods and services are exchanged for sexual favours that I call people "whores," but that applies to men as well as to women.
CthulhuFhtagn
19-03-2006, 00:25
A whore is someone who leaves their own integrity by the wayside for money. So, under my definition, prostitutes aren't whores, but almost all politicans are.
Neo Kervoskia
19-03-2006, 00:26
A whore is any person that would have sex with me.
Grand Maritoll
19-03-2006, 00:26
The biggest factor for me is one of the things you mentioned, having sex with people with whom one has no emotional attatchment to.

You'll notice, it is just as easy for men to meet my definition of a whore as it is for women.

A synonymous term would be a sex addict.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
19-03-2006, 00:29
So, what constitutes a whore in your opinion? The number of men she - reputedly? - has sex with? Having sex with people she's got no emotional attachment to? Revealing clothes? Aggressive flirting? All of the above?
Well, I have done all of these things some time or another, yet I'm certainly not a whore. And I personally wouldn't call anybody a whore, either.

This is actually hard. I was going to say "If you insist, I'd have to say if she was all of the above, at the same time, all of the time." But that's not true, either. Ah, I don't know.

I'll stick with not calling anybody a whore.
Emperor Matthuis
19-03-2006, 00:31
A whore is any person that would have sex with me.

LOL.

I agree with Heron-Marked Warriors.
Jello Biafra
19-03-2006, 00:31
A whore is somebody who sleeps around who fits one of these two qualifiers:

1) You don't like them.
2) They won't sleep with you, and you're pissed off about it.

(This isn't how I really feel, I wouldn't call somebody a whore, but this seems to be the mindset of people who use the word.)
Grand Maritoll
19-03-2006, 00:31
And I personally wouldn't call anybody a whore, either.

Most people try to avoid calling other people whores... although that doesn't mean that no one thinks other people they know are whores.

Hooray for tactfullness!
Heron-Marked Warriors
19-03-2006, 00:33
I agree with Heron-Marked Warriors.

It's a slippery slope
Grand Maritoll
19-03-2006, 00:34
It's a slippery slope

What is? Agreeing with you?

Hmm... the fact that that is actually what you meant makes the statement much less humorous...

erm...

Death to Xenos!
Czardas
19-03-2006, 00:34
The presence of the correct physical, mental, genetic, and emotional makeups acting in combination with certain enzymes, specifically the hormones and amino acids emphidarsteiamine, thyrifandoendoethylacetate, phenylparadichlorohexoxicarbobenzene, and...


Seriously?... Why bother calling people whores? Given the right definition the same term could apply to all, or at least the vast majority of humanity.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
19-03-2006, 00:35
A whore is somebody who sleeps around who fits one of these two qualifiers:

1) You don't like them.
2) They won't sleep with you, and you're pissed off about it.

(This isn't how I really feel, I wouldn't call somebody a whore, but this seems to be the mindset of people who use the word.)
I think that one is actually the deciding qualifier.

Yep, I agree with Jello.
Heron-Marked Warriors
19-03-2006, 00:35
What is? Agreeing with you?

:p

Yes. You've taken a step on a dangerous path. Are you sure you can handle it?
Czardas
19-03-2006, 00:36
LOL.

I agree with Heron-Marked Warriors.
Try putting the second sentence before the quote then. Otherwise people will think you were referring to Neo-K and said HMW by accident.
Valori
19-03-2006, 00:38
I think it does have a lot to do with the expectation of something in return. I don't just mean money, but when a woman or man sleeps around with somebody in order to gain a "rich lifestyle" or goods I think you become a harlot.

Also, I think when you get to the point that you are sleeping with more people (all different) then you could count on two hands within a month or so you get to be a little harlotish.

Then again, I also think it depends on each situation.
Gartref
19-03-2006, 00:39
What makes a whore a whore?

Bona fide whores have a certain Je ne sais quoi that is unmistakable.
The Half-Hidden
19-03-2006, 00:39
Having sex with someone for the sole intention of material gain.
Yeah. Nothing else. If men are "studs" for being promiscuous then so are women.

A synonymous term would be a sex addict.
Nymphomania/Satyrisis/Hypersexuality
Hispanionla
19-03-2006, 00:42
You can do whatever you want. What other people think of that is their own business, and frankly, unless girl a intentionally slpt with someone to screw up a relationship or something similar, it really isn't anybodies' business at all.

What is a whore? Well, what isn't a whore? By the "normal" defenition, a non-whore is someone who has sex sporadically, for many different motives. The contrary to which would be someone who sleeps around indiscriminately, or with little discrimination.

My defenition is someone who uses their "faculties" to deliberately disturb otherwise peaceable relationships. Whore A thinks Relationship between Jack and Jill is bad, so she fucks Jack with the intention of taking down the relationship.
Muravyets
19-03-2006, 00:57
A whore is someone who leaves their own integrity by the wayside for money. So, under my definition, prostitutes aren't whores, but almost all politicans are.
I agree. Whores are people who sell themselves. It doesn't just have to be sexually. It doesn't just have to be for money, either. It can be for privilege and favors. Whores have no integrity and no courage and will submit to anything to be given something by someone else.
The Half-Hidden
19-03-2006, 00:59
My defenition is someone who uses their "faculties" to deliberately disturb otherwise peaceable relationships. Whore A thinks Relationship between Jack and Jill is bad, so she fucks Jack with the intention of taking down the relationship.
I really hate this one. It implies that Jack (i.e. men) can't say no to some dirty sex, so it was all the evil whoire's fault.:rolleyes:
Hispanionla
19-03-2006, 01:09
Would you say no to dirty sex with a hot whore?
Jello Biafra
19-03-2006, 01:10
Would you say no to dirty sex with a hot whore?If I actually valued my relationship, then yes.
Muravyets
19-03-2006, 01:14
If I actually valued my relationship, then yes.
Well then Jack doesn't value his relationship much, does he? Your whore seems to have done Jill a favor.
Desperate Measures
19-03-2006, 01:20
I really hate this one. It implies that Jack (i.e. men) can't say no to some dirty sex, so it was all the evil whoire's fault.:rolleyes:
Jack is just a male bimbo. A mimbo? Malmbo? Boybo?
Hispanionla
19-03-2006, 01:22
Neither did she forgive him.

At any rate, in this case, the objective of the whore was to ttake down the relationship, so yes, it is her fault.
Jello Biafra
19-03-2006, 01:26
Well then Jack doesn't value his relationship much, does he? Your whore seems to have done Jill a favor.One could make that supposition, yes. Of course, the whore also doesn't value Jack's relationship much, either.

Neither did she forgive him.

At any rate, in this case, the objective of the whore was to ttake down the relationship, so yes, it is her fault.What was Jack's objective if he knew that having sex with the whore would take down his relationship?
Cabra West
19-03-2006, 01:27
Neither did she forgive him.

At any rate, in this case, the objective of the whore was to ttake down the relationship, so yes, it is her fault.

To be honest, I don't think so. She wasn't the one who had any obligations towards the relationship, but Jack did.
If he decides to give in to that kind of temptation, it's his fault and his fault alone.
Blaming her is a bit like blaming the victim of a rape for having "tempted" her rapist.
OceanDrive2
19-03-2006, 01:27
Would you say no to dirty sex with a hot whore?Are you nuts? :D
Good Lifes
19-03-2006, 01:33
So, what constitutes a whore in your opinion? The number of men she - reputedly? - has sex with? Having sex with people she's got no emotional attachment to?
This is a slut not a whore. A whore at least gets paid. That's far more honorable than a slut. Too bad people who use the words don't know the difference.
Khalhazarus
19-03-2006, 01:39
A whore is someone who sleeps with everyone, and a bitch is someone who sleeps with everyone but you...

THANK YOU bash.org
Cameroi
19-03-2006, 01:39
other then greed and the circular illogic of little greeen pieces of paper, there ain't no such thing. capacity is capacity, whether by the thimble full or the bushel basket.

people invent words to be coercive with. this is one of them.

=^^=
.../\...
Saint Curie
19-03-2006, 02:04
In a neighboring county, they have very specific criteria for working at the "whorehouses". Usually a sheriff's card (w/background checks, etc), mandated medical monitoring, on-site security, and a well-defined financial status as an independent contractor.

Unfortunately, because the brothel owner is responsible for compliance, it gives them a disproportionate amount of power over the ladies daily living conditions.

Still, as contractors, the walk can walk any party for whatever reason, and they set their own prices.

As for a woman being called "whore" in most cases, I imagine its just a typical derisive comment, like when men call eachother cocksuckers.
Hispanionla
19-03-2006, 02:07
I thought we were discussing the whore, not Jack.

Fact is, in real life this happens all the time, so it's not like I pulled an extreme worst-case scenario out of my ass.

In any case, that's what I think a whore is. Someone who uses sex as a tool to achieve certain objectives, be it the downfall of a relationship of to get money to eat for a few days.
OceanDrive2
19-03-2006, 02:13
Did your Boyfriend leave you for a prettier girl or something?
Cabra West
19-03-2006, 02:15
Did your Boyfriend leave you for a prettier girl or something?

Oh boy, before anyone gets any stupid ideas ... No

I'm not talking about anyone specific, although I remembered an incident today in which I had been called a whore, and this triggered this thread.
Europa Maxima
19-03-2006, 02:18
I don't judge women in that sense solely based on sexual prowess. It's when goods and services are exchanged for sexual favours that I call people "whores," but that applies to men as well as to women.
Indeed. Pretty much my view on it too. In all other situations it is pretty much redundant and little more than a common, empty-headed insult.
Callisdrun
19-03-2006, 02:18
Generally, I think of whore in terms of "prostitute, she accepts money for sex"

Since you have excluded that definition, I must say, in the insult sense, I'd say it's a person who cheats in a closed relationship, and cheats a lot. I don't use it much in that sense though, since when I hear the word, due to the group of people I hung out with, I think of a woman who gets paid for having sex with people.

Now, of course, if someone has sex with many people but is in an open relationship, that's not cheating, since there's no deception and dishonesty involved and everyone's ok with it, so they are not a whore.
OceanDrive2
19-03-2006, 02:19
Oh boy, before anyone gets any stupid ideas ... No

I'm not talking about anyone specific, although I remembered an incident today in which I had been called a whore, and this triggered this thread.when the other females call you a whore.. usually its because you are the prettier/hotter/younger female. (likely to "steal" their boyfriends)

BTW the question was not for you.. But thank you for playing anyways ;)
Cabra West
19-03-2006, 02:23
when the other females call you a whore.. usually its because you are the prettier/hotter/younger female. (likely to "steal" their boyfriends)

BTW the question was not for you.. But thank you for playing anyways ;)

No, I was in fact called that by a man ;) And no, it was not meant as a compliment.

Well, you didn't quote anybody, and seeing as I was the OP....
OceanDrive2
19-03-2006, 02:25
And no, it was not meant as a compliment.Its never meant as a compliment..
Europa Maxima
19-03-2006, 02:26
No, I was in fact called that by a man ;) And no, it was not meant as a compliment.

Well, you didn't quote anybody, and seeing as I was the OP....
How extremely offensive.
Cabra West
19-03-2006, 02:27
Its never meant as a compliment..

Oh, you never had someone talking dirty to you, then? ;)
OceanDrive2
19-03-2006, 02:31
Oh, you never had someone talking dirty to you, then? ;)oh.. damn.. I forgot about that..

I feel Pwned :D
Keruvalia
19-03-2006, 02:31
What makes a whore a whore?

A weekend with me.
Ashmoria
19-03-2006, 02:36
if a woman is calling another woman a whore its because the "whore" is having sex in circumstances that the "virtuous" woman would reject

if a man is calling a woman a whore its because she isnt a virgin but she wont have sex with him.
OceanDrive2
19-03-2006, 02:39
if a woman is calling another woman a whore its because the "whore" is having sex in circumstances that the "virtuous" woman would reject.There is also the spaniola scenario.

Someone "stealing" your boyfrined (I am assuming you would do it all with your boyfriend)
Unogal
19-03-2006, 02:41
its none of the above
what it is is:

Looking (dressing) like you're willing to have sex with no atatchments, and then having sex with no attatchments
OceanDrive2
19-03-2006, 02:43
its none of the above
what it is is:

Looking (dressing) like you're willing to have sex with no atatchments, and then having sex with no attatchments
interesting..

I am 50% Whore, 50% Polyester.
Europa Maxima
19-03-2006, 02:44
its none of the above
what it is is:

Looking (dressing) like you're willing to have sex with no atatchments, and then having sex with no attatchments
If you're gonna call that kind of a woman a whore, you might as well call a man one as well.
Poliwanacraca
19-03-2006, 02:44
Well, in my direct experience with the term when used unflatteringly, it has apparently meant either (a) "female who is refusing to have sex with me and my drunken friends," (b) "female who has undermined my (theoretical) manhood by being more intelligent than I am," or (c) "female who encouraged my girlfriend to dump me after I cheated on her repeatedly and gave her an STD."

...on second thought, those may be better characterized as experiences in which it was used flatteringly, even if the speakers didn't exactly mean it that way. :p
Europa Maxima
19-03-2006, 02:47
Well, in my direct experience with the term when used unflatteringly, it has meant (a) female who is refusing to have sex with me and my drunken friends, (b) female who has undermined my (theoretical) manhood by being more intelligent than I am, and (c) female who encouraged my girlfriend to dump me after I cheated on her repeatedly and gave her an STD.

...on second thought, those may be better characterized as experiences in which it was used flatteringly, even if the speakers didn't exactly mean it that way. :p
And all they need do is return the compliment to you, to whom it applies oh-so much better. :)
Lord-General Drache
19-03-2006, 03:04
Now, I'm not talking about the profession here. No need to point out that the difference between a whore and a nice girl are 50 bucks, you wisecrackers. :p

No, in the past, some of my friends have been called whores, behind their backs and into their faces, people I don't even know have been refered to as whores, and I've been called one myself on occasion.

So, what constitutes a whore in your opinion? The number of men she - reputedly? - has sex with? Having sex with people she's got no emotional attachment to? Revealing clothes? Aggressive flirting? All of the above?
I'm not adding a poll here because I want a description, not just a vote.

I tend to refrain from calling someone such, because I feel it casts a bad light on prostitutes, and I've no qualms with them. If I do find someone to be promiscuous, it's because they use sex as a means to get attention, or manipulate people, or they simple will have sex at the drop of the hat, with no real standards, whatsoever.
Ilie
19-03-2006, 06:28
Sex has been used for a variety of purposes since the beginning of time. The only reason anybody is ever called a whore is because somebody got upset about it, usually because they're ashamed to face up to their own problems. It's so relative, it's not worth debating.
Callisdrun
19-03-2006, 06:49
Well, in my direct experience with the term when used unflatteringly, it has meant (a) female who is refusing to have sex with me and my drunken friends, (b) female who has undermined my (theoretical) manhood by being more intelligent than I am, and (c) female who encouraged my girlfriend to dump me after I cheated on her repeatedly and gave her an STD.


Your girlfriend should have killed you. With a pickaxe. In your sleep.
Avika
19-03-2006, 06:51
a whore is a woman who lets her urges control her. She sleeps eith multiple men, often in the same few hours. She is a sex addict who probably has every std known to man, plus a few known to monkies. If a woman can't say no to her vagina, then she is a whore. It is an insult used to describe a loathed female.
Gartref
19-03-2006, 06:58
I've been seeing a lot of whore misinformation in this thread, so it's time to set the record straight. Whoring has nothing to do with corporate sell-outs or compromising your principles or any of that abstract stuff - it's all about exchanging sex for cash.

Of course, that's not the whole story either - simply prostituting yourself doesn't necessarily make you a whore. Take the really high-priced prostitutes: you wouldn't call them whores - that would be an insult - they are actually "call girls". The there's the mid-range pros. They are called hookers. Some of them are actually quite nice - I am aware of a few that have hearts of gold. No, the real whores are the low end of the spectrum - the ones that usually are best described as either filthy or dirty. I personally prefer filthy whores to dirty whores - but that's just my taste. Occasionally you'll find a pro who is on the line between whore and hooker. They are usually best described as slinky. If you find a slinky whore, consider yourself lucky - they are a vanishing breed.

Now it's important to differentiate whores from hoes. Hoes are actually a subset of whores and are geographically isolated. They are always the property of a pimp and almost always addicted to drugs. I advise staying away from hoes - unless of course, there is nothing else available. You may want to try monkeyhoes out sometime. I have no experience with them, but if you're interested - Monkeypimp should be able to help you out.

Now there are also whores that don't sell actual sex, but the idea of sex. This can be tricky though, because they are often mistaken for skanks. In fact the two can overlap in some instances and this can cause much confusion. It can be hard to describe in words, so I'll just give you some easy examples:

Britney Spears: Whore
Christine Aguilera: Skank
Courtney Love: Both Whore and Skank.
Pam Anderson: Surprisingly neither - she's just an amazing slut.

Now some of you may think that a woman that marries for money is a whore, but that's not really the case. Those are Gold-Diggers. They are a different breed altogether.

I have really only scratched the surface - for the classification and subgrouping of whores is an enormous subject - but I think I have given you a good start. The rest is up to you to find out. Go forth and learn.
Dakini
19-03-2006, 07:05
Someone's only a whore if they're charging for sexual favours. Directly... none of this "dating is prostitution" crap.

As long as you're protected, nothing wrong with sleeping around, imo.
JRV
19-03-2006, 07:24
I have no use for such words. I refuse to describe anybody as a 'whore'... to me it's just an empty, meaningless slur, with no one true definition.
Harlesburg
19-03-2006, 07:36
The number of men she - reputedly? - has sex with.
Having sex with people she's got no emotional attachment to.
Aggressive flirting with anyone and everyone.
Poon on the first date.
Trash.
Any attraction to H N Fiddlebottoms.

Also a weekend with Keruvalia.
Poliwanacraca
19-03-2006, 08:14
Your girlfriend should have killed you. With a pickaxe. In your sleep.

Heh. I suppose I should have used quotation marks around those definitions. I was the female being so addressed, not the person doing the addressing. (And I completely share your opinion in the case of the third speaker. On the bright side, his girlfriend did up leaving him in a quite public and humiliating way.)
Eutrusca
19-03-2006, 08:21
Now, I'm not talking about the profession here. No need to point out that the difference between a whore and a nice girl are 50 bucks, you wisecrackers. :p

No, in the past, some of my friends have been called whores, behind their backs and into their faces, people I don't even know have been refered to as whores, and I've been called one myself on occasion.

So, what constitutes a whore in your opinion? The number of men she - reputedly? - has sex with? Having sex with people she's got no emotional attachment to? Revealing clothes? Aggressive flirting? All of the above?
I'm not adding a poll here because I want a description, not just a vote.
I never use the word, myself. Any human being is due a degree of respect just because they exist, even ladies of the night. Besides, why would I refer to a woman as a "whore" when many men do the same thing and there's not even a word that fits them properly? "Male whore" just doesn't make it, IMHO. :D
JRV
19-03-2006, 08:33
I never use the word, myself. Any human being is due a degree of respect just because they exist, even ladies of the night. Besides, why would I refer to a woman as a "whore" when many men do the same thing and there's not even a word that fits them properly? "Male whore" just doesn't make it, IMHO. :D

Yeah. I agree with you.
Sdaeriji
19-03-2006, 08:36
For a man, it's a woman who sleeps with other guys but won't sleep with you.

For a woman, it's a woman who sleeps with a guy that you want to sleep with.
Wallonochia
19-03-2006, 08:38
I never use the word, myself. Any human being is due a degree of respect just because they exist, even ladies of the night. Besides, why would I refer to a woman as a "whore" when many men do the same thing and there's not even a word that fits them properly? "Male whore" just doesn't make it, IMHO. :D

Well, I once knew a certain medic who wasn't all too picky about the tail he chased. We called him a "man-whore". But you are right, the word "whore" has very feminine connotations, without a masculine equivalent.
Callisdrun
19-03-2006, 08:38
Heh. I suppose I should have used quotation marks around those definitions. I was the female being so addressed, not the person doing the addressing. (And I completely share your opinion in the case of the third speaker. On the bright side, his girlfriend did up leaving him in a quite public and humiliating way.)

My apologies in that case. I may not have read your post carefully due to the nature of its content. :eek:

It appeared as though you were the male in question, I'm sorry.

I really do hate it when people cheat, though.
Wallonochia
19-03-2006, 08:41
Death to Xenos!

In Nominae Imperator?
Harlesburg
19-03-2006, 08:41
I never use the word, myself. Any human being is due a degree of respect just because they exist, even ladies of the night. Besides, why would I refer to a woman as a "whore" when many men do the same thing and there's not even a word that fits them properly? "Male whore" just doesn't make it, IMHO. :D
Because Women should be Ladies and Males doing such things could be refered to as scum.
Poliwanacraca
19-03-2006, 08:50
My apologies in that case. I may not have read your post carefully due to the nature of its content. :eek:

It appeared as though you were the male in question, I'm sorry.

I really do hate it when people cheat, though.

Apology not necessary - it was an honest misunderstanding. The anonymity of teh intarweb is nice and all, but it does lead to confusion now and then... :p
Thriceaddict
19-03-2006, 08:53
Because Women should be Ladies and Males doing such things could be refered to as scum.
Or just by their name.
Cabra West
19-03-2006, 12:20
I never use the word, myself. Any human being is due a degree of respect just because they exist, even ladies of the night. Besides, why would I refer to a woman as a "whore" when many men do the same thing and there's not even a word that fits them properly? "Male whore" just doesn't make it, IMHO. :D

That would have been my next question actually... why is there no male derogative for the same behaviour?
Neu Leonstein
19-03-2006, 12:24
That would have been my next question actually... why is there no male derogative for the same behaviour?
Well, there is 'stud', which can mean a bad thing when used by non-studs. ;)

But while we're at it with the prostitutes, I thought this story was great. Might even make Eut consider getting some help? :D
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,405903,00.html
Hullepupp
19-03-2006, 12:35
But while we're at it with the prostitutes, I thought this story was great. Might even make Eut consider getting some help? :D
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,405903,00.html

I am also from Bochum, but I do not think that I know her :p
Cabra West
19-03-2006, 12:36
I am also from Bochum, but I do not think that I know her :p

You don't? :eek:
I thought she was taking care of older people now? :p
Hullepupp
19-03-2006, 12:39
You don't? :eek:
I thought she was taking care of older people now? :p
I am not sure..if her room is the 3rd on the right side at the "Eierberg" , than she did a great job to me....
Harlesburg
19-03-2006, 12:54
Or just by their name.
Robert?
Cannot think of a name
19-03-2006, 13:03
I'm certain that this has been said plenty of times, I'll just join the chorus.

A chick who sleeps with everyone but you.

Also probably been said-
A fucked up construct relying on out-moded social models.

Since I'm being repetitive-
Someone who sells out their very nature for fleeting momentary gain. (If Yossarian had said he liked them, he would have been a whore)
BogMarsh
19-03-2006, 16:03
And I'll go contrarian.

A prostitute is one who gets paid and delivers.

A whore is one who (tries) to get paid - but won't deliver.
Muravyets
19-03-2006, 17:44
One could make that supposition, yes. Of course, the whore also doesn't value Jack's relationship much, either.

What was Jack's objective if he knew that having sex with the whore would take down his relationship?
She doesn't have to value a relationship she isn't part of. It's not hers to protect.
Muravyets
19-03-2006, 17:49
To be honest, I don't think so. She wasn't the one who had any obligations towards the relationship, but Jack did.
If he decides to give in to that kind of temptation, it's his fault and his fault alone.
Blaming her is a bit like blaming the victim of a rape for having "tempted" her rapist.
That's not a good comparison because Jack isn't taking anything from the "other woman" that she isn't freely offering.

I think it's more like blaming a company for offering a guy a job while he's still working for another company. Why shouldn't a company try to get a qualified employee? Why shouldn't a woman try to get an attractive man? If Jack is happy and satisfied with Company A/Jill, he's not going to accept an offer from CompanyB/the "other woman." If not, then...
BogMarsh
19-03-2006, 18:19
Well, there is 'stud', which can mean a bad thing when used by non-studs. ;)

But while we're at it with the prostitutes, I thought this story was great. Might even make Eut consider getting some help? :D
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,405903,00.html


30 E, eh? The Free Market Rulez!!!
Muravyets
19-03-2006, 18:24
There seem to be three uses of the word "whore" in this thread.

1. "Whore" as a woman who exchanges sex for money. That's the literal meaning, a synonym for "prostitute." In this sense, "whore" is a job title, and it's technically off-topic because the OP asked for meanings outside of the job title, since "whore" is also used an insult. If you think the word has no meaning outside the job title, then there is no circumstance under which you would use "whore" as an insult because no non-prostitute would qualify as a whore.

2. "Whore" as a person of either sex who either literally or figuratively "sells themselves" for some kind of profit -- money or whatever. This usage implies a willingness to debase themselves as part of the exchange -- i.e. lack of personal integrity, ethics or morals. In this sense, "whore" is an insult against the person's character rather than their actions, and it doesn't really matter what kind of exchange they are debasing themselves for, so it can apply to anyone in any profession. I think this is a legitimate use because, actual whores don't give it away for free, and neither do figurative whores. They are always looking to get something out of it. What makes them whores in this sense is that there is nothing they won't sell to get what they want.

3. "Whore" as a woman who won't give a man what he wants (if the word is used by a man) or who uses sex to compete against other women for men (if the word is used by women who lose the competition). In this sense, "whore" is an insult against women who take control of their own sexuality and use it the way they like for their own ends. It is illustrates why "whore" went from a job title to an insult -- it's not really about the actions but about who is doing them. In this sense, a "whore" is really a woman who will not obey or accommodate others.

This focus on the social role of women is why nowadays people think you can't call a man a "whore." That's not true at all. Real whores/prostitutes can be either male or female and still have the same job title (in English, at least). Neither word implies gender. "Whore" became identified with women only as it was used to insult women for not obeying/submitting to social rules. This is why a friend of mine (a woman) uses "whore" as an affectionate social greeting for other women. We'd meet for lunch and as I entered the restaurant, she'd point at me and shout "WHORE!", and I'd point at her and shout "BITCH!", and then, having announced our credentials as free, strong women who live as we please, we'd air-kiss and sit down to eat. :)

Finally, I think usage #3 is ironic, especially when men use "whore" to describe a woman who won't give them sex for any price. Hm. :rolleyes:
BogMarsh
19-03-2006, 18:32
*giggles*
I suppose there aren't all that many folks here who speak arabic.

For sharmout is the male version of sharmouta - which is indeed the female prostitute.
I'd say that limiting the term whore to females is strictly a cultural thing, happens some places, doesn't happen in other places.

Meanwhile, what makes one sharmout(a) isn't necessarily sex, but rather, relations deemed inappropriate in general.
Being friendly in a good neighbourly way with the wrong people or person can also lead to the allegation of being a sharmout - ask the late King Hussain of Jordania.
Eutrusca
19-03-2006, 18:50
Well, I once knew a certain medic who wasn't all too picky about the tail he chased. We called him a "man-whore". But you are right, the word "whore" has very feminine connotations, without a masculine equivalent.
Exactly. This is a really good illustration of how language influences ( and is influenced by ) perception. Many people believe that men, being men, are going to take sex anytime they can get it, so there's no derogatory term which describes such behavior. Yet, if a woman is percieved as being "too promiscuous," whatever that means, there are lots of derogatory terms to describe her behavior. Structuring the language of sexual promiscuity in this way helps to perpetuate the very perceptions which generated the terminology in the first place.
Muravyets
19-03-2006, 19:12
*giggles*
I suppose there aren't all that many folks here who speak arabic.

For sharmout is the male version of sharmouta - which is indeed the female prostitute.
I'd say that limiting the term whore to females is strictly a cultural thing, happens some places, doesn't happen in other places.

Meanwhile, what makes one sharmout(a) isn't necessarily sex, but rather, relations deemed inappropriate in general.
Being friendly in a good neighbourly way with the wrong people or person can also lead to the allegation of being a sharmout - ask the late King Hussain of Jordania.
Well, then, "sharmout(a)" is the same unisex idea as "whore" except that Arabic uses word-gender and English doesn't. It just goes to show that both men and women can establish relationships that others disapprove of and will insult them for.
Jello Biafra
19-03-2006, 22:28
She doesn't have to value a relationship she isn't part of. It's not hers to protect.She doesn't have to, but she should, especially if she wants people to value her relationships.
Callisdrun
20-03-2006, 03:05
That would have been my next question actually... why is there no male derogative for the same behaviour?

I've called guys sluts a few times. I'll admit that it's usually used against females though. Which is unfortunate. Males can be sluts as easily as females. Unfortunately, attitudes towards them seem to be different for many people.

Another, somewhat off topic question is: Why are the words **** and twat more offensive to some people than cock, dick, and prick?
OceanDrive2
20-03-2006, 05:23
Why are the words **** and twat more offensive to some people than cock, dick, and prick?what does **** and twat means?
Megaloria
20-03-2006, 05:24
Whores give sex for money or favours or the like. Sluts fuck for free.
Muravyets
20-03-2006, 05:49
She doesn't have to, but she should, especially if she wants people to value her relationships.
Maybe that's not an issue for her. What difference does her character make to Jack and Jill's relationship?

Here is my problem with your scenario:

Jack is a person, not an object. She can't just steal him from Jill without his willing participation. Leave this woman aside and look at him for a minute. At what point does he become responsible for saving or breaking his relationship with Jill? At what point does he decide what he will do? Why should this woman be held responsible for what Jack chooses to do? Jack is the one who is cheating on his lover in this scenario, not the woman.

By calling her a whore and blaming her for breaking up the relationship by coming on to Jack, you are saying that Jack has no responsibility for his relationship or his own actions regarding it. You are saying that the woman is to blame for being sexually competitive and forward, but Jack is not to blame for cheating on Jill.

From another point of view, you may even be saying that Jack, as a man, cannot be expected to control himself sexually, and that every woman he meets is therefore responsible for making sure he doesn't sleep around. I'm sure you can imagine all the horrible, real life situations this kind of very common thinking gets us into. For instance, did you know that, according to a recent research survey about sex attitudes, more than half of all American men think that if a woman smiles at a man it means she wants to have sex with him? Makes it kind of hard to avoid getting called a whore, doesn't it?
Muravyets
20-03-2006, 05:52
I've called guys sluts a few times. I'll admit that it's usually used against females though. Which is unfortunate. Males can be sluts as easily as females. Unfortunately, attitudes towards them seem to be different for many people.

Another, somewhat off topic question is: Why are the words **** and twat more offensive to some people than cock, dick, and prick?
Blame Freud. ;)
Megaloria
20-03-2006, 05:55
Blame Freud. ;)

cock, dick and prick have non-offensive meanings as well.
Muravyets
20-03-2006, 06:04
cock, dick and prick have non-offensive meanings as well.
See? Freudian hang-up. You're automatically assuming that references to genitalia are offensive. ;)
The-Choir
20-03-2006, 06:12
A whore to me is a person who sells out their values for money. For example, many musicians call themselves whores 'cause they play stuff for money that they hate and do it with a big smile on their face. Get the connection?
The Half-Hidden
21-03-2006, 19:40
Would you say no to dirty sex with a hot whore?
Yes. Whores tend to have STDs, and that's not worth momentary pleasure.

Neither did she forgive him.

At any rate, in this case, the objective of the whore was to ttake down the relationship, so yes, it is her fault.
Jack could have said no. He's equally to blame.
Pantygraigwen
21-03-2006, 19:45
Now, I'm not talking about the profession here. No need to point out that the difference between a whore and a nice girl are 50 bucks, you wisecrackers. :p

No, in the past, some of my friends have been called whores, behind their backs and into their faces, people I don't even know have been refered to as whores, and I've been called one myself on occasion.

So, what constitutes a whore in your opinion? The number of men she - reputedly? - has sex with? Having sex with people she's got no emotional attachment to? Revealing clothes? Aggressive flirting? All of the above?
I'm not adding a poll here because I want a description, not just a vote.

Technique. Not sexual technique, but the way she treats people. Basically, selfish, feckless, lying, duplicitous and always ready with a justification that casts her in the best light and the victim in the worst.

Thats been the description of the only woman i've ever used the word about anyway. Went out with her for 9 months as well.
Europa Maxima
21-03-2006, 19:47
Technique. Not sexual technique, but the way she treats people. Basically, selfish, feckless, lying, duplicitous and always ready with a justification that casts her in the best light and the victim in the worst.

Thats been the description of the only woman i've ever used the word about anyway. Went out with her for 9 months as well.
So is a man who conducts himself in this manner also gonna get called a whore? Otherwise we're talking double standards.
Jello Biafra
21-03-2006, 19:49
Maybe that's not an issue for her. What difference does her character make to Jack and Jill's relationship?

Here is my problem with your scenario:

Jack is a person, not an object. She can't just steal him from Jill without his willing participation. Leave this woman aside and look at him for a minute. At what point does he become responsible for saving or breaking his relationship with Jill? At what point does he decide what he will do? Why should this woman be held responsible for what Jack chooses to do? Jack is the one who is cheating on his lover in this scenario, not the woman.

By calling her a whore and blaming her for breaking up the relationship by coming on to Jack, you are saying that Jack has no responsibility for his relationship or his own actions regarding it. You are saying that the woman is to blame for being sexually competitive and forward, but Jack is not to blame for cheating on Jill.

From another point of view, you may even be saying that Jack, as a man, cannot be expected to control himself sexually, and that every woman he meets is therefore responsible for making sure he doesn't sleep around. I'm sure you can imagine all the horrible, real life situations this kind of very common thinking gets us into. For instance, did you know that, according to a recent research survey about sex attitudes, more than half of all American men think that if a woman smiles at a man it means she wants to have sex with him? Makes it kind of hard to avoid getting called a whore, doesn't it?Ah, I see, you got me confused with the other guy. I was arguing against the "whore" being a "whore, however her actions were nonetheless reprehensible. Jack's actions were even more reprehensible though, and he bears the whole responsibility for the break up of the relationship from an objective standpoint. However, from Jill's standpoint, the "whore" is also blameworthy, and so I said that if the "whore" wants people to respect her relationships, then she should respect the relationships of other people.
Pantygraigwen
21-03-2006, 19:54
So is a man who conducts himself in this manner also gonna get called a whore? Otherwise we're talking double standards.

Well, yes. However, those affecting me in the way they did would only come out in a sexual relationship, and i've only ever had them with women. But, yeah, agreed.
Muravyets
22-03-2006, 00:29
Ah, I see, you got me confused with the other guy. I was arguing against the "whore" being a "whore, however her actions were nonetheless reprehensible. Jack's actions were even more reprehensible though, and he bears the whole responsibility for the break up of the relationship from an objective standpoint. However, from Jill's standpoint, the "whore" is also blameworthy, and so I said that if the "whore" wants people to respect her relationships, then she should respect the relationships of other people.
Yeah, I realized the mistaken identity when I read later posts. I'm sorry.

I partially agree with you but partially don't. For her own well-being, she'd do better to treat others the way she wants them to treat her, but as far as Jack and Jill's relationship goes, her attitudes are irrelevant, since she's not kidnapping Jack. Jill can blame the "whore" all she likes, but she's the one who failed to hold Jack's interest -- or she failed to see that Jack was a guy not worth keeping in the first place. As you pointed out, I think blaming the "other woman" is just a way for Jack and Jill both to avoid their own responsibility.

I also think the double standard in blaming the woman but not blaming Jack -- and especially in using the loaded word "whore" -- is important to discuss. I hope the creator of the scenario picks up on this.
Jello Biafra
22-03-2006, 19:37
Yeah, I realized the mistaken identity when I read later posts. I'm sorry. Not a problem. :)

I partially agree with you but partially don't. For her own well-being, she'd do better to treat others the way she wants them to treat her, but as far as Jack and Jill's relationship goes, her attitudes are irrelevant, since she's not kidnapping Jack. Jill can blame the "whore" all she likes, but she's the one who failed to hold Jack's interest -- or she failed to see that Jack was a guy not worth keeping in the first place. As you pointed out, I think blaming the "other woman" is just a way for Jack and Jill both to avoid their own responsibility.I don't see how the "whore"s attitude is irrelevant if she deliberately tried to destro Jack and Jill's relationship; she caused emotional harm that that's something that Jill should be concerned with.

I also think the double standard in blaming the woman but not blaming Jack -- and especially in using the loaded word "whore" -- is important to discuss. I hope the creator of the scenario picks up on this.I hope so, too, I don't understand the purpose of using that word to describe it.