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Although, I hate to politicize Saint Patrick's Day, I'm gonna anyways.

UNIONISTS DISARM

Listen you fucking unionist douchebags, the IRA has been disarmed for about half a year. Yet, I don't see your fucking paramilitaries laying down their arms. The Sinn Fein and their military wing, the IRA have finally shown they are all ready to move on. Yet, you sit there like whiny children and haven't disamred. You march down to Dublin earlier this month and provoke the Republician Sinn Fein (not releated to Sinn Fein) and spark a riot. That march wasn't about victims rights, it was just a hidden attempt to provoke republicans. And it worked. I mean there were DUP and UUP politicans marching in that parade, so of course, It seems pretty damn clear to me it was a provocation.

Also, this group, FAIR, claims to represent all the vicitims of the Troubles, huh, well what about all the fucking Catholics killed by the British and their loyalist collabrators? What about Bloody Sunday? They still haven't solved that.

Also, what is fucking ironic is how religion plays into this. It's Catholic and Protestant. CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS ARE PART OF THE SAME FUCKING BIG RELIGION AND HERE YOU ARE FIGHTING AMONGST EACH OTHER. Ian Paisley is a fucking bigot, and is as bad as Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jack Chick or Fred Phelps. However, unlike Robertson (who tried to run for President in '88) Paisley has been able to gain power and push around his bigoted policies. The song Sunday Bloody Sunday mentions the line "to claim the victory Jesus won." When the fuck are we gonna work together to achieve that fucking end, for Christ's sake.

However, I'm not going to contain all my rage to just the Unionists. I have some Republicans to criticize. First off, the Contiunity IRA and Real IRA should also lay down their arms, however, that's not gonna happen anytime soon. Also, the Republican Sinn Fein shouldn't have rioted against the Garda. That's not the fucking smartest thing to do. The Provos should have laid down their arms fucking soon, so a fucking innocent Catholic man wouldn't have been killed by some fucking drunk Provos.

Speaking of that, this Saint Patrick's Day last year, the sisters of Robert McCartney came to American met with our President, George W. Bush and also met with Senators. However, what happened then? Where's the American response to this? If this is a so-called "War on Terrorism", how come neither American or British goverments are doing anything to stop terrorists groups in Northern Ireland. Sure they may be all on cease-fire but still, you should go after them, even if they are on cease fire.

Anyways, most Irish and British people will tell me to shut up you fucking Irish-American mick and their most likely fucking right, but I don't give a fuck. I needed to get that off my chest.

It doesn't matter if they disarm or not, because they're so incompetent that they'd accidentally shoot themselves if they tried anything.

You lose through making the mistake of attacking unionists rather than loyalists and then going on to attack the republicans (and not nationalists).

Yes, there is a big difference between unionist and loyalist; just as there is between nationalist and republican.

So by blaming the 'political', peaceful, side of the unionist movement for the actions of the loyalists while not blaming the nationalists for the actions of the republicans...you have just insulted the unionists that try and maintain the union through political means.

Congratulations.

I would have a go at the rest of the point, but frankly you don't deserve it.

The Provos should have laid down their arms fucking soon, so a fucking innocent Catholic man wouldn't have been killed by some fucking drunk Provos.

So, you single this out for condemnation, but not the roughly 1800 other people they have killed?

Did you just quote U2 in your rant?

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I've just been looking for a chance to use that smilie. Pay it no mind.

P.S: Doesn't it remind you a bit of Eutrusca? :)

You think we haven't been trying? These chavvy dipshits that call themselves paramilitaries pay attention to nobody! They're working class scum that abuse the political climate to cause as much physical and social damage to the world around them as possible just because they're too damned lazy to get a fucking education, get a decent job and to actually do a day's work for once in their miserable goddamned lives.

Fuck democracy. Northern Ireland needs some goddamned discipline, and I'm talking full-on Joseph Stalin-esque repression here.

Fuck democracy. Northern Ireland needs some goddamned discipline, and I'm talking full-on Joseph Stalin-esque repression here.

Yeah, attempting to keep the peace in Northern Ireland by force of arms was a resounding success over the last thirty+ years, wasn't it?


EDIT: ...or possibly you just meant that we should launch a pogrom against the Jews of Ulster.

Yeah, attempting to keep the peace in Northern Ireland by force of arms was a resounding success over the last thirty+ years, wasn't it?

yeah, but this time there will be gulag-style camps in the middle of, um, australia. and if that doesn't work then it'll be pol pot time!

yeah, but this time there will be gulag-style camps in the middle of, um, australia.

Ah, right, I get you - the solution is to put them all on an island and let them fight it out amongst themselves.

I don't have a fucking clue what this about?

Did you just quote U2 in your rant?

Yes, I did. And I know he doesn't like "Irish-Americans who haven't been back to their country in 20 or 30 years come up to him and talk about the resistance, the revolution and glory of dying for the revolution, the glory of killing for the revolution, Fuck the revolution."

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I've just been looking for a chance to use that smilie. Pay it no mind.

P.S: Doesn't it remind you a bit of Eutrusca? :)

I suppose it does. I don't hang out on the forums much though I've heard of Eutrusca.

Ah, what the hell...

Although, I hate to politicize Saint Patrick's Day
Don't worry, we've been doing it for years.

Listen you fucking unionist douchebags, the IRA has been disarmed for about half a year.
One of the several IRAs has been 'disarmed' for a few months. And Unionsts have always been disarmed. Unionist =/= loyalist.

independent monitering commission Yet, I don't see your fucking paramilitaries laying down their arms.

The first act of decomissioning after the Belfast Agreement was done by the LVF, on the 18th of December 1998. So that's a start, at least.

The Sinn Fein and their military wing, the IRA have finally shown they are all ready to move on. Yet, you sit there like whiny children and haven't disamred.

See, there's the crunch. Sinn Fein are the only major political party to have a military wing. Neither the DUP, UUP, nor the SDLP, maintain paramilitary forces. That's why IRA decommissining is a much bigger deal.

You march down to Dublin earlier this month and provoke the Republician Sinn Fein (not releated to Sinn Fein) and spark a riot.
Who? The paramilitaries? Nah, that was Love Ulster. Some of its members may very well be paramilitaries, but it is not a paramilitary group itself. As for Republican Sinn Fein...they had to go out of their way to be "provoke".

That march wasn't about victims rights, it was just a hidden attempt to provoke republicans. And it worked. I mean there were DUP and UUP politicans marching in that parade, so of course, It seems pretty damn clear to me it was a provocation.

There is no evidence of any DUP or UUP politicians (and by that I mean elected to a position beyond a local council) in the march. In fact, the claim to be a victims march is very much supported by the fact that a large number of victims and families of victims of the IRA campaign were present in the march.

Also, this group, FAIR, claims to represent all the vicitims of the Troubles, huh, well what about all the fucking Catholics killed by the British and their loyalist collabrators? What about Bloody Sunday? They still haven't solved that.
Nope, the claim to represent RUC/UDR/RIR victims of terrorists in South Armagh. Nothing more, nothing less. To claimsay that they claim "to represent all the vicitims of the Troubles" is a gross misrepresentation of their position and aims.

Also, what is fucking ironic is how religion plays into this. It's Catholic and Protestant. CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS ARE PART OF THE SAME FUCKING BIG RELIGION AND HERE YOU ARE FIGHTING AMONGST EACH OTHER. Ian Paisley is a fucking bigot, and is as bad as Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jack Chick or Fred Phelps. However, unlike Robertson (who tried to run for President in '88) Paisley has been able to gain power and push around his bigoted policies. The song Sunday Bloody Sunday mentions the line "to claim the victory Jesus won." When the fuck are we gonna work together to achieve that fucking end, for Christ's sake.

The NI conflict really has very little to do with religion, even if that's how it tends to manifest itself.

Unionist =/= Protestant
Nationalist =/= Catholic.

In fact, the Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey (http://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2004/Political_Attitudes/NIRELAND.html) suggests that only 47% of Catholics would want to see a united Ireland.

However, I'm not going to contain all my rage to just the Unionists. I have some Republicans to criticize. First off, the Contiunity IRA and Real IRA should also lay down their arms, however, that's not gonna happen anytime soon. Also, the Republican Sinn Fein shouldn't have rioted against the Garda. That's not the fucking smartest thing to do. The Provos should have laid down their arms fucking soon, so a fucking innocent Catholic man wouldn't have been killed by some fucking drunk Provos.

He probably wasn't innocent. That's the thing about Northern Ireland, when something like that happens there is always an underlying reason. For example, the friend of McCartney's who was also stabbed was later sentenced to 87 years in prison for armed robbery.

Speaking of that, this Saint Patrick's Day last year, the sisters of Robert McCartney came to American met with our President, George W. Bush and also met with Senators. However, what happened then? Where's the American response to this? If this is a so-called "War on Terrorism", how come neither American or British goverments are doing anything to stop terrorists groups in Northern Ireland. Sure they may be all on cease-fire but still, you should go after them, even if they are on cease fire.

Nah, the British government prefers to pardon them. Well, it planned to until it realised Sinn Fein wouldn't let them extend the pardon to security forces.

So...Sinn Fein wanted them to pardon IRA on the runs, but nobody else. What a surprise.

And the IRA wasn't prepared to 'allow' back people it had chased out of NI.

Anyways, most Irish and British people will tell me to shut up you fucking Irish-American mick and their most likely fucking right, but I don't give a fuck. I needed to get that off my chest.
Er, yup.

Ok.. yeah. I got my ass kicked there.

Thank you.

*concedes*

Now, I'll sit just back and watch the people on the fringes argue.

But this will come back and haunt me in about 20 years or so if I run for public office.

I don't have a fucking clue what this about?
Yeah.. that shoulda said what this is about. I typed too fast and didn't notice it till after I started the poll.

Although, I hate to politicize Saint Patrick's Day, I'm gonna anyways.

UNIONISTS DISARM

Listen you fucking unionist douchebags, the IRA has been disarmed for about half a year. Yet, I don't see your fucking paramilitaries laying down their arms. The Sinn Fein and their military wing, the IRA have finally shown they are all ready to move on. Yet, you sit there like whiny children and haven't disamred. You march down to Dublin earlier this month and provoke the Republician Sinn Fein (not releated to Sinn Fein) and spark a riot. That march wasn't about victims rights, it was just a hidden attempt to provoke republicans. And it worked. I mean there were DUP and UUP politicans marching in that parade, so of course, It seems pretty damn clear to me it was a provocation.

Also, this group, FAIR, claims to represent all the vicitims of the Troubles, huh, well what about all the fucking Catholics killed by the British and their loyalist collabrators? What about Bloody Sunday? They still haven't solved that.

Also, what is fucking ironic is how religion plays into this. It's Catholic and Protestant. CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS ARE PART OF THE SAME FUCKING BIG RELIGION AND HERE YOU ARE FIGHTING AMONGST EACH OTHER. Ian Paisley is a fucking bigot, and is as bad as Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jack Chick or Fred Phelps. However, unlike Robertson (who tried to run for President in '88) Paisley has been able to gain power and push around his bigoted policies. The song Sunday Bloody Sunday mentions the line "to claim the victory Jesus won." When the fuck are we gonna work together to achieve that fucking end, for Christ's sake.

However, I'm not going to contain all my rage to just the Unionists. I have some Republicans to criticize. First off, the Contiunity IRA and Real IRA should also lay down their arms, however, that's not gonna happen anytime soon. Also, the Republican Sinn Fein shouldn't have rioted against the Garda. That's not the fucking smartest thing to do. The Provos should have laid down their arms fucking soon, so a fucking innocent Catholic man wouldn't have been killed by some fucking drunk Provos.

Speaking of that, this Saint Patrick's Day last year, the sisters of Robert McCartney came to American met with our President, George W. Bush and also met with Senators. However, what happened then? Where's the American response to this? If this is a so-called "War on Terrorism", how come neither American or British goverments are doing anything to stop terrorists groups in Northern Ireland. Sure they may be all on cease-fire but still, you should go after them, even if they are on cease fire.

Anyways, most Irish and British people will tell me to shut up you fucking Irish-American mick and their most likely fucking right, but I don't give a fuck. I needed to get that off my chest.


Drunk yet?

Yeah, attempting to keep the peace in Northern Ireland by force of arms was a resounding success over the last thirty+ years, wasn't it?

EDIT: ...or possibly you just meant that we should launch a pogrom against the Jews of Ulster.
Democracy in the last seven years has been a similar success.

You know why things are going so badly?

Paramilitaries don't fucking want peace.

"Excuse me, do you guys think you could knock off the drug-running and cross-community slaughter please? 'cause, you know, we don't like it."

No amount of diplomacy is going to persuade these gang-lords to give up their (not so) vast and bountiful empires. I doubt that little short of foreign policing will manage that. Everyone locally belongs to a community, and with that comes bias and a tendency to turn a blind eye.

Ah, right, I get you - the solution is to put them all on an island and let them fight it out amongst themselves.

No, the solution is simple...

Move the Jews from Israel to Northern Ireland. Move the Unionists to Israel. Paisleys happy because he's in gods own land. The Palestinians can bomb shit out of them and they are used to it. Meanwhile, Gerry Adams gets a bagel habit, and the newly settled Israeli/Norn Ironers rebuild the economy. Sorted. Everyone happy.

Except maybe the Druze in Lebanon, but i'm working on a swap involving them and the Welsh Language activists in North Wales, i'll get back to you on that.

What you need is more whiskey.

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My better judgement tells me not to feed your views. I totally disagree, and would like to know what you think to the IRA still having secret caches. Personally I think we should keep our guns. We'll control and protect OUR territory, and you can do whatever you want with yours.
Ther thing tha disgust me is that the IRA has been supplied with OUR governments money, and any pro-IRA MP's for northern Ireland have been suspended but still receive their payment.

Why will the Irish not recognize our territory? If it's accepted on maps and globes all over the world as undisputed territory then there is no need to start a guerilla war over it.

Respect our Svereignity and We'll Respect yours.

Respect our Svereignity and We'll Respect yours.
The Irish Republic dropped all claims to NI some 8 years ago...you're a bit behind the times.

The Irish Republic dropped all claims to NI some 8 years ago...you're a bit behind the times.

I do like the whole Unionist stance, it's so backward looking (given both NI and Eire have given up - willingly - large chunks of their sovereignty in return for huge swathes of EU cash) and - at many times in it's history - completely illogical. I think the perfect example of this was the moment right on the verge of WWI when the Unionist militias were negotiating to buy arms from the German Government to fight any British troops who tried to force them out of the British nation.

Just look at that sentence again and realise the mindboggling stupidity of it all.

At least that example makes some kind of sense. Fighting to remain in the union etc.

Most of unionism as put forward by the main parties doesn't, really, make much sense.

At least that example makes some kind of sense. Fighting to remain in the union etc.

Most of unionism as put forward by the main parties doesn't, really, make much sense.

Well, yes and no. "I am so loyal to my country, that i shall buy arms off a country that my country is RIGHT on the verge of going to war with and use them to shoot the soldiers of my country to stay part of my country". I mean, thats so convolutedly fucked up it has it's own beauty.

Although, to be fair to modern Unionism, that was 92 years ago, so it really has little bearing on the stance of, say, the UUP :p

My better judgement tells me not to feed your views. I totally disagree, and would like to know what you think to the IRA still having secret caches. You disagree that terrorist organisations should disarm.

(yes I know he said unionists but he meant loyalists)


Personally I think we should keep our guns. We'll control and protect OUR territory, and you can do whatever you want with yours.
Ther thing tha disgust me is that the IRA has been supplied with OUR governments money, and any pro-IRA MP's for northern Ireland have been suspended but still receive their payment.
It's so they don't resort to violence, if they have a political voice the ones that actually care for the people who elected them don't support the other maniacs.
You say "our guns" so you are a loyalist terrorist then? The British army is still in NI protecting both sides.

Why will the Irish not recognize our territory? If it's accepted on maps and globes all over the world as undisputed territory then there is no need to start a guerilla war over it.

Respect our Svereignity and We'll Respect yours.
well if the cartographers say so then there's no dispute! :rolleyes:

The British army is still in NI protecting both sides.

Should that not be "in NI "protecting both sides""? ;)

The British army is still in NI protecting both sides.

They are? Wow. I always thought that they were in Northern Ireland as a handy camouflage for the mess made by the Unionist state generations ago, and helpfully still keeping the same class in power now. Live and learn.

*sarcasm mode off*

Should that not be "protecting both sides"? ;)
Well this guy is supporting terrorists, whatever chance I have of convincing him that's wrong I'll have none telling him that British army aren't always perfect.:(

EDIT:

They are? Wow. I always thought that they were in Northern Ireland as a handy camouflage for the mess made by the Unionist state generations ago, and helpfully still keeping the same class in power now. Live and learn.

*sarcasm mode off*
Have I suddenly turned into a representive of every republican view in Ireland? Or what's with the sarcasm?

Now, I don't mean to hijack your post but I have a rant of my own.. What happened is I ordered a pizza and when it arrived those bloody pizza dudes hadn't even cut it! I don't have on of them cool pizza cutting disk things or a pizza laser so I had to grab a knife and cut it myself! Can you believe that!? Sorry, I just didn't think it was worthy of it's own thread..

Have I suddenly turned into a representive of every republican view in Ireland? Or what's with the sarcasm?

Nah, my sarcasm was aimed at the concept of the British Army being in Northern Ireland to protect both sides, not you per se.

Now, I don't mean to hijack your post but I have a rant of my own.. What happened is I ordered a pizza and when it arrived those bloody pizza dudes hadn't even cut it! I don't have on of them cool pizza cutting disk things or a pizza laser so I had to grab a knife and cut it myself! Can you believe that!? Sorry, I just didn't think it was worthy of it's own thread..

That's happened to me before. Fortunately, I keep a pizza laser for just such an emergency. ;)

Now, I don't mean to hijack your post but I have a rant of my own.. What happened is I ordered a pizza and when it arrived those bloody pizza dudes hadn't even cut it! I don't have on of them cool pizza cutting disk things or a pizza laser so I had to grab a knife and cut it myself! Can you believe that!? Sorry, I just didn't think it was worthy of it's own thread..
MY GOD! It puts it all into perspective! They, they! They didn't cut the pizza for you!? You could have been killed trying to cut it! Did you pay for this abomination!?

MY GOD! It puts it all into perspective! They, they! They didn't cut the pizza for you!? You could have been killed trying to cut it! Did you pay for this abomination!?

Goddamn it. I blame De Valera.

Nah, my sarcasm was aimed at the concept of the British Army being in Northern Ireland to protect both sides, not you per se.
Well it's the intention that counts...











...No, wait that's not right. Good intentions pave the way to hell...

Well it's the intention that counts...











...No, wait that's not right. Good intentions pave the way to hell...

According to Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, the road to hell is paved with the frozen souls of timeshare salesmen. And on Saturdays, the demons go skating.

:)

That's happened to me before. Fortunately, I keep a pizza laser for just such an emergency. ;)
Yeah? They're a bit pricey though and considering where I buy my pizza's there's always the danger of the laser reflecting of the layer of grease and scorching the ceiling..

MY GOD! It puts it all into perspective! They, they! They didn't cut the pizza for you!? You could have been killed trying to cut it! Did you pay for this abomination!?
No the bastards drove off before I had a chance to complain about it.. Bastards!

According to Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, the road to hell is paved with the frozen souls of timeshare salesmen. And on Saturdays, the demons go skating.

:)
Hmm makes sense. I don't think you can pave something with intentions, because I tried and it didn't work.

Hmm makes sense. I don't think you can pave something with intentions, because I tried and it didn't work.

Nah, you got it wrong there mate. You don't use intentions, good or otherwise. Gravel chippings and marble slabs, that what you need. Gawd, who put this one down? Right cowboy 'e was. Indian was 'e, or a Mick? You can never trust them bleeders. We should just let them carry on killing each other, know warrimean? Don't worry mate, i'm not a racialist or anyfink, like. Just don't like Micks. Or the French. Yeah, it'll cost ya mind. £4000 i'd say. And we'd have to send for the materials, and you'd have to pay for 'em seperately. Probably get 'em from Rangoon. Them Rangeenie fellas know 'ow to make a good slab, i'll give 'em that.

Oh, do excuse me dear boy, i don't know what came over me, i just momentarily morphed into a stereotypical Essex builder. Better now, took my medication.

Democracy in the last seven years has been a similar success.


Aside from the fact that for the vast majority of that time it has been nothing like democracy (ie. it has instead been direct rule from Westminster), yes, it has actually. Need I trot out year-on-year death tolls comparing it to pre-Ceasefire periods to make the point?

No, the solution is simple...

Move the Jews from Israel to Northern Ireland. Move the Unionists to Israel. Paisleys happy because he's in gods own land. The Palestinians can bomb shit out of them and they are used to it. Meanwhile, Gerry Adams gets a bagel habit, and the newly settled Israeli/Norn Ironers rebuild the economy. Sorted. Everyone happy.

Except maybe the Druze in Lebanon, but i'm working on a swap involving them and the Welsh Language activists in North Wales, i'll get back to you on that.

It's practically improbable, but hey, I like it.. it's not as dumb as the plan to make Israel and Palenstine into the 51st and 52nd states of the US.

And there goes another St. Patty's Day down the crapper...too bad I was sobber this time...

The end.