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Just noticed something interesting in Episode II. Some guy just said that there were no full scale wars since the founding of the Republic. What about the Mandalorian War, or that one in KotOR?

>_>

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This is an outrage!

Just noticed something interesting in Episode II. Some guy just said that there were no full scale wars since the founding of the Republic. What about the Mandalorian War, or that one in KotOR?

>_>


Who was it that said it?

Who was it that said it?

Some dude on Naboo, when Padme suggested that civil war might break out.

Some dude on Naboo, when Padme suggested that civil war might break out.


Hmm.

Perhaps hes an idiot?

Well, whatever Lucas says, takes precedence over what any other writers say.

So sayeth the Lucas.

Wait.

I have it...

"Full-scale" war.

Perhaps he meant an inter-planetary, or conflict that involved more than one planetary system?

Perhaps the Mandalorian War, took place on one planet, and therefore doesnt fit the qualifications of "full-scale", however this fool was interpereting that to be.

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This is an outrage!
:D

Just noticed something interesting in Episode II. Some guy just said that there were no full scale wars since the founding of the Republic. What about the Mandalorian War, or that one in KotOR?

Psst! It's not real, you know.

Hmm.

Perhaps hes an idiot?

Well, whatever Lucas says, takes precedence over what any other writers say.

So sayeth the Lucas.

Lucas is a dick though. I'd go as far as to say that the KotOR series is superior to the prequel trilogy.

Lucas is a dick though. I'd go as far as to say that the KotOR series is superior to the prequel trilogy.

If you didnt include the third installation, i'd agree, but Episode III was pretty good, with just a couple of things that bothered me.

Lucas is a dick though. I'd go as far as to say that the KotOR series is superior to the prequel trilogy.
I agree, lucas sold out and forfeited his rights

:D



Psst! It's not real, you know.
Shhh! It's only a model ...

Just noticed something interesting in Episode II. Some guy just said that there were no full scale wars since the founding of the Republic. What about the Mandalorian War, or that one in KotOR?

>_>
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OH FOR THE LOVE OF...

http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWCanon2.html

Read that. Please.

The KoTOR series is superior to the Star Wars episodes 1-3 except for the endings in KOTOR II(man talk about an unfinished product :mad: )

One of the twenty storm troopers managed to shoot Han Solo, causing him to die.

Hey look, the films collide with my fanfic too!

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OH FOR THE LOVE OF...

http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWCanon2.html

Read that. Please.

Dear God, not that guy

You realize he argued that SW humans naturally developed with metal bits in their spines just to try & not lose a debate?

Here's SW canon
Are the entries in the Holocron sorted as cannonical & non-cannonical? Are there various degress of oficialness?

The database does indeed have a canon field. Anything in the films and from George Lucas (including unpublished internal notes that we might receive from him or from the film production department) is considered "G" canon. Next we have what we call continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else. There is secondary "S" continuity canon which we use for some older published materials and things that may or may not fit just right. But, if it is referenced in something else it becomes "C". Similarly, any "C" canon item that makes it into the films can become "G" canon. Lastly there is non-continuity "N" which we rarely use except in the case of a blatant contradiction or for things that have been cut.

I will not go into specifics as to what is considered "S" canon or what items that are seemingly "C" canon are actually "G" canon.

Okay, I know that the novels are C-level, and I assume that most of the newer comics are also C-level. Where on the continuity spectrum to the Video games come in?

"...continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else. " By everything else I mean EVERYthing else. Novels, comics, junior novels, videogames, trading card games, roleplaying games, toys, websites, television. As I've mentioned earlier, any contradictions that arise are dealt on a case-by-case. This has been our general approach to continuity since we began using the Holocron database to track it.

In a nutshell, anything created by the author would be C-level. Anything in the the novels created by George Lucas (whether it comes from unpublished early script versions, unpublished author interviews with George, or George's revisions to the novelization manuscript) would be G-level unless contradicted by the films.

It gets a little more complicated when something is seen on-screen but not named. So the "shuura fruit" mentioned in the AOTC novel would be G because you see it in the film, although the author came up with the name.

Is there anything post-Return of the Jedi that is G level?

Not in the database, no. If there is anything anywhere, only George knows.

Though I don't discuss specific continuity issues in this thread, I do want to the address the fact that in the Holocron, we track continuity by Holocron entry and not by source.

What that means is, a particular source would never be discounted in its entirety, only those elements of that source that are contradictory.

Hence, while there may be individual elements of say the Marvel Comics or the Holiday Special that are considered non-continuity, all the other parts can still be valid.

The Mandalorian War was not nearly as large as the Clone War, or the war of the rebellion.

Also, Im not sure if Kotor is considered canon, but I think anything involving Kyle Katarn is.

Katarn is awesome, a much better Jedi that Luke imho.

The Mandalorian War was not nearly as large as the Clone War, or the war of the rebellion.

Also, Im not sure if Kotor is considered canon, but I think anything involving Kyle Katarn is.

Katarn is awesome, a much better Jedi that Luke imho.

I'm pretty sure that Mandalorians gave the Republic a run for their money. Then there was the Republic-Sith War.

Dear God, not that guy

You realize he argued that SW humans naturally developed with metal bits in their spines just to try & not lose a debate?

Here's SW canon

Yeah, but Lucas is a dick. This is the guy who originally wanted Luke to be a chick, then a dwarf, then a 60 year old dude. And his name was gonna be Luke Starkiller.

>_>

Or perhaps the Old Republic has gone through several incarnations, and with the most recent one there hasn't been a war? I mean, France is on their what, Fifth Republic? Or is it Sixth?

Or perhaps the Old Republic has gone through several incarnations, and with the most recent one there hasn't been a war? I mean, France is on their what, Fifth Republic? Or is it Sixth?

Maybe, but I though it was just Old Republic, and New Republic.

Also, Im not sure if Kotor is considered canon, but I think anything involving Kyle Katarn is.
It's not. Basically the only things that are canon are the movies, their novelization, and the radio show. Everything else is Expanded Universe.

It's not. Basically the only things that are canon are the movies, their novelization, and the radio show. Everything else is Expanded Universe.
Which is just a lower level of canon. If the movie doesn't directly contradict what's said in the EU, it's canon.

The event mentioned in the OP refers to the Sith/Jedi war that ended with the Battle of Ruusan 1000 before the battle of Yavin. It was at that time that the PT Galactic Republic was formed. In that era of the Galactic Republic there was 1000 years of relative peace.

Thus the Great Hyperspace War, the Sith War and the Mandalorian War/Jedi Civil War are within continuity of the SW universe.

*wonders if anyone realize it's just a movie.*

*wonders if anyone realize it's just a movie.*
*wonders if anyone realizes that soccer is just a sport*

Lay off of people's hobbies.

*wonders if anyone realizes that soccer is just a sport*

Lay off of people's hobbies.

There's a diffrence, sports matter :p . Meh, I guess I just don't see the big deal in the timeline of a movie triology.

There's a diffrence, sports matter :p . Meh, I guess I just don't see the big deal in the timeline of a movie triology.

Then do the wise thing and refrain from posting in threads about the minutae of movies.

Ben Kenobi says in Ep IV that for over a thousand generations the Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Then, Palpatine says in Ep II that he will not allow this republic that has stood for a thousand years be torn apart.
I think that there have been several times when the republic was re-organized by it's members in response to a crisis (such as the Mandalorian Wars), so take what they say lightly and don't totally freak over it all.

Ben Kenobi says in Ep IV that for over a thousand generations the Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Then, Palpatine says in Ep II that he will not allow this republic that has stood for a thousand years be torn apart.
I think that there have been several times when the republic was re-organized by it's members in response to a crisis (such as the Mandalorian Wars), so take what they say lightly and don't totally freak over it all.
Indeed, I seem to remember a few people talking about the Republic being in existance for '10,000 years' or something similar. Frankly, I dont think it would be POSSIBLE to keep a government running that long without at least a few reorganizations to fit changing frames of mind and so forth.
So, 'The Republic' perhaps has multiple meanings, it can be, A. A series of Republics, each under the same governmental name, B. An individual of that series, all of which were basically called 'The Republic', C. 42
And Im also going to have to agree with whoever said that when Lucas released EP I/II that he forfieted his right to say what is and is not canon, sellouts dont get to tell the fans what to think, and regardless of what Lucas might think, Star Wars is now much, much bigger than him.

And Im also going to have to agree with whoever said that when Lucas released EP I/II that he forfieted his right to say what is and is not canon, sellouts dont get to tell the fans what to think, and regardless of what Lucas might think, Star Wars is now much, much bigger than him.

That is complete bullshit. The movies always have been and always will be the only absolute canon of SW, everything else must fit the movies not the other way around.

SW is bigger than what GL originally made, but if the EU contradicts the movies, the EU is wrong. No matter what hardcore fans want to think.

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LMAO! You win this thread. :D

That is complete bullshit. The movies always have been and always will be the only absolute canon of SW, everything else must fit the movies not the other way around.

SW is bigger than what GL originally made, but if the EU contradicts the movies, the EU is wrong. No matter what hardcore fans want to think.

I disagree. Major details should go by Lucas and the films, but minor details should go to EU, especially if they're interesting.

Besides, I'm not going to disregard two AU$90 games because of three AU$10 movies.

I disagree. Major details should go by Lucas and the films, but minor details should go to EU, especially if they're interesting.

Besides, I'm not going to disregard two AU$90 games because of three AU$10 movies.

The KOTOR games don't contradict the movies. Things like a 160km diamter DS2 and 8km Executor are contradictions.

Same as if a book said Coruscant had massive oceans, it doesn't in the film so the book is wrong.

You first rationlize contradictions before throwing them out. Which is why the Galactic Republic went through several re-organizations in its 25,000 year history and Palpatine was referring to the most recent one in AOTC.

If it can't be rationilzed, like the 8 km Executor, then you through out that part of the EU as it is wrong.

Everyone does ralize that there were books before the movies, right?
Considering that there are differences between the books and the movies, aren't the movies EU also?

Everyone does ralize that there were books before the movies, right?
Considering that there are differences between the books and the movies, aren't the movies EU also?

No. The movies are the absolute canon, contradictions in the books must be rationalized to fit the movies or be thrown out.