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If so, would you be so kind as to pop over to the Scotland region for some questions regarding your philosophies?
Thanks awfully

If so, would you be so kind as to pop over to the Scotland region for some questions regarding your philosophies?
Thanks awfully

Do you have a couch ready?

Do you have a couch ready?

I'd suggest a straight-jacket.

watch it or Tom Cruise will zap yo ass.
again.

*Present*, ask away

are scientologists allowed on the internet? well except for the celebrity scientologists whose existance is for publicity so they are allowed anything.

does scientology leave you with enough money to afford an internet connection or would you have to be posting from a library?

I'd suggest a straight-jacket.

Awww, be nice.....just nod and smile and don't look them straight in the eye...

are scientologists allowed on the internet? well except for the celebrity scientologists whose existance is for publicity so they are allowed anything.
Yes. (clearly[giggles])

does scientology leave you with enough money to afford an internet connection or would you have to be posting from a library?
well, in theory, Im in a library. In reality....

Ok, I have a question for our friendly local scientologist. Why is it that so many local Churches of Scientology post help-wanted signs in the windows as a recruitment tool when they have no jobs available?

well since i double posted....

you might want to also read the 1991 arcticle from time magazine titled "scientology the cult of greed"

http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien413.html

Well, like any collective religious organization, we want members. Not alot of pps just walk in off the street, so some franchises, wrongly, put up things like that to drag people in. This of course is a case where the ends, the persons comming into our loving embrace, justifies the means of an immoral untruth.

you might want to read the recent rolling stone article on scientology. its well researched and covers quite a few aspects of scientololgy from its origins to what its like to go in for a first reading. its kinda dry on the net but the issue is at the library now if you want to read it in a better format. its in the march 9th issue

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9363363/inside_scientology

This of course is a case where the ends, the persons comming into our loving embrace, justifies the means of an immoral untruth.

Surely if the ends justify the means, the untruth is not immoral?

Well, like any collective religious organization, we want members. Not alot of pps just walk in off the street, so some franchises, wrongly, put up things like that to drag people in. This of course is a case where the ends, the persons comming into our loving embrace, justifies the means of an immoral untruth.

I suppose that is an argument. Still, were I interested in scientology I think it would have turned me off. The aggressive recruitment tactics that I experianced after applying for a job(tactics which continued for weeks after I expressed disinterest) have left me with a very bad taste in my mouth. You really shouldn't have to do research about a religion and present yourself as the embodiment of what they dislike in order to get them to stop calling you and showing up at your home.

Surely if the ends justify the means, the untruth is not immoral?
Not at all. The untruth is immoral, and thus we can act immorally to bring greater good to the world by sharing The Truth

I suppose that is an argument. Still, were I interested in scientology I think it would have turned me off. The aggressive recruitment tactics that I experianced after applying for a job(tactics which continued for weeks after I expressed disinterest) have left me with a very bad taste in my mouth. You really shouldn't have to do research about a religion and present yourself as the embodiment of what they dislike in order to get them to stop calling you and showing up at your home.
I agree absolutly. My group is less militant in our expansion. Still, its hard to know where the line is, because so many people wither don't know about us, or think we're a cult

Not at all. The untruth is immoral, and thus we can act immorally to bring greater good to the world by sharing The Truth

Two questions then:

1. What is the truth? (or, indeed, ['i]The Truth[/i]')

and

2. Is this kind of claim that the end justifies the means not just another version of the Fair Game policy?

Two questions then:

1. What is the truth? (or, indeed, ['i]The Truth[/i]')

and

2. Is this kind of claim that the end justifies the means not just another version of the Fair Game policy?
1. Come to a meeting of your local group

2.yes

I have a random domb question..
And yes I do believe the Church of Scientology is a cult... individual Scientologists however, well they're free to believe with they want.

So.. my question.
If my understanding of Scientology is correct and it has something to do with an evil galactic dictator named Xenu, then is there a Church to Xenu around? Like sort of how every one believs the Church of Satanism is opposed to the Christian Church, is there a simmilar thing with Scientology?

Two questions then:

1. What is the truth? (or, indeed, ['i]The Truth[/i]')

Ah, you have to pay thousands and thousands of dollars to get to know that. Or watch an episode of South Park. Or just go to operation clambake.

PS im not actually a scientologist...hehehe but its all good

1. Come to a meeting of your local group

Why can you not tell me The Truth? Do you not know it?

2.yes

So, you are saying that the end justifies the means in all Scientologist activities, but are not prepared to reveal what the end is? You support the idea that non-Scientologists can be 'tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed' in order to achieve your nebulous target?

PS im not actually a scientologist...hehehe but its all good

Meh. I believe you are now meant to say 'YHBT. YHL. HAND.'

No, Xenu is more abstract than Satan, and thus has no chruch

PS im not actually a scientologist...hehehe but its all good

Trolling is against the rules.

Why can you not tell me The Truth? Do you not know it?
So, you are saying that the end justifies the means in all Scientologist activities, but are not prepared to reveal what the end is? You support the idea that non-Scientologists can be 'tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed' in order to achieve your nebulous target?
look bud, if I could just tell you the truth in one sentence, why would you need a religion to do it? understanding The Truth is a long and complicated process which you must attend scientologist groups for years to understand, if you can at all. Asking 'well what is the truth' is like saying 'do nirvana- now!'

And no, it does not justify ALL scientologist activites, however, tricking people into entering a building that can drastically change their lives for the better, that is justified.

You're probably better off duct-taping tennis balls to the sides of your head and running into the walls for a couple of hours.

No, Xenu is more abstract than Satan, and thus has no chruch


So... Xenu, one of the basis tennets of the Scientology faith, is abstract, and thus not something that exists, or ever exists?
The entire faith is admittently based on fiction?

There you have it folks, Scietology is fake.

Unogal, you may not make false claims with an intent to waste people's time.

Ok, I have a question for our friendly local scientologist. Why is it that so many local Churches of Scientology post help-wanted signs in the windows as a recruitment tool when they have no jobs available?

because the people inside seriously need help, isnt it obvious, they joined scientology they need your help to talk them out of it

So... Xenu, one of the basis tennets of the Scientology faith, is abstract, and thus not something that exists, or ever exists?
The entire faith is admittently based on fiction?

There you have it folks, Scietology is fake.
No, saying something is abstract doesn't mean that it 'doesn't exist'. Truth, for instance, is abstract. But its just like, who would worship Xenu? Noone. Its just not an entity worthy of worship.

Unogal, you may not make false claims with an intent to waste people's time.

I have no intention of wasting people's time. I just thought people should know that Im answering these questions polemically.

snipt, so some franchises, snip
I like this discribes scientology for what it really is ... a money making scheme

I like this discribes scientology for what it really is ... a money making scheme

A money-making scheme created as a bet between a schlock science fiction writer and a respected one no less.

Did you all hear the Chef quit South Park because they're "intolerant of religion"? They made fun of his religion, Scientology. That makes them intolerant. It was the first time that South Park ever mocked any religion. :rolleyes:

Did you all hear the Chef quit South Park because they're "intolerant of religion"? They made fun of his religion, Scientology. That makes them intolerant. It was the first time that South Park ever mocked any religion. :rolleyes:
where was his anger at intolerance when they savaged the mormon church?

where was his anger at intolerance when they savaged the mormon church?

Under the Couch.

And can anyone tell me the last time the Mormon Church ever conducted a harassment campaign against anyone who cracked polygamy jokes?

No, saying something is abstract doesn't mean that it 'doesn't exist'. Truth, for instance, is abstract. But its just like, who would worship Xenu? Noone. Its just not an entity worthy of worship.

Actually abstract refers to something that does not exist in a solid, real form. While the concept of truth may exist as an actual concept, it can not be felt, tasted, or beaten with a stick, and thus is not physically existant, otherwise it is abstract.
Thus, if Xenu is abstract, he is merely a figmit of human thought, and not an actual physical being. Thus he doesn't exist.