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So, why not make killing babies legal? No, this isn’t some stupid pro-life satire. I’m serious. An infant isn’t that much different than a fetus, certainly not that much more intelligent, not significantly anyway. So why shouldn’t it be legal to kill a baby if it comes out retarded, crippled or with some disease that wasn’t known about in the womb? Why should the parent’s standard of living have to suffer for such an enforceable event? Hell, what if someone has a kid and then they get laid off suddenly and can’t afford the kid, certainly killing the child only makes good sense. Maybe, the mother wants to go back to work, but can't afford a baby sitter?

It's just a baby, it's not like it can think anything that matters. I say setting the cut off line for a legal infanticide somewhere between three months and a year.

So, why not make killing babies legal? No, this isn’t some stupid pro-life satire. I’m serious. An infant isn’t that much different than a fetus, certainly not that much more intelligent, not significantly anyway. So why shouldn’t it be legal to kill a baby if it comes out retarded, crippled or with some disease that wasn’t known about in the womb? Why should the parent’s standard of living have to suffer for such an enforceable event? Hell, what if someone has a kid and then they get laid off suddenly and can’t afford the kid, certainly killing the child only makes good sense. Maybe, the mother wants to go back to work, but can't afford a baby sitter?

It's just a baby, it's not like it can think anything that matters. I say setting the cut off line for a legal infanticide somewhere between three months and a year.

Wow....

Damn, they should put better locks on the psych ward. Another one escaped.

Slipperly slope anyone?

you know, i can't get too excited either way on infanticide. i'm not going to invest any energy trying to convince people of its occassional acceptability, but i also wouldn't oppose it if somehow it became legal and/or culturally allowable.

you know, i can't get too excited either way on infanticide. i'm not going to invest any energy trying to convince people of its occassional acceptability, but i also wouldn't oppose it if somehow it became legal and/or culturally allowable.

Yea, but would you want to live in a society where killing borned babies is allowable?

Delia...you've already been warned once tonight by a mod, are you going for two? I cant believe you have lasted this long on NS without being deleted. Grow up you creep.

Yea, but would you want to live in a society where killing borned babies is allowable?
wouldnt bother me too much

Delia...you've already been warned once tonight by a mod, are you going for two? I cant believe you have lasted this long on NS without being deleted. Grow up you creep.

Can't people have a serious discussion about infanticide?

So, why not make killing babies legal? No, this isn’t some stupid pro-life satire. I’m serious. An infant isn’t that much different than a fetus, certainly not that much more intelligent, not significantly anyway. So why shouldn’t it be legal to kill a baby if it comes out retarded, crippled or with some disease that wasn’t known about in the womb? Why should the parent’s standard of living have to suffer for such an enforceable event? Hell, what if someone has a kid and then they get laid off suddenly and can’t afford the kid, certainly killing the child only makes good sense. Maybe, the mother wants to go back to work, but can't afford a baby sitter?

It's just a baby, it's not like it can think anything that matters. I say setting the cut off line for a legal infanticide somewhere between three months and a year.
Put the word "abortion" in there and I might have seen where you were going with this..

Too bad the polls aren't public...

Yea, but would you want to live in a society where killing borned babies is allowable?
I wouldn't mind, obviously. If it’s accepted by society, nobody would mind. Plenty of Mediterranean societies were perfectly okay with it around two to three thousand years ago.

Nor me, obviously. If it’s accepted by society, nobody would mind. Plenty of Mediterranean societies were perfectly okay with it around two to three thousand years ago.

Yea, and in the Vietnam war, children were used as weapons, that doesn't make it right though.

Yea, but would you want to live in a society where killing borned babies is allowable?

eh, i can think of worse societies to live in.

Nor me, obviously. If it’s accepted by society, nobody would mind. Plenty of Mediterranean societies were perfectly okay with it around two to three thousand years ago.
It would be like saying fuck on tv.. it wont happen.

So, why not make killing babies legal? No, this isn’t some stupid pro-life satire. I’m serious. An infant isn’t that much different than a fetus, certainly not that much more intelligent, not significantly anyway. So why shouldn’t it be legal to kill a baby if it comes out retarded, crippled or with some disease that wasn’t known about in the womb? Why should the parent’s standard of living have to suffer for such an enforceable event? Hell, what if someone has a kid and then they get laid off suddenly and can’t afford the kid, certainly killing the child only makes good sense. Maybe, the mother wants to go back to work, but can't afford a baby sitter?

It's just a baby, it's not like it can think anything that matters. I say setting the cut off line for a legal infanticide somewhere between three months and a year.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/strawman.html

Read and learn something


You probably thought you were the first one clever enough to think of this. You would be wrong there have been many that have made the same stupid logical fallacy you did.

It happens all the time

Can't people have a serious discussion about infanticide?

With Undelia as the thread originator-NO. Killing babies because people get laid off from work or because the baby is cripple?:confused: All because the parents standard of living would be affected?? Give me a fucking break. Killing babies up to the age of 1 year? And you see nothing wrong with this? How pathetic.

With Undelia as the thread originator-NO. Killing babies because people get laid off from work or because the baby is cripple?:confused: All because the parents standard of living would be affected?? Give me a fucking break. Killing babies up to the age of 1 year? And you see nothing wrong with this? How pathetic.

Have you ever read A Modest Proposal (http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html), by Jonathan Swift (the same one who wrote Gulliver's Travels)?

It is very similar to the first post, and it is taught about in many schools, it's considered a fine piece of literature...

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/strawman.html

Read and learn something


You probably thought you were the first one clever enough to think of this. You would be wrong there have been many that have made the same stupid logical fallacy you did.

It happens all the time
Huh? I’m really not making a pro-life argument. In fact, I think most pro-lifers are barbarous cretins who need to mind their own business. I’ve argued for the rights of a mother to complete strangers, when they’ve made comments in public. I stand firmly behind a women’s right to choose. I really think that infanticide is an issue worth examining.

Have you ever read A Modest Proposal (http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html), by Jonathan Swift (the same one who wrote Gulliver's Travels)?
Yep. It's on my list.

We can't solve all of our problems by killing.... :rolleyes:

Here, I have a bit more to say. Have you ever read A Modest Proposal (http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html), by Jonathan Swift (the same one who wrote Gulliver's Travels)?

It is very similar to the first post...


I do not care who wrote it. I have a baby and I am highly offended at the casual attitude some people in this thread have about killing babies. The fact that some people have such little regard for children is appalling. And this isnt two-three thousand years ago Undelia......even if I lived back then I wouldnt think its right.

I do not care who wrote it. I have a baby and I am highly offended at the casual attitude some people in this thread have about killing babies. The fact that some people have such little regard for children is appalling. And this isnt two-three thousand years ago Undelia......even if I lived back then I wouldnt think its right.

That's funny. I'm not allowed to get offended when people talk about abortion like it is something that can be debated, but you're allowed to go off about this because it is happening outside the uterus?

I really think that infanticide is an issue worth examining.

peter singer thinks so too, and he's a relatively famous philosopher

That's funny. I'm not allowed to get offended when people talk about abortion like it is something that can be debated, but you're allowed to go off about this because it is happening outside the uterus?


You are allowed to get offended at anything you like. Dont comment to me like I've disputed your stance on abortion......I've never even interacted with you until now. And yes I certainly can go off about people thinking its ok to kill a baby because the mother cant find a baby sitter in order to go back to work.

Gee, and here I had thought that what you were doing was just making a rather outre point espousing a pro-life stand. How can someone can be pro-choice AND simultaneously support infanticide? Please tell me that you were just making a sick joke........ That is just so wrong on so many levels that the mind simply reels attempting to reconcile the concept with anything approaching the even most jaded sense of morality.

Might I suggest that we could save on this planets dwindling resources this winter by simply setting you outside for the night?

From a purely theoretical sense, it could make sense for parents to want to kill their children if they are an abnormal or unusual drain on resources. However, most people also have maternal/paternal instincts which lead them to guard and protect their children. And those instincts have been pressed into most people's thoughts and beliefs to the point where we won't go against them.

While a baby before a year can't solve the world's problems, that doesn't mean it couldn't survive with minimal support from its parents or others to be beneficial in the world. And if you're killing only those that are somehow "bad", you're interfering with the genetic makeup of the population and steering it towards your goal.

How can someone can be pro-choice AND simultaneously support infanticide?

on (some) utilitarian ethical grounds, at the very least.

And yes I certainly can go off about people thinking its ok to kill a baby because the mother cant find a baby sitter in order to go back to work.
Put yourself in that person’s shoes. I mean God, she could be experiencing life, but instead she’s tied to a possibly malformed entity that can’t even appreciate the sacrifice she is making. Things would be so much easier if she could just take it to a doctor and have it put to sleep. Or you know, maybe sell it to a butcher.
Might I suggest that we could save on this planets dwindling resources this winter by simply setting you outside for the night?
This has nothing to do with the planets dwindling resources (in my opinion) and everything to do with maximizing the pleasure in people’s lives. That is, after all, the only thing we have in this world.

So, why not make killing babies legal? No, this isn’t some stupid pro-life satire. I’m serious. An infant isn’t that much different than a fetus, certainly not that much more intelligent, not significantly anyway. So why shouldn’t it be legal to kill a baby if it comes out retarded, crippled or with some disease that wasn’t known about in the womb? Why should the parent’s standard of living have to suffer for such an enforceable event? Hell, what if someone has a kid and then they get laid off suddenly and can’t afford the kid, certainly killing the child only makes good sense. Maybe, the mother wants to go back to work, but can't afford a baby sitter?

It's just a baby, it's not like it can think anything that matters. I say setting the cut off line for a legal infanticide somewhere between three months and a year.

Well, instead of decrying the utter stupidity of this post, I'll compare it to a historical example.

The Greek city state of Sparta. Did you know that if a Spartan child were born with a deformity, or defficiency of any kind that the mother would leave the infant on a hillside, to die of exposure. The Spartans were known as the most disciplined and powerful military force of their day. In fact it was mainly Spartans that held the pass against the Persians in the battle of Thermopylae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae). Granted the battle was lost, but when a group of little more than 300 men can hold off an army of thousands, they must have been doing something right.

Have I gone on a sufficient enough tangent to get far enough off the dumbfoundingly stoopid subect of this thread?

I do not care who wrote it. I have a baby and I am highly offended at the casual attitude some people in this thread have about killing babies. The fact that some people have such little regard for children is appalling. And this isnt two-three thousand years ago Undelia......even if I lived back then I wouldnt think its right.

While on the topic of being offended (and I do agree with you), I believe that there are a lot of pro life individuals that would be highly offended at attempts to shove extreme pro abortionists into their camp the same way many here attempted to do before finding out that Fred Phelps was one of them. (liberal democrat) It is every bit as wrong and offensive.

Put yourself in that person’s shoes. I mean God, she could be experiencing life, but instead she’s tied to a possibly malformed entity that can’t even appreciate the sacrifice she is making. Things would be so much easier if she could just take it to a doctor and have it put to sleep. Or you know, maybe sell it to a butcher.

This has nothing to do with the planets dwindling resources (in my opinion) and everything to do with maximizing the pleasure in people’s lives. That is, after all, the only thing we have in this world.


a butcher. A butcher:confused:

I'm leaving this thread because you are deliberately trying to be such an unimaginable asshole, its unbelievable. If you have that little regard for children, then you shouldnt be allowed near them . I'd hate for you to kill a child because it drooled on your shoe or knocked over something of yours and broke it.

Has anyone reported this thread yet? This is just horrible.

Huh? I’m really not making a pro-life argument. In fact, I think most pro-lifers are barbarous cretins who need to mind their own business. I’ve argued for the rights of a mother to complete strangers, when they’ve made comments in public. I stand firmly behind a women’s right to choose. I really think that infanticide is an issue worth examining.
The un-necessary linking it with fetal stage says something different ... whatever your intentions were attempting to link it back to the intelligence or import of a fetus was a mistake if you wanted real discussion

Has anyone reported this thread yet? This is just horrible.

Yes I did.

I'm leaving this thread because you are deliberately trying to be such an unimaginable asshole, its unbelievable.
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If you have that little regard for children, then you shouldnt be allowed near them . I'd hate for you to kill a child because it drooled on your shoe or knocked over something of yours and broke it.
The thought of being near children, especially young children sickens me, fucking little brats. Lucky for those said fuckers, one of my goals in life is to avoid getting raped in the ass, so I’m not about to do anything that could get me sent to jail.

Might I suggest that we could save on this planets dwindling resources this winter by simply setting you outside for the night?
I would suggest not discussing specific people but instead the point of the posts. ;)

Things would be so much easier if she could just take it to a doctor and have it put to sleep. Or you know, maybe sell it to a butcher.
Undelia.... that last idea doesn't pass muster. Please knock off the inflammatory suggestions.

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The thought of being near children, especially young children sickens me, fucking little brats. Lucky for those said fuckers, one of my goals in life is to avoid getting raped in the ass, so I’m not about to do anything that could get me sent to jail.

I laughed when you said raped in the ass. That's a funny mental picture.

I wouldn't mind, obviously. If it’s accepted by society, nobody would mind. Plenty of Mediterranean societies were perfectly okay with it around two to three thousand years ago.

Plenty of Mediterranean societies also got their asses handed to them by the Germanics.

Has anyone reported this thread yet? This is just horrible.

Why? It's too much fun watching the fireworks! Someone posts something soooo stupid and outrageous that we can't help but attract a pack of howlers (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm). To just go crying to the mods is such a cop out.

The un-necessary linking it with fetal stage says something different ... whatever your intentions were attempting to link it back to the intelligence or import of a fetus was a mistake if you wanted real discussion
Once again I don’t understand you. I was under the impression that women got abortions because the child would either be an undue inconvenience or would likely have severe developmental problems.
I am not aware of anything special about birth, except the child is separate from the mother. To me, that really isn’t that big of a deal, since the child is still reliant on the mother in other ways.

Why? It's too much fun watching the fireworks! Someone posts something soooo stupid and outrageous that we can't help but attract a pack of howlers (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm). To just go crying to the mods is such a cop out.


It's not a cop out to stand up for what I believe is right. If you want to be weak and just sit by and never say anything about blatant cruelty, then be my guest. You have 500 posts....you dont know much about Undelia. He is constantly trying to piss people off and offend someone and I'm sick of it. This is over the line.

The thought of being near children, especially young children sickens me, fucking little brats. Lucky for those said fuckers, one of my goals in life is to avoid getting raped in the ass, so I’m not about to do anything that could get me sent to jail.

Nevermind... Undelia, this thread is closed. I'm leaving the decision on a warning to another, as it is past my bedtime.