NationStates Jolt Archive


The effects of first impressions... are you in the right mood to meet someone?

Grand Maritoll
15-03-2006, 04:23
Between periods 4A and 4B (just before Concert Choir, that is), I was reminded that emotions can strongly effect the way one experiences one's day, and will still do so even if we are aware that it is going on (provided we do not make an extra effort to stop them).

In Acting Ensemble, my emotions flipped a switch from cautiously positive to a sort of militant negativity... with many people, militant negativity means that they are feeling bad and want to make others feel bad so they aren't alone in their suffering, and might achieve comfort in that manner. With me, militant negativity typically means that I will try to stop the outpouring of negativity, which leads to me feeling progressively worse. In other words, I wasn't feeling well at all.

Then, in Band, we got some new music for Spring Concert. Normally, I enjoy new music. In fact, I can't think of any songs that I genuinely dislike that I have played in Band at NHS. But today, it was different. We had two new songs, one of them was fairly difficult, and another one was very easy. We listened to the difficult one, and played the easy one. I didn't like either of them.

After school was when I realized that the reason I didn't like the music we had learned (both songs had Ebs [the lowest note on a Bass Clarinet] in them, something I would normally enjoy immensely) was that I was depressed when they were introduced to me.

It may seem fairly obvious, but to me, it is as obvious as gravity was to ancient scientists (I'm fond of that analogy today). Because I have had emotions influencing my opinions of everything for all of my life, the significance never dawned on me, and I never gave the matter serious thought. But it deserves serious thought.

If you dislike someone and can't name the reason, odds are you first came to know them while you were feeling negative... and these things can spiral. After all, no one likes being around people they don't like, and so the next time you interact with a person whom you met while you were feeling bad, you will remember that you don't like that person (either subconsciously or consciously), and you will have a slightly more negative experience around them because you don't like them because you met them when you were feeling down. After the second negative experience, you may dislike them even more, because now you have had two negative experiences with them. The result? The next time you interact with them, the experience will be more negatively tainted, proportional to how much you dislike them. And on and on it goes.

Perhaps you will start coming up with reasons for not liking them, to justify your dislike. But the key word is "coming up with". If you look closely, all people are flawed in some way. But the tendency is to focus on the flaws of those you don't like, and forgive the flaws of those you do like. This makes the people you don't like seem worse, and the people you like seem better (if you see flaw A in your enemy, you tend to gladly note it if your friend does not have flaw A, because they are your friend. [But you do take note of flaw A in your enemy, because they are your enemy]. But if you see flaw B in your friend [or, if you notice the absence of flaw B in your enemy], you tend to ignore it, because they are your friend [or enemy]. In much the same way, if you see positive trait A in your enemy, [or, if you notice the absence of positive trait A in your friend], you tend to ignore it [or the absence of it], because they are your enemy [or friend]. If you see positive trait B in your friend, you gladly take note of it, because they are your friend... and if you notice that positive trait B is lacking in your enemy, you take note.)

I think that covered all the scenarios (even if it didn't, you probably got the idea after the first 30 words or so...), so on with analysis.

When you see positive traits in your friends that your enemies lack, you tend to use them as justification for liking your friends and not your enemies (after all, the most noteworthy characteristics of human beings are their constant need to justify themselves and their constant need of approval [which are closely related]).

When you see positive traits in your enemies that your friends lack, sometimes you will take the proper path and gently and cautiously inform your friend of their shortcomings so they can improve themselves, sometimes you may even take the impious path by hating your enemy even more for "showing up" your friend, but more often than not, you tend to ignore the trait and the lack thereof in your enemy and your friend, respectively.

The opposite is true of negative traits.

What am I saying with all this?
(Yes, that was written to attract even the attention of those who would normally just glaze over these "deep posts". Bear with me for a paragraph or two, this is the part where I get to the point.)

Negative experiences breed negative impressions (as exhibited above). And there is truth in the idea that first impressions are extremely important. Negative impressions breed more intensely negative experiences. More intensely negative experiences build more intensely negative impressions, which develop into negative relationships (i.e., enemies/people you can't stand).

The moral of the story? Odds are, if you hate someone, there really is no solid basis for it, it is simply the result of the tendency of emotions to spiral out of control.

The more intense the emotions (prejudices would actually be a better word) have become, the harder it is to overcome them, even if you can trace the spiral back to its origins and you fully understand why you have those emotions (i.e., even if you know what's going on in your head), you will have a hard time getting over them.

Here's the kicker: it works in reverse, too. Positive experiences build up positivity. That's how friends are made, in most cases.

Sure, just as evolution has periods of punctuation amongst the equilibrium (fancy science terms for when things evolve quickly), there are periods where positivity and negativity shift significantly in a short time, (and of course, the short term is always fluctuating, minorly, like the individual specimens compared to the species as a whole in evolutionary terms), but most relationships build and solidify, for better or for worse, over time.

What has all this thinking taught me? It has taught me that it will take me a long time to get over my feelings for the music we got in band today, and my feelings that have given me so much grief as of late.
Iztatepopotla
15-03-2006, 04:29
So, there are things you don't like. Welcome to life. Suck it up and be happy.
Grand Maritoll
15-03-2006, 04:34
So, there are things you don't like. Welcome to life. Suck it up and be happy.

:confused:

Did you even read the post?

I was commenting on the nature of the progression of thought/relationships, not complaining about how life sucks. I consider knowledge a useful tool (really, the only useful tool) and so I thought I would share some knowledge I gained today.
Iztatepopotla
15-03-2006, 04:38
:confused:

Did you even read the post?

I was commenting on the nature of the progression of thought/relationships, not complaining about how life sucks. I consider knowledge a useful tool (really, the only useful tool) and so I thought I would share some knowledge I gained today.
That's what happens when you don't include an executive summary. See? It's your fault :)

Anyway, what you learned is good, but you haven't gone far enough. Emotions not only control you, but you can also decide to be in control of your emotions, and by that I don't mean being all Vulcan and such, but to decide when to be sad, then make the decision to suck it up, and then be happy.

If that's your thing, if you'd prefer to be sad, then you could decide to be sad all the time.
Defiantland
15-03-2006, 04:40
Wow! That just made a lot of sense about things that have been going on in my life!

I won't go into details, but what you've said has explained a whole lot of things! Thanks! :)
Defiantland
15-03-2006, 04:43
That's what happens when you don't include an executive summary. See? It's your fault :)

Um, read the post or leave this thread. It is clear by both your posts that you have missed the point entirely, so any more posts out of you are completely pointless.

Then you openly imply that you did not even read the whole thing?

Now I'm starting to understand the bitterness behind Fass...

Read or leave, simple as that, and I don't mean it in a "mean" kind of way, I mean it in a "there's no point for you to participate in this thread and you'll be wasting everyone's time including yours if you continue to post without having read the original post" kind of way.
Rangerville
15-03-2006, 04:44
I think you're right, but it's also why i think we have to try not to judge people based on first impressions, because we may meet someone for the first time when we are having a bad day, or when they are. It's hard to do, but we really need to keep that in mind. For example, we could meet someone and they could be really snippy with us and our first reaction may be to say "what a bitch." It could just be though that the person is in a bad mood and took it out on us, the first person they saw.
Grand Maritoll
15-03-2006, 04:47
I think you're right, but it's also why i think we have to try not to judge people based on first impressions, because we may meet someone for the first time when we are having a bad day, or when they are.

Excellent points, and all are very valid. The thing is, most people don't realize what is going on in psychological terms when people interact, so I figured I'd spell it out.


Anyway, what you learned is good, but you haven't gone far enough.

I plan on following this up with further meditation, but I was all discoursed-out for today, so I decided to stop at what I had. Mentally, I'm with you 100%, but I haven't written it all down yet... the sections that talk about the difficulty of turning negative things around kind of forshadow my later thoughts, though.

Wow! That just made a lot of sense about things that have been going on in my life!

I won't go into details, but what you've said has explained a whole lot of things! Thanks! :)

I'm glad I had a positive impact :)
Iztatepopotla
15-03-2006, 04:49
Then you openly imply that you did not even read the whole thing?
No, I didn't imply. I accepted.

Read or leave, simple as that, and I don't mean it in a "mean" kind of way, I mean it in a "there's no point for you to participate in this thread and you'll be wasting everyone's time including yours if you continue to post without having read the original post" kind of way.
But I don't want to read it. I don't feel a connection with the character, there's no flow to the story, and it takes too long to get to the point

Be nice and tell me what your experience with emotions has been instead.
Rangerville
15-03-2006, 04:50
You're right, they don't, and i'm sure i've been just as guilty as anyone else of judging someone based on a first impression.
Grand Maritoll
15-03-2006, 04:52
there's no flow to the story, and it takes too long to get to the point

Yep, that's the way my mind works ;)

Perhaps I'll put together a reader-friendly version and sell it sometime. Does anyone know if the self-help industry is doing well right now?

To get the main idea, all you have to do is read the first paragraph after the colored section.
Defiantland
15-03-2006, 04:53
No, I didn't imply. I accepted.

Even worse... I didn't want to say "declared" because you didn't explicitly say it, instead implicitly, but now that you've admitted it...

But I don't want to read it. I don't feel a connection with the character, there's no flow to the story, and it takes too long to get to the point

Then there's nothing for you here. It's like participating in a discussion about a book, declaring that you haven't read the book and don't want to.

Be nice and tell me what your experience with emotions has been instead.

Sorry, it's too complicated, you have to read it for yourself. It's not the end of the world! There are plenty of other threads around here in which you can participate.
Undelia
15-03-2006, 04:53
Hate isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It can drive us to do great things. I, for one, revel in hate.
Iztatepopotla
15-03-2006, 04:54
I plan on following this up with further meditation, but I was all discoursed-out for today, so I decided to stop at what I had. Mentally, I'm with you 100%, but I haven't written it all down yet... the sections that talk about the difficulty of turning negative things around kind of forshadow my later thoughts, though.
It takes time, especially learning to recognize emotions for what they are: first reactions to a given situation. When you learn to analyze a situation, then you can decide if a reaction is justified or not.

I used to get very angry at things, but then I realized that for the great majority there was no point in getting angry about. Funny thing is that you can also decide when to feel genuinely upset at the things that deserve it and that works to push you to do something about it. And you can also feel happy most of the time.
Defiantland
15-03-2006, 04:56
You're right, they don't, and i'm sure i've been just as guilty as anyone else of judging someone based on a first impression.

Hmm... this even explains this girl I like. I met this girl at this choir thing (too complicated to explain, but suffice it to say I'd claim that as one of the best weekends of my life), and now I really like her. When I think about it, the happiness must have really counted for that.
Iztatepopotla
15-03-2006, 04:57
Perhaps I'll put together a reader-friendly version and sell it sometime. Does anyone know if the self-help industry is doing well right now?
It's doing wonderfully. One of the few still growing sectors in publishing.

To get the main idea, all you have to do is read the first paragraph after the colored section.
Oh, yeah, that's the key. Having it at the top would have helped, though. :)
Iztatepopotla
15-03-2006, 05:01
Sorry, it's too complicated, you have to read it for yourself. It's not the end of the world! There are plenty of other threads around here in which you can participate.
Nah, it's not complicated. The way I do it is starting with a phrase of what I want to say, they break it down in three or four bullet points, write a few paragraphs illustrating those bullet-points and then arranging them and making sure the narrative has a flow.

Then I go away for some minutes and read it again to see if it still makes sense. Sometimes I rewrite the whole thing to see if that makes it better. It's not about getting a Pulitzer, but just making sure your point is getting across clearly.
Rangerville
15-03-2006, 05:02
We're not trying to say that hatred is a bad thing, just that it should be deserved. You can't really know that a person deserves your hatred, or your love, unless you have gotten to know them, or at least been aware of their behaviour on a regular basis. Personally, i don't hate anyone, but there are people i dislike. The reason i dislike them is because they have done something horrible, or have said or done something hurtful to me or a loved one, or just genuinely proved to be a not very nice person. I try not to dislike or even like someone based on one meeting.