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Palestinians Surrender After 10-Hour Siege:

JERICHO, West Bank - "Israeli soldiers using helicopters, tanks and bulldozers burst into a Palestinian jail Tuesday to seize militants wanted for the assassination of a Cabinet minister, triggering a 10-hour standoff that ended when the prisoners gave themselves up."

Which then, in turn, led to this:

"Furious Palestinians rampaged through the West Bank and Gaza Strip attacking offices linked to the United States and Europe and torching the British Council building in Gaza City. Palestinian gunmen also kidnapped nine foreigners, including an American university professor, and some aid agencies pulled their foreign staff out of Palestinian areas."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060314/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinian_prisoner_23;_ylt=Atxu7hzOrdvTWUYkbVKQAtQUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUC Ul

It has also been brought to my attention, that protesters were shouting, death to the Americans, death to the Britons.

So, what the hell are these arabs thinking? Why would they retaliate on the British and Americans for an Israel raid to CAPTURE CONVICTS.

God, I lose more and more faith in these people every time I turn on the news.

Anyway, your thoughts, discuss.

What can they do to Israel? maybe you missed the whole 'wall guarded with soldiers and gunships' thing...

They'll vent on anyone who supports israel if they can't get to Israel itself.

So, what the hell are these arabs thinking? Why would they retaliate on the British and Americans for an Israel raid to CAPTURE CONVICTS.

God, I lose more and more faith in these people every time I turn on the news.

Anyway, your thoughts, discuss.

Because if you had read a little deeper you would have realised this:
The raid began early on Tuesday, shortly after UK and US monitors left the Palestinian-run prison complaining about lax security arrangements.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4806714.stm

The timing of the withdrawal of security forces is.... nice.

So, to the Palestinians it appeared that the UK and US monitors abandoned the prison with clear foresight of an impending IDF assault. Therefore the US and UK caved into IDF or Israeli political pressure.

Not the best olive branch to extend in a finely balanced time as it has been over the past few weeks.

God, I lose more and more faith in these people every time I turn on the news.
Did you ever have "faith" in "these people"? I think not.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10382177&postcount=92

Read about this at lunchtime today. Seems to me the individual in question was in prison. So obviously it makes sense to smash your way in and arrest him, on the grounds of "lax security" (the day after half the guards, who happen to be your closest allies, decide to abandon the place).

Israel really has been noobulated. :headbang:

President Bush brokered the deal with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon that sent the six men to a Palestinian prison in Jericho, where they were guarded by U.S. and British monitors. In return, Israeli troops pulled back from Arafat's West Bank compound.

After winning Palestinian parliamentary elections Jan. 25, Hamas leaders said they wanted to release Saadat, and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said last week he would not oppose freeing the six men.

U.S. and British officials sent a letter to Abbas last week, accusing the Palestinians of repeatedly violating the agreement and saying the security situation at the prison needed to be improved immediately or the monitors would leave.
If the the inevitable consequences of their actions displease them, perhaps the Palestinians should try making better choices.

Who the fuck breaks into prison to arrest someone?!?

Who the fuck breaks into prison to arrest someone?!?Abbas said that the prisoner in question was very much likely to be freed. So the Israelis were playing power politics to make sure he wouldn't be freed. The bit the shocked me was the bit about the British Council. Who on earth would want to attack the British Council? They do so many great things for the people of the country they work in. *sighs*

The timing of the withdrawal of security forces is.... nice.

So, to the Palestinians it appeared that the UK and US monitors abandoned the prison with clear foresight of an impending IDF assault. Therefore the US and UK caved into IDF or Israeli political pressure.security forces were not withdrawn by the UK and the US. They were unarmed prison warders. Furthermore they had given advance warning that were going to remove the warders to both Israel and the PA after complaints about 'lax security'. Which was that demonstrations were allowed to occur outside of the Prison. Hardly condusive to security when suicide bombers are frequent and guns and other weapons are easily available.

Did you ever have "faith" in "these people"? I think not.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10382177&postcount=92
I'm going to have to agree. AI's views are extremist and I'd like to remind everyone that he doesn't represent the majority, or even a mainstream branch, of Jews.

I'm going to have to agree. AI's views are extremist and I'd like to remind everyone that he doesn't represent the majority, or even a mainstream branch, of Jews.

Uh, whether you want to beleive it or not, most Jews dislike the arabs, and most arabs dislike the Jews.

I dont know what kind of fantasy world your living in, but the people you have met in your sheltered international school do not represent the majority of the people.

So yes, my views do represent the majority of the Jews.

Your from New York, right?

I went to a fundraiser down in Miami with former New York mayor Koch, he gave a speech on the perils of Islam and the threat of muslims. Sounded exactly how I sound. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Koch He was also a U.S. congressmen and got a hell of alot of applause from the crowd...all Jews. It was a holocaust musuem fundraiser, I beleive.

Abbas said that the prisoner in question was very much likely to be freed. So the Israelis were playing power politics to make sure he wouldn't be freed. The bit the shocked me was the bit about the British Council. Who on earth would want to attack the British Council? They do so many great things for the people of the country they work in. *sighs*

I love how the pro-arab people just ignore little stupid facts like these....:rolleyes:

Good post.

Did you ever have "faith" in "these people"? I think not.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10382177&postcount=92

Correction. I dont have faith in these people.

Good job, I stand corrected.

AI's views are extremist and I'd like to remind everyone that he doesn't represent the majority, or even a mainstream branch, of Jews.Maybe.. but hes got this plan: Island + blondes. :fluffle:

It sounds like agood plan. :D

Maybe.. but he got this plan: Island + blondes. :fluffle:

It sounds like agood plan. :D

Lol...knew you'd like that.

No, but seriously, whether people want to admit it...my views do represent those of ALOT of Jews.

And your not the most moderate person on the planet, Mr. OceanDrive. ;)

And your not the most moderate person on the planet, Mr. OceanDrive. ;)but.. but.. ... ... *cries* ... everbody hates me..

Where is my good friend Novoga when I need him?

but.. but.. *cries*

:D :D :p :D

lol.

Exactly, now, if we are done playing tiddley winks and grab-ass...what do you think of the article...the Israelis...and the 'rabs?

lol.

Exactly, now, if we are done playing tiddley winks and grab-ass...what do you think of the article...the Israelis...and the 'rabs?I am going AFK (supper) ..

later.. I shall read the article an give you my POV.

I am going AFK (supper) ..

later.. I shall read the article an give you my POV.

I look foward to it....

*slouches over and starts snoring*

lol.

I love how the pro-arab people just ignore little stupid facts like these....:rolleyes:

Good post.DOn't for a second think I'm being pro-israeli. I'm just condeming the whole shebang and everyone involved.

DOn't for a second think I'm being pro-israeli. I'm just condeming the whole shebang and everyone involved.

I didnt say you were Pro Israel....I actually didnt even mention you, I was just quoting what you said and saying that the Pro arab people tend to forget things like that.

Thats all.

You can be pro-whoever you want...but you had a good post and I used it.

Uh, whether you want to beleive it or not, most Jews dislike the arabs, and most arabs dislike the Jews.

I dont know what kind of fantasy world your living in, but the people you have met in your sheltered international school do not represent the majority of the people.

So yes, my views do represent the majority of the Jews.

Your from New York, right?

I went to a fundraiser down in Miami with former New York mayor Koch, he gave a speech on the perils of Islam and the threat of muslims. Sounded exactly how I sound. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Koch He was also a U.S. congressmen and got a hell of alot of applause from the crowd...all Jews. It was a holocaust musuem fundraiser, I beleive.

Crowds tend to flock to people who agree with them. One room is not any indication. Most Jews, most PEOPLE would like to see a resolution the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that does not involve destroying an entire religion, of either side.

Crowds tend to flock to people who agree with them. One room is not any indication. Most Jews, most PEOPLE would like to see a resolution the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that does not involve destroying an entire religion, of either side.

Actually...nobody knew he was going to talk about muslims, as the thing was a charity dinner for a holocaust musuem...and the two dont exactly relate.

Of course most people would like to see a resolution, myself included. But what I, and most Jews beleive is that the arabs dont want a resoluation....remember....they invaded Israel first, in the war of independence....and they havnt exactly toned it down. Israel just wants to surive on its freaking patch of desert with no resources...and the 'rabs just dont want that to happen.

I didnt say you were Pro Israel....I actually didnt even mention you, I was just quoting what you said and saying that the Pro arab people tend to forget things like that.

Thats all.

You can be pro-whoever you want...but you had a good post and I used it.Sorry... but NS General can get very partisan and people can easily take you out of context (ie. opposite of pro-arab is pro-israeli).

Thanks for the thumbs up for the post. :)

Sorry... but NS General can get very partisan and people can easily take you out of context (ie. opposite of pro-arab is pro-israeli).

Thanks for the thumbs up for the post. :)

Yep, people, myslef included, do tend to really clash on here dont they. :p

Actually...nobody knew he was going to talk about muslims, as the thing was a charity dinner for a holocaust musuem...and the two dont exactly relate.

Of course most people would like to see a resolution, myself included. But what I, and most Jews beleive is that the arabs dont want a resoluation....remember....they invaded Israel first, in the war of independence....and they havnt exactly toned it down. Israel just wants to surive on its freaking patch of desert with no resources...and the 'rabs just dont want that to happen.

Do you reallly need to contract Arabs to 'rabs? It's the same exact amount of keystrokes and everything.

security forces were not withdrawn by the UK and the US. They were unarmed prison warders. Furthermore they had given advance warning that were going to remove the warders to both Israel and the PA after complaints about 'lax security'. Which was that demonstrations were allowed to occur outside of the Prison. Hardly condusive to security when suicide bombers are frequent and guns and other weapons are easily available.

I was merely pointing out why people vented their frustration on those consulates and embassy buildings- I am not 'pro' anyone. Those monitors were basically all that stood between the assault and the prisoners inside- once out of the equation the IDF could move at will without fear of condemnation. So, yes- I would condsider those monitors to be comparable to security forces in that basic respect.

I am very skeptical of the advanced warning- 'lax security' complaints followed a speedy and previously unplanned withdrawal, followed VERY soon after by a well planned and organised assault force smells a little more than just mere 'coincidence'.

What have suicide bombers got to do with this? The guy the IDF were after was one of the leaders of the PFLP? Suicide bombers has nothing to do with this incident.

Abbas said he would consider releasing him until the Israelis said they would kill him- then Abbas agreed to have him contained by the US and UK monitors.


I love how the pro-arab people just ignore little stupid facts like these....
I'm not 'pro' anyone. I'm not 'anti' anyone either.

What 'stupid facts' did I ignore?

Do you reallly need to contract Arabs to 'rabs? It's the same exact amount of keystrokes and everything.

Yes.

It makes me feel better about myself as a person.

Yes.

It makes me feel better about myself as a person.

Fair enough. Whatever makes you feel good. It just seemed a little silly to me.

Fair enough. Whatever makes you feel good. It just seemed a little silly to me.

Of course its silly. I giggled to myself when I typed it. I didnt actually use it as a serious response in a heated logical debate.

Relax, its just a word...lol.

Relax, its just a word...lol.

So is "Yid"

So is "Yid"

Yes. It is a word. :confused: ?

I'm going to have to agree. AI's views are extremist and I'd like to remind everyone that he doesn't represent the majority, or even a mainstream branch, of Jews.

I don't know about that, these days. He doesn't represent a majority, no, but his views are that of a very significant minority, unfortunately.

Of course most people would like to see a resolution, myself included. But what I, and most Jews beleive is that the arabs dont want a resoluation....remember....they invaded Israel first, in the war of independence....and they havnt exactly toned it down. Israel just wants to surive on its freaking patch of desert with no resources...and the 'rabs just dont want that to happen.

The Arab intervention against Israel in 1948 was disorganized and half-hearted; Jordan ended up betraying its allies and cooperating with Israel to annihilate the Palestinian state, for example. The reason the Arab nations intervened was due to domestic pressure from the Arab nationalists, chiefly focusing on the plight of the Palestinians - which was very real even before Israel's Declaration of Independence. During the year between the (non-binding) General Assembly resolution to partition Israel and the date at which it was supposed to occur, the Zionist militias were essentially fighting a war against the Palestinian militias, one which, by May 13, 1948, they were very clearly winning. The Israeli Declaration of Independence quite deliberately made no explicit mention of borders, and the stated intention of the Zionist leadership was to use the territory guaranteed under Partition as a basis to seize the rest of Palestine.

I will not claim the Arab intervention to have been justified, it most certainly wasn't, but it also wasn't a barbaric aggressive attack by savage Arabs against an innocent infant state only seeking peace.

The Arab nations and the Palestinian leadership rejected Partition because from their perspective Partition was glaringly unfair. It gave the new immigrants more than half the land, though they were a minority of the population and actually owned only a small fraction of the territory (9% I believe.) It granted official legitimacy to an enterprise they had opposed, for reasons good and bad, from the start.

The problem with making peace today stems from the refusal of either population to trust the other, from the unwillingness of the Israeli government to tolerate a truly independent and sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza, and from the threat posed to Israel by the extremist Palestinian terrorist organizations.

what do you think of the article...the Israelis...and the 'rabs?First I think this Article had to be posted.. It is a matter of interest.. good Job (posting the news) TAI.

After all.. not everyday we get to see an Army breaking into a foreign Jail to get a suspect. (Its like the US army breaking into a Mexican or Canadian Jail to get someone.)

I have also read all the posts.. and I have nothing meaningful to add for now.

Even if I was not expecting the Israel army to break into a Palestinean Jail.. I am not surprised the Palestinians hold the US responsible for everything Israel does. (but I think this point was already made here)

First I think this Article had to be posted.. It is a matter of interest.. good Job (posting the news) TAI.

After all.. not everyday we get to see an Army breaking into a foreign Jail to get a suspect. (Its like the US army breaking into a Mexican or Canadian Jail to get someone.)

I have also read all the posts.. and I have nothing meaningful to add for now.

Even if I was not expecting the Israel army to break into a Palestinean Jail.. I am not surprised the Palestinians hold the US responsible for everything Israel does. (but I think this point was already made here)

Even though the leader of palestine said he would probably free the prisoner?

and why do they blame the English for what Israel does?

Even though the leader of palestine said he would probably free the prisoner?
I would have to bring you back to my Mexico-US exampleand why do they blame the English ...Yep that is kinda new..

Why were they targeting the Brits too? I don't know why.. maybe they saw that Video with the Brit soldier gloating while video-taping Arab kids getting hit on the genitals...

Whatever it is.. I bet its related to the Iraq War.

I am very skeptical of the advanced warning- 'lax security' complaints followed a speedy and previously unplanned withdrawal, followed VERY soon after by a well planned and organised assault force smells a little more than just mere 'coincidence'.

What have suicide bombers got to do with this? The guy the IDF were after was one of the leaders of the PFLP? Suicide bombers has nothing to do with this incident.My point is that the US and UK claimed that security provision for the prison was unacceptable. If some Palestintians are willing to kidnap foreigners who have no direct relation to an issue, what do you think they might be willing to do to the people who are resonsible for keeping their leaders (of a previously militant organisation) incarcerated? (PFLP had already threatened to kill Arafat's aides if their leader was not freed). It was not the job of the warders to act as human shields for jail, and any implication that that was part of their job description is unacceptable.Abbas said he would consider releasing him until the Israelis said they would kill him- then Abbas agreed to have him contained by the US and UK monitors.Not true, Saadat was originally imprisoned in 2002 under Arafat's command when Israel threanted to assasinate Saadat. On 7th of March Abbas said he was would free Saadat IF the PFLP took responsibility for his protection. An obvious breach of the terms of the agreement under which the US and UK warders came to monitor the jail. The Israeli army said that it was the breach of the agreement (of the US and UK monitors leaving that caused them to attack the jail).

Of course its silly. I giggled to myself when I typed it. I didnt actually use it as a serious response in a heated logical debate.

Relax, its just a word...lol.

Surely you don't mind if people (giggling to themselves) speak of jews as swineshaggers, do you? It's just a word.

Surely you don't mind if people (giggling to themselves) speak of jews as swineshaggers, do you? It's just a word.So that's why they don't eat pork! ... ewww....

Why are they called swineshaggers anyway? Is it to do with the not eating pork or the money lending thing. Because my jokes really not that funny if it's the former.

So yes, my views do represent the majority of the Jews.


What an odd and grossly incorrect thing to say. Your views don't represent those of any Jew I've ever met. Most of us are not so hateful and spiteful.

Incidently, how do you feel about Arab Jews? You must be horribly conflicted there.

My point is that the US and UK claimed that security provision for the prison was unacceptable.
Taking it at face value yes. But politics in this area is never taken at face value- I'm pretty sure there was some pressurising going on behind closed doors- and possible cutting the PA out of the loop. It is very coincidental that less than an hour or so after an unannounced and unplanned withdrawal of Western monitors, a well organised and executed assault took place. It would be as if the IDF somehow knew the Western monitors weren't going to be there...


If some Palestintians are willing to kidnap foreigners who have no direct relation to an issue, what do you think they might be willing to do to the people who are resonsible for keeping their leaders (of a previously militant organisation) incarcerated? (PFLP had already threatened to kill Arafat's aides if their leader was not freed). It was not the job of the warders to act as human shields for jail, and any implication that that was part of their job description is unacceptable.
I agree that they shouldn't have seen as 'human shields' and no where did I allude to that. Merely as a practical barrier, the IDF would not have gone in with Western monitors there. So in essence, by their very presence they were preventing such an assault from taking place.



Not true, Saadat was originally imprisoned in 2002 under Arafat's command when Israel threanted to assasinate Saadat. On 7th of March Abbas said he was would free Saadat IF the PFLP took responsibility for his protection. An obvious breach of the terms of the agreement under which the US and UK warders came to monitor the jail. The Israeli army said that it was the breach of the agreement (of the US and UK monitors leaving that caused them to attack the jail).
Fair enough, but I still see that assault as a flagrant breach of the PA's authority and attempt to grasp a bit legitimacy. I'm sure some other option could have been worked instead of that provocative maneuover. Becuase that's what it has become when the dust is settled.

What an odd and grossly incorrect thing to say. Your views don't represent those of any Jew I've ever met.

Ok. And that means.....

Most of us are not so hateful and spiteful.

Your not Jewish. You're muslim. Why do you use the word "us"?

Incidently, how do you feel about Arab Jews? You must be horribly conflicted there.

Arab Jews are a little backward, due to not living in civilized societies for a long time, but their loyalties are right. They are not hate spitting, rioting, murdering barbarians...like their next door neighbors.

Surely you don't mind if people (giggling to themselves) speak of jews as swineshaggers, do you? It's just a word.

Nope. Its just a word...It would only bother me if you acted on your feelings of hate, like the muslims to do the Israelis.

Arab Jews are a little backward, due to not living in civilized societies for a long time, but their loyalties are right. They are not hate spitting, rioting, murdering barbarians...like their next door neighbors.


It would only bother me if you acted on your feelings of hate, like the muslims to do the Israelis

And the cloak doth fall....

And the cloak doth fall....

No...I have never denied my feelings towards arabs.

I'm just saying theres a difference between having feelings and acting on them.

Thats where me and the 'rabs differ.

I would never kill innocent people. Ever.

No...I have never denied my feelings towards arabs.

I'm just saying theres a difference between having feelings and acting on them.

Thats where me and the 'rabs differ.

I would never kill innocent people. Ever.

Innocence...such a flexible, stretchable, distortable concept. Why do you think that calling jews swineshaggers has got anything to to with hate? FYI, disrespect does not always equal hate. Maybe you will understand that later.

AI, for the record, are you one of those Jews who acts like a dick about the Holocaust, saying that modern Germans should pay for the crimes of the Nazis?

AI, for the record, are you one of those Jews who acts like a dick about the Holocaust, saying that modern Germans should pay for the crimes of the Nazis?I don't know what you're talking about. Modern Germans do pay for the crimes of the Nazis.

I don't know what you're talking about. Modern Germans do pay for the crimes of the Nazis.

Oh yeah? Where?

I don't know what you're talking about. Modern Germans do pay for the crimes of the Nazis.

I think he was referring to money.

Oh yeah? Where?In Germany. Part of it is by the government and part is by private enterprises that have a dark past. Mainly to the people that were put into forced labor and/or concentration camps.
I think he was referring to money.So am I. ;)

I think he was referring to money.

What money?

In Germany. Part of it is by the government and part is by private enterprises that have a dark past. Mainly to the people that were put into forced labor and/or concentration camps.
So am I. ;)

You know that's not what I meant.

I don't know what you're talking about. Modern Germans do pay for the crimes of the Nazis.

1. Why?
2. How?
3. When should they stop?

In Germany. Part of it is by the government and part is by private enterprises that have a dark past. Mainly to the people that were put into forced labor and/or concentration camps.
So am I. ;)

You have some explaining to do, fella, cause now I am both confused and interested in this money payment based on a dark past.

I have heard about the government payments, but I thought that was finished now.

3. When should they stop?When should German citizens stop paying for the War-crimes of the German Gov of 1940 (WW2)?

I don't know... good question.

How long will US citizens pay for the Bush Gov War Crimes (Iraq War) ?
until we find WMD?.. until peace is restored?.. maye 2 or 3 generations?

1. Why?
2. How?
3. When should they stop?
1. The Federal Republic of Germany is the successor state of the 3rd Reich.
2. The government and private businesses pay into a fund that gets distributed to victims.
3. Condition of this final payment was that no future claims could be made.

You have some explaining to do, fella, cause now I am both confused and interested in this money payment based on a dark past.

I have heard about the government payments, but I thought that was finished now.It is "finished" now insofar as no more claims can be made. I think there's a fund paying victims, but I'm not sure if it's a lump sum or over an extended period of time. Either way, Germans are technically paying for the costs with taxes or out of the companies' funds.
I would consider them "modern Germans" as KP put it.

It is "finished" now insofar as no more claims can be made. I think there's a fund paying victims, but I'm not sure if it's a lump sum or over an extended period of time. Either way, Germans are technically paying for the costs with taxes or out of the companies' funds.
I would consider them "modern Germans" as KP put it.

Fair enough.

As a side point, however, I would think that the modern Germans are paying a good deal more than just money. There seems to be this big guilt thing-'wave a German flag and you're a Nazi' kinda deal. Sure must suck learning about WWII history in school, or something.

I like the recent German adds that actually try to make the Germans feel good about Germany.

Fair enough.

As a side point, however, I would think that the modern Germans are paying a good deal more than just money. There seems to be this big guilt thing-'wave a German flag and you're a Nazi' kinda deal. Sure must suck learning about WWII history in school, or something.

I like the recent German adds that actually try to make the Germans feel good about Germany.4th grade was interesting. My first visit to a concentration camp. There's less emphasis on the War aspect and more on how the Nazis came to power, what they did, and why we must never let it happen again.
The flag thing doesn't bother me too badly. The only time I have the urge to wave a German flag is during soccer game, when its accepted.

1. The Federal Republic of Germany is the successor state of the 3rd Reich.
2. The government and private businesses pay into a fund that gets distributed to victims.
3. Condition of this final payment was that no future claims could be made.

An excellently composed answer, thank you.

How about the perceived, if obscure, moral debt? Given that Israel capitalizes hugely on nazi crimes still, will that debt ever be cleared? Was that final payment supposed to clear that up too?

An excellently composed answer, thank you.

How about the perceived, if obscure, moral debt? Given that Israel capitalizes hugely on nazi crimes still, will that debt ever be cleared? Was that final payment supposed to clear that up too?Israel and Germany have a good relationship. Part of the moral debt can never be cleared, and that is the part that entails the obligation to prevent such things from ever happening again.

How about the perceived, if obscure, moral debt? Given that Israel capitalizes hugely on nazi crimes still, will that debt ever be cleared?Maybe they do capitalize hugely.. but I have another question..

What about the other (WW2) victims .. the Gypsies, Gays, Poles... or even the Philipinos, Chinese, and other (genocide, mass murder, torture, concetration camp, etc) victims..

Do they get the same kind of money.. the same benefits and privileges (like the Jewish victims)?

Maybe they do capitalize hugely.. but I have another question..

What about the other (WW2) victims .. the Gypsies, Gays, Poles... or even the Philipinos, Chinese, and other (genocide, mass murder, torture, concetration camp, etc) victims..

Do they get the same kind of money.. the same benefits and privileges (like the Jewish victims)?
:p ....now I know what to do once out of law school...thank you!

Imagine...all that virgin misery to capitalize on by ME.inc

Uh, whether you want to beleive it or not, most Jews dislike the arabs, and most arabs dislike the Jews.


Really? Then why are all these people signed on to in Britain alone?
Jews for Justice for Palestinians (http://www.jfjfp.org/about.htm)
in Britain?

And then theres "Jews against the Occupation", B'tselem, the Refuseniks etc....the truth is that even in Israel theres Jewish opposition to the right wing expansionist agenda.

The idea that theres some monolithic "Jewish Position" is as stupid coming from the Zionist right as it is from a goonish anti-semite. Therefore " So yes, my views do represent the majority of the Jews." is in fact not true. It may be that they represent a majority of American Jews, but America seems to contain a number of dated right wing views which are in the ascendancy at the moment and hopefully its a phase which will soon pass.


love how the pro-arab people just ignore little stupid facts like these....

That a mob - angry at the British kow-towing to the Israelis - attacked the British council? Hardly surprising. And they didn't withdraw by the way - Mr Straw has said that he ordered them out.


But what I, and most Jews beleive is that the arabs dont want a resoluation....remember....they invaded Israel first, in the war of independence.....

But its the Palestinians that were driven out in 1948 that are the heart of the problem, not Egypt, Jordan and the rest. And none of this is happening within Israels borders, its in the occupied territories. Part of a peaceful solution is packing up and going back to the 1967 borders.


Of course its silly. I giggled to myself when I typed it. I didnt actually use it as a serious response in a heated logical debate.

Relax, its just a word...lol......

Its not the word but the intent behind it. Theres a vast and old number of offensive terms for Jews and all things related which I certainly wouldn't appreciate seeing flung around here by some passing knuckle dragger or Islamic anti-semite and theoretically they're "just words" too. They are Arabs.


Arab Jews are a little backward, due to not living in civilized societies for a long time, but their loyalties are right. They are not hate spitting, rioting, murdering barbarians...like their next door neighbors.......

When I bring up the bigotry against Sephardic Jews within Israel, people often are surprised, as its not something thats too widely known or reported on. Heres a rare "live" example above.

Aren't you the person who occasionally mentions their trip to the middle east and how you didn't like what you saw etc?

Israel and Germany have a good relationship. Part of the moral debt can never be cleared, and that is the part that entails the obligation to prevent such things from ever happening again.

I disagree. The moral debt is gone. When those responsible are dead, the moral debt is gone.