NationStates Jolt Archive


Chavs.

Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 22:01
:D Plent of Emo bashers out there.
Fact is we are interesting and damn hot too.
Cutting wrists is an awful stereotype and just gives people ideas.


CHAVS...
Find a single defence for them that isnt some "Its not their fault their so evil" bullshit.


If we exterminated the Chavs.

Less crime!
More style :D
Cleansing of the genepool. IT NEEDED TO BE SAID.
a purer language.
a purer culture.
a purer Britain!
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:02
Cutting wrists is an awful stereotype and just gives people ideas.

You forgot the bit where it's stupid and acheives nothing. ;)
Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 22:03
You forgot the bit where it's stupid and acheives nothing. ;)

Err yeh that too ;)
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 22:03
Sieg Heil!

*Straight arm salute*

Cleanse that Gene-pool!
Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 22:04
Sieg Heil!

*Straight arm salute*

Cleanse that Gene-pool!
If your British and you dont understand, your either one of them or a traitor.
Deltara
13-03-2006, 22:06
I once told a chav a chav joke... he aint best pleased, init?

Edit: This is what he means by a purer language.
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 22:07
If your British and you dont understand, your either one of them or a traitor.
Nein, mien Fuehrer, I am merely expressing my delight at your plan to finally free us from the tyranical oppresion of those hook-nosed, money-grabbing, immigrant chavs.

May your reign last for a thousand years!
Deltara
13-03-2006, 22:13
those hook-nosed, money-grabbing, immigrant chavs.

So stereotypical :rolleyes:
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:14
CHAVS...
Find a single defence for them that isnt some "Its not their fault their so evil" bullshit.


You know I don't think they really are evil. They're just confused.




















By long words.
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 22:14
So stereotypical :rolleyes:
(Psst; that's the point)
Anarchic Conceptions
13-03-2006, 22:17
Chavs!


Never before has class hatred been so fashionable.
Deltara
13-03-2006, 22:17
(Psst; that's the point)

Note for future reference... people tend to ignore sarcasm or do not spot it on internet forums. Common mistake.

You know I don't think they really are evil. They're just confused.

*snip big gap*

By long words.

lol
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:18
Chavs!


Never before has class hatred been so fasionable.

Sure it has. It's always been the done thing.
PsychoticDan
13-03-2006, 22:19
What's a Chav? :confused:
Skinny87
13-03-2006, 22:20
You know, if I replace the word 'Chav' with 'Jew' in the original post, it becomes very familiar and very frightening...
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 22:21
Note for future reference... people tend to ignore sarcasm or do not spot it on internet forums. Common mistake.
I would have thought putting it in the context of all of those nazi references would have made it somewhat obvious. I guess I'm mistaken. ^^;

You know, if I replace the word 'Chav' with 'Jew' in the original post, it becomes very familiar and very frightening...
See? This guy knows what I'm talking about.
Ollieland
13-03-2006, 22:22
Being a chav doesn't have anything to do with class, its about attitude. Namely, the attitude of not giving a fuck about anything or anybody, just caring about yourself and thinking the world owes you a living.
Deltara
13-03-2006, 22:23
You know, if I replace the word 'Chav' with 'Jew' in the original post, it becomes very familiar and very frightening...

It may be frightening, but lets face it, Chavs are more widely hated.

Anyway, its not like anyone is going to act on it, are they now? People would love to see a chav with a pole up their arse on London Bridge, but it wont happen...




Mind you, it could if it managed to boost the treasury by making it a London landmark. Nobody make a petition, please.
PsychoticDan
13-03-2006, 22:24
But what's a chav? :(
Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 22:24
"Noone will do anything." (grins)

(dons hood)
"MAHOK BROTHERS LETS HAVE US A LYNCHIN!"
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:26
You know, if I replace the word 'Chav' with 'Jew' in the original post, it becomes very familiar and very frightening...

Familiar as in you hear it a lot?
Anarchic Conceptions
13-03-2006, 22:27
But what's a chav? :(

A group of people that it is acceptable to hate. Like gypsies.
Skinny87
13-03-2006, 22:27
Familiar as in you hear it a lot?

Familiar as in it was heard a lot in Nazi Germany after 1933...
Deltara
13-03-2006, 22:29
A group of people that it is acceptable to hate. Like gypsies.

Well said!
Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 22:30
Well now.
Dont say its a Class thing.

BUuuUUullshit.
Chavs are Chavs because they have no aspiration to better themselves. As such they do not strive to make themselves... Human.

As such i am nowhere near as bad as a Nazi.
Chavs COULD but dont. As its ok to want to have them wiped out.
Ban Rap and R'n'B.
Anarchic Conceptions
13-03-2006, 22:31
Familiar as in it was heard a lot in Nazi Germany after 1933...

Seig Heil

http://www.rampantscotland.com/features/graphics/great_dictator5a.jpg
Dogburg II
13-03-2006, 22:31
Blah blah blah

Oh Mr. Intellectual Socialist, you're so tolerant of other subcultures and classes. What a great day it'll be when your lovely party gives everyone solidarity and helps us embrace differences.
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:31
Familiar as in it was heard a lot in Nazi Germany after 1933...

As opposed to the NAzi Germany that existed before 1933?
Drexel Hillsville
13-03-2006, 22:31
How about this...
You all get on with your differences instead of getting each other agitated through threads like these?
Deltara
13-03-2006, 22:32
Rap and R'n'B.

R'N'B is not really chav music, its what they call it. Its really some 70s rock melody with a rap over the top.

Also "rap" has a silent c.
Dogburg II
13-03-2006, 22:33
Well now.
Dont say its a Class thing.

BUuuUUullshit.
Chavs are Chavs because they have no aspiration to better themselves. As such they do not strive to make themselves... Human.


This is basically what the Russian nobility thought of the huge peasantry prior to the Revolution. Call yourself a socialist?


As such i am nowhere near as bad as a Nazi.
Chavs COULD but dont. As its ok to want to have them wiped out.
Ban Rap and R'n'B.

Hitler tried to ban swing.
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:34
R'N'B is not really chav music, its what they call it. Its really some 70s rock melody with a rap over the top.

Also "rap" has a silent c.

Then it's still rap, doofus. Crap is pronounced "crap"
Pantygraigwen
13-03-2006, 22:35
:D Plent of Emo bashers out there.
Fact is we are interesting and damn hot too.
Cutting wrists is an awful stereotype and just gives people ideas.


CHAVS...
Find a single defence for them that isnt some "Its not their fault their so evil" bullshit.


If we exterminated the Chavs.

Less crime!
More style :D
Cleansing of the genepool. IT NEEDED TO BE SAID.
a purer language.
a purer culture.
a purer Britain!


Chavs exist to buy pot and knocked off sports gear. This goes into the black economy. The black economy funds many things, including up and coming musical groups, who get paid "back pocket" kinda stuff. No up and coming musicians, no whiny emo fucks.

Yeah, go on, lets get rid of chavs.
Unogal
13-03-2006, 22:38
JEWS...
Find a single defence for them that isnt some "Its not their fault their so evil" bullshit.


If we exterminated the Jews.

Less crime!
More style :D
Cleansing of the genepool.
a purer language.
a purer culture.
a purer Germany!

Long live the fatherland! Di vander sint ya vulk!!!


The fact is you just can't go around 'exterminating people because you feel that they're inferior. Genocide is geoncide.
Drexel Hillsville
13-03-2006, 22:39
Why not just get over it?
People will always be different!
You will never have a place where there is just one kind of person!
Chavs are just as human as anyone!
If you disagree with that then why do you get pissed when they say the same thing about you?
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 22:39
Chavs COULD but dont. As its ok to want to have them wiped out.
Ban Rap and R'n'B.
Yes! In our Glorious Nation, our true culture will be preserved from the taint of immigrants! If people don't contribute to the greater good, we may have them removed!

*Sings*

"England, England, über alles,
Über alles in der Welt..."
Unogal
13-03-2006, 22:40
If your British and you dont understand, your either one of them or a traitor.
again, natzism
Skinny87
13-03-2006, 22:40
As opposed to the NAzi Germany that existed before 1933?

Quite. Pardon me for my grammatical mistake. Woe is me...
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:41
JEWS...
Find a single defence for them that isnt some "Its not their fault their so evil" bullshit.


If we exterminated the Jews.

Less crime!
More style :D
Cleansing of the genepool.
a purer language.
a purer culture.
a purer Germany!

Long live the fatherland! Di vander sint ya vulk!!!


The fact is you just can't go around 'exterminating people because you feel that they're inferior. Genocide is geoncide.

You're late to the uninteresting, cliched Nazi comparisons.

If you're an adult female, stay behind after the thread gets modified. Otherwise, who cares what you do?
Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 22:43
JEWS...
Find a single defence for them that isnt some "Its not their fault their so evil" bullshit.


If we exterminated the Jews.

Less crime!
More style :D
Cleansing of the genepool.
a purer language.
a purer culture.
a purer Germany!

Long live the fatherland! Di vander sint ya vulk!!!


The fact is you just can't go around 'exterminating people because you feel that they're inferior. Genocide is geoncide.

Genocide is the wrong word simply because genes arnt involved
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:43
Quite. Pardon me for my grammatical mistake. Woe is me...

**Exterminates**
Drexel Hillsville
13-03-2006, 22:43
Oh My Fecking God!!!
How about this?
You say Chavs suck and Chavs say you suck...
You both suck!!!
Dogburg II
13-03-2006, 22:44
Genocide is the wrong word simply because genes arnt involved

So killing millions is ok! Hurrah.
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:45
Oh My Fecking God!!!
How about this?
You say Chavs suck and Chavs say you suck...
You both suck!!!

I think EA actually does suck. Literally.
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 22:46
You're late to the uninteresting, cliched Nazi comparisons.
I know. He makes it too easy, really.
Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 22:47
So killing millions is ok! Hurrah.

(peers)
Communists should die, i assume you agree.

Nazi's should die i assume you agree.

Sex criminals should die very painfully i assume you agree.

Why not chavs?

They are:

Anti-Gay rights
Anti-Emo (Ive known a few to commit suicide cos of bullying, in my eyes they are murderers.)
Anti-GOFFIC. Nuff said. assholes the lot of em.

And they have no style or intelligence either.
The smartest chav ive met knew germany was east of france.
Others said north.:(
Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 22:48
I think EA actually does suck. Literally.

Im bisexual. Currently im with a GF but on occassion this would be an accurate statement to make. :p
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 22:48
Communists should die, i assume you agree.

Nazi's should die i assume you agree.

Sex criminals should die very painfully i assume you agree.

Why not chavs?
You're not helping the Nazi allusions, you know.
Drexel Hillsville
13-03-2006, 22:49
I think EA actually does suck. Literally.

I've been quoted on the General Board, my life is complete...
Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 22:49
You're not helping the Nazi allusions, you know.

I myself am a closet communist.

I just said "Communists should die" cos i know dogburg is a fervent anti-commie
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 22:49
I've been quoted on the General Board, my life is complete...
Well, then, enjoy the surplus! :D
DrunkenDove
13-03-2006, 22:51
(peers)
Communists should die, i assume you agree.

Nazi's should die i assume you agree.

Sex criminals should die very painfully i assume you agree.

Why not chavs?

They are:

Anti-Gay rights
Anti-Emo (Ive known a few to commit suicide cos of bullying, in my eyes they are murderers.)
Anti-GOFFIC. Nuff said. assholes the lot of em.

And they have no style or intelligence either.
The smartest chav ive met knew germany was east of france.
Others said north.:(

You're right! Or at least would be if any of you're assumptions were right. Which they aren't.
Dogburg II
13-03-2006, 22:51
(peers)
Communists should die, i assume you agree.

Nazi's should die i assume you agree.

Sex criminals should die very painfully i assume you agree.


No, NO, NO!

I don't support killing anyone you nutter!
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 22:52
I myself am a closet communist.

I just said "Communists should die" cos i know dogburg is a fervent anti-commie
That's not the point. It's the whole "It's okay to kill certain groups of people" thing. Even Pedophiles and Nazis deserve a little bit of sympathy for what scrap of humanity they retain. Who are we to decide who lives and dies?
Call to power
13-03-2006, 22:52
why can't we all be non-conformists like everyone else?

how many emo’s does it take to screw in a light bulb? none they'd rather sit in the dark and cry
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:52
Im bisexual. Currently im with a GF but on occassion this would be an accurate statement to make. :p

Awesome.
Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 22:54
why can't we all be non-conformists like everyone else?

how many emo’s does it take to screw in a light bulb? none they'd rather sit in the dark and cry

Two chavs have a race off a cliff, whos the winner?
A chav drives a sedan over a cliff, why is it a shame?



































Society.
A sedan can fit at least 20 in there.
Unogal
13-03-2006, 22:54
Genocide is the wrong word simply because genes arnt involved
geno is the greek word for group. Genocide is the systematic extermination of a social, racial, political, religious or ethnic group. Geoncide is the right word.
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:55
how many emo’s does it take to screw in a light bulb? none they'd rather sit in the dark and cry

How many fat people does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None. Fat people don't get laid.
Dogburg II
13-03-2006, 22:55
I just said "Communists should die" cos i know dogburg is a fervent anti-commie

Part of the reason I'm an anti-commie is because historical socialist and communist leaders HAVE advocated "x should die" where x is whatever political, social or racial label happens to be hated!

(before you say it, I know they weren't true communists.)
Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 22:56
geno is the greek word for group. Genocide is the systematic extermination of a social, racial, political, religious or ethnic group. Geoncide is the right word.
Really?
Well you learn something new everyday.

Fine.
Yes i am a supporter of Genocide when it is applied to certain groups who have a CHOICE.
Genocide because of race is like "Wtf?"
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 22:57
How many fat people does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None. Fat people don't get laid.
Couldn't fit them in the lightbulb even if they did.
Unogal
13-03-2006, 22:57
(peers)
Communists should die, i assume you agree.

Nazi's should die i assume you agree.

Sex criminals should die very painfully i assume you agree.

So basically, anyone who disagrees with your ideals deservews death? Your idea that Chavs should die is fallacious because its based on a false set of peremises; that your ideals are 'correct' and that those who do not conform to the correct ideal have so little value that they intrisicly do not deserve life.

So no, I do not agree
Dogburg II
13-03-2006, 22:57
Yes i am a supporter of Genocide when it is applied to certain groups who have a CHOICE.
Genocide because of race is like "Wtf?"

Religion is a choice. Should supporters of certain religions be up for genocide?
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:58
Couldn't fit them in the lightbulb even if they did.

I was funnier
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 22:59
Religion is a choice. Should supporters of certain religions be up for genocide?

Chavists?
Unogal
13-03-2006, 22:59
Couldn't fit them in the lightbulb even if they did.
Nor could regular people I would think...
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 23:01
I was funnier
It was more a sort of a wry poke on my part. I just needed something to prevent me from making another Nazi reference, which would inevitably have happened otherwise.
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 23:03
It was more a sort of a wry poke on my part. I just needed something to prevent me from making another Nazi reference, which would inevitably have happened otherwise.

I was still funnier:p
Call to power
13-03-2006, 23:03
How many fat people does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None. Fat people don't get laid.

how many Irishmen does it take to screw in a light bulb?

2 one to hold the bulb the other to drink till the room spins round
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 23:07
I was still funnier:p
Yes.
Batuni
13-03-2006, 23:14
I would suggest you improve your own grasp of the language before advocating a 'purer' one.


Really?
Yes i am a supporter of Genocide when it is applied to certain groups who have a CHOICE.

Thereby removing the right to actually have a choice.
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 23:15
I would suggest you improve your own grasp of the language before advocating a 'purer' one.

Oooh, burn.
Europa alpha
13-03-2006, 23:20
I would suggest you improve your own grasp of the language before advocating a 'purer' one.




Thereby removing the right to actually have a choice.

Oh your gay butt you goffic innit? omfg your gay butt, wanna snog?

Yeh, mines SLIIiiIightly better than that.
Batuni
13-03-2006, 23:26
Oh your gay butt you goffic innit? omfg your gay butt, wanna snog?

Yeh, mines SLIIiiIightly better than that.


Never a truer word.
Dogburg II
13-03-2006, 23:29
Yeh, mines SLIIiiIightly better than that.

You're still a poor speller, judging by your performance in your other thread.

However, even if you had a PhD in English Language, you wouldn't be qualified to dictate who should live or die.
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-03-2006, 23:32
However, even if you had a PhD in English Language, you wouldn't be qualified to dictate who should live or die.

So what would qualify someone to decide that?
Kamsaki
13-03-2006, 23:38
So what would qualify someone to decide that?
The ability to rectify such decisions?

Wait, scratch that. That'd have the necromancers in power. Bad idea.
The blessed Chris
13-03-2006, 23:48
A group of people that it is acceptable to hate. Like gypsies.

Oh please, both are degenerate scum....
Drexel Hillsville
13-03-2006, 23:52
I have a question...

What makes you so superior to Chavs that they deserve death and you don't? If anything, this thread makes you moke deserving of death in my opinion...
Potato jack
14-03-2006, 13:52
(peers)
Communists should die, i assume you agree.

Nazi's should die i assume you agree.

Sex criminals should die very painfully i assume you agree.

Why not chavs?

They are:

Anti-Gay rights
Anti-Emo (Ive known a few to commit suicide cos of bullying, in my eyes they are murderers.)
Anti-GOFFIC. Nuff said. assholes the lot of em.

And they have no style or intelligence either.
The smartest chav ive met knew germany was east of france.
Others said north.:(


Why shouldn't we kill all the emo's??

Because they do it for us!!!!:D
BogMarsh
14-03-2006, 14:34
Well now....

In other words, the opposition seems to think that chavs are just misunderstood, but way down inside, good, solid, conformist nine to fivers?
Krensonia
14-03-2006, 15:45
On a serious note....

Chavs, in my definition are those "bling bling" people who like rappers as 50cent and think its cool to be player and to have women "working" for you etc. I think you should have the freedom to be who you want to be. And in that perspective I also have my freedom to express my opinion of those people.

These chavs are just the result of MTV which is widely popular and feeds the youth with wrong and bad information and also gives them (an imo) a wrong look on life and society. Chavs are also the biggest trouble makers around in a city and school. Thinking that everyone who doesnt wear this "nike" or "adidas" sportjack isnt cool, and that a person like that should be grouped upon and be beaten up. They are TV drones. Their only goal in live is to be popular and liked by all through false achievements which mean nothing besides in their world.

Nobody is perfect in his/her time of puberty, but I think that, of all types of people. the chavs need to learn that there is actually a tough world outside there when their schoolperiod ends. And that all their actions in their teenage years will heavily influence their future live. I speak from experience, being 14 years myself.
Dogburg II
14-03-2006, 21:26
So what would qualify someone to decide that?

Nothing at all.
Imperiux
14-03-2006, 21:28
:D Plent of Emo bashers out there.
Fact is we are interesting and damn hot too.
Cutting wrists is an awful stereotype and just gives people ideas.


CHAVS...
Find a single defence for them that isnt some "Its not their fault their so evil" bullshit.


If we exterminated the Chavs.

Less crime!
More style :D
Cleansing of the genepool. IT NEEDED TO BE SAID.
a purer language.
a purer culture.
a purer Britain!

You seem a bit admiring of aryanism. Good for you. I agree. Chavs are the destroyer of a proper natonal Identity.
Kamsaki
14-03-2006, 21:31
In other words, the opposition seems to think that chavs are just misunderstood, but way down inside, good, solid, conformist nine to fivers?
Not at all. Their general nature is easy enough to spot. We just think they're misguided; not an irreparable scourge that must be cleansed.
Ifreann
14-03-2006, 21:41
So what would qualify someone to decide that?

Being Chuck Norris.
Evil little boys
14-03-2006, 21:45
meh, punks still rule.




If they're not drunk
Infinite Revolution
14-03-2006, 22:30
Being a chav doesn't have anything to do with class, its about attitude. Namely, the attitude of not giving a fuck about anything or anybody, just caring about yourself and thinking the world owes you a living.
this could be said of 'yahs' at university too - for anyone that doesn't know, theyr the ones who went to public school, have apartments bought for them in the posh parts of town, live off credit cards paid for by mummy or daddy, and expect to get a job in the city and/or at mummy or daddy's company as soon as they finish uni.

but the thing is i know yahs and chavs/neds that are perfectly pleasant and reasonable people its just unfortunate that when a few individuals that fit the stereotypical appearence of yahs or chavs so they are easily recognisable do something objectionable a whole group of people who dress/speak a certain way get a reputation for obnoxious behaviour. when a 'normal' person does anything objectionable nobody is able to pin point a particular group - unless you're old and then it's: "young people today! you would see people people behaving like that in my day."
Lionstone
14-03-2006, 22:33
I would not say genocide though, mainly because its such a waste of manpower. Arresting them for the crimes they DO commit might be a start.

When you need to shoot lots of people to solve a problem its too late anyway.

If the age of arrestability (I know that is not the correct word, hell, it's probably made up) was lowered and people actually PUNISHED when they did wrong. There would not be so many utter knobheads going around.


Also, it depends on your definition of a chav, I have spent many a happy day with a bunch of mates wandering around with a few cans of superlager. I am proud to say I have never started a fight or vandalised anything or broken into anyones house to steal a TV to feed a drugs habit.

Underage drinking and urinating in public are another story....



Just punish children when they do wrong, if their parents wont then the state should. And punish the adults for being so bloody irresponsible.
Gauthier
14-03-2006, 23:01
Being a chav doesn't have anything to do with class, its about attitude. Namely, the attitude of not giving a fuck about anything or anybody, just caring about yourself and thinking the world owes you a living.

Going by that definition, the Bush Administration and its supporters/worshippers are a bunch of chavs. Chavs in power!!

:eek:
Drexel Hillsville
14-03-2006, 23:26
This type of thread only makes Chavs hate you more wich in turn makes more threads like this turn up...

It is a circle of idiotic events!
The Sutured Psyche
15-03-2006, 00:17
:D Plent of Emo bashers out there.
Fact is we are interesting and damn hot too.
Cutting wrists is an awful stereotype and just gives people ideas.


CHAVS...
Find a single defence for them that isnt some "Its not their fault their so evil" bullshit.


If we exterminated the Chavs.

Less crime!
More style :D
Cleansing of the genepool. IT NEEDED TO BE SAID.
a purer language.
a purer culture.
a purer Britain!


Not to piss on the parade, but have you ever thought of...oh....I dunno....growing up?

Here we are at the umpteenth thread about how much chavs suck and how cool/hot/superior emos are. Ok, we get it, you've an intense need to put your teenage social group on a pedestal. I cannot imagine a pursuit more masturbatory than fashionista-based warfare(well, maybe posting on an internet forum ;) ). I know, it seems like a huge deal when you're 14, but its just clothes and peergroups.

As for the bullying, I've little sympathy. Yours is not the first generation in which the tough and dumb beat up on the artst but weak crowd. I dealt with it because I was a Goth when Columbine happened, my parents dealt with it because they were hippies during Vietnam. Get off your cross, kid.
Drexel Hillsville
15-03-2006, 01:30
Not to piss on the parade, but have you ever thought of...oh....I dunno....growing up?

Here we are at the umpteenth thread about how much chavs suck and how cool/hot/superior emos are. Ok, we get it, you've an intense need to put your teenage social group on a pedestal. I cannot imagine a pursuit more masturbatory than fashionista-based warfare(well, maybe posting on an internet forum ;) ). I know, it seems like a huge deal when you're 14, but its just clothes and peergroups.

As for the bullying, I've little sympathy. Yours is not the first generation in which the tough and dumb beat up on the artst but weak crowd. I dealt with it because I was a Goth when Columbine happened, my parents dealt with it because they were hippies during Vietnam. Get off your cross, kid.

I agree with you man...