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Welcome to the Democratic Socialist Party


CONTACT THREADMASTER VIA E-MAIL: awongca@gmail.com

Updated: April 7th, 2006

Click here to visit the old DSP thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418666)

Legislation procedural rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=426484)

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon2.gif 3rd NS General Parliament (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474128)

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http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gifOur 2006 Manifesto / Election Platform

The State must protect the rights of its citizens, as set out in the Universal Declaration Of Human Rights.

The Democratic Socialist party believes in the democratic way of reaching the socialist state, a state in which unnecessary suffering will be a thing of the past and in which the freedom to live one’s life as one chooses will be a reality, not just rhetoric.

However, we also realise that this state can not be reached quickly. Peace can not be achieved through violence, freedom not through control. Therefore we see our mandate as setting a natural course for human development, and making our way to utopia as pleasurable as possible.

Social Issues

The aged of a society are a valuable resource of experience. They also represent all our futures, and therefore we believe that social security should be made available to all. Of course, individuals are also free to additionally provide for their own futures as well.

Healthcare shall be funded by the state and available to all.

We support the right of every individual in the country to get decent and affordable healthcare. We are aware that the government controlling the industry is inefficient and has in the past led to inferior outcomes.

Therefore, we plan to allow doctors to operate in the normal legal framework as they wish. The government will not interfere with pricing until collusion or other illegal activities take place.

However, we will subsidise the use of healthcare by providing customers with government funds. The government will be paying a large share of standard procedures. This will allow even the poorest to attain a decent quality of healthcare, but also allow doctors to set their own prices. The higher they set their prices, the less business they will get, but if they set prices close to the level of government subsidy, they will have a steady flow of income. We expect a corrected market like this to function efficiently and effectively.

Public Transport, Energy Supply, Water Supply and Education are provided by the state to ensure that the cost to the citizen matches the cost of providing those services.

The education system will be run on a state-provided voucher system, which will reconcile the goal of affordable education for all with the ability of the free market to provide appropriate quality.

The government will continue to run public schools. However, those who wish to let their kids attend a private school may do so.

We will use a fixed amount of funds per individual as investment in the future. Parents can choose to either use those funds by sending their children to a public school and not pay fees, or sending their kids to a private school, where they will be supported with a voucher system (a voucher being worth the equivalent of attending a public school) but will have to pay the additional costs themselves.

Private Schools will still have to adhere to a standardised curriculum and a code of conduct. But importantly, if they can compete with and improve over the public schools in terms of quality of education and efficiency of fund allocation, they are bound to succeed, leaving the whole of society with a better outcome.

Communication Services will be provided privately, to ensure that they are appropriately up to date and competitive, but will be subsidised by the state to ensure fair pricing.

In the modern globalised workplace, it has become increasingly obvious that people will change jobs often, and not always voluntarily. In order to allow the process of switching to be as painless and effective as possible, welfare benefits are provided for the unemployed, but decreased with time, and combined with reskilling opportunities. Long-term disabled members of society are eligible for more extensive welfare provisions.

We defend workers' rights and freedoms. Workers should be guaranteed job security, benefits such as healthcare and workers' compensation, safety, a right to bargain, and a right to form labour unions.

We are strongly against outsourcing to low cost foreign labour markets.

For labour unions, union finances must be ethically accountable. That way union leaders don't take advantage of the money and protects workers from being priced out of a job.

The overuse of drugs is a plight on society. Our strategy will however not consist of using coercive power by outlawing substances, nor on targeting supply. Instead, we will legalise soft drugs like Marihuana so they can be sold in safe concentrations by licensed vendors to individuals of legal age.
Hard drugs on the other hand will only be handed out in government centres to those already certified addicted, for free and in supervised conditions. This will allow doctors to not only prevent overdosing and the spread of diseases, but also to help individuals beat their addictions. To prevent new addictions, education campaigns will be run, while the suppliers gradually run out of funds and go out of business.

Economy

As far as specific microeconomic policies are concerned, we believe that neither statism nor the free market can provide a "one size fits all" solution. Every reform must be judged on its merits, using extensive cost-benefit analyses - taking into account non-monetary costs, such as pollution, income inequality or the eradication of individual liberties.

As with all our policies, we thus advocate the use of pragmatic, rather than ideological solutions to economic problems.

We promote a progressive tax system. Most, if not all, wealthy members of society would not have reached their goals if it wasn’t for the people around them. Also considering the theory of diminishing marginal returns on income, we thus believe that a simple, but progressive taxation system is a fair one.

Taxes will be high enough to fund public services, but low enough to allow companies to be competitive on the global market.

Recognising that technology is of high value, the state will encourage technical businesses geared toward export, and will provide the appropriate education/training.

Small businesses and entrepreneurs should be encouraged and monopolies discouraged. For this purpose, a consumer protection agency will monitor and sometimes prevent practices that are considered to lead to collusion.

Regarding The Electoral System / Government

The founding of separate, independent political parties should be encouraged by the state.

Free, publicly funded elections should be held every four years using proportional representation. All parties will be provided with state funds to run their campaigns, private donations cannot exceed $10,000.

The Party supports decentralisation of government. The central government shall concern itself with issues that affect us all, not with local issues that would be better handled by the people directly affected.

The state and religious groups will be kept separate. The DSP tolerates and respects religious persuasions, but will not favour religion over non-religion and will never condone the use of public property for religious purposes.

The Environment

Ratification of the Kyoto protocol. The agreement stands for the first step towards a multinational fight against global warming and environmental degradation. While realising its imperfections, it is nonetheless an important issue to support.

Investments in alternative sources will be encouraged. The use of renewable energy sources is the long term goal (nuclear fusion in particular), with nuclear power encouraged in the short term.

We support the use of pollution trading schemes, that allow companies to buy and sell licenses for certain emissions. Since there will only be a limited number of licenses issued by the government, the total will be kept at a determined level, but the market can determine where pollution reductions are most efficient.


Foreign Policy

We support active participation in the UN. For all its imperfections, the United Nations still represents the best framework for multilateral solutions for international problems. Good reform plans will be supported, but the sabotage of the UN for this purpose is not a viable method.

Military spending will be kept to roughly 2% of GDP. This will allow the nation to engage in peacekeeping missions and the protection of human rights abroad. However, the nation shall not engage in unilateral attacks on other nations without UN-approval.

Immigration Policy

We support gradual abolition of Immigration Policies, and the borders with neighbouring countries. We acknowledge that in the real world, immigration policies have their use, but we do not believe that being born in a particular country should give extraordinary rights to any individual. Thus immigration is considered a good thing, to be encouraged and made easier.

Thus the goal is to have free open borders, but new citizens must fit certain criteria;
• Provided language and culture courses must be completed
• Must be an active worker for at least 1 year
This will do a great deal to allow immigrants to integrate and accept their new home.

Judicial

Capital punishment is not acceptable under any circumstances.

We support an international criminal court as we believe that only an international court can be neutral and fair in cases involving multiple nationalities.

Equality Issues

Equality between the sexes is a hallmark of our view of society.

We consider a woman’s right to choose over her own body and future vital, therefore the right to an abortion is a right that cannot be denied by the state. This is further supported by the knowledge that outlawing abortion will only lead to illegal, more dangerous operations being performed.

Marriage between two consenting adults of the same sex is a fundamental right and will be permitted.

Revised March 16th, 2006 by Neu Leonstein and TCR

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Please feel free to make any suggestions/additions/criticisms you feel are appropriate.

Many thanks to all contributors. ;)

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http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gifLegislation

Bill 01 - The Elections Act: First Reading (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476636), Second Reading / Amendments (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477024), Third Reading (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478842), PASSED - Introduced by TCR


http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gifOur Members of Parliament

The Chinese Republics
Neu Leonstein
Rhovaniar
Argesia
Fleckenstein
Achtung 45
Maineiacs


http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gifOur party members

Achtung 45
Argesia
Avarhierrim
Cool Dynasty 42
Deleuze
Ekathora
Fleckenstein
Green Swan
Knootoss
Maineiacs
Malden and Everon
Maraque
Native Quiggles II
Neu Leonstein
Rhovaniar
Spaam
Swimmingpool
The Chinese Republics
The odd one (Founder)
The Psyker
United Tribes Cacitate
Uzb3kistan
Vintovia
Zralos

I think I joined this one the first time around, but changed my mind the second election and voted UDCP; you should probably take me off the list, considering that I intend to do the same this election.

I think I joined this one the first time around, but changed my mind the second election and voted UDCP; you should probably take me off the list, considering that I intend to do the same this election.
We'll probably restart the list anyway. Most of the people on that list are either inactive, or I never heard of them. :D

Go ahead and count me in. The platform sounds mighty good. The only thing I'll disagree with though is capital punishment, but that's minor.

done and done ;)

Anybody want a DSP sticker?
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gif

So what do you think of our intro / manifesto post?

Should I make any changes ;)

So what do you think of our intro / manifesto post?

Should I make any changes to the post? ;)
Yes. For the love of god, edit the image links!

Or maybe I'll just set it to display pics.

Looks pretty wierd without the "Show Images" enabled. :p

Chinese Republics, you have a telegram.

Done and done ;)

So what do you think Neu Leonstein?

Done and done ;)
Ah, much better.

Neu Leonstein read my mind ;)

(I think) :confused:

So what do you think Neu Leonstein?
Excellent. Thanks.

I'm curious. Do we have a party leader? :confused:

I'm curious. Do we have a party leader? :confused:
I suppose not. But then, do we really need one? We are a popular party, not the brainchild of any single person.

At any rate, I'll send TGs to everyone on that list, and we'll see who comes back.

I suppose not. But then, do we really need one? We are a popular party, not the brainchild of any single person.

At any rate, I'll send TGs to everyone on that list, and we'll see who comes back.Well, we can run this party without a leader but we can run this party as a team.

Btw, I believe most of our members are coming back.

edit: The odd one is still around. ;)

Well, we can run this party without a leader but we can run this party as a team.

Btw, I believe most of our members are coming back.

edit: The odd one is still around. ;)
Well, it seems as though we're the only active members...in this thread, at least

We'll probably restart the list anyway. Most of the people on that list are either inactive, or I never heard of them. :D

Which one applies to me? ;)

Which one applies to me? ;)
Yay! You're back.

ooh, ooh, ooh, pick me, pick me!!

can i join?

one question: capital punishment. if not, none of that rehab shit. people don't change that much.

Which one applies to me? ;)
Right on, you're back! http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif


can i join?
You're in! ;)

one question: capital punishment. if not, none of that rehab shit. people don't change that much.Some people do change, take Tookie Williams for example. Tookie was a notorious gangster, then he changed into an anti-gang activist and a children's book author. Sadly it was not enough to convince Arnold Schwarzenegger to grant clemency to Tookie.

You're in! ;)

hmm. i grow suspicious of your winking.

meh. now i feel like i'm part of a group.

hmm. i grow suspicious of your winking.

meh. now i feel like i'm part of a group.

lol. btw, check out our members list.

lol. btw, check out our members list.

saw it. thanks.

*goes off to brainwa-....recruit members*

saw it. thanks.

*goes off to brainwa-....recruit members*
Recruit? Nah, we're not an army here. :p

People can feel free to join our party, we don't force people join.

Recruit? Nah, we're not an army here. :p

People can feel free to join our party, we don't force people join.

kidding, kidding. changed my sig though.

does anyone else see the resemblance between NSDAP and NSDSP?

i thought we might have shaved our heads there for a second!

does anyone else see the resemblance between NSDAP and NSDSP?

i thought we might have shaved our heads there for a second!
I never thought of that. I did however see resemblence between the AACP and the AARP and figured I didn't want to be in a party with a bunch of old people, thus I came here.

I never thought of that. I did however see resemblence between the AACP and the AARP and figured I didn't want to be in a party with a bunch of old people, thus I came here.

heh. old people vs. nazis in an election.

old people-> cookies, cooking, wisdom

nazis-> they will kill you for speaking out

hmm. hard decision!

does anyone else see the resemblance between NSDAP and NSDSP?

i thought we might have shaved our heads there for a second!Whoa! Didn't really notice that. :eek:

Our name is actually "DSP" without the "NS". I have no clue why I added the "NS" in the logo design, maybe because it looks good. :p

"DSP" and "NSDSP", same thing...

heh. old people vs. nazis in an election.

old people-> cookies, cooking, wisdom

nazis-> they will kill you for speaking out

hmm. hard decision!

hmm, might as well go with the old people. :D

Whoa! Didn't really notice that. :eek:

Our name is actually "DSP" without the "NS". I have no clue why I added the "NS" in the logo design, maybe because it looks good. :p

"DSP" and "NSDSP", same thing...
mmmm, Digital Sound Processing, fun stuff!

Did anyone notice that there's a near copycat party in NS General? :rolleyes:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10572090#post10572090

Did anyone notice that there's a near copycat party in NS General? :rolleyes:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10572090#post10572090

This calls for the job of. . .

Totally Obvious Man!

can we push to have this formally shot down? i mean, we've been around longer, are more stable, and are approved. what gives?

(alright i haven't been here long, but still!)

EDIT: wow, big pic. sorry!

I do not agree with several of those points. An International Criminal Court would infringe on a nations soverignty. Thus making "Nations" obsolete and force the world to conform to one governing body more powerful than the UN.

I do not agree with several of those points. An International Criminal Court would infringe on a nations soverignty. Thus making "Nations" obsolete and force the world to conform to one governing body more powerful than the UN.

if its simply a court with enforcing powers, nothing infringes countries. maybe if there was a multinational lawmaking body, then it'd be out of line.

oh, and has anyone checked the polls thread? we seem to be in the lead.

I'm predicting DSP minority.

I'm sorry that I haven't been active. Please keep me on the list of members. Read the manifesto, and I find nothing to disagree with. Good job.

I'm predicting DSP minority.

with who as majority? i mean, we could push for a coalition, but still, we could do it.

I'm sorry that I haven't been active. Please keep me on the list of members. Read the manifesto, and I find nothing to disagree with. Good job.Thanks, you should give credit to Neu Leonstein, he revised our current manifesto. Also, what do you think of our new DSP thread?

Btw, welcome back!!! ;)

with who as majority? i mean, we could push for a coalition, but still, we could do it.Well there are two communist parties. If we found a common ground with them, then yes we can form a coalition with them.

Well there are two communist parties. If we found a common ground with them, then yes we can form a coalition with them.

would that give us majority? plus, what could we agree on, vaguely? i'm not sure of their positions.

Well, I'll check out their manifestos later on.

I do not agree with several of those points. An International Criminal Court would infringe on a nations soverignty. Thus making "Nations" obsolete and force the world to conform to one governing body more powerful than the UN.
Well, you'll notice that we added the qualifier "in cases involving multiple nationalities". That means that initially, an ICC would not bother with all cases, but just those in which various nationalities are involved and in which the fairness of the court is therefore to be questioned.

But there is no denying it, we are in favour of multinational over domestic solutions.

Well, I'll check out their manifestos later on.

looking, well, perusing the UDCP manifesto, we do have a lot in common with them. i'm sure we could each bend some planks in the platform to bring us together.

with them, we could be able to dominate the parliament.

Well, looks like Jolt restored our thread.

Well, looks like Jolt restored our thread.

w00t!

we should start forming links for a coalition. UDCP, MLP could help us, especially UDCP.

we should start forming links for a coalition. UDCP, MLP could help us, especially UDCP.
I don't see MLP helping. It is DHomme's brainchild, and he never was much for anything but violent revolution. So I don't see a coalition there...indeed, it's been pretty good so far in that the two parties haven't really attacked each other yet. You should've seen previous elections.

UDCP is another matter, although they want to eliminate the free market and take control of the economy, and I am absolutely and completely against that. I study Economics, and it's just a huge mistake, and a coalition with them might just serve to scare moderate voters away from us and towards the conservatives or NSCL.

UDCP is another matter, although they want to eliminate the free market and take control of the economy, and I am absolutely and completely against that. I study Economics, and it's just a huge mistake, and a coalition with them might just serve to scare moderate voters away from us and towards the conservatives or NSCL.

okay then, what are our chances of majority and/or moving more centrist to gain the vote?

okay then, what are our chances of majority and/or moving more centrist to gain the vote?
At the moment, without Melkor's Party, the only ones we might have to worry about is NSCL. Much of General likes the idea of minimalist government, and if I recall correctly, they won the first election, but didn't run for the second.

The Conservatives don't have a stance on a number of issues, probably because they haven't really defined what they mean by conservative (ie Neo-Cons? Traditionalists? Minarchists? Moralists?) And at any rate, the voter profile is not one that will vote for them, unless they really try and go down the road of "we keep government out of people's lives!" And if they do that, they split the vote with the NSCL.

I would think that, judging by the last two elections, without a party like Melkor's which can run on personality, we are set to be the strongest party.

I hereby withdraw my membership.

You're a bit too much to the left for me nowadays. Besides, I always liked the ESP :p

I hereby withdraw my membership.

You're a bit too much to the left for me nowadays. Besides, I always liked the ESP :p
keeping true to your sig, i see :p

keeping true to your sig, i see :p

Oooh, humor. I like it, I'll stick around for a bit then :D

I hereby withdraw my membership. You're a bit too much to the left for me nowadays.
Very well. Sad to see you go.

And there I was, already thinking that we are the most Centrist Party running.

Anyways, I'm thinking that we should maybe slow down the propaganda machine a little. It might be off-putting to have one of our banners there every third post. Let's just make it one per page.

And to make sure, I propose that only TCR post them. The rest of us can just attack and debate points put forward by others.

And to make sure, I propose that only TCR post them. The rest of us can just attack and debate points put forward by others.

*sniff* alright *sniff*

no really though, sounds good. although i liked being snooty under the banner. . . .

right on ;)

Very well. Sad to see you go.

And there I was, already thinking that we are the most Centrist Party running.

I heard the classic libs are running again. Not sure.

I hereby withdraw my membership.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....

:(

I heard the classic libs are running again. Not sure.
They probably are. VO2 will take care of that, and they are close to what might be called centrist on NSG. But in reality, a government like theirs, which is mostly libertarian, is probably not in the mainstream.

We'll see.

I'm by no means the offical spokesperson for the MLP, but I think that it'd be beneficial to all if all parties had a debate. We could have voters submit questions and we answer them. It's just a chance to hash out our differences you could say.

We could have voters submit questions and we answer them. It's just a chance to hash out our differences you could say.
Good idea. Will you start a seperate thread?

Good idea. Will you start a seperate thread?
Sure.

I think we should add to the manifesto these points:

Under Social Issues:
The overuse of drugs is a plight on society. Our strategy will however not consist of using coercive power by outlawing substances, nor on targeting supply. Instead, we will legalise soft drugs like Marihuana so they can be sold in safe concentrations by licensed vendors to individuals of legal age.
Hard drugs on the other hand will only be handed out in government centres to those already certified addicted, for free and in supervised conditions. This will allow doctors to not only prevent overdosing and the spread of diseases, but also to help individuals beat their addictions. To prevent new addictions, education campaigns will be run, while the suppliers gradually run out of funds and go out of business.

Under Environment:
We support the use of pollution trading schemes, that allow companies to buy and sell licenses for certain emissions. Since there will only be a limited number of licenses issued by the government, the total will be kept at a determined level, but the market can determine where pollution reductions are most efficient.

If anyone disagrees, feel free to say so and we'll find a compromise. :)

added ;)

NSCP's new t-shirt :rolleyes:

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9246/alteredshirt7xq.png

do they really care about people?

bump

We always seek new members...feel free to join! :)

bumpitybumpitybumpitybumpbumpbumpbumpbump
Bump-nanza!

come on we need new members! ones that are real!

Hey I read the manifesto and I like what I see. Count me in.

Hey I read the manifesto and I like what I see. Count me in.
Welcome. :)

You're in Rhovaniar. ;)

Check out our members list.

You're in Rhovaniar. ;)

Check out our members list.

HUZZAH! Thanks to Fleckenstein for telling me about this party. :)

Feel free to join our party people. ;)

Feel free to join our party people. ;)

what? my creative bump netted one?
i was useful (for once)

what? my creative bump netted one?
i was useful (for once)No, you're still useful. ;)

No, you're still useful. ;)

what, for being the party-funded-but-not-party-affiliated other party basher?
and screwing the whole 'smooth campaign'?

wait, that's a real job:p

what, for being the party-funded-but-not-party-affiliated other party basher?
and screwing the whole 'smooth campaign'?

wait, that's a real job:p
Nah, we were having a smooth campaign until this idiot:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10575366&postcount=208

Valori is a freakin' idiot, The Mower is a friggin copycat, and Blu-Tac... probably hiding in the bush.

Nah, we were having a smooth campaign until this idiot:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10575366&postcount=208


i think i once 'mis-attributed' (if that's a word) him as 'The Retarded'.

no one noticed! :p

he misquoted you though. he asked about our smooth, positve campaign. you never said we were positive. :p

i think i once 'mis-attributed' (if that's a word) him as 'The Retarded'.

no one noticed! :p

he misquoted you though. he asked about our smooth, positve campaign. you never said we were positive. :pyeah, I didn't notice it either.

I thought I did say "smooth, positive campaign", in fact I only said "smooth campaign". Thanks for pointing that out, you're my hero. :D

I want to join!

Welcome Maraque, you are officially added in our members list. ;)

Thanks. :eek:

So continuing from the election thread...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10583405&postcount=395

I still believe that healthcare should be a public service, not a for-profit business making money on the sick.
I suppose that's a question of morality. I consider myself a relativist in most issues, and ultimately, as long as both sides are capable of engaging in the exchange (which is where I see the role of government in this), both sides will profit from it and be happy.

But I know some people willing to spend more money for better healthcare, so I think private clinics should be regulated. My consern about two-tier healthcare is that private healthcare will attract doctors from the public system, leaving doctor shortage in public hospitals and ordinary people won't get a decent healthcare they deserve.
I read this article recently, and it sort of opened my eyes...you can't force people to do a six or seven year degree, and them make them live on bad wages. They won't stand for it, and probably rightly so.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,399537,00.html

What about our views on post-secondary education?
I suppose the question is whether we want the more leftist stance, ie the government pays for it (which can be very expensive and require higher taxes), or the more centrist way, which is for the government to provide loans with an interest equal to inflation, as it's done here in Australia.

That way the student sees some sort of personal responsibility, because being there costs him/her something, but it doesn't exclude anyone from going to uni if they want to.

And I guess it makes sense to then charge different amounts for different degrees, ie a law degree means you have to borrow more money than a nursing course.

You're right on #2, on #1, I still think we shouldn't profit on healthcare but we can discuss this after the election.

As for post-education, I agree with you. I believe we should make post-secondary education affordable by lower or freeze tuition fees. Also we should offer financial aids like (like you said) student loans and scholarship programs.

quick question: what's our stance on unions? i don't see anything in the manifesto (okay, i didn't look that hard :) ).

i'll wait for an answer before i rant, er, describe my views! yeah, that one!

quick question: what's our stance on unions? i don't see anything in the manifesto (okay, i didn't look that hard :) ).

i'll wait for an answer before i rant, er, describe my views! yeah, that one!If I'm going to add this to the manifesto, it'll be DSP supports workers' right to form unions. In addition to this, I think we should defend workers rights and freedom, guarantee job security, and against outsourcing to cheap foreign labour markets.

Btw, should I add this to the manifesto:

In revising the DSP's manifesto I have taken a lot of care to learn from the mistakes made both by Socialist and Social Market Economies in the past. I incorporated plans by people like Milton Friedman (OMFG! Teh Commies!!!11!).

On Healthcare:
We support the right of every individual in the country to get decent and affordable healthcare. We are aware that the government controlling the industry is inefficient and has in the past led to inferior outcomes.

Therefore, we plan to allow doctors to operate in the normal legal framework as they wish. The government will not interfere with pricing until collusion or other illegal activities take place.

However, we will subsidise the use of healthcare by providing customers with government funds. The government will be paying a large share of standard procedures. This will allow even the poorest to attain a decent quality of healthcare, but also allow doctors to set their own prices. The higher they set their prices, the less business they will get, but if they set prices close to the level of government subsidy, they will have a steady flow of income. We expect a corrected market like this to function efficiently and effectively.

On Education:
The government will continue to run public schools. However, those who wish to let their kids attend a private school may do so.
We will use a fixed amount of funds per individual as investment in the future. Parents can choose to either use those funds by sending their children to a public school and not pay fees, or sending their kids to a private school, where they will be supported with a voucher system (a voucher being worth the equivalent of attending a public school) but will have to pay the additional costs themselves.

Private Schools will still have to adhere to a standardised curriculum and a code of conduct. But importantly, if they can compete with and improve over the public schools in terms of quality of education and efficiency of fund allocation, they are bound to succeed, leaving the whole of society with a better outcome.

Considering that our manifesto is full of this kind of sensible, pragmatic solution, I can not but interpret campaigns of association with unsuccessful socialist states (not once was the fact mentioned that in Cuba less infants die per capita than in the US) as smear campaigns.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gif

waiting for Neu Leonstein's permission... ;)

If I'm going to add this to the manifesto, it'll be DSP supports workers' right to form unions. In addition to this, I think we should defend workers rights and freedom, guarantee job security, and against outsourcing to cheap foreign labour markets.

cool. i don't think they're an issue, but i have an idea:

unions are good. definitely protect against outsourcing.

however, monitor the union's expenditures. they take advantadge of the money and have meetings at the ritz or spend the money they collect on themselves. we should monitor what they spend it on and how much they inflate the wages. that protects workers from being priced out of a job.

thanks for recognizing my two cents. plus, its not much of an issue and we may be able to sneak the monitoring past them :p :p .

waiting for Neu Leonstein's permission... ;)
Go ahead, but leave the first and last paragraph. They're more like explanatory notes, directly addressing things said in the other thread, so they'd have no place in a manifesto. As for the rest, feel free.

added. ;)

added. ;)

what about my stuff? *sniff*

what about my stuff? *sniff*Ask Neu Leonstein. He usually does the manifesto stuff. I can't revise the manifesto without his permission.;)

Ask Neu Leonstein. He usually does the manifesto stuff. I can't revise the manifesto without his permission.;)
Of course you can. This is a collective effort, and members can request additions or deletions at any time.

Just take care that it is all in the same format, and roughly uses the same language.

ok, here are the following I planned to add to the manifesto.

Mine:
We defend workers' rights and freedoms. Workers should be guaranteed job security, benefits such as healthcare and workers' compensation, safety, and a right to form labour unions.

We are strongly against outsourcing to low cost foreign labour markets.

Fleckenstein's:

For labour unions, union finances must be ethically accountable. That way union leaders don't take advantage of the money and protects workers from being priced out of a job.

source: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10585898&postcount=87
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10585857&postcount=86

good? ;)

ok, here are the following I planned to add to the manifesto.
good? ;)

sweet. thanks for taking my ideas.

current polls: we have about 11%. UDCP in lead with 18%. I believe we're second. for now ;) .

GET OUT AND VOTE!

I voted for you.

I voted for you.
:fluffle:

*Rejects all allegations of bribery using fluffles*

Wanted to wish you all good luck.

Hey, I voted in that poll on the election thread, but is that all I needed to do?

A warm salute. Good to see we're back, dudes. What's on the agenda?

bump.

Right now I'm doing a smooth ad campaign.

I'm the only one doing it right now.

At point this point, we are leading the polls. Probably because of our ad campaign and the updated manifesto.

btw, nice to be back! ;)

Right now I'm doing a smooth ad campaign.

I'm the only one doing it right now.

At point this point, we are leading the polls. Probably because of our ad campaign and the updated manifesto.
I've seen your work. You rock.

A warm salute. Good to see we're back, dudes. What's on the agenda?
Winning the election, I suppose. Hopefully with a big enough margin to actually get some things through this time (yeah, I know, we say that every time...:D )

At the moment, it looks good...we have 27.12% of the vote, with our closest rivals being the UDCP with 12.43% and the ESP with 11.86%.

Yay for the Left!

I've seen your work. You rock.Thanks

Btw, there's a number of thing why people are comfortable on voting DSP

- We are the only moderate left-wing party
- UDCP is too radical
- MLP and MOBRA are using violent tactics in their campaign.
- ESP is too silly :D
- People had enough with NSCP and NSCL
- AACP and Technocrats' policy are wrong
- NBIP is strictly only for British people.
- We campaign on our platform and issues, not mudslinging.

Winning the election, I suppose. Hopefully with a big enough margin to actually get some things through this time (yeah, I know, we say that every time...:D )

At the moment, it looks good...we have 27.12% of the vote, with our closest rivals being the UDCP with 12.43% and the ESP with 11.86%.

Yay for the Left!
I hope I won't be discarded for not being able to serve for two consecutive terms (actually, I was around in the second... I was the only one around).
You gave me a scare, Leonstein, back then when you said you were going Keynesian. Not because that would be bad, but because it implied you were considering leaving the camp.

Thanks

Btw, there's a number of thing why people are comfortable on voting DSP

- We are the only moderate left-wing party
- UDCP is too radical
- MLP and MOBRA are using violent tactics in their campaign.
- ESP is too silly :D
- People had enough with NSCP and NSCL
- AACP and Technocrats' policy are wrong
- NBIP is strictly only for British people.
- We campaign on our platform and issues, not mudslinging.
Did you notice what the Trotskyites have been doing? The French Turn proved to bring them even less votes... which should tell them them something about Leon's brilliant strategies.

At the moment, it looks good...we have 27.12% of the vote, with our closest rivals being the UDCP with 12.43% and the ESP with 11.86%.

Yay for the Left!

we have more than double the votes of the second place party.

go majority, go majority, its your birtday, its your birtday~!

we have more than double the votes of the second place party.

go majority, go majority, its your birtday, its your birtday~!
Let's keep cool for now. Middle America is not yet voting, I guess. We were decisively in front last time, but only in the beginning.

Let's keep cool for now. Middle America is not yet voting, I guess. We were decisively in front last time, but only in the beginning.
Yeah, looks like NSCP is kicking up a gear or two right now. They're at 19 now, they'll have overtaken UDCP in no time.

Must be Blu-Tac with his puppets. :p

Yeah, looks like NSCP is kicking up a gear or two right now. They're at 19 now, they'll have overtaken UDCP in no time.

Must be Blu-Tac with his puppets. :p
Something I'm going to worry right now, I took a snapshot of the poll occasionally so I can compare them to see if there's something wierd is going on.

Also I made this post about it in the election thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10592933&postcount=141

Something I'm going to worry right now, I took a snapshot of the poll occasionally so I can compare them to see if there's something wierd is going on.

Also I made this post about it in the election thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10592933&postcount=141

they have their own website?!?!?!?!
(full of ads i may ad...d)

puppets may be a problem, but can't we call him on it? do we have proof?

show or post the pics of the poll. i've been trying to monitor it, and have seen nothing of interest, except that the MLP, even with aggressive campaigning, is in dead last.

let's track the vote amounts for the next day or two. if they jump unbelievably, we call him on it.

then again, that happened with us :p

we're the ones that look suspicious. 14 votes in an hour? compared to 3 votes in 3 hours for NSCP?

TCR, how do we explain this? or do we just delete those files? http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/shiftyeyes3d.gif

While I admit I got 3 active puppets; PLA-TCR Unit 1000, PLA-TCR Unit 1001, and South Jesusland (joke puppet). None of them were registered in the forum. I got one e-mail account, but you cannot have multiple accounts under one e-mail at once. Oh well, I'll delete the links anyway... ;)

Btw, I got people from Hippiedom, China, Du Maurier, Rule Britannia to vote in the election. But I remind them that there's no puppet voting allowed.

I don't know why we are getting so many votes this time, but I think these points I mentioned earlier are probably true:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10597069&postcount=104

tg sent. ;)

The only thing I did was to tell everyone in Liberalia about the election. I suggested DSP, but clearly saying that they should read each party's manifesto before voting. I also told them that puppets aren't allowed to vote.

I myself used to have North Pangea as a puppet, but that's been killed due to inactivity.

tg sent. ;)

you have a tg also, in regards to a coalition.

btw, delete this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10597511&postcount=112)
and i'll delete the current post.

Don't need to anyways. ;)

Don't need to anyways. ;)

how 'bout the coalition with ESP, possibly MOBRA?

Voted! Actually it was yesterday, but I've been busy and haven't been on the forums since. Is it true we're winning? Fleck you'll have to fill me in on Monday.

how 'bout the coalition with ESP, possibly MOBRA?Ummmmmm........... no.

lol

Voted! Actually it was yesterday, but I've been busy and haven't been on the forums since. Is it true we're winning? Fleck you'll have to fill me in on Monday.Thanks! ;)

And yes we are winning but there's a possibilily of voting fraud involving the conservatives.

Did you notice what the Trotskyites have been doing? The French Turn proved to bring them even less votes... which should tell them them something about Leon's brilliant strategies.

When have we practiced entryism in this election?

Why are you insisting on using derogatory stalinist terms to describe our party?

When have we practiced entryism in this election?

Why are you insisting on using derogatory stalinist terms to describe our party?
I think forming a "militant" party is synonymous with the French Turn, dude. Marceau Pivert likesay.

AFAIK, neither "French Turn" nor "Entryism" are Stalinist terms. They are tactics which divided your movement, but are both conventional ones - some argue that Trotsky favored both.

I think forming a "militant" party is synonymous with the French Turn, dude. Marceau Pivert likesay.

AFAIK, neither "French Turn" nor "Entryism" are Stalinist terms. They are tactics which divided your movement, but are both conventional ones - some argue that Trotsky favored both.

Did we enter an existing social-democratic or communist party? No? Then we didn't carry out a french turn. Don't try and cover your arse here, you've used the wrong term in the wrong context.

I wasnt talking about "french turn" or "entryism". I was talking about "trotskyites" which as both you and I know was and is used in derogatory fashion by Stalinists.

Did we enter an existing social-democratic or communist party? No? Then we didn't carry out a french turn. Don't try and cover your arse here, you've used the wrong term in the wrong context.

1. You created a party of militancy that serves as camouflage. In fact, the French Turn was exactly that: creating a new party with Pivert.
2. You are just now proposing a united front.

I wasnt talking about "french turn" or "entryism". I was talking about "trotskyites" which as both you and I know was and is used in derogatory fashion by Stalinists.

Technically, no. Since I did not use the word in Russian (which is not exactly that), I can't be accused of that. I must inform you that the term of insult for Trotskyism in a Stalinist Romania was "Troţkism" (notice the "-ism" at the end). "Trotskyite" is not necessarily connected to Stalinism, it is a word that stuck, and which may have more connotations - I however, have only used the one standing for Trotskyist.
Plus, since Trosky never called his thought "Trotskyism", we should probably view all terms in the family (-ism or -ite) as potential dersion. If one is, than the other would follow suit.

1. You created a party of militancy that serves as camouflage. In fact, the French Turn was exactly that: creating a new party with Pivert.
2. You are just now proposing a united front.

Neither of which is entryism, thus making your term misapplied. We renamed the party and now propose a united front. Dear jesus, that means we're probably already inside YOUR organisation.


Technically, no. Since I did not use the word in Russian (which is not exactly that), I can't be accused of that. I must inform you that the term of insult for Trotskyism in a Stalinist Romania was "Troţkism" (notice the "-ism" at the end). "Trotskyite" is not necessarily connected to Stalinism, it is a word that stuck, and which may have more connotations - I however, have only used the one standing for Trotskyist.
Plus, since Trosky never called his thought "Trotskyism", we should probably view all terms in the family (-ism or -ite) as potential dersion. If one is, than the other would follow suit.

Okay, I'll meet you halfway here. We both know that trotskyite is a derogatory term used by other groups on the left to describe us. Give me -ist or give me death.

Neither of which is entryism, thus making your term misapplied. We renamed the party and now propose a united front. Dear jesus, that means we're probably already inside YOUR organisation.

The French Turn is entryism! Trotskyites joined Pivert in creating a party.

Okay, I'll meet you halfway here. We both know that trotskyite is a derogatory term used by other groups on the left to describe us. Give me -ist or give me death.

Fine. But, please, don't assume I was using it in a derogatory manner. And note that Trotskyism itself canbe/is derogatory.

The French Turn is entryism! Trotskyites joined Pivert in creating a party.

After the SFIO started working with bourgeoise forces, yes, then they left. They didn't just create a new party.


Fine. But, please, don't assume I was using it in a derogatory manner. And note that Trotskyism itself canbe/is derogatory.

Accepted.

Holy crap, a DSP/MLP fight in our thread?!?! :eek:

Holy crap, a DSP/MLP fight in our thread?!?! :eek:
I am surprised it took so long. :D

I was thinking of forming a progressive coalition with the two socialist parties, NSCL may join too if they want:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/13/untitled15in.png

Problem is MLP and UDCP are negotiating a different union and NSCL is too neo-liberal on economics.

Btw, MLP and UDCP kept accusing us being "liberals in disguise" and NSCL accused us being hardcore socialist. Are we really the only moderate left-wing party? :)

I think the fact that our proposed united front is considering to leave you guys out answers that question...

Well if you and the MLP called us "liberals in disguise" and the NSCL called us hardcore socialist, then we must be the only moderate left-wing party here. :p

Don't moderate your principles for votes. People would still vote for a more radical left. If you want to be moderate, then you won't find room over here quite yet.

NSCL may join too if they want:
...

Btw, MLP and UDCP kept accusing us being "liberals in disguise"

And you wonder why.

way to snip snip my post. :rolleyes:

Well, I obviously didn't watch the poll overnight, but it seems that NSCP has somehow caught up with us. :confused:

Well, I obviously didn't watch the poll overnight, but it seems that NSCP has somehow caught up with us. :confused:
The fine art of puppetry.

Could you sign me as a member, please? :cool:

Could you sign me as a member, please? :cool:
Of course. You'll be added to the list as soon as TCR logs back on. :)

Could you sign me as a member, please? :cool:
Welcome to the DSP.

I motion my party to advocate write-in votes for the next election.

Could you sign me as a member, please? :cool:
you're IN ;)

Should we negotiate a new coalition with the NSCL?

Well folks, we got 7 seats. Change +3 from 4 seats.

Btw, I'll continue to serve as a MP again.

I motion my party to advocate write-in votes for the next election.
Definitely. This whole thing has been bordering a farce at times.

First them...and then, where did we get thirty extra votes from in one day?

Anyways, I'll be happy to serve as MP, should everyone agree.

Who's going to decide on who gets to be MP's? We should prbably vote on it, and quickly, so we can get down to business in NS General Parliament.

Although I also notice that only the NSCP has declared its official MP list so far.

I'm willing to serve as MP, if you deem me competent. If not, I'll support the members' other choice.

anyone object to me being an MP?

just checking. ya never know. . .

Well I think we'd all be willing, but perhaps there should be nominations? voting? And nominating yourself is, at least to me, not really appropriate.

I nominate TCR, Neu Leonstein, and Fleckenstein.

Well I think we'd all be willing, but perhaps there should be nominations? voting? And nominating yourself is, at least to me, not really appropriate.

I nominate TCR, Neu Leonstein, and Fleckenstein.

who said i was nominating to you? :p (if 'nominating' is a verb)

we have 7 seats. seven. 7. you might get one yourself, mr. suddenly active.

who said i was nominating to you? :p (if 'nominating' is a verb)

we have 7 seats. seven. 7. you might get one yourself, mr. suddenly active.

No one said you were nominating (it is a word). I just thought that you three (you, TCR and Neu Leonstein) are the best choices so far. So cool it, mr. suddenly defensive.

Also, I've been actively following and supporting the DSP, just not in this thread.

Plus I have no homework today. ;)

No one said you were nominating (it is a word). I just thought that you three (you, TCR and Neu Leonstein) are the best choices so far. So cool it, mr. suddenly defensive.

Also, I've been actively following and supporting the DSP, just not in this thread.

Plus I have no homework today.

i used 'nominating to'. i dont think that works.

i know you have been supportive.

wait for it. . . . wait for it. . . .

mr., uh, mr. i-dont-have-homework-cause-i'm-so-smart.

(well you won't take 6 AP classes senior year :rolleyes:) *cough tyler ernst cough*]

i used 'nominating to'. i dont think that works.

i know you have been supportive.

wait for it. . . . wait for it. . . .

mr., uh, mr. i-dont-have-homework-cause-i'm-so-smart.

(well you won't take 6 AP classes senior year :rolleyes:) *cough tyler ernst cough*]
This calls for some kind of rebuttal, but I'm not sure if you are complimenting me or insulting me. I'm inclined to believe it's a mixture of both.

This calls for some kind of rebuttal, but I'm not sure if you are complimenting me or insulting me. I'm inclined to believe it's a mixture of both.

dingdingdingidingding!!!!!

highlight after last comment. . . of previous post. . . .

Ok, I'm thinking:

- Me (TCR)
- Neu Leonstein
- Rhovaniar
- Argesia
- Fleckenstein
- Native Quiggles II (maybe)
- Maraque

These are the members who are active recently.

Ok, I'm thinking:

- Me (TCR)
- Neu Leonstein
- Rhovaniar
- Argesia
- Fleckenstein
- Native Quiggles II (maybe)
- Maraque

These are the members who are active recently.
Is this the point where we should agree, or what? Because I do.

Ok, I'm thinking:

- Me (TCR)
- Neu Leonstein
- Rhovaniar
- Argesia
- Fleckenstein
- Native Quiggles II (maybe)
- Maraque

These are the members who are active recently.

Achtung 45? (instead of quiggles)
Maineiacs? (over maraque)

other than that, i'm cool :D

Achtung 45? (instead of quiggles)
Maineiacs? (over maraque)

other than that, i'm cool :D

Ok, here's the more senior group:

- Me (TCR)
- Neu Leonstein
- Rhovaniar
- Argesia
- Fleckenstein
- Achtung 45
- Maineiacs

Ok, here's the more senior group:

- Me (TCR)
- Neu Leonstein
- Rhovaniar
- Argesia
- Fleckenstein
- Achtung 45
- Maineiacs
I'm in agreement. However, since some of those guys haven't said anything in this thread recently, perhaps we should notify them by TG and see if they accept?

I'm in agreement. However, since some of those guys haven't said anything in this thread recently, perhaps we should notify them by TG and see if they accept?

cool. that should work for maineiacs. i haven't seen achtung 45

I agree with anything you come up with. Also, I might not be quite as active as I usually am - I just got my hands on Elder Scrolls: Oblivion. ;)

cool. that should work for maineiacs. i haven't seen achtung 45Maybe we should TG him.

Btw, I'm not going to be here for a while. I got volunteering for grad credits, work in the city hall for most the weekend, and I'm still in a state of shock about what happened yesterday morning.

So I'll let you, Neu Leonstein, and Argesia to run the whole party without me. Also, the MP list must be confirmed to Ariddia ASAP.

Hope I'll be back soon.

Maybe we should TG him.

Btw, I'm not going to be here for a while. I got volunteering for grad credits, work in the city hall for most the weekend, and I'm still in a state of shock about what happened yesterday morning.

So I'll let you, Neu Leonstein, and Argesia to run the whole party without me. Also, the MP list must be confirmed to Ariddia ASAP.

Hope I'll be back soon.
Well, it looks like I'm leader for the interim (since Neu Leonstein is off to close the gates of Oblivion).

Well... this seat feels comfy...

i would like to be added to the party.

i would like to be added to the party.
Welcome to the DSP.

However, since I did not post the original membership, and am now the only one around here, I'm going to beg your patience until we can actually add you name on the board. Until then, have a cookie. *hands Zralos a cookie*

(since Neu Leonstein is off to close the gates of Oblivion).

son of a bitch!

you should post the mp list, even if half aren't currently. . . .
active.

I accept the nomination. Thank you, I'm honored. I promise I'll find the time to devote to this.

Someone should really post that MP list. We might be one of if not the only party not to formally list our MP's. Argesia, Fleck, somebody do it. I would, but you guys are in charge.

Someone should really post that MP list. We might be one of if not the only party not to formally list our MP's. Argesia, Fleck, somebody do it. I would, but you guys are in charge.
But have we agreed on a final version? Is it Native Quiggles II or Achtung 45? Did any of them confirm?
And what is this rush? Our main excuse is that we live in very different places on Earth.

To make sure everyone knows - I accept a nomination.

But have we agreed on a final version? Is it Native Quiggles II or Achtung 45? Did any of them confirm?
And what is this rush? Our main excuse is that we live in very different places on Earth.
Meh. I guess you're right. Not really a rush, though, but things have to happen eventually, and I thought sooner rather than later. How should we agree on a final version? Also, we have another excuse, which is that we have the greatest number of seats to fill. But the sooner we get our officially agreed-upon and approved list in, the sooner the parliament can get under way. Let's just make sure we don't wait around and waste this entire term while we have a majority.

Hello! I am here; I just had to return a violin this morning. :)

Hello! I am here; I just had to return a violin this morning. :)
You in?

I'm back. :)

I will not be as active as I used to be now, I got lots of stuff to do.

However I will still take part in the NS General Parliament.

Btw if you want to make modifications to the front page or questions, e-mail me:

awongca@gmail.com

See you later and have a nice day. ;)

hello, glad to see things are going so well. thanks to everyone who took the reigns and made this party so good, because i was too lazy to. you've made this far better than i ever expected.

also, props on the awesomeness of the new manifesto.

Everyone:

I was just reading the Parliament thread. They're wanting everyone's MP list. We need to finalize ours and post it.

Everyone:

I was just reading the Parliament thread. They're wanting everyone's MP list. We need to finalize ours and post it.
We were waiting for confirmation: I think it is only one seat we need filled.

How about we just use this list temporarily:

- Me (TCR)
- Neu Leonstein
- Rhovaniar
- Argesia
- Fleckenstein
- Achtung 45
- Maineiacs

How about we just use this list temporarily:
Fine. Shall I post it?

Fine. Shall I post it?Go ahead. ;)

whazzappening!?!?!

what are we doing? i feel lost.

Aww, I got cut out :/

Aww, I got cut out :/
No, you weren't. The problem is that we have only 7 seats to fill. Obviously the decisions the MPs make will be strongly influenced on what the rest of the party (which includes you) think.

first legislation:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476636

first legislation:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476636


I'm for it.

Yeah, shouldn't be too controversial. I'm in favour.

May I join the Party? :)

If so, I will be glad to give the party a plug on my regional factbook. :D
(My region is called the 'Democratic Socialist Bloc')

Hmm, think I heard about this region before.

Btw, you're in. :)

Oh really? From where?

Thank you very kindly, I hope I will be able to contribute to the party.

Does the Party still exist, and are we taking part in the new election cycle?

Does the Party still exist, and are we taking part in the new election cycle?

And if you are may I join the party?

I like most of what this party stands for. I'll join.

*bump*

What of TCR?

*bump*

What of TCR?

Haven't seen or heard him in months.

Let's throw in anyway. Maybe we could get a seat or two. We're 'normal'. :p

Maybe new thread?

Let's throw in anyway. Maybe we could get a seat or two. We're 'normal'. :p

Maybe new thread?

Couldn't hurt. Go for it.

We are in.

Not to usurp authority, but until either the election or TCR's return, I think I'll lead us.

All two of us. ;) Hopefully we could recruit some more true member and hope for a repeat of last time.

Apologies to those interested, but we cant edit the list. So, if you apply, your in, but no thread recognition. Sorry.

To the campaign trail!

Why not start up a second thread, to keep track of your new members and make less reading for those who want to join up?

Why not start up a second thread, to keep track of your new members and make less reading for those who want to join up?

I dont want to trample TCR, as he still hasnt been in contact.

And all you need is to read the manifesto and post.

Why is there extra reading?

We are in.

Not to usurp authority, but until either the election or TCR's return, I think I'll lead us.

All two of us. ;) Hopefully we could recruit some more true member and hope for a repeat of last time.

Apologies to those interested, but we cant edit the list. So, if you apply, your in, but no thread recognition. Sorry.

To the campaign trail!

Got no problem with that. Lead on, MacDuff!

I dont want to trample TCR, as he still hasnt been in contact.

And all you need is to read the manifesto and post.

Why is there extra reading?

I understand your point. But by extra reading I mean that there's 14 or so pages worth of posting, which is a bit cluttered. Just a suggestion, tis all.

Would you mind if I joined? Or is it too late, or do I have to go through some complicated process? Either way, respond.

Would you mind if I joined? Or is it too late, or do I have to go through some complicated process? Either way, respond.

We are in.

Not to usurp authority, but until either the election or TCR's return, I think I'll lead us.

All two of us. ;) Hopefully we could recruit some more true member and hope for a repeat of last time.

Apologies to those interested, but we cant edit the list. So, if you apply, your in, but no thread recognition. Sorry.

To the campaign trail!


Hope that answers your question.

Hope that answers your question.

So I'm in, I'm just not on the list? So can I edit my signature to say I'm in?

So I'm in, I'm just not on the list? So can I edit my signature to say I'm in?

You might want to check with our interim leader, but as far as I'm concerned, yes.

You might want to check with our interim leader, but as far as I'm concerned, yes.

Hell yeah, thats fine. Like I said, you wanna join? Sure. Go ahead.

Shout it on the mountaintops (we could use the advertising).

*teehees over being recognized*

Does everyone have the image url for debates/ads? its either here or my sig.

*cough*

*voteoverhere*

Election is Oct 1st! Ring the bells! TG the members!

And bring the party to the people! Kiss hands and shake babies!

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8409/dsp1b0bp.gif

I have stupid a question. If a national socialist is a nazi, is a democratic socialist a dezi?

Grievances with democratic socialism-

General taxes- up, up and AWAY!

Business Revenue- Down, down, down, TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA

Spending on useless social programs- up, UP, AND AWAY!

The recognition of the states national pride and integrity- vanished

The community vs the individual- The community DOMINATES (oppression of the moral majority)

Humanitarian aid spending (while neglecting national poverty needs) up, UP, AND AWAY!

Dangerous narcotics- Subsidizes and legal! Teenager are responsible when it come to pot, for sure.

National defense- I'm melting!!!!

Fair Trade or free Trade- Tariffs up up up! Imports, up up up! Exports, down down down.

The environment over over industrial development? Sure why not!

Health care, sure! Our bloated bureaucracy can pay for it. Why not give our nations richest free health care, despite them having more than enough disposable income too pay for said coverage.

*breathes* Grievances stated.

I have stupid a question. If a national socialist is a nazi, is a democratic socialist a dezi?

I so wanna hit you right now. :p

I so wanna hit you right now. :p

Quiet, Dezi! :p :p :p

Wouldn't that make a left libertarian (libertarian socialist) a libzi?

General taxes- up, up and AWAY!

Dont come cryin when your low taxes dont pay for anything. "waah, high taxes!" *minutes later* "why isnt x free and why do public schools suck?"

Business Revenue- Down, down, down, TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA

Taxes will be high enough to fund public services, but low enough to allow companies to be competitive on the global market.

Recognising that technology is of high value, the state will encourage technical businesses geared toward export, and will provide the appropriate education/training.

Small businesses and entrepreneurs should be encouraged and monopolies discouraged. For this purpose, a consumer protection agency will monitor and sometimes prevent practices that are considered to lead to collusion.

The Manifesto itself.
Spending on useless social programs- up, UP, AND AWAY!

How can you judge programs not yet in existence to be useless?
The recognition of the states national pride and integrity- vanished

Where do you get this?
The Party supports decentralisation of government. The central government shall concern itself with issues that affect us all, not with local issues that would be better handled by the people directly affected.

The community vs the individual- The community DOMINATES (oppression of the moral majority)

"Moral" is a loaded relative term.

Humanitarian aid spending (while neglecting national poverty needs) up, UP, AND AWAY!

With many obvious needs at least partially funded by taxes, poverty should not be a problem. Healthcare, Welfare, even job skills are given by the government.
Dangerous narcotics- Subsidizes and legal! Teenager are responsible when it come to pot, for sure.

1. Nowhere does the manifesto define an age, simply an age limit.
2. Did you read the manifesto? The part about doctors and supervision and beating the addiction?

National defense- I'm melting!!!!

See, when you support the UN, you dont need as many troops (hence the term coalition).

Fair Trade or free Trade- Tariffs up up up! Imports, up up up! Exports, down down down.

Tariffs hinder imports, so I dont know where you are going here.

The environment over over industrial development? Sure why not!

Without the environment, you have no industry.

Health care, sure! Our bloated bureaucracy can pay for it. Why not give our nations richest free health care, despite them having more than enough disposable income too pay for said coverage.

Manifesto:

Healthcare shall be funded by the state and available to all.

We support the right of every individual in the country to get decent and affordable healthcare. We are aware that the government controlling the industry is inefficient and has in the past led to inferior outcomes.

Therefore, we plan to allow doctors to operate in the normal legal framework as they wish. The government will not interfere with pricing until collusion or other illegal activities take place.

However, we will subsidise the use of healthcare by providing customers with government funds. The government will be paying a large share of standard procedures. This will allow even the poorest to attain a decent quality of healthcare, but also allow doctors to set their own prices. The higher they set their prices, the less business they will get, but if they set prices close to the level of government subsidy, they will have a steady flow of income. We expect a corrected market like this to function efficiently and effectively.

*breathes* Grievances stated.

Sure. :)

Sorry fo being testy a few times.

But did you read the manifesto?

I suppose I will join this honorable movement.

I suppose I will join this honorable movement.

Hooray!

Since we cant edit the main page list, you are simply recognized as a member. Dont worry, we still love you.

Put it in your sig or something, I dunno.

But welcome nonetheless. :)

This might be nitpicky, but in what way does this party advocate a socialist state? These ideas to the issue could come from social liberals, progressives, ect. How is this socialistic or more importantly how does this party define socialis?.

well, Im here. lol

Your party has won 2 seats in Parliament. The results can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11772706&postcount=140).

Please decide upon 2 MPs, and announce them here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502218) as soon as possible.

Yo!

We need our (paltry) 2 MPs sorted out. If two people step up who will vigorously legislate, the job is theirs. If more, since TCR ceded power to me, I'll decide.

I would prefer not to be a MP, but have more influence on how you vote.

Thanks to all supporters for your vote!

Yo!

We need our (paltry) 2 MPs sorted out. If two people step up who will vigorously legislate, the job is theirs. If more, since TCR ceded power to me, I'll decide.

I would prefer not to be a MP, but have more influence on how you vote.

Thanks to all supporters for your vote!

I'd like to remain an MP, if possible, but I'll abide by whatever is decided.

I'd like to remain an MP, if possible, but I'll abide by whatever is decided.

Right now, it looks like you and me, unless someone else steps up.

You've got one of the seats.

What does the DSP think of the issue of electoral reform, especially New Burmesia's idea proposed on post #3 of this thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504017

What does the DSP think of the issue of electoral reform, especially New Burmesia's idea proposed on post #3 of this thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504017

Sounds a bit complex, but if they can pull it off...

What does the DSP think of the issue of electoral reform, especially New Burmesia's idea proposed on post #3 of this thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504017

I think we need to tweak the system, not throw it out. That would simplify the process, as long as it applies to the next election.

I dont know how I (or Maineiacs) would vote, I'm undecided.

And under that formula, we get 4 seats. Sooooo. . . .

And I dont think we have four active members.
(TCR sent me a TG, and ruled me leader, so I guess thats three)

I haven't decided either. I need to go and check the debate thread, and see if they're actually debating this, or still just spamming the thread.

I think we need to tweak the system, not throw it out. That would simplify the process, as long as it applies to the next election.

I dont know how I (or Maineiacs) would vote, I'm undecided.

And under that formula, we get 4 seats. Sooooo. . . .

And I dont think we have four active members.
(TCR sent me a TG, and ruled me leader, so I guess thats three)It's conceivable that you might have more members for the next election, or that at least one UDCP member could fill in the gap for you, if absolutely necessary.

I haven't decided either. I need to go and check the debate thread, and see if they're actually debating this, or still just spamming the thread.

Well, it's now moved on to banning "unBritish" US English and leet, but I have posted some info here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11839114&postcount=3)and here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11850168&postcount=103).

MP change!

Sel Appa takes my seat in Parliament, seeing as I have taken the helm of the party.

MP change!

Sel Appa takes my seat in Parliament, seeing as I have taken the helm of the party.

Awesome!