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As I was perusing the net last night, I stumbled upon a promotional poster for Spiderman 3, featuring our favorite web-slinger wearing a black costume...and we all know what happens to his black suit. So I decided to check and see if they have casted anyone for the part of Venom, and much to my horror, Topher Grace, of That 70's Show fame, is credited as playing Venom. :eek: This is my train of thought: I have always thought Grace bears a passing resemblance to Tobey Maguire; I wonder if they're going to alter Venom's character to make him more like Peter Parker than originally intended...If I can find the poster I'll add a link to it in a later post.

Thoughts, comments, possible cries of outrage at the choice of Topher Grace as Venom? :headbang:

I can't picture Topher Grace playing a non-comedic role. I'll definitely watch it though. The spiderman movies have been pretty good.

I admit I can not differentiate between Toby McGuire and Topher Grace while scanning photos of both.

They should have stopped after one.

Spiderman 3 will rank among mankind's greatest crimes.

They should have stopped after one.

Spiderman 3 will rank among mankind's greatest crimes.
Not in a world that has Catwoman and Batman & Robin

As I was perusing the net last night, I stumbled upon a promotional poster for Spiderman 3, featuring our favorite web-slinger wearing a black costume...and we all know what happens to his black suit. So I decided to check and see if they have casted anyone for the part of Venom, and much to my horror, Topher Grace, of That 70's Show fame, is credited as playing Venom. :eek: This is my train of thought: I have always thought Grace bears a passing resemblance to Tobey Maguire; I wonder if they're going to alter Venom's character to make him more like Peter Parker than originally intended...If I can find the poster I'll add a link to it in a later post.

Thoughts, comments, possible cries of outrage at the choice of Topher Grace as Venom? :headbang:


They're going to go the Ultimate Spiderman route and make Venom a clone of Peter Parker. That has to be it. Thats the only reason to find someone who looks like Maguire and is under 300 pounds to play the part of Venom.

They're going to go the Ultimate Spiderman route and make Venom a clone of Peter Parker. That has to be it. Thats the only reason to find someone who looks like Maguire and is under 300 pounds to play the part of Venom.
When they say he's "Venom," they mean he's the guy who is Venom. Actual Venom will be played by a team of special effects artists.

They should have stopped after one.

Spiderman 3 will rank among mankind's greatest crimes.
They’re good movies and they were meant to be a trilogy from the beginning. Deal with it.

Anybody know if the lizard is going to be in this one? Because that professor/mentor to Peter (who’s name I can’t recall) who only has one arm was in the last one.

When they say he's "Venom," they mean he's the guy who is Venom. Actual Venom will be played by a team of special effects artists.

Still, you have to have the guy playing Eddie Brock. Why would you choose someone physically small and so similar to Maguire if you didn't want him to look like, well...a clone?

They're going to go the Ultimate Spiderman route and make Venom a clone of Peter Parker. That has to be it. Thats the only reason to find someone who looks like Maguire and is under 300 pounds to play the part of Venom.

I dunno .... with today's film technology, Maguire could simply play both parts if they were going the clone route. They must be up to something.

They're going to go the Ultimate Spiderman route and make Venom a clone of Peter Parker. That has to be it. Thats the only reason to find someone who looks like Maguire and is under 300 pounds to play the part of Venom.

I believe you might be right, because he was listed as Venom and not as Eddie Brock, who is physically gigantic compared to Parker. However, I think that Brock is mentioned in the first flick by J.J...might just be my imagination.

Maybe he's doing the voice?:confused:
Besides, Brock was a pretty big guy.

If any of you'd bothered going to Marvel's website you'd know the big-ticket villain is Sandman, aka Flint Marko. Thomas Hayden Church has been cast as ol' Sandy.

I knew that Sandman was in the flick, but Venom is my all time fave Spiderman villain, and I've been waiting for him to show up since the first movie was released. :D

As I was perusing the net last night, I stumbled upon a promotional poster for Spiderman 3, featuring our favorite web-slinger wearing a black costume...and we all know what happens to his black suit. So I decided to check and see if they have casted anyone for the part of Venom, and much to my horror, Topher Grace, of That 70's Show fame, is credited as playing Venom. :eek: This is my train of thought: I have always thought Grace bears a passing resemblance to Tobey Maguire; I wonder if they're going to alter Venom's character to make him more like Peter Parker than originally intended...If I can find the poster I'll add a link to it in a later post.

Thoughts, comments, possible cries of outrage at the choice of Topher Grace as Venom? :headbang:

the movies have been great so far, so i am looking forward to it. topher is good too. way good. but, what about the kid whos gonna be the hobgoblin? are there gonna be 2 villains now? siiiiickkkk:D

Any way they slice it, they will never do better than Batman Begins. As far as villians go, Scarecrow is fuckin' phenominal. Everything about that film was pure genius.

Ok ... back to Spidey.

are there gonna be 2 villains now? siiiiickkkk:D

Yeah, cause that route worked for Batman :rolleyes:

Any way they slice it, they will never do better than Batman Begins. As far as villians go, Scarecrow is fuckin' phenominal. Everything about that film was pure genius.

Really? I thought Scarecrow, and that movie, sucked ass...

...but that's just me...you're right, back to Spidey. :p

Whatever else about Spiderman 3, this thing (http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=49768) pisses me off.

They're filming Spiderman in Cleveland! Ugh!

Maybe it's just me, but you can't just run around cleveland and say that it's New York. New York is... Well, it's frickin' New York.

I suppose I'm taking it a bit personally, but one of the things I loved about Spidermans I and II was the scenery that they were moving around. Not just what they moved themselves throughout, but scenery that they actually moved around. Things like the garden of the Frick becoming a rooftop garden across the street from St. Patrick's Cathedral, or the elevated 7 train that runs through Queens but in the movie ran down Lexington Ave in Manhattan.

If Superman or something else were filmed in a third rate city like Cleveland I woulnd't care. Sure it's inferior scenery, but Superman is set in a fictitious city anyway.

And why Cleveland? There's a reason that Spiderman is set in New York. He's the Amazing Spiderman. Not the "perhaps not as well known as Superman, but certainly a respectable Superhero in his own right Spiderman." And there's a reason that the Drew Carey show was set in Cleveland. It's the only city that's as consistently mediocre as Carey's character was.

Seriously. I've have been less annoyed if they replaced Toby McGuire with Jake Gillenhal (sp) like they were thinking of doing in Spidreman 2. It's like they replaced the biggest star with a stand-in. Yes, NY is bigger than Toby. You can debate whether or not it's figurativly true, but it's definitly literally true. And it's lame, lame, lame.

So. Um, anyone know when we'll be able to pre-order tickets?

Wait, I just looked at the cast listing-Now they're adding Gwen Stacey??? She should have been the one that Green Goblin dropped, and Spiderman killed trying to save her-making Peter gunshy about relationships.

Everythings all topsy turvy...in my day Venom came from Secret Wars, now I hear there is some new origin story...bah, bah I say...

Wait, I just looked at the cast listing-Now they're adding Gwen Stacey??? She should have been the one that Green Goblin dropped, and Spiderman killed trying to save her-making Peter gunshy about relationships.

Everythings all topsy turvy...in my day Venom came from Secret Wars, now I hear there is some new origin story...bah, bah I say...In my days Venom came from outer space:p but it doesn't matter much where he comes from if he's in the movie:D :D :D

But now I don't know who the villian will be, is it Venom or Sandman?

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Mmm..after the 2nd one, I'm not that keen on Spiderman as I once was.
The 2nd sucked. It was so long and boring. What made them decide to drag out the whole 'Peter finding himself' thing was beyond me. I, like everyone else I surmise, didn't pay to watch some guy go all introspective navel-gazing for an hour. I wanted to see action, dammit! By the time it came I was so bored I didn't enjoy it that much.
Plus I hated how S2 implied that damn near everyone knew Pete was Spiderman anyway. The little hints May dropped, and quizzical looks Robbie Robertson (editor of Daily Bugle) gave Pete, and of course Mary Jane finding out. Plus everyone on the train. It annoyed me, as it went too far away from the concpet of a secret identity, especially with Pete/spiderman as he was always acutely paranoid about anyone finding out in case they would then harm May, his only surviving close relative.


Yeah, I used to be a comics geek. Had pretty much all the Spiderman comix from early 70s to mid 90s (both 'Amazing' and 'Peter Parker', as well as the Marvel team-up)

Mmm..after the 2nd one, I'm not that keen on Spiderman as I once was.
The 2nd sucked. It was so long and boring. What made them decide to drag out the whole 'Peter finding himself' thing was beyond me. I, like everyone else I surmise, didn't pay to watch some guy go all introspective navel-gazing for an hour. I wanted to see action, dammit! By the time it came I was so bored I didn't enjoy it that much.
The appeal of Spiderman isn't that he can do whatever a spider can, it is that he is an introspective hero-a sort of 'everyman' hero in that he is a regular guy who doesn't just have nobility along with super strength, but must come to terms with what that is-which is why his origin story is so intrigal to the character. People who enjoy the kind of character story in their hero, and people who understood what Spiderman was really about, expect that in a Spiderman story. Otherwise it might as well be Jumpy Punchy Man 2.
Plus I hated how S2 implied that damn near everyone knew Pete was Spiderman anyway. The little hints May dropped, and quizzical looks Robbie Robertson (editor of Daily Bugle) gave Pete, and of course Mary Jane finding out. Plus everyone on the train. It annoyed me, as it went too far away from the concpet of a secret identity, especially with Pete/spiderman as he was always acutely paranoid about anyone finding out in case they would then harm May, his only surviving close relative.


Yeah, I used to be a comics geek. Had pretty much all the Spiderman comix from early 70s to mid 90s (both 'Amazing' and 'Peter Parker', as well as the Marvel team-up)
It was an interesting choice to be sure, but I think it ultimately worked, but this would be left to the individual audience member.

Let me guess. Spidey's not going to be making wisecracks in this one either.

Let me guess. Spidey's not going to be making wisecracks in this one either.
What, like when he blasted J. Jonah's mouth with webbing and said, "The grown folk are talking."

But yeah, they could be doing more-but I don't know that it translates as well, in the comic he gets to say a lot of things while frozen in space, a single panel of him swinging and we get the whole line, a harder thing to do in actual motion. It always came off cheesy in the cartoons when they tried it (though that might be down to the quality of the writing...)

I just read that SP3 will have Sandman, Venom and either the Green Goblin or the Hobgoblin:eek:

I just read that SP3 will have Sandman, Venom and either the Green Goblin or the Hobgoblin:eek:
IMDb lists him as "Green Goblin II," but it should be Hobgoblin.

IMDb lists him as "Green Goblin II," but it should be Hobgoblin.
yeah, I read both names but it doesn't matter that much. i'd rather knwo why IMDb doens't list who plays Venom:confused:

Am I really the only one who cares that they're not filming in New York?

Funny. I thought New York was so integral to it that it would really change things to film it elsewhere. Spiderman is just so New York that the travel channel had a tourism guide to NYC based on the movies.

Cleveland just won't be the same. :(

IMDb lists him as "Green Goblin II," but it should be Hobgoblin.

They kind of had to diverge. Green Goblin survives many encounters with Spiderman in the comics, but it's something of a tradition that when superheroes transfer over to the big screen recurring villains die on first meeting.

Joker and Penguin vs. Tim Burton's Batman. Two-face as well. I think that Captain America killed Red Skull in that 70's movie. If they're not expecting to go more than a few movies, they can afford to kill off villains. Now that they've killed off Ossborne Sr. they're kind of stuck for a replacement. Hobgoblin isn't the same and can't really fill in for him. He's an opportunistic theif, not a demented supervillain. If they want to keep up the Green Goblin story line having Harry take up the mantle is probably the best way to go, despite the comic departure.

They kind of had to diverge. Green Goblin survives many encounters with Spiderman in the comics, but it's something of a tradition that when superheroes transfer over to the big screen recurring villains die on first meeting.

Joker and Penguin vs. Tim Burton's Batman. Two-face as well. I think that Captain America killed Red Skull in that 70's movie. If they're not expecting to go more than a few movies, they can afford to kill off villains. Now that they've killed off Ossborne Sr. they're kind of stuck for a replacement. Hobgoblin isn't the same and can't really fill in for him. He's an opportunistic theif, not a demented supervillain. If they want to keep up the Green Goblin story line having Harry take up the mantle is probably the best way to go, despite the comic departure.
I'm aware of the differences between serialized comics and movies, though disagree with the neccisity of killing the villians (note that Batman Begins doesn't actually do this).

My error wasn't in not recognizing the difference between narrative forms, but rather that I thought when Harry took over Goblining he became Hobgoblin, but now that I look it up I see I was wrong, and in fact when he takes over for his father he is refered to in the comics as (at least for reference) as Green Goblin II.

Here's a write up on the movie. It's subject to change because the movie is still in production ...

Plot Summary for
Spider-Man 3 (2007)
Third film in the highly successful "Spider-Man" series sees several new villains and a new woman enter Peter Parker's life. With his secret now revealed to both Mary Jane and Harry, Peter must face the consequences of his actions and his new life together with Mary Jane as they finally form a relationship. Yet their newfound open display of love has yielded some unfortunate results, not the least of which is Peter's upset boss determined to make his life hell for causing his son emotional distress. Not helping is a young investigative reporter named Eddie Brock who Jameson has hired to find out why Mary Jane dumped his son for Peter - what's Parker's secrets? At the same time an escaped prisoner hiding out on a remote beach is caught in a dreadful accident and finds himself turned into a shape-shifting sand creature. Peter's investigations into the past of this 'Sandman' brings him in contact with two very different things that will inevitably alter his life. The first a young woman named Gwen Stacy, daughter of the city's new police chief who is developing a soft spot for Peter. The other, a black substance from an accident scene which 'merges' with Peter's costume and gives him new found abilities. Things come to a head however when Harry Osborn, determined to take revenge against Peter for his father's death and now equipped with what he needs to pull it off, teams with The Sandman in a new variation of his father's Green Goblin guise and causes mayhem. In the ensuing chaos lives are lost, including people very close to Peter, whilst the black substance covering his suit separates from him and merges with a distraught Brock to form something else entirely - a creature unlike anything he's ever faced. A 'Venom' that he may not be able to stop.

Summary written by DarkHorizons.com

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Am I really the only one who cares that they're not filming in New York?

Funny. I thought New York was so integral to it that it would really change things to film it elsewhere. Spiderman is just so New York that the travel channel had a tourism guide to NYC based on the movies.

Cleveland just won't be the same. :(
You're just lucky it's not Toronto.

My guess is that they're taking the Ultimate Spider-Man route with the whole Venom thing. Well, actually, it looks more like a synthesis of the original storyline and the Ultimate one.

Who knows? It might work out well. Eddie Brock being a hulking, stereotypical bruiser was fine in the comics, but it was really cheesy in the animated series. Eddie Brock in the Ultimate series is much more believable.

And... Cleveland? Ehh, I dunno about that. If they do it right, it should work out. I think.

What, like when he blasted J. Jonah's mouth with webbing and said, "The grown folk are talking."

Good wisecracks. Like the time he spent an entire page making fun of Kingpin's weight.