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Whats the real reasoning to going to war with Iraq?

Whats the real reasoning to going to war with Iraq?Sort of hard to say. There are the official reasons, which are bogus, but it's hard to say which of the unofficial reasons were the actual reasons for going.

That's classified.

Whats the real reasoning to going to war with Iraq?

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The truth is, simply, Saddam's mustache was just really intimidating.

"Hey, this guy tried to kill my daddy!"

Bush threw a dart at the world map and it hit Iraq.




Obviously.

The Human Shield Issue of the previous Gulf War.

You really don't think such acts are ever forgotten?

It's part of an initiative to establish a heavy US presence in the Middle East.

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Bush and his pals honestly thought that they could replace Saddam with a secular democracy on the cheap and that it would transform the region into a bunch of democratic US allies.

Money and influence.

What would be the point of loads of soldiers in the US? Iraq is never going to become a US allie. Its not been profitable in fact its put the US in extreme debt and influence? Its made people greatly distrust America.

Aliens nested in Bush's brain and told him to invade Iraq, where enemy aliens had nested in Saddam's brain.

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I think you just won this thread.

What would be the point of loads of soldiers in the US? Iraq is never going to become a US allie. Its not been profitable in fact its put the US in extreme debt and influence? Its made people greatly distrust America.

I wonder if Bush's close friends and families have gained monetarily from the Iraq war?
I wonder if America has more power over Iraq now than it did before the start of the war?

Hmmmm.

Bush wanted a stable ally in the Middle East and thought he could set one up in Iraq.

A combination of factors IMO. Not the least of which is personal vendetta. But, another US freindly, oil rich nation doesn't hurt either. Don't forget, Saddam was about to change over to the Euro for selling his oil.

Saddam

WMDs were part of it, but the main reason we went in was Saddam's removal.

"oil" is a bastion of the left to try to put down president bush. their oil hasn't done a whole lot for us...

Iraq violating or failing to comply with like a gillion UN resolutions.

Saddam

WMDs were part of it, but the main reason we went in was Saddam's removal.

"oil" is a bastion of the left to try to put down president bush. their oil hasn't done a whole lot for us...

Utter bilge, the right uses it in the UK, the above is merely propaganda. Any statistics to support the above?

Moroever, how many WMDs have been forthcoming since the war.... errm.... I amy not be a mathematician, but the figure is a tad similar to BUGGER ALL I believe, and given that the assertion of both the presence and feasible deployment of WMDs was integral to the war, I would rather contend that too is bilge.

The personal vendetta, concurrent to Israeli security, seems to be correct.

The government/media machine barley een made an attempt to conceal the fact that it was an oil war

according to scott ritter, former marine in gulf war1 and former UN weapons inspector in post gw1 iraq, its because the first president bush oversold the first gulf war.

before the invasion of kuwait, iraq was our biggest friend in the middle east outside of israel. we LOVED him and his regime. we knew exactly what he was and what he did and we didnt care as long as he kept the oil flowing

then he invaded kuwait.

kuwait was NOT a friend of the united states but we felt we had to contain this adventurism of iraq. (kuwait today might mean saudi arabia tomorrow) no one in the united states cared if the spoiled kuwaiti people got taken over by iraq. they hated us anyway

in order to get the people of the US to go along with the expensive task of pushing iraq out of kuwait, bush1 felt that he had to demonize saddam hussein (you wouldnt think it was such a hard task but just a couple months before he had praised hussein as a great friend of the US). this is where bush1 made his mistake

he compared hussein to HITLER. he, ineffect, godwinned the situation.

after we did what the UN authorized, and pushed the iraqi army out of kuwait while at the same time crushing iraqs military capabilities and destroying most of their wmd creating capabilities, HITLER was still in charge in iraq.

you cant leave HITLER in charge and keep your political head held high

everything we have done in iraq ever since then has been with the goal in mind of getting hussein out of power. turns out that the only way to do it was to start another useless war justified on trumped up charges.

so we went into the war in iraq for internal american political reasons that have nothing to do with saddam being a vile man, wmds, oil, or UN resolutions.

It's really quite simple. the beaches of the US coasts have reached Peak Sand, and we need to secure as many natural snad reserves as possible to maintain Spring Break.

Saddam

WMDs were part of it, but the main reason we went in was Saddam's removal.

"oil" is a bastion of the left to try to put down president bush. their oil hasn't done a whole lot for us...

and yet, big oil have gotten record profits out of the runup of the price of oil due to this war

i think that they are realizing that the old idea that war is bad for the oil business is changing. now that they get $70 for a barrel of oil that costs them $6 to pump out of the ground they see that maybe war is GOOD for big oil.

not that thats why we got into the war.

Whats the real reasoning to going to war with Iraq?

I usually go on about the primary being financial - Rights for recreating of Iraq to US businesses (those ridiculous resolutions proving possession is 9 tenths of the law yadayadayada), certain businesses ya know and the consequent economic repercussions for US Govt. 1=Dollars. I hate the way human lives have real dollar values as far as govts are concerned.

I think there was a real genuine fear sold to US and UK civilians alike, with us, Mr Blair gave us his Intelligence on WoMD and in the main, it was bought. Fear for WoMD was sold as a valid reason for killing Iraqis to coalition populations. 2=Bullshit

I think the UK will blindly back any move made by any US govt because of relation repercussions, it is important for the UKs relation with the US to be as good as it is because we are not generally liked anywhere else. Its sound politics but Britain just looks like the bullies chum.

I hope we don't believe the bullshit Bush is spouting re: Human Rights as a sound reason for invading Iran, please dont be suckered into more of that guy's bullshit.

The government/media machine barley een made an attempt to conceal the fact that it was an oil war

If you acually belive what the news media says about what happening in the middle east then you've never talked to anyone who has ever been there.

If you acually belive what the news media says about what happening in the middle east then you've never talked to anyone who has ever been there.
Too bad the media is almost always parroting whatever the White House says.

I agree with everything everyone has said about the last two choices.

Along with that there is a fundamentalist "mindset". While this is often used in religious debates it is a way of thinking that goes into every decision the person makes. This mindset says, "I am correct and I'm only going to allow inputs that say I'm correct. Any information that goes against my being correct is a waste of time and energy. Anyone that disagrees with me is not only incorrect but is evil. I have no need to make any compromise with evil. In fact it would be morally wrong to compromise on any issue because that would be a compromise with evil."

Too bad the media is almost always parroting whatever the White House says.

What channels are you watching?

Too bad the media is almost always parroting whatever the White House says.

Not always, there's some real truth available on the net and there are reports available that represent what's really going on. Bullshit aint so easy to sell these days if you keep your eyes open and try not to believe your leaders all the time; well, question everything they say really, especially when it concerns so many deaths.

What channels are you watching?
Fox

Fox

Ya get the X Files on that 1?

I said other because we Americans are complete morons!!!

Whats the real reasoning to going to war with Iraq?
Dick size. Read 'em and weep.

Iraq was preparing to switch from the PetroDollar to the Euro.

Current president didn't like having his daddy threatened.

There was no legal reason for the US to go into Iraq whatsoever.