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This article is weird. Really fucking weird. It's about a mother who still breastfeeds her daughter, who's nearly 8 years old. What more can I say.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=328277&imageindex=0

I don't see what is weird about it.
From an evolutionary POV, girls are supposed to go straight from breastfeeding to motherhood.
That is what is best for the human race, though I concede it aint optimal for the individual.
Human beings are means to create more gametes and zygotes - that's all there is to life.

I don't see what is weird about it.
From an evolutionary POV, girls are supposed to go straight from breastfeeding to motherhood.
That is what is best for the human race, though I concede it aint optimal for the individual.
Human beings are means to create more gametes and zygotes - that's all there is to life.
Um, what? Every other species of mammal I know of, except for maybe the weasel, gets weaned off of breast milk long before reproducing.

that is weird. I know that there are people in my homeschool co-op who do what they call "extended breast feeding" where they still nurse when the child is like 2 or 3, but 8?!

That seems a little too outside the norm to me.

however, if it's not hurting the child, I suppose it's their right to do so. I don't see how it couldn't be psychologically damaging or something though.

however, if it's not hurting the child, I suppose it's their right to do so. I don't see how it couldn't be psychologically damaging or something though.
Depends how you define "hurting the child" and "psychologically damaging."
We all know these girls seriously have no friends and are probably home schooled.

This article is weird. Really fucking weird. It's about a mother who still breastfeeds her daughter, who's nearly 8 years old. What more can I say.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=328277&imageindex=0
There was a TV programme on this a couple of weeks ago; it was a bit weird to see. To be honest, I got the impression that the desire to continue breastfeeding had more to do with the mother's refusal to give up the bond than any added benefit to the child.

Depends how you define "hurting the child" and "psychologically damaging."
We all know these girls seriously have no friends and are probably home schooled.
I don't even want to try to define them. I am too biased to give a good definition. LOL

I see these parents though, not letting their kids grow up, and it disgusts me. I know of a parent who still bathes with her 9 year old son, something seems wrong about that to me, he is 9, surely he can be trusted to bathe alone. I think that children need independence, it upsets me when parents try to "keep them babies". It seems to me that it is messing with their development.

I don't even want to try to define them. I am too biased to give a good definition. LOL

I see these parents though, not letting their kids grow up, and it disgusts me. I know of a parent who still bathes with her 9 year old son, something seems wrong about that to me, he is 9, surely he can be trusted to bathe alone. I think that children need independence, it upsets me when parents try to "keep them babies". It seems to me that it is messing with their development.Not to mention that it's creepy and seems like pedophile behavior.

If both the child and the mother want to continue doing it, what's the problem? I can't see how this is detrimental to anybody involved.

Yeah- thats weird.

I'm sure now we'll get the avalanche of why its good for the child- even at 8 yrs old, as well as the mother and blah,blah, blah.

I'd hate to be that child. My mum breastfed me until I was two and even then I'm embarassed by that thought (even though, thankfully I can't remember it!). Why would a parent do that to their child?

Although it is very good for you. I am rarely ill, unlike my sister who was premature and as a result bottle fed. So that child, if she's lucky will have four times the extra immune system boost than I have...

Not to mention that it's creepy and seems like pedophile behavior.

Yes. I hear there are hunter-gatherer tribes that spend a lot of time with their children completely naked!!!! They even bathe together like that. Obviously they are all pedophiles.:rolleyes:

I don't even want to try to define them. I am too biased to give a good definition. LOL

I see these parents though, not letting their kids grow up, and it disgusts me. I know of a parent who still bathes with her 9 year old son, something seems wrong about that to me, he is 9, surely he can be trusted to bathe alone. I think that children need independence, it upsets me when parents try to "keep them babies". It seems to me that it is messing with their development.


I dont care how anyone challenges this- an adult bathing with a 9 year old is wrong.
Dont anyone bother showing me reams of bullshit on why its good-because it is just bullshit.

Not to mention that it's creepy and seems like pedophile behavior.
yeah, I thought so too. According to the local department of child services, it's a cultural thing and we shouldn't be "judgmental", although the same department gave a baby with 2 broken legs back to her parents who then killed her brutally, so I don't really trust them much.

I'm sure now we'll get the avalanche of why its good for the child- even at 8 yrs old, as well as the mother and blah,blah, blah.
It is all the fault of our modern Western values which can't understand the majesty and nobility of being completely fucked-up. If only we could revert to our former ways, running around naked, raping each other and waving our penises at passers-by.
*sighs longingly*
Last time I tried that I had to flee the state and still have about 23 warrants out for my arrest. People just don't understand the glory of nature.

yeah, I thought so too. According to the local department of child services, it's a cultural thing and we shouldn't be "judgmental", although the same department gave a baby with 2 broken legs back to her parents who then killed her brutally, so I don't really trust them much.

So, because this department made a horrible mistake concerning a baby, the cultural practice of being naked around your children is wrong.

I'm having some trouble following your logic.

So, because this department made a horrible mistake concerning a baby, the cultural practice of being naked around your children is wrong. all I am saying is that they have made bad decisions in the past, so I don't trust them. btw there is a huge difference between being naked in front of your child (like when I change in front of my girls when we are camping) and bathing with your child. It's not culturally acceptable here to do that. It would be the same as a grown man sleeping naked in the bed with his 8 year old daughter, that doesn't strike you as strange?

Even if Eskimos do it, it's not culutrally acceptable here. It's sick.

It would be the same as a grown man sleeping naked in the bed with his 8 year old daughter, that doesn't strike you as strange?

Even if Eskimos do it, it's not culutrally acceptable here. It's sick.
Well, I would make the distinction between a father having a bath with an 8 year old daughter, which is perhaps a little more questionable, and a mother doing the same thing.

Well, I would make the distinction between a father having a bath with an 8 year old daughter, which is perhaps a little more questionable, and a mother doing the same thing.
why? women abuse children also. What if the father wasn't abusing the daughter sexually? what if the kid just liked to nap with him? would you still find it damaging?

all I am saying is that they have made bad decisions in the past, so I don't trust them. btw there is a huge difference between being naked in front of your child (like when I change in front of my girls when we are camping) and bathing with your child. It's not culturally acceptable here to do that. It would be the same as a grown man sleeping naked in the bed with his 8 year old daughter, that doesn't strike you as strange?

Even if Eskimos do it, it's not culutrally acceptable here. It's sick.

I don't see the difference between being naked in front of your child for bathing purposes as opposed to other reasons, except for the fact that you get wet. As to cultural acceptance, I don't really care about that. As long as I'm not hurting anyone, why should that even be an issue?

I would find it strange if a grown man slept naked with his 8 year old daughter, but only because it's not 'culturally acceptable', not because I think it is somehow 'sick'. For me, things are not 'sick' simply because they are not culturally acceptable.

why? women abuse children also. What if the father wasn't abusing the daughter sexually? what if the kid just liked to nap with him? would you still find it damaging?
I think that while everything possible must be done to keep children safe from abuse, there does come a point when you have to trust parents.

Well, I would make the distinction between a father having a bath with an 8 year old daughter, which is perhaps a little more questionable, and a mother doing the same thing.

What about a woman bathing with her 8 year old son?

I think that while everything possible must be done to keep children safe from abuse, there does come a point when you have to trust parents.
I do trust parents, until they do something that hurts their children. I think that there is a certain age when you shouldn't be bathing with an adult. or more on topic, there is a certain age where it's abnormal to be sucking on your mom.

I would find it strange if a grown man slept naked with his 8 year old daughter, but only because it's not 'culturally acceptable', not because I think it is somehow 'sick'. For me, things are not 'sick' simply because they are not culturally acceptable.
hey you are the one who brought culture into it. I find it sick for an adult to be in the bath with an older child. It has nothing to do with culture for me. I was pointing out that you saying "some other cultures do it" isn't going to apply to situations like that.

So, because this department made a horrible mistake concerning a baby, the cultural practice of being naked around your children is wrong.

I'm having some trouble following your logic.
Your "logic" is completely ignorant of cultural differences - you have no room to talk.

I do trust parents, until they do something that hurts their children. I think that there is a certain age when you shouldn't be bathing with an adult. or more on topic, there is a certain age where it's abnormal to be sucking on your mom.

And that's fine for you and your children. However, if another mother and child wish to continue breastfeeding beyond the age you find acceptable, what is the harm in that?

Your "logic" is completely ignorant of cultural differences - you have no room to talk.

:confused: Whose logic? Mine? or Smunkeeville's?

:confused: Whose logic? Mine? or Smunkeeville's?
Who did I quote.

ISTR that there's a biological block against the fertility machinary switching back on, post-natally, in a lot of other mammals, whereby the early death of offspring bring the mothers back into the breeding population (thus, apart from the direct benefits of removing competative DNA from the troop/pride/whatever, usurping males taking over a hareem can also rush along their female charges into receptive mode by disposing of the old patriarch's younger offspring, as happens in several species...)

To that end, do we know if extended breast-feeding in humans also has a contraceptive effect?

(Don't know why that came to mind but, if it's true, I suspect that it'll have been discovered and passed down as an old wife's tale among the same wise women who knew just what kind of herbs also "protect a woman against having too many children", which turn out to have oral contraceptive effects... Which has nothing to do with the question - it's just a prediction, should there not be so much of a taboo against the practice that the knowledge was lost/never gained in the first place...)

Who did I quote.

You quoted me, so I assume that my logic is ignorant of cultural differences. Can you explain how?

And that's fine for you and your children. However, if another mother and child wish to continue breastfeeding beyond the age you find acceptable, what is the harm in that?
you need to scroll up. I said that I find it weird, but that if it wasn't harming the child then I suppose they should be allowed to do it. I don't see how it isn't harming the child though, then someone asked me to define "harming the child" and I said I am too biased to make that type of determination.

so what exactly is the problem you have with me?

To that end, do we know if extended breast-feeding in humans also has a contraceptive effect?

http://www.fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/factsheets/breastfeeding.htm

To an extent, though it is not as reliable as some other forms of birth control.

you need to scroll up. I said that I find it weird, but that if it wasn't harming the child then I suppose they should be allowed to do it. I don't see how it isn't harming the child though, then someone asked me to define "harming the child" and I said I am too biased to make that type of determination.

so what exactly is the problem you have with me?

I apologise if I have offended you. I guess I wanted to know why you thought it was harming the child, and I misread the post where you said you were too biased to make that type of determination.

I do not have any problem with you. Again, I apologise if I posted anything that could be interpreted as such.

I come from a culture where these things are completely normal, so to see them defined as 'sick' makes me want to know why people think of them as 'sick'.

This article is weird. Really fucking weird. It's about a mother who still breastfeeds her daughter, who's nearly 8 years old. What more can I say.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=328277&imageindex=0
some parents just arent good with food issues. weaning is a stressful thing that some parents avoid by telling themselves that the child will eventually wean themselves

so you get 7 year olds who breastfeed, use a baby bottle, or a pacifier.

some parents make the same mistake with potty training. there are 5 year olds who start school still using diapers or those diapers that masquerade as underwear.

some parents are so frightened at diciplining their children that they never teach their children how to behave and they go to school as horrible brats.

breastfeeding a 7 year old is extreme and it makes me wonder how the girl got past the disapproval of her peers. most kids on finding out that some family practice or other is way out of the norm drop it as quickly as possible so that they fit in with their friends expectations.

I wonder what the reaction would be if she was still breastfeeding her little boys. Probably not good.

that is weird. I know that there are people in my homeschool co-op who do what they call "extended breast feeding" where they still nurse when the child is like 2 or 3, but 8?!

That seems a little too outside the norm to me.

Yeah. I'm still breastfeeding my 2 year old. I don't consider it "extended breastfeeding" though. I consider it normal, even if in this country, in this century, it isn't. A thousand years ago, it would be perfectly normal. Even a hundred years ago.

But I doubt that there was any point in history at which breastfeeding an 8 or 9 year old was normal. Or anything except odd. I don't see anything really WRONG with it, maybe, but... I dunno, it's just a bit freaky, really. It's odd enough sometimes to have a 2 year old come up and say "mommy! mlk peease", but to have an 8 year old say "I never want to be weaned" um, NO.

I used to babysit for the most fucked up family west of the Mississippi. I was editor in chief of my student newspaper in my early college days and there was this 40 year old lady who worke there. She wanted positive male role models for her children. She breast fed her boys until they were ten. Those kids must be in their late twenties now and I'd be shocked if they were on this side of a prison wall.

Yeah. I'm still breastfeeding my 2 year old. I don't consider it "extended breastfeeding" though. I consider it normal, even if in this country, in this century, it isn't. A thousand years ago, it would be perfectly normal. Even a hundred years ago.

But I doubt that there was any point in history at which breastfeeding an 8 or 9 year old was normal. Or anything except odd. I don't see anything really WRONG with it, maybe, but... I dunno, it's just a bit freaky, really. It's odd enough sometimes to have a 2 year old come up and say "mommy! mlk peease", but to have an 8 year old say "I never want to be weaned" um, NO.
yeah. I guess I probably have issues though. In my family your body is well, your body. It's not someone elses. I breastfed my kids because I wanted to, but when they were uninterested I switched them over to something else, I don't understand babies that don't ween themselves. I really don't understand a child who would want to breastfeed, babies I understand, but children.....not so much. I am uncomfortable with the idea of an 8 year old coming up and asking to nurse.......it disturbs me.

To that end, do we know if extended breast-feeding in humans also has a contraceptive effect?

Actually, it does, to some extent. Notably, when you are doing what is known as "breastfeeding on demand" (as opposed to on a schedule - kids tend to want to nurse smaller ammount more often - it's very time consuming to do "on demand", and many mothers set a schedule for feeding) it can postpone the restarting of your menstrual cycle basically as long as your child is drinking enough to keep the hormones balanced that way.

In my case, I was doing it long enough that it was a bit over a year and a half before my cycle returned after having my baby. So yes, it has something of a contraceptive effect in that way, even if you're equally likely to get pregnant once the cycle resumes.

I apologise if I have offended you. I guess I wanted to know why you thought it was harming the child, and I misread the post where you said you were too biased to make that type of determination.

I do not have any problem with you. Again, I apologise if I posted anything that could be interpreted as such.

I come from a culture where these things are completely normal, so to see them defined as 'sick' makes me want to know why people think of them as 'sick'.
sorry. I have PMS. I didn't understand what your problem with me specifically was, but now that I understand that you missed the post, and also don't have a problem with me but are just curious, then I am unoffended. ;)

okay, I think that once kids are old enough to figure out that they are seperate people from their parents, they should be treated as such. You should treat them with the respect you would treat anyone else, even more so. If you wouldn't just take a bath with random people, you shouldn't take a bath with your kid (or even if you would, you should still leave your kid alone) breast milk is for babies, not 8 year olds.

I do have a rather strange parenting style though.

breastfeeding a 7 year old is extreme and it makes me wonder how the girl got past the disapproval of her peers. most kids on finding out that some family practice or other is way out of the norm drop it as quickly as possible so that they fit in with their friends expectations.
The odds the children arn't homeschooled or have any friends are very slim.

I don't see the difference between being naked in front of your child for bathing purposes as opposed to other reasons, except for the fact that you get wet. As to cultural acceptance, I don't really care about that. As long as I'm not hurting anyone, why should that even be an issue?

I would find it strange if a grown man slept naked with his 8 year old daughter, but only because it's not 'culturally acceptable', not because I think it is somehow 'sick'. For me, things are not 'sick' simply because they are not culturally acceptable.

My parents were remarkably free about being naked. They never bothered to close the bathroom door, and were quite happy to walk in on us in the bathroom, no matter what we were doing. At least until we got old enough we no longer WANTED to see them naked, and wanted enough privacy that they wouldn't see us, either. At that point, WE made rules for THEM about knocking, and closing the door themselves.

When kids are small, it's one thing. I still take shower-baths with my 2 year old girl. But if she were a boy, probaby not. We had to make a rule about her not seeing daddy go potty standing up when she tried it once... *laugh* and she showed enough interest in the difference betewen mommy and daddy that we showed her, explained to her, and she doesn't get to get in the shower with daddy anymore. If that applies at age 2, how much more at age 8, or 12? And the parents should be the ones making the rules, not the kids when they realise the lines are already way crossed?

sorry. I have PMS. I didn't understand what your problem with me specifically was, but now that I understand that you missed the post, and also don't have a problem with me but are just curious, then I am unoffended. ;)

okay, I think that once kids are old enough to figure out that they are seperate people from their parents, they should be treated as such. You should treat them with the respect you would treat anyone else, even more so. If you wouldn't just take a bath with random people, you shouldn't take a bath with your kid (or even if you would, you should still leave your kid alone) breast milk is for babies, not 8 year olds.

I do have a rather strange parenting style though.
Your style sounds rather like that of mine...luckily I was weened off rather early. :) And I agree with you that parents bathing with kids is rather creepy. I wouldn't do it if I had kids.

The odds the children arn't homeschooled or have any friends are very slim.
yeah. which does make it a problem rather than just an unusual practice.

My parents were remarkably free about being naked. They never bothered to close the bathroom door, and were quite happy to walk in on us in the bathroom, no matter what we were doing. At least until we got old enough we no longer WANTED to see them naked, and wanted enough privacy that they wouldn't see us, either. At that point, WE made rules for THEM about knocking, and closing the door themselves.
It amazes me that it doesn't bother me for my children to come and use the potty while I am doing my make up. Probably will when they get older though. (actually it will probably bother them more than it does me.)

It doesn't bother me for my kids to see me in a towel on the way to my bedroom from the shower, or to see their dad in his robe doing the same. It would bother me if a guest came over and tried the same thing though, that's weird right? (and no, I wouldn't be going around in my towel if guests were over)





When kids are small, it's one thing. I still take shower-baths with my 2 year old girl. But if she were a boy, probaby not. We had to make a rule about her not seeing daddy go potty standing up when she tried it once... *laugh* and she showed enough interest in the difference betewen mommy and daddy that we showed her, explained to her, and she doesn't get to get in the shower with daddy anymore. If that applies at age 2, how much more at age 8, or 12? And the parents should be the ones making the rules, not the kids when they realise the lines are already way crossed?
yep. I agree.

yeah. which does make it a problem rather than just an unusual practice.
your problem is with the homeschooling or with the lack of friends?

your problem is with the homeschooling or with the lack of friends?
the problem would be a 7 year old girl who is still breastfeeding and is being kept home and isolated.

its not 100% sure to be a problem but it sure would need to be investigated.

it would need all 3 things not one or even 2.

the problem would be a 7 year old girl who is still breastfeeding and is being kept home and isolated.

its not 100% sure to be a problem but it sure would need to be investigated.

it would need all 3 things not one or even 2.
interesting. Thank you for explaining.

the problem would be a 7 year old girl who is still breastfeeding and is being kept home and isolated.

its not 100% sure to be a problem but it sure would need to be investigated.

it would need all 3 things not one or even 2.

um, and is being kept home and isolated.
those two certainly aren't good! :eek: (medical conditions aside, and STILL...)

I believe that children have developmental cycles (http://www.darvsmith.com/dox/developmentalissues.html) that need to be followed or harm follows. I believe a child will USUALLY go through the cycles him/herself and no intervention is needed, HOWEVER the very role of a parent is to guide your children through this world! You cannot waiver through the rough bad times and although right and wrong are a murky gray there is a black and white cliffs on opposing sides that some parents seem running towards!:(

liberal parents are only potentially bad because some kids are smart,
domineering parents are only potentially bad because some kids are stupid! :D

That is a good parenting model to follow in my humble option, but then I'm closer to child then parent...

I guess I'm more liberal about bathing with other females than some of you tend to be. I can recall taking baths with my best frined until we were probably 12ish. It was after we both started developing phyiscally that we stopped. And I remember one time when I was visiting my cousins, my one cousin who was about the same age as I was, and I were going to take a shower together, and were asked to take along our 5 year old cousin. We were probably 12 or 13, and both in the middle of growing breasts, and both very self-concious about it. She was a little larger than I was. Neither of us would've said a word to the other, but our little cousin looked up at us and considered. The she said to me "You look like Eve." And immediately turned to my other cousin and said "but YOU look more like Eve than she does!"

We never bathed together again, but we told our younger cousin that story a few years ago when she was about the age we were when it happened. She turned BEET red and apologiezed for days.

um, and is being kept home and isolated.
those two certainly aren't good! :eek: (medical conditions aside, and STILL...)


no they arent good but they arent necessarily true just because a child is homeschooled and has no friends.

i was just trying to spell out the problem i had with a 7 year old child who breastfeeds is homeschooled and had no friends so i cut to the chase.

the vast majority of homeschooling parents are thoughtful loving parents who only have the best interests of their children at heart

but there is a small minority of parents who are vile abusive nutcases who homeschool their children so that no one realizes what is being done to them.

so society needs to keep an eye out for signs that what should be a loving home is really a disfunctional nightmare. (there are also many abusive parents who send their kids to school but its easier to see the signs of abuse in kids who are right in front of you than in kids who you never see)

I don't even want to try to define them. I am too biased to give a good definition. LOL

I see these parents though, not letting their kids grow up, and it disgusts me. I know of a parent who still bathes with her 9 year old son, something seems wrong about that to me, he is 9, surely he can be trusted to bathe alone. I think that children need independence, it upsets me when parents try to "keep them babies". It seems to me that it is messing with their development.
IF that is in fact what they are doing. Bathing or not bathing with your child, breastfeeding etc...there are generally culturally-defined limits that can vary, culture to culture. Among aboriginal women, breastfeeding to age 5 is pretty common. Eight would be extreme, but 5 is not 'weird'. Japanese families don't have issues with bathing together. As long as the child is not being abused, qué será, será.

I dont care how anyone challenges this- an adult bathing with a 9 year old is wrong.
Dont anyone bother showing me reams of bullshit on why its good-because it is just bullshit.
:rolleyes:
Damn Japanese...a whole nation of pedophiles...let's bomb them!

IF that is in fact what they are doing. Bathing or not bathing with your child, breastfeeding etc...there are generally culturally-defined limits that can vary, culture to culture. Among aboriginal women, breastfeeding to age 5 is pretty common. Eight would be extreme, but 5 is not 'weird'. Japanese families don't have issues with bathing together. As long as the child is not being abused, qué será, será.


I'm going to have to examine your breasts.

:rolleyes:
Damn Japanese...a whole nation of pedophiles...let's bomb them!


I havent said pedophiles yet. I also havent suggested that people with different values and customs than I be bombed.

It might do some good though.

yeah. I guess I probably have issues though. In my family your body is well, your body. It's not someone elses. I breastfed my kids because I wanted to, but when they were uninterested I switched them over to something else, I don't understand babies that don't ween themselves. I really don't understand a child who would want to breastfeed, babies I understand, but children.....not so much. I am uncomfortable with the idea of an 8 year old coming up and asking to nurse.......it disturbs me.
Neither of my daughters would have 'weaned themselves'. They literally had to be taken away from me until my milk dried up.

I'm going to have to examine your breasts.
When living up North with my kids, I was considered rather strange for weaning them so early. I had to because of going back to work...the first one remained breast fed until 2, and the second got cut off earlier. I would have been fine nursing them longer.

My breasts are actually a bit smaller than they were before I got pregnant, and I can't quite figure that out...

When living up North with my kids, I was considered rather strange for weaning them so early. I had to because of going back to work...the first one remained breast fed until 2, and the second got cut off earlier. I would have been fine nursing them longer.

My breasts are actually a bit smaller than they were before I got pregnant, and I can't quite figure that out...

If thats the case, you're probably lucky. Some women have nursing and gravity to thank for stretched out, saggy mammaries. If yours are high and tight after two kids and god knows how many years old you are, thats great!!:p

Neither of my daughters would have 'weaned themselves'. They literally had to be taken away from me until my milk dried up.
hmm. my kids weened themselves, pretty much. I mean I had to watch for the signs, but yeah, they pretty much let me know when they were tired of nursing, and so I switched them over to the cup. My oldest gave up her paci at 4 months, and my youngest gave hers up at 11 months (she wouldn't have been on it so long, but she was very sick and in the hospital)

the oldest pretty much potty trained herself too, she just decided to use the potty one day, and has only had 2 accidents since. I guess I have easy kids. (or I hang out with them way too much and notice things other people wouldn't.)

Neither of my daughters would have 'weaned themselves'. They literally had to be taken away from me until my milk dried up.

Nevertheless, I'd venture, like you, to guess that it was better for them to be weaned than otherwise.

I have a problem with that woman, but not because it's "sick" or "wrong". I simply think it's foolish to encourage that kind of dependence on anyone, whether parent, boyfriend/girlfriend, whatever. Sure, in other cultures they have different practices, because they have different societal needs. But in our culture (and by the way, why the hell is something wrong simply because it's a Western cultural belief), we need to make our children independent and capable, because that is what our society requires in its citizens. As such, I don't really see how it matters if some goofy tribe in New Guinnea does it; we don't live in a society in New Guinnea, we live in an industrialized capitalist state.

If thats the case, you're probably lucky. Some women have nursing and gravity to thank for stretched out, saggy mammaries. If yours are high and tight after two kids and god knows how many years old you are, thats great!!:p
28 thank you very much! *stomps off in a huff*

IF that is in fact what they are doing. Bathing or not bathing with your child, breastfeeding etc...there are generally culturally-defined limits that can vary, culture to culture. Among aboriginal women, breastfeeding to age 5 is pretty common. Eight would be extreme, but 5 is not 'weird'. Japanese families don't have issues with bathing together. As long as the child is not being abused, qué será, será.
that's what I said in my original post. I am biased on the subject, but I don't see a problem as long as it's not damaging the child. I probably do things with my kids that other parents would find weird, but I am not hurting them so it should be my right to raise them as I want.

I just don't see how what the cultural norm somewhere else, should change how I feel about the cultural norm where I am, I am not saying it's wrong, I said it's weird. It's not the culutral norm in America to breastfeed your child up into elementary school, thus making it weird.

28 thank you very much! *stomps off in a huff*


*interestedly watches her ass as she stomps off*

If thats the case, you're probably lucky. Some women have nursing and gravity to thank for stretched out, saggy mammaries. If yours are high and tight after two kids and god knows how many years old you are, thats great!!:p
.. and another reason to share graphical evidence.

Rather thread-related, I take issue with all those comments that related physical contact and/or nudity between parents and children above the baby age with pedophiles/'sickness'/etc.

I remember that "How old is too old to bathe with your kid" threat from months ago, and it's too bad we haven't quite reached the agreement here we had there, that is, that those things vary greatly from family to family and that it can and will be totally normal in most instances.

I, myself, find it more odd to have a problem with being seen in a towel by strangers than to see my parents naked on a regular basis (yes, I'm 20, from something you'd call a 'Western civilized culture' and not psychologically damaged, don't worry). I'd like to see people accept that feelings about nakedness and body contact, especially between parents and their kids, differ greatly and have nothing at all to do with sexuality.

Anyone remember that comment from [forgot who] in the tipping thread about how people who take offense at a nursing mum in public have just not learned to see body parts in a de-sexualized context? I think it's the same concept here, when I interact with my father in the nude it is about the most de-sexualized context I can imagine, and therefore it doesn't matter in that situation whether I'm 2 or 20.

.. and another reason to share graphical evidence.

Rather thread-related, I take issue with all those comments that related physical contact and/or nudity between parents and children above the baby age with pedophiles/'sickness'/etc.

I remember that "How old is too old to bathe with your kid" threat from months ago, and it's too bad we haven't quite reached the agreement here we had there, that is, that those things vary greatly from family to family and that it can and will be totally normal in most instances.

I, myself, find it more odd to have a problem with being seen in a towel by strangers than to see my parents naked on a regular basis (yes, I'm 20 and not psychologically damaged, don't worry). I'd like to see people accept that feelings about nakedness and body contact, especially between parents and their kids, differ greatly and have nothing at all to do with sexuality.

Anyone remember that comment from [forgot who] in the tipping thread about how people who take offense at a nursing mum in public have just not learned to see body parts in a de-sexualized context? I think it's the same concept here, when I interact with my father in the nude it is about the most de-sexualized context I can imagine, and therefore it doesn't matter in that situation whether I'm 2 or 20.

(I think you mean me, again... perhaps)

If you mean:

"I don't get it. I think, maybe, some people can't 'turn off' their sex circuitry... so, if they see a breast, it automatically equates to something sexual.

As far as I'm concerned, breastfeeding isn't 'sexy', but it IS really cute (like teddybear or cartoon cute). I guess some people can't justify or recognise a distinction.

And, I don't just mean men.... some women don't appear to be able to tolerate bared breasts either... not because it turns them on (one assumes), but maybe because it makes them aware of their own 'geography'...?"

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10549793&postcount=192

I swear, you only use me for my brains.... ;)

.. and another reason to share graphical evidence.

Rather thread-related, I take issue with all those comments that related physical contact and/or nudity between parents and children above the baby age with pedophiles/'sickness'/etc.

I remember that "How old is too old to bathe with your kid" threat from months ago, and it's too bad we haven't quite reached the agreement here we had there, that is, that those things vary greatly from family to family and that it can and will be totally normal in most instances.

I, myself, find it more odd to have a problem with being seen in a towel by strangers than to see my parents naked on a regular basis (yes, I'm 20 and not psychologically damaged, don't worry). I'd like to see people accept that feelings about nakedness and body contact, especially between parents and their kids, differ greatly and have nothing at all to do with sexuality.

Anyone remember that comment from [forgot who] in the tipping thread about how people who take offense at a nursing mum in public have just not learned to see body parts in a de-sexualized context? I think it's the same concept here, when I interact with my father in the nude it is about the most de-sexualized context I can imagine, and therefore it doesn't matter in that situation whether I'm 2 or 20.

My experience is a lot different from yours. I've never seen my parents naked and my wife and I arent nude around our kids. Its just not our thing.

I have no problem with women breast feeding in public. Of course, no matter how discrete they are about it, it usually catches my attention-its interesting. I certainly dont make an issue out of it, or act any differently.
I see it as a natural and normal function between a mother and child-and hope they can continue to do so in peace, without gaining the wrong type of attention.

I just don't see how what the cultural norm somewhere else, should change how I feel about the cultural norm where I am, I am not saying it's wrong, I said it's weird. It's not the culutral norm in America to breastfeed your child up into elementary school, thus making it weird.
This is kind of an extreme example, the breastfeeding so late. I'm not particularly comfortable with it, but it doesn't REALLY bother me either. Breastfeeding dogs (from a previous article) would freak me out completely.:confused:

But, family culture is different than the wider social culture. My kids, in my home, are not raised as 'Canadians'. They are Chilean, and Cree, and the way we interact at home is not dictated by how things work 'outside'. Plenty of things we do at home might be considered weird. We smudge before family meals (which, since my husband is gone so much, are actually rare), and when we have my family over to visit. And so on. They know that our family culture is not how other people necessarily do things...because they've seen other people in their homes.

Anyway. Cultural norms are just guidelines.

This is kind of an extreme example, the breastfeeding so late. I'm not particularly comfortable with it, but it doesn't REALLY bother me either. Breastfeeding dogs (from a previous article) would freak me out completely.:confused:

But, family culture is different than the wider social culture. My kids, in my home, are not raised as 'Canadians'. They are Chilean, and Cree, and the way we interact at home is not dictated by how things work 'outside'. Plenty of things we do at home might be considered weird. We smudge before family meals (which, since my husband is gone so much, are actually rare), and when we have my family over to visit. And so on. They know that our family culture is not how other people necessarily do things...because they've seen other people in their homes.

Anyway. Cultural norms are just guidelines.
yeah, I get that. I think like I said earlier I really am too biased to draw that line, you know the one between "this is kinda weird, but okay" and "this is not only weird but damaging to the child"

My experience is a lot different from yours. I've never seen my parents naked and my wife and I arent nude around our kids. Its just not our thing.

I have no problem with women breast feeding in public. Of course, no matter how discrete they are about it, it usually catches my attention-its interesting. I certainly dont make an issue out of it, or act any differently.
I see it as a natural and normal function between a mother and child-and hope they can continue to do so in peace, without gaining the wrong type of attention.
I was always very prudish as a kid. My parents respected that. I never liked being nude around people past age 3...and not again until I was about 19:). My brothers on the other hand were like a tribe of naked wildboys, and you couldn't keep their clothes on them! When they saw a glimpse of flesh on tv, they didn't blink. I would blush down to my toes and go do something so I didn't have to see it again. I was horribly uncomfortable with nudity, with sexuality and with proximity....my girlfriends were very touchy feely and I always hated it. No, I was never sexually abused, so I can only assume I was just naturally reserved in that way.

All this changed of course once I had my first kid. Being naked and spread-eagled in front of a bunch of strangers can have that effect. I could care less if my tit falls out of my blouse, or if someone caught a peek of my nipple while I breastfed WITHOUT a suffocating receiving blanket. My kids don't seem the least bit bothered by nudity, for which I am grateful.

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But, family culture is different than the wider social culture. My kids, in my home, are not raised as 'Canadians'. They are Chilean, and Cree, and the way we interact at home is not dictated by how things work 'outside'. Plenty of things we do at home might be considered weird. We smudge before family meals (which, since my husband is gone so much, are actually rare), and when we have my family over to visit. And so on. They know that our family culture is not how other people necessarily do things...because they've seen other people in their homes.

Anyway. Cultural norms are just guidelines.


My family and I vomit after we have a family meal. :p

yeah, I get that. I think like I said earlier I really am too biased to draw that line, you know the one between "this is kinda weird, but okay" and "this is not only weird but damaging to the child"
Ah hell...I suppose anything is potentially damaging to a kid. I remember hearing some guy complain about how he is in therapy and has issues because his mom didn't breast feed him. I thought, 'you really can't win, can you?' I guess you just need to pay attention to your kids and make sure they are okay with things, and not push them into too much that they don't want to do. I say too much, because my mom let me out of learning how to swim and that was just dumb. We also need to pay attention to other kids that may be in our care, as teachers, babysitters, or whatever...but we don't need to go to extremes and start getting the pitchforks out if one family walks around naked in their home.

Anyway. It depends. Hopefully we can all agree on that, for the most part.

](I think you mean me, again... perhaps)

If you mean:

"I don't get it. I think, maybe, some people can't 'turn off' their sex circuitry... so, if they see a breast, it automatically equates to something sexual.

As far as I'm concerned, breastfeeding isn't 'sexy', but it IS really cute (like teddybear or cartoon cute). I guess some people can't justify or recognise a distinction.

And, I don't just mean men.... some women don't appear to be able to tolerate bared breasts either... not because it turns them on (one assumes), but maybe because it makes them aware of their own 'geography'...?"

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10549793&postcount=192

I swear, you only use me for my brains.... ;)[/SIZE]
Yes, that'd be the post I meant.

Of course, you have nothing else to offer for me, do you?

My experience is a lot different from yours. I've never seen my parents naked and my wife and I arent nude around our kids. Its just not our thing.
I guess it is. And I'm absolutely fine with your family's feelings about these things, my post wasn't about how everyone should have my family's attitudes on this matter. All I was asking for is to not judge other families' actions on your [that's a general 'you'] attitudes on this, and/or to put them in a group with sexually motivated behaviour just because that is what it would/could be if it happened in a family with your standards.

I see it as a natural and normal function between a mother and child-and hope they can continue to do so in peace, without gaining the wrong type of attention.
See, that's what many people don't share, opinion-/feeling-wise, but that doesn't/wouldn't make your wife's breastfeeding weird or wrong or sexual in any way.
The same as somebody else's (legitimate) more restricted feelings on parental nudity and body contact don't make mine wrong or sexual.

My family and I vomit after we have a family meal. :p
Have you constructed a tile vomitorium? I like how you have maintained your ethnicity by keeping ancient Roman customs alive!

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..... I could care less if my tit falls out of my blouse, or if someone caught a peek of my nipple while I breastfed WITHOUT a suffocating receiving blanket. My kids don't seem the least bit bothered by nudity, for which I am grateful.


Do they often fall out?

We smudge before family meals .. My family and I vomit after we have a family meal. :p

Okay, you have me slightly disturbed here, and my dictionary isn't helping me much. Would you care to explain to poor little English-handicapped me what the hell you mean by smudging?

Do they often fall out?
FOCUS! QUIT STARING AT MY CHEST!

Have you constructed a tile vomitorium? I like how you have maintained your ethnicity by keeping ancient Roman customs alive!

I dont think the Romans actually constructed rooms specifically to vomit in-I think thats more a myth.
They are know to have vomited after meals.

I'd use marble anyway. We do keep some Roman customs alive in my house, but thats the subject of another thread.

FOCUS! QUIT STARING AT MY CHEST!
You discriminate against my focus. You will need to accept that my focus is just as good as yours, as long as I focus just as hard and dedicatedly.

FOCUS! QUIT STARING AT MY CHEST!

Sorry-I'll admit that breast are infinately interesting and appealing to me.

Not just any breast-I'm not some tit-monkey.

Anyway. It depends. Hopefully we can all agree on that, for the most part.
I can agree. :cool:

Okay, you have me slightly disturbed here, and my dictionary isn't helping me much. Would you care to explain to poor little English-handicapped me what the hell you mean by smudging?

Sin offered a custom that is popular amongst her culture and I mocked it with something more prevalent amongst my ancestors.

She burns incense (amongst other stuff,I'm sure) before meals and I joked that we vomit after meals.

both bring you to the same end- the purging of evil spirits....:p

[-snip-]
...but we don't need to go to extremes and start getting the pitchforks out if one family walks around naked in their home.

Anyway. It depends. Hopefully we can all agree on that, for the most part.

No, I can't. The idea of poking people who walk around their house naked with pitchforks through open windows appeals to me too much to give it up.

She burns incense (amongst other studd,I'm sure) before meals and I joked that we vomit after meals.
Sweetgrass is NOT incense. Remember, I'm the Indian with the feathers, not the dot.

Sweetgrass is NOT incense. Remember, I'm the Indian with the feathers, not the dot.

Oh yeah- I keep forgeting where the button I press to start your motor is.

Okay, you have me slightly disturbed here, and my dictionary isn't helping me much. Would you care to explain to poor little English-handicapped me what the hell you mean by smudging?
Sorry, I missed this question until Carn quoted it. Smudging means burning sweetgrass or sage which is usually braided, blowing out the flame and letting the smoke 'clense' us. We do it when we move into a new home. We do it before meetings, to cleanse our spirits and let us speak with clarity. The act of smudging is different depending on the purpose. For meals, we smudge to the cardinal points. For meetings or gatherings, we smudge ourselved, and 'wash' ourselves in the smoke, eyes, hearts, minds. That's as brief a description as I can give of something that can be both very simple and very complicated.

Oh yeah- I keep forgeting where the button I press to start your motor is.
Trust me, it's not in the middle of my forehead:)

Was it you who was groping my ass in my dream last night? It happened after I showed off my dancing skills (again, in my dream). If so, thanks. It put me in a good mood!

No, I can't. The idea of poking people who walk around their house naked with pitchforks through open windows appeals to me too much to give it up.
Evil woman.

Sin offered a custom that is popular amongst her culture and I mocked it with something more prevalent amongst my ancestors.
Thankyouverymuch, I got that far.
/mock sulking

She burns incense (amongst other stuff,I'm sure) before meals .... the purging of evil spirits....:p

Sweetgrass is NOT incense.
Good, good. Now, if you pardon my curiosity, what exactly do you do? Do you have a little bowl and burn it there and wave it around like I saw the Catholics do with their incense at other occasions?

Sorry, I missed this question until Carn quoted it. Smudging means burning sweetgrass or sage which is usually braided, blowing out the flame and letting the smoke 'clense' us. We do it when we move into a new home. We do it before meetings, to cleanse our spirits and let us speak with clarity. The act of smudging is different depending on the purpose. For meals, we smudge to the cardinal points. For meetings or gatherings, we smudge ourselved, and 'wash' ourselves in the smoke, eyes, hearts, minds. That's as brief a description as I can give of something that can be both very simple and very complicated.
Sorry, thread is moving to fast for me. Now, allow me to display some more non-English ignorance and ask what 'cardinal points' are? *really tries hard to picture what it is you are doing there*

Evil woman.
Don't say.

Trust me, it's not in the middle of my forehead:)

Was it you who was groping my ass in my dream last night? It happened after I showed off my dancing skills (again, in my dream). If so, thanks. It put me in a good mood!


That was my thought too.


It could have been. Usually, it doesnt take long for me to appear somehow in someone's dream. Aparently, there is something about me that leaves an impression on the subconscious of people that get to know me a little. A secretary at the bank I worked at used to often and come in blushing those mornings feigning anger at me. I'm happy to say its only women that have admitted this to me.

If I ever became aware of how to control that, I'd be in charge of everything.

I'll look foward to a dream about you dancing tonight, but unfortunately, I dont usually recall my dreams. Maybe,I'm not there for mine-I'm in other people's too often.

Sorry, thread is moving to fast for me. Now, allow me to display some more non-English ignorance and ask what 'cardinal points' are? *really tries hard to picture what it is you are doing there*
north, east, south, west.

(I think, we have slightly different Indians here)

Good, good. Now, if you pardon my curiosity, what exactly do you do? Do you have a little bowl and burn it there and wave it around like I saw the Catholics do with their incense at other occasions?
We use a shell to hold it in. I haven't been gifted an eagle feather, so we use our hands to waft it. I could use a feather, even an eagle feather I suppose, even not having been gifted one...many do...but I don't think it is right.

Ok- dont want to appear rude-I'm interested, but my son is done with homework and its time to get those last few words learned/reviewed.

Be well all.

north, east, south, west.


Yes.

See you, Carn! Tell you son we all wish him good luck!

"Hey son, a bunch of anonymous strangers on the internet wish you luck!"

"Um, ok....that's um....really....nice. Dad. Yeah."

north, east, south, west.

(I think, we have slightly different Indians here)
Oh. Please note that I do know what the cardinal points are, then, I just didn't know that was what they were called. *feels majorly stupid now*

At least you get some at all. Indians pwn Vikings or whatever the hell I'd have to call 'my' 'natives'.

We use a shell to hold it in. I haven't been gifted an eagle feather, so we use our hands to waft it. I could use a feather, even an eagle feather I suppose, even not having been gifted one...many do...but I don't think it is right.
Okay..look, now that I managed to get this thread off-topic already, allow me to ask further..so the eagle is special to you? That is, supposing that 'being gifted' means something like being presented with it in some kind of deservedness ceremony or something? If so, when and why do you get to be gifted one?
Please do forgive my blatant ignorance on anything 'native'. If you feel any of this to be intruding or too stupid to be answered, just tell me, yes?

Yes.
I thought so. I used to be friends with a Cherokee Indian, his dad came in and blessed my apartment with sage when I moved. It was nice. I used to go to Pow Wow with him and his family, his sisters would go in full dress and dance it was soo cool.

Yes.

See you, Carn! Tell you son we all wish him good luck!

"Hey son, a bunch of anonymous strangers on the internet wish you luck!"

"Um, ok....that's um....really....nice. Dad. Yeah."

Indeed. Still have those fingers crossed, as you know.

And no, Sin, that's " a bunch of those freaky Generalites, among them that hot woman with those superb, non-gravity-affected tits I told you about, wish you good luck". I think he appreciates it.

Okay..look, now that I managed to get this thread off-topic already, allow me to ask further..so the eagle is special to you? That is, supposing that 'being gifted' means something like being presented with it in some kind of deservedness ceremony or something? If so, when and why do you get to be gifted one?
Please do forgive my blatant ignorance on anything 'native'. If you feel any of this to be intruding or too stupid to be answered, just tell me, yes?
Never fear, I'm open with my criticism of questions i consider to be intrusive:)

And if the OP wants to spank me for further straying, I welcome his advances. No, really DC...a spanking would be nice:)

Ok, an eagle feather is special because it represents wisdom and courage. An eagle feather is sacred. You don't just pluck one from the bird itself, and you don't 'gift' yourself with one. You can be gifted (given) an eagle feather for certain things, helping your community, sometimes just by graduating from school...it depends. It is an honour, but no one is guaranteed one, and it doesn't mean you don't deserve one just because no one has given one to you, but the giving is important. When we speak at meetings, we often hold the eagle feather. It shows people that it is our turn to speak, and it represents strength and clarity of spirit so we can say what we must.

Never fear, I'm open with my criticism of questions i consider to be intrusive:)
Somehow, this makes me curious..

Ok, an eagle feather is special because it represents wisdom and courage. An eagle feather is sacred. You don't just pluck one from the bird itself, and you don't 'gift' yourself with one. You can be gifted (given) an eagle feather for certain things, helping your community, sometimes just by graduating from school...it depends. It is an honour, but no one is guaranteed one, and it doesn't mean you don't deserve one just because no one has given one to you, but the giving is important. When we speak at meetings, we often hold the eagle feather. It shows people that it is our turn to speak, and it represents strength and clarity of spirit so we can say what we must.
I see.
Look, I'm totally intrigued by now, is there any way that you could relay some info to me as to (oh Elks, this sounds stupid typing it already, did I already mention being totally non-informed on things 'native'?), like, the more specific 'tribe' or whatever the hell one calls it you'd identify with? 'Cause I got far enough to realize that "Canadian Indian" is only going to get me so far when going on my own little info hunt..and in case this is intruding..umm..apologies..

At least you get some at all. Indians pwn Vikings or whatever the hell I'd have to call 'my' 'natives'.

Vikings pwn all other natives. Well actually Vikings rape the natives, take them as slaves and pillage their valuables. But the two are fairly synonymous.

Somehow, this makes me curious..
I see.
Look, I'm totally intrigued by now, is there any way that you could relay some info to me as to (oh Elks, this sounds stupid typing it already, did I already mention being totally non-informed on things 'native'?), like, the more specific 'tribe' or whatever the hell one calls it you'd identify with? 'Cause I got far enough to realize that "Canadian Indian" is only going to get me so far when going on my own little info hunt..and in case this is intruding..umm..apologies..
Sorry...long phone call. I'm a Cree, which in our language is nehiyawak (that's plural). What info are you looking for? I could start a thread...

Yes, that'd be the post I meant.

Of course, you have nothing else to offer for me, do you?


English accent, maybe? And... erm... no, that's about it. :)

Sorry...long phone call. I'm a Cree, which in our language is nehiyawak (that's plural). What info are you looking for? I could start a thread...
Sorry, laundry and disturbing songs/videos. *glares*
Anyhow, I might have been looking for that. And yes, do start a thread for me to bug you with questions 'till one of us gives up. Please.

English accent, maybe? And... erm... no, that's about it. :)
I've been informed of your accent, and no, I don't think I'll roll for that. Your nam brings a smile to my face every time I see you post, though, that's doing a lot already. So, umm, post more.

Sorry...long phone call. I'm a Cree, which in our language is nehiyawak (that's plural). What info are you looking for? I could start a thread...

yES, i THINK YOU SHOULD START A THREAD. Sorry about the Caps lock. And while we are on the subject, you could teach us about Cree culture by teaching us the language. Your spanish language thread was excellent.

I've been informed of your accent, and no, I don't think I'll roll for that. Your nam brings a smile to my face every time I see you post, though, that's doing a lot already. So, umm, post more.

You been 'informed'? What happened, I took a few days off General and someone starts a "let's assassinate Grave's accent" thread?

Ah well, I aim to please. It's weird to see myself quoted at top AND bottom of someone's posts, though.... :)

School must be hell for her.

"Haha you suck on your momma's booby!"

You been 'informed'? What happened, I took a few days off General and someone starts a "let's assassinate Grave's accent" thread?
No, but it's hard to miss Peech's comments about your accent in that one thread or the other.

Ah well, I aim to please. It's weird to see myself quoted at top AND bottom of someone's posts, though.... :)
You aim well. Gunman experience?

[QUOTE=SoWiBi]No, but it's hard to miss Peech's comments about your accent in that one thread or the other.


QUOTE]


Ahh...it's like music to my ears.

Ahh...it's like music to my ears.
I aim to please..

I aim to please..


I meant GNI's accent....but I am pleased by you as well. I enjoy your presence on NS.:)

I meant GNI's accent....but I am pleased by you as well. I enjoy your presence on NS.:)
The brown-nosing thread is long gone, dear.

The brown-nosing thread is long gone, dear.


I dont brown nose. I just speak the truth.

I dont brown nose. I just speak the truth.
Tsk. My English may be patchy in some areas, but 'truth' is a concept I already grasp, even in your language. Don't try to fool me, even though it's Midnight already with me.

School must be hell for her.

"Haha you suck on your momma's booby!"
Specaly now that it was on the news with their pictures ... it will be intresting

Tsk. My English may be patchy in some areas, but 'truth' is a concept I already grasp, even in your language. Don't try to fool me, even though it's Midnight already with me.


hmm...

ok. I was just saying that I "dig you". Certainly not trying to fool you.



Edit: oh and on topic, I think breast feeding a seven year old is beyond ridiculous.

You aim well. Gunman experience?

I need a little 'looks-both-ways' smilie.... it wasn't me... I was on an entirely different grassy knoll...

:)

ok. I was just saying that I "dig you". Certainly not trying to fool you.
Uncle Gravy, could you please go and tell her how I meant it? She seems to be taking me seriously. I'm scared and can't deal with that.
I need a little 'looks-both-ways' smilie.... it wasn't me... I was on an entirely different grassy knoll...
I know..but with it being Lent, I wasn't going to refer to certain sandwich options. I'm a good girl, you know.

Uncle Gravy, could you please go and tell her how I meant it? She seems to be taking me seriously. I'm scared and can't deal with that.


It's okay, she's one of those Smart flavoured cookies. I'm sure she'll see right through your elaborate facade. :)


I know..but with it being Lent, I wasn't going to refer to certain sandwich options. I'm a good girl, you know.

I'd heard that, you know? That you were a 'good' girl? I wonder if that means something else where you are....

(Teasing! Teasing! No killing me!)

It's okay, she's one of those Smart flavoured cookies. I'm sure she'll see right through your elaborate facade. :)





I must have taken it wrong. I thought maybe she didnt like me anymore. We had been friendly in other threads. Of course, I cant be held responsible for anything I say or do or think for the next 72 hours or so. I'm medicating myself with an array of decongestants and antihistimines.....so I may very well start speaking Latin shortly.

It's okay, she's one of those Smart flavoured cookies. I'm sure she'll see right through your elaborate facade. :)
Oooh, Smart goes well with Chocolate Chips, I like it.

I'd heard that, you know? That you were a 'good' girl? I wonder if that means something else where you are..
You heard that? I must say I find that slightly disconcerting.

(Teasing! Teasing! No killing me!)
I never would. I'm a good girl, after all.

I must have taken it wrong. I thought maybe she didnt like me anymore. We had been friendly in other threads. Of course, I cant be held responsible for anything I say or do or think for the next 72 hours or so. I'm medicating myself with an array of decongestants and antihistimines.....so I may very well start speaking Latin shortly.
Don't worry, I'm very vocal about it in a way you cannot possibly miss when I don't like somebody (anymore). If there is only a shadow of reasonable doubt, I will never be serious. No matter what the topic at hand.

Well, it's 2 a.m. in the morning and I just finished a discussion about stranger emn in my kitchen whacking fruit that they then proceed to pelt me with, I refuse to accept responsibility for my posts too. Not that I ever accepted it anyhow, but, you know..

This article is weird. Really fucking weird. It's about a mother who still breastfeeds her daughter, who's nearly 8 years old. What more can I say.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=328277&imageindex=0

For fucks sake man, jeez! I am glad to see there is something we can completely agree on! Happy 9th birthday uurrggghh!!

I once new a woman who brestfed her son till age 7. She had to draw a monster on her breast to scare the kid away for good

Don't worry, I'm very vocal about it in a way you cannot possibly miss when I don't like somebody (anymore). If there is only a shadow of reasonable doubt, I will never be serious. No matter what the topic at hand.

Well, it's 2 a.m. in the morning and I just finished a discussion about stranger emn in my kitchen whacking fruit that they then proceed to pelt me with, I refuse to accept responsibility for my posts too. Not that I ever accepted it anyhow, but, you know..


Good. Thanks for setting me straight. Now we can kiss and make up. (they really need a kissing smilie on here....maybe replace one of the stupid gun smilies with one?)

Oooh, Smart goes well with Chocolate Chips, I like it.


Oooh, an appeal to chocolate chips... you'll have Peech eating out of your hand, or something.


You heard that? I must say I find that slightly disconcerting.


Did I say 'heard'? Don't know what I was saying, sorry. I was thinking about an entirely different network of spies.


I never would. I'm a good girl, after all.

Filled with confidence now, that's me. Where's that list of 'things I have to do before I die'...?

Good. Thanks for setting me straight. Now we can kiss and make up. (they really need a kissing smilie on here....maybe replace one of the stupid gun smilies with one?)
How odd for me to set you straight before kissing. I hate being counterproductive.

Oooh, an appeal to chocolate chips... you'll have Peech eating out of your hand, or something.
We haven't quite arrived at the eating part yet, it's only kissing so far. I'll keep you posted, though.

Did I say 'heard'? Don't know what I was saying, sorry. I was thinking about an entirely different network of spies.
Yeah, one can get confused. *nods with full stalker wisdom*

Filled with confidence now, that's me. Where's that list of 'things I have to do before I die'...?
Oh, right here. I borrowed it to read it for a sec to better adjust to your needs.

well, milk does a body good.... except for the mother...

Good. Thanks for setting me straight. Now we can kiss and make up. (they really need a kissing smilie on here....maybe replace one of the stupid gun smilies with one?)

:fluffle: ?

We haven't quite arrived at the eating part yet, it's only kissing so far. I'll keep you posted, though.


You can do an update thread. The "SoWiBi and Peech: Story So Far" thread. One thread, with a LOT of hits...


Yeah, one can get confused. *nods with full stalker wisdom*


Confused? They weren't supposed to have begun the medicati.... oh... you mean just like 'regular' confused...

Nothing to see here...


Oh, right here. I borrowed it to read it for a sec to better adjust to your needs.

No, that's my "Things to see, and people to do" list.

I'd wondered where that was...

:fluffle: ?
I don't think so! There's way too much backrubbing going on with that one, and I'm rather sensitive around my back.

I don't think so! There's way too much backrubbing going on with that one, and I'm rather sensitive around my back.

Unfortunately, Jolt isn't well tooled for romance. You want kisses, you get backrubs. :D

Now - if you wanted to shoot someone, machine guns or green gunge, Jolt's got you covered.

:fluffle: ?

No that one has been tainted with the word fluffle and I dont know exactly what that is. It could mean you are merely facing someone while you mess up their hair. It looks like thats what they are doing. I want a for real kissing smiley there,shorty.

You can do an update thread. The "SoWiBi and Peech: Story So Far" thread. One thread, with a LOT of hits...
I don't know which implication I prefer, the one that the content of such a thread would be PG-13 or the one that you want me removed off the fora ASAP..

Confused? They weren't supposed to have begun the medicati.... oh... you mean just like 'regular' confused...
Nothing to see here...
*is getting moved along*

No, that's my "Things to see, and people to do" list.
I'd wondered where that was...
Yeah, sorry about that. Couldn't read lots through all the stains, though, anyway.

No that one has been tainted with the word fluffle and I dont know exactly what that is. It could mean you are merely facing someone while you mess up their hair. It looks like thats what they are doing. I want a for real kissing smiley there,shorty.
Exactly! Though you'd be hard-pressed to 'mess up' my hair, but..
And I remember Tactical Grace to have done a very nice, extensive definition of a fluffle in some kind of online dictionary..will be off to look for it.

There we go (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fluffle), I'm teh master of teh interwebs. I knew my perfect memory is good for something every once in a while.

No that one has been tainted with the word fluffle and I dont know exactly what that is. It could mean you are merely facing someone while you mess up their hair. It looks like thats what they are doing. I want a for real kissing smiley there,shorty.

Shorty? I don't get called that much. :D

I'd say the 'fluffle' is supposed to be, what we used to call down our way, 'pashing'... the 'full-on-smooch' situation, I guess.

But then, it's a bit frantic.... they could just be combing each other's hair... :D

Shorty? I don't get called that much. :D



too many things i could say here. better not.

instead i will say breastfeeding is not for 7 y/o's or 6, or 5 or 4 or 3. give this woman a playtex feeder for cripes sake!

instead i will say breastfeeding is not for 7 y/o's or 6, or 5 or 4 or 3. give this woman a playtex feeder for cripes sake!
I'm interested to hear your reasoning as to what marks the time where one should end breastfeeding. And don't say "age XY" because you know that age is not a reason.

I'm interested to hear your reasoning as to what marks the time where one should end breastfeeding. And don't say "age XY" because you know that age is not a reason.
I know you weren't talking to me, but I think once a child is able to feed themselves they no longer need to nurse. My children were on cups by 8 months, if for some reason your child can't drink out of a cup at age 7 or 8, that is something you might need to see a doctor about.

it's not the breast milk that bothers me so much as the nursing, if she pumped it and put it in a cup, it really wouldn't phase me, it's the 8 year old nursing that is disturbing.

To that end, do we know if extended breast-feeding in humans also has a contraceptive effect?
It does not.

I know you weren't talking to me, but I think once a child is able to feed themselves they no longer need to nurse. My children were on cups by 8 months, if for some reason your child can't drink out of a cup at age 7 or 8, that is something you might need to see a doctor about.

it's not the breast milk that bothers me so much as the nursing, if she pumped it and put it in a cup, it really wouldn't phase me, it's the 8 year old nursing that is disturbing.
Ah, don't excuse yourself for answering, now.

I honestly don't even know where I'd put a limit for the kid I'll never have. I hear all that stuff about the breast milk really being good for the kid the first years, and the bonding thing, and all, and I don't think I share the view that once it is able to feed themselves, it must feed itself (exclusively) too.

But then, on the other hand, I also wondered a lot about that statement somehwere in the thread about not supporting something that makes the kid more dependable on the mother than need be, as I second that.

So basically, it'd be balancing that first against that second paragraph, but I don't bother with kids enough to be able to make an educated estimate about when it is the time for their interest in their independency and dignity overweighs the benefits of nursing.

It does not.
That's quite bold a statement to make after somebody in this thread linked to that rather detailed study on it. Would you care for supporting this with some sources too?

And I'm not big on the subject, but I gathered that nursing women do not menstruate for a varying amount of time after birth when breastfeeding, and you will surely agree that this means they aren't fertile during that time? (Except, of course, for that time before your first 'new' period that you don't know when it'll arrive)

it's not the breast milk that bothers me so much as the nursing, if she pumped it and put it in a cup, it really wouldn't phase me, it's the 8 year old nursing that is disturbing.
I tend to agree, Smunkee, if for no other reason than the impact on the child of violating a social more. If other children become aware that an 8-year-old child is still nursing, they could be subject to serious ridicule, not to mention the possible ostracism for the entire family when the nursing became common knowledge.

I don't know which implication I prefer, the one that the content of such a thread would be PG-13 or the one that you want me removed off the fora ASAP..


The content of such a thread would be a mere PG-13? I feel a little disappointed.

As for removing you from the forum... I said it would get a lot of hits, I never implied I wouldn't be ONE of the people reading it...

Yeah, sorry about that. Couldn't read lots through all the stains, though, anyway.

I can't imagine what you mean. Unless it was that time I spilled my yogurt. Milkshake? No... yogurt is more believable.

That's quite bold a statement to make after somebody in this thread linked to that rather detailed study on it. Would you care for supporting this with some sources too?

And I'm not big on the subject, but I gathered that nursing women do not menstruate for a varying amount of time after birth when breastfeeding, and you will surely agree that this means they aren't fertile during that time? (Except, of course, for that time before your first 'new' period that you don't know when it'll arrive)
It's what is known as "an old wives' tale." My own son's wife became pregnant just about two years ago while still nursing her first child. Would you like copies of the two boys' birth certificates as proof? :)

Ah, don't excuse yourself for answering, now.

I honestly don't even know where I'd put a limit for the kid I'll never have. I hear all that stuff about the breast milk really being good for the kid the first years, and the bonding thing, and all, and I don't think I share the view that once it is able to feed themselves, it must feed itself (exclusively) too.

But then, on the other hand, I also wondered a lot about that statement somehwere in the thread about not supporting something that makes the kid more dependable on the mother than need be, as I second that.

So basically, it'd be balancing that first against that second paragraph, but I don't bother with kids enough to be able to make an educated estimate about when it is the time for their interest in their independency and dignity overweighs the benefits of nursing.


meh, I get people telling me all the time that my kids are "too independent" whatever that means. :rolleyes: I try to raise them with the attitude that if you can do something for yourself you should instead of depending on someone else to do it. My 2 year old can bring her laundry to the laundry room, why should she wait for me to do it? People hear that my 2 year old has chores and they freak out "why not let her be a kid?" I don't understand the point in not letting her do things for herself that she can. The same people who whine about my kids being "too independent" are the ones who compliment their self confidence, where do they think the kids get it from? not from being treated like babies, they get it from acomplishments (like picking up their laundry and folding their socks) but that's just my theory.

I'm interested to hear your reasoning as to what marks the time where one should end breastfeeding. And don't say "age XY" because you know that age is not a reason.


Breastmilk is good for a child, yes. But a child can be extremely healthy with one year or even two of breastfeeding. Plus, weaning them from the breast to a bottle or even sippy cup teaches them not only independence, but eye hand coordination. I cant imagine it would be very practical to breastfeed that long, especially with so many women in the workforce....its just not practical. If you really feel that your child needs to have breastmilk for extended periods of time, then get a pump and fill up the bottles. Let them learn that they can do things for themselves. Personally, I dont think a child should be on a bottle beyond 2 years of age. Mine drank from cups much earlier that that.

In this womans case, I can see no reason for her actions. I suppose its her right, but I certainly dont agree with what she's doing. The little girl said "I dont want to be weaned, I want to breast feed forever." That lets you know that this child has very little independence. It's detrimental to her social skills and self esteem IMO.

It's what is known as "an old wives' tale." My own son's wife became pregnant just about two years ago while still nursing her first child. Would you like copies of the two boys' birth certificates as proof?
Did you read the link?
It didn't say, nor did anybody in the thread, that nursing is an absolute contraceptive method.
It said that it is withing the first 6 moths (usually) and/or as long as you aren't menstruating (which, again, you don't seem to be those first months if you breastfeed), and, of course, if you breastfeed regularly and exclusively.

Again, it is rather obvious that a woman will not be fertile when not menstruating, no?

The content of such a thread would be a mere PG-13? I feel a little disappointed.

As for removing you from the forum... I said it would get a lot of hits, I never implied I wouldn't be ONE of the people reading it...

You severely misunderstood me. When you said I should create a thread, you imply the action would be PG-13, as anything else couldn't have a thread on here.

Or you believe it to be non-PG-13, which would basically be sending me into suicide by mod.

So there.

As for "the girls in the thread" (Smunkee, Peech, please find yourself in the same pot for a minute): I think I'd rank my imagined child's independence and all the things you mentioned above those benefits as well rather early. Don't understand my earlier post to advocate what the article mentioned. It's just that I didn't like how people spouted all that "OMG nooooes you can't do it because you only breastfeed until [insert age here]!!" without giving a logic as to what determines that point.

Again, it is rather obvious that a woman will not be fertile when not menstruating, no?
it depends on what you mean by not mestruating. You ovulate before your period, so a woman who was nursing could go like 6 months without a period and get pregnant because her cycle started and she wasn't aware, and since she got pregnant she wouldn't have her period and then wouldn't be menstuating.

if however you mean she isn't fertile because she isn't having a cycle at all (not dropping an egg) then yeah.

it depends on what you mean by not mestruating. You ovulate before your period, so a woman who was nursing could go like 6 months without a period and get pregnant because her cycle started and she wasn't aware, and since she got pregnant she wouldn't have her period and then wouldn't be menstuating.
As I specified nursing women do not menstruate for a varying amount of time after birth when breastfeeding, and you will surely agree that this means they aren't fertile during that time? (Except, of course, for that time before your first 'new' period that you don't know when it'll arrive)
I did include that.
if however you mean she isn't fertile because she isn't having a cycle at all (not dropping an egg) then yeah.
That is indeed what I meant. And that does happen, though for a varying amount of time, with a nursing woman, no?

As I specified
I did include that.
sorry, I missed the part in parenthesis.

And that does happen, though for a varying amount of time, with a nursing woman, no?
yep. I was so scared to get pregnant though and my doctor said he "wouldn't count on it working" so I took birth control precautions anyway. I mean I got pregnant with my first with a condom the first time I had sex with hubby, so even with precaution I was afraid, got pregnant with the second on birth control and with condom :eek:

so yeah, it happens but I wouldn't count on it, esp. if you get pregnant easily.

As for "the girls in the thread" (Smunkee, Peech, please find yourself in the same pot for a minute): I think I'd rank my imagined child's independence and all the things you mentioned above those benefits as well rather early. Don't understand my earlier post to advocate what the article mentioned. It's just that I didn't like how people spouted all that "OMG nooooes you can't do it because you only breastfeed until [insert age here]!!" without giving a logic as to what determines that point.
i dont see that there is any sense in breastfeeding longer than you would bottle feed.

would you hand your 5 year old a baby bottle to take to school for milk break? nope.

bottle feeding should be over before a kid turns 2. (thats being very liberal to my mind) why should breast feeding go longer than that?

In China, until relatively recently it was common to breastfeed until the age of around 7.

Makes you wonder as to the state of the women's dugs after all that time. Stretchmarks, bitemarks, saggy lils.
ewwwww.

In China, until relatively recently it was common to breastfeed until the age of around 7.

Makes you wonder as to the state of the women's dugs after all that time. Stretchmarks, bitemarks, saggy lils.
ewwwww.

No matter what the culture or custom, I still cant feel a 7 year old latching on for a meal is a good thing. Public or private.

sorry, I missed the part in parenthesis.


yep. I was so scared to get pregnant though and my doctor said he "wouldn't count on it working" so I took birth control precautions anyway. I mean I got pregnant with my first with a condom the first time I had sex with hubby, so even with precaution I was afraid, got pregnant with the second on birth control and with condom :eek:

so yeah, it happens but I wouldn't count on it, esp. if you get pregnant easily.
Oh God, and I always wondered why you had your kids so early.

In Germany, we call those kids TroPiKo kids (which yes, does allure to 'tropical' with us too as we have the same word) as that'd be the acronym for "despite pill and condom".. It's hard to pull off, but some manage. So don't only tell your man he's a lucky man, tell him he's got teh über-hero-sperm of doom as well :P [/cross-threading]. No wonder your kids are special..

No matter what the culture or custom, I still cant feel a 7 year old latching on for a meal is a good thing. Public or private.


speaking of people who like breasts.....

Oh God, and I always wondered why you had your kids so early.

In Germany, we call those kids TroPiKo kids (which yes, does allure to 'tropical' with us too as we have the same word) as that'd be the acronym for "despite pill and condom".. It's hard to pull off, but some manage. So don't only tell your man he's a lucky man, tell him he's got teh über-hero-sperm of doom as well :P [/cross-threading]. No wonder your kids are special..
I made him get fixed. My doctor said that even if I got my tubes tied I would end up with an ectopic, so he needed to get snipped, he did, my doctor thought that I should get tied and he get snipped but we thought that was overkill. I have lived the last 2 1/2 years fearful that his stuff will grow back together. LOL

They said his testosterone levels are like 3 times normal (must be why he is so fuzzy) LOL

I made him get fixed. My doctor said that even if I got my tubes tied I would end up with an ectopic, so he needed to get snipped, he did, my doctor thought that I should get tied and he get snipped but we thought that was overkill. I have lived the last 2 1/2 years fearful that his stuff will grow back together. LOL

They said his testosterone levels are like 3 times normal (must be why he is so fuzzy) LOL
If I were you, I'd probably do pill, condom, tying AND snippage..
LOL indeed. No, I don't want to know.

speaking of people who like breasts.....

I do love breasts. And often the people that grow them too.

I do love breasts. And often the people that grow them too.


*waters breasts*

*waters breasts*

MMmmm...I assume you're wearing a nice plain white t-shirt?

MMmmm...I assume you're wearing a nice plain white t-shirt?


that and a sun hat. and flip flops

that and a sun hat. and flip flops

are you really that adorable? Or are you fooling me?

are you really that adorable? Or are you fooling me?


As if I could ever fool you...(of course I am that adorable)

In China, until relatively recently it was common to breastfeed until the age of around 7.

Makes you wonder as to the state of the women's dugs after all that time. Stretchmarks, bitemarks, saggy lils.
ewwwww.
the chinese arent milk drinkers so it probably provided nutrition that cant be easily gotten by a small child

As if I could ever fool you...(of course I am that adorable)

You might catch me off guard. (I thought so)


I'm outta here- night. I have to get up in a few hours and drive,so I should be asleep. (though its very tempting to hang around)

You might catch me off guard. (I thought so)


I'm outta here- night. I have to get up in a few hours and drive,so I should be asleep. (though its very tempting to hang around)


sleep well...congrats again on the competition! (you really should)


urg I'm going to bed too. My head is killing me. Damn sinus infection

the chinese arent milk drinkers so it probably provided nutrition that cant be easily gotten by a small child
So it was a nutritious way of feeding their child. For seven years. Doesn't make up for the damage done to a perfectly lovely perky pair of breasts though.


mmmm....perky breasts.


Whoops. wrong thread. I should head back to the pornography post.

I can see no objective inherent problem with the woman (in the article)'s breastfeeding of her children.

Did you read the link?
It didn't say, nor did anybody in the thread, that nursing is an absolute contraceptive method.
It said that it is withing the first 6 moths (usually) and/or as long as you aren't menstruating (which, again, you don't seem to be those first months if you breastfeed), and, of course, if you breastfeed regularly and exclusively.

Again, it is rather obvious that a woman will not be fertile when not menstruating, no?
LOL! Umm ... [ struggles to remember Human Sexuality 101 ] :p

I don't understand the distinction between nursing as a contraceptive method ( which it definitely is NOT ) and "within the first 6 months (usually) and/or as long as you aren't menstruating (which, again, you don't seem to be those first months if you breastfeed), and, of course, if you breastfeed regularly and exclusively."

Perhaps you could enlighten me. :)

You severely misunderstood me. When you said I should create a thread, you imply the action would be PG-13, as anything else couldn't have a thread on here.

Or you believe it to be non-PG-13, which would basically be sending me into suicide by mod.

So there.

Have you ever read the Bible? It's an interesting text. I recommend the book variously called "Song of Songs", or "Song of Solomon".

It's an example of how X rated material can be made to seem pretty much PG... you just have to think 'poetically'.

After all, the last thing we would wish would be SOWiBi's suicide-by-Mod. :(

are you really that adorable? Or are you fooling me?

Rumour has it, she really IS that adorable. :D