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clickety (http://www.washtimes.com/upi/20060309-035305-9272r.htm)
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When China is lecturing you on human rights abuse, it may be a good time to start wondering...

Another crack in the "leader of the free world" throne?

"The U.S. government should stop provoking international confrontation on the issue of human rights ... and contribute more to international human rights cooperation."

That's hilarious.

That's hilarious.
rather than embarassing?

I bet we will get a lot of "But China is more evil than us, so we should be able to get by with very evil instead of dastardly evil" arguments

That's OK, the USA is trying catch to China on how to abuse human rights ...
Even the head of Anglicans is on the bandwagon.

That is hilarious and ridiculous.

That is like saying Fidel respects human rights, his own yes.

That is hilarious and ridiculous.

That is like saying Fidel respects human rights, his own yes.

The USA issues it's own annual report and naturally leaves itself out of it too. :p

Of course,China has its own interpetation of Human Rights, and may be correct starting from that outlook, but nevertheless....




Muhahahaha!

clickety (http://www.washtimes.com/upi/20060309-035305-9272r.htm)
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When China is lecturing you on human rights abuse, it may be a good time to start wondering...

Another crack in the "leader of the free world" throne?

"The U.S. government should stop provoking international confrontation on the issue of human rights ... and contribute more to international human rights cooperation."

They have room to talk.

It is a pretty humiliating time to be an American. China actually has good reason to criticize our human rights record. Countries that didn't even let women vote 30 years ago are electing female leaders, while we haven't managed a single female chief executive in over 200 years. South motherfreaking Africa is surpassing us when it comes to protecting civil liberties...SOUTH AFRICA!

Oy.

It is a pretty humiliating time to be an American. China actually has good reason to criticize our human rights record. Countries that didn't even let women vote 30 years ago are electing female leaders, while we haven't managed a single female chief executive in over 200 years. South motherfreaking Africa is surpassing us when it comes to protecting civil liberties...SOUTH AFRICA!

Oy.

Take it up with party leaders. I have a feeling though that things might be changing.

Take it up with party leaders. I have a feeling though that things might be changing.
I dunno. Personally, I think Abe Lincoln had it right 150 years ago:

"As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except Negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except Negroes and foreigners and Catholics." When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty - to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure and without the base alloy of hypocrisy."

Of course,China has its own interpetation of Human Rights, and may be correct starting from that outlook, but nevertheless....




Muhahahaha!
The US has its own interpretation of torture....

And the pronouncements of the human rights bastion that is China matter...why? This is like Adolf Hitler chastising Rossevelt on Jim Crow laws in the south.

The US has its own interpretation of torture....

Let me clear it up;

Thumbscrews = torture
racking = torture
starvation = torture
burning = torture
Harry Potter read by a female =/= torture
Panties applied to head =/= torture
Having your book kicked =/= torture
belting non-stop Christina Agulera into cell =/= torture (sick and depraved, perhaps)
inadequete time on soccer pitch =/= torture

The US has its own interpretation of torture....


I know that. What about it?

My point is that the points of view of other actors may make sense to them, but we don't have the slightest obligation to take the POV's of others serious.

Nor do these others have to take ours seriously.


Summarizing: the opinions of the PRC are totally irrelevant to us.
Only their actionsare worth noting.

Let me clear it up;

Thumbscrews = torture
racking = torture
starvation = torture
burning = torture
Harry Potter read by a female =/= torture
Panties applied to head =/= torture
Having your book kicked =/= torture
belting non-stop Christina Agulera into cell =/= torture (sick and depraved, perhaps)
inadequete time on soccer pitch =/= torture

OK, thanks for clearing that up....:rolleyes:

On the other hand, keeping Christina Aguilera in a cell, belted and well, seems to me aform of public entertainment. Just the thing for PBS. UNLESS you've got another Christina in mind..

.....
Summarizing: the opinions of the PRC are totally irrelevant to us.
Only their actionsare worth noting.

It is relevant to those who claim the moral high ground. It is also relevant to third parties.

Right now, it seems that neither US nor China has moral high ground. Thus neither has preaching rights or credibility.

clickety (http://www.washtimes.com/upi/20060309-035305-9272r.htm)
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When China is lecturing you on human rights abuse, it may be a good time to start wondering...

Another crack in the "leader of the free world" throne?

"The U.S. government should stop provoking international confrontation on the issue of human rights ... and contribute more to international human rights cooperation."

brilliant! haha! :D

It is a pretty humiliating time to be an American. China actually has good reason to criticize our human rights record. Countries that didn't even let women vote 30 years ago are electing female leaders, while we haven't managed a single female chief executive in over 200 years. South motherfreaking Africa is surpassing us when it comes to protecting civil liberties...SOUTH AFRICA!

Oy.
The above is a sexist comment :p

It is relevant to those who claim the moral high ground. It is also relevant to third parties.

Right now, it seems that neither US nor China has moral high ground. Thus neither has preaching rights or credibility.


Morality only makes sense when all parties concerned share the same notion of morality.

Morality depends on ethos.

Ethos depends on ethnos.

This precludes any fundamental moral agreement between different ethnicities. All attempts to reach such an agreement are totally selfdefeating.

Meanwhile.. the strongest Power ordains. Others may disagree - at their peril.

Morality only makes sense when all parties concerned share the same notion of morality.

Morality depends on ethos.

Ethos depends on ethnos.

This precludes any fundamental moral agreement between different ethnicities. All attempts to reach such an agreement are totally selfdefeating.

Meanwhile.. the strongest Power ordains. Others may disagree - at their peril.

The strongest Power should pull its head out of its arse.

Of course the US doesn't torture.

It just flies them somewhere else in the world to someone who will.

I dunno. Personally, I think Abe Lincoln had it right 150 years ago:

"As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except Negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except Negroes and foreigners and Catholics." When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty - to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure and without the base alloy of hypocrisy."
I am going to have to remember that one

That's OK, the USA is trying catch to China on how to abuse human rights ...
Even the head of Anglicans is on the bandwagon.
Indeed, the rights in the US have been on a strict decline for some time already - apparently they are trying to become like China in this respect.
They haven't yet reached China's brutal suppression of any human rights yet though, but if they go on like this (esp. with the religious right-wing in power), it won't take that long anymore.

*snip*

You forgot water boarding. Where does simulated drowning fit in your world hmmmm?

And it's nice to see my prediction come true. A leopard never changes its spots they say.

belting non-stop Christina Agulera into cell =/= torture (sick and depraved, perhaps)


I have to disagree with you on that one. That most certainly is torture. *shudder*

It is a pretty humiliating time to be an American. China actually has good reason to criticize our human rights record. Countries that didn't even let women vote 30 years ago are electing female leaders, while we haven't managed a single female chief executive in over 200 years. South motherfreaking Africa is surpassing us when it comes to protecting civil liberties...SOUTH AFRICA!

Oy.
This coming from a person whose nation practised segregation in the extreme, almost equally as bad as South Africa's. Granted, it was abolished earlier, but still. I love how all of you constantly criticise South Africa. Do you think we are some nation of white Nazis oppressing the "poor" black majority? Get a grip, that changed 12 years ago. South Africa's civil liberties are so advanced due to this unique situation.

It's really very simple.

Any nation where criticism of the government is a crime clearly has no conception of what human or civil rights are, and may therefore be ignored when they pull such subjects out of their asses.

It's really very simple.

Any nation where criticism of the government is a crime clearly has no conception of what human or civil rights are, and may therefore be ignored when they pull such subjects out of their asses.

I would think that it would be the other way round. Just like a burglar would be able to tell you how best to secure your home against intrusion. Or a good counterfeiter would be able to make near forge proof notes. If you could get either one to speak about it that is.

I would think that it would be the other way round. Just like a burglar would be able to tell you how best to secure your home against intrusion. Or a good counterfeiter would be able to make near forge proof notes. If you could get either one to speak about it that is.

So you'd take the advice of a BURGLAR when securing your home against intrusion? :confused:

You forgot water boarding. Where does simulated drowning fit in your world hmmmm?

And it's nice to see my prediction come true. A leopard never changes its spots they say.

SIMULATING drowing is perfectly fine.

So you'd take the advice of a BURGLAR when securing your home against intrusion? :confused:
Who would know best?

Same reason hackers get hired for about 10% increased wage over non hacker security experts in the IT field

Of course the US doesn't torture.

It just flies them somewhere else in the world to someone who will.

Ladies and gentlemen, this thread has a winner.

Just as absurd as the reverse would be.

clickety (http://www.washtimes.com/upi/20060309-035305-9272r.htm)
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When China is lecturing you on human rights abuse, it may be a good time to start wondering...

Another crack in the "leader of the free world" throne?

"The U.S. government should stop provoking international confrontation on the issue of human rights ... and contribute more to international human rights cooperation."

Nothing illogical about that. Mr Bush and his admin are a belligerent buggers and should spend more time helping people and their environments as opposed to destroying them.

It's really very simple.

Any nation where criticism of the government is a crime clearly has no conception of what human or civil rights are, and may therefore be ignored when they pull such subjects out of their asses.
So you have to be a shining beacon to criticize other?

I'll remember that the next time the US criticize about the threat of nuclear that Iran is developping.

SIMULATING drowing is perfectly fine.
Just like a mock execution... As long as the gun to your head is empty when they pull the trigger, no harm no foul, eh?

I have to disagree...

Ladies and gentlemen, this thread has a winner.

And this from a person who was discredited in another thread that he has yet to respond too I do believe.

Take it up with party leaders. I have a feeling though that things might be changing.
I agree. This administration is crumbling. It only remains to be seen how much damage they can do to our countrty and the world on their way down.

And this from a person who was discredited in another thread that he has yet to respond too I do believe.
Not agreeing with you is far from being 'discredited.'

Not agreeing with you is far from being 'discredited.'

If you were in the thread that we were arguing in, he was thoroughly discredited and not just by me but by other posters.

If you were in the thread that we were arguing in, he was thoroughly discredited and not just by me but by other posters.
Ah, ok, apologies then, I thought you were referring to me. I really am being paranoid tonight, even though I couldn't think of a time when we'd clashed... :p

Ah, ok, apologies then, I thought you were referring to me. I really am being paranoid tonight, even though I couldn't think of a time when we'd clashed... :p

We haven't that I know of. I dont even know you :D

The irony is just compounded by their being 200 million, yes 200 million, individuals in China subsisting upon one, or less than one, dollar per day, a higher poverty rate than the capitalist and incompassionate USA or Britain.

Thats not really a human rights violation...It just means there poor ;)

Ha

ha ha

ha-fuckin'

ha.

The USA issues it's own annual report and naturally leaves itself out of it too. :p

Good I agree.

clickety (http://www.washtimes.com/upi/20060309-035305-9272r.htm)
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When China is lecturing you on human rights abuse, it may be a good time to start wondering...

Another crack in the "leader of the free world" throne?

"The U.S. government should stop provoking international confrontation on the issue of human rights ... and contribute more to international human rights cooperation."Now this is just wierd and embarressing. China and the US both have shitty human rights record anyway. They should know that by now.

I say both country are full of bullshitted politics....

You have Chinese people discriminating against smaller Minorities as well
and then you have the U.S doing the same damn thing...

Both talk about Human Right's... But they ain't doing much either to rid of it.
I mean come on now... The U.S leaves it's allies to die after the vietnam war... And to this day after they have surrendered and etc. The U.S dosen't even provide them protection from being genocided in Laos and Vietnam and Cambodia.

Then You have the Chinese... who doesn't even want there society to change
fearing what has transaction during the 19th century **Damn European Morons.** And persecute anyone who willing express free will, and even more ironic is the nation has one of the biggest population and highest wide spread of Proverty... Aka Guizhou and Yunnan Province.


So thus in Conclusion... Both countries are filled with moronic idoits....racist, and tards.

And to anyone offended by my post... Keep your ESL, 1st grade insults to yourself.

I say both country are full of bullshitted politics....Exactly.

China = totalitarian gov't.
USA = A retarded redneck running a whole friggin country.

You have Chinese people discriminating against smaller Minorities as well
and then you have the U.S doing the same damn thing...Uhh, you mean the Chinese gov't.

And as for Japan, Taro Aso really needs a duct tape for christ sakes. :rolleyes:

If you were in the thread that we were arguing in, he was thoroughly discredited and not just by me but by other posters.

1- If you were so secure of your superiority you'd either not say anything or provide the nice people with a link to the thread you CLAIM TO have won.

2- I live, as you know, in Brazil, which is 3 hours ahead of the US. I sleep, AND I have a life besides chatting with people that would applaud the US becoming a dictatorship and turning nations into them as well, QED it wanting to make Bolivia into a ground in which it can ignore all human rights laws.

3- Many people? What many people? You and your other personalities?

1- If you were so secure of your superiority you'd either not say anything or provide the nice people with a link to the thread you CLAIM TO have won.

You never did prove your assertions.

2- I live, as you know, in Brazil, which is 3 hours ahead of the US. I sleep, AND I have a life besides chatting with people that would applaud the US becoming a dictatorship and turning nations into them as well, QED it wanting to make Bolivia into a ground in which it can ignore all human rights laws.

Again, you never did prove your assertions.

3- Many people? What many people? You and your other personalities?

I don't have other personalities.

It is a pretty humiliating time to be an American. China actually has good reason to criticize our human rights record. Countries that didn't even let women vote 30 years ago are electing female leaders, while we haven't managed a single female chief executive in over 200 years. South motherfreaking Africa is surpassing us when it comes to protecting civil liberties...SOUTH AFRICA!

Oy.
Not electing female leaders is not breaching human rights nor is it not protecting civil liberties! You make a sexist assumption that having a female leader is guaranteed to be a good thing. How do you know that the US won't go dowhill under a female president? China leads the world in torture, illegal execution and repression of civil rights. How can they under any circumstance criticize the US......the preserver of freedom......while being a murderous police state. Let me point ot that in the period 1949-present China has murdered over 7 million people.....almost 10 times that of Hitler's Germany. America has much more to be proud of than almost any other country on Earth.
Furthermore: South Africa even now is far behind the US. The recent racist proclamations spewed forth by Thabo Mbeki state that a white person may be fired from a job or turfed off their farm simply becasue they are white. I thought racism had ended over there?