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Conservatives: Finally joining the Bushwhackers
At Conservative Forum on Bush, Everybody's a Critic

"...Bruce Bartlett. Author of the new book "Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy," Bartlett called the administration "unconscionable," "irresponsible," "vindictive" and "inept." "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/07/AR2006030701403.html

why do they call him the betrayer of the reagan legacy when reagan left us indebt as well?

Because Reagan did it with charm. ;)

Because Reagan did it with charm. ;)

ok that's acceptable

why do they call him the betrayer of the reagan legacy when reagan left us indebt as well?

Yeah, especially seeing as the Reagan administration also was "unconscionable," "irresponsible," "vindictive" and "inept."

well theyre conservatives so we cant expect them to be right--but at least they finally got around to seeing what a threat the evil Bush regime is

well theyre conservatives so we cant expect them to be right--but at least they finally got around to seeing what a threat the evil Bush regime is

Careful, now. Denouncing people as "evil" is rightist.

Careful, now. Denouncing people as "evil" is rightist.

no it's just stupid

no it's just stupid

Exactly.

Careful, now. Denouncing people as "evil" is rightist.
only if its a lie:)

You'd think the fiscal conservatives would have taken a warning from Shrub's history of bankrupting three companies Daddy Bush gave him to run.

Oh well, they made their beds, now they get to lie in it with the rest of America they thought they could safely ignore.

:D

Exactly.

oh, i get it.

i disagree with what you say, but i'll defend to the death your right to say it. enless it's evil.

i disagree with what you say, but i'll defend to the death your right to say it.

No, you won't.

No, you won't.

well literally i won't because we live in seperate countries. but i would.

well literally i won't because we live in seperate countries. but i would.

I really do doubt you would give your life to defend the rights enshrined in the Swedish constitution, as little as I believe I would those of your country, whatever it be.

why do they call him the betrayer of the reagan legacy when reagan left us indebt as well?


Bartlet is a libertarian. A fair number of livertarians credit Reagan(I would argue wrongly) for beginning the fiscally conservative/small government revolution that America saw in the eighties and nineties.

What Bartlet means when he calls Bush a "betrayer of the Reagan legacy" is that Bush campainged on a conservative ticket but then turned out to spend at levels greater than any Democrat since FDR. Bush has moved to expand the government, increase it's authority, micromanage schools, and create huge new entitlement programs: all things that Reagan-era conservatives disapprove of.

This is not the beginning of conservatives turning on Bush, its been happening for awhile, but its been more private. Hell, Bob Barr(not exatcly known for being a liberal) publicly refused to support Bush in '04. Quite a few conservatives have looked at the Bush presidency and said "well, I'm put up with X because he's keeping the country safe." As time has worn on, more and more conservatives have realized that Bush isn't doing a good job of keeping the country safe, he isn't taking care of the situation in Iraq, he is turning his back on every conservative interest that doesn't come from either Haliburton or Pat Robertson, and we're getting pissed.

I'm betting that as more comes out regarding Abramoff, Rove and Cheney's involvement in outing Valerie Plame, and the illegal NSA wiretaps Bush is going to find fewer and fewer conservatives in his corner.

Actually there were all kinds of Republican, conservatives, even military hawks that came out in favor of Kerry in the last election. Many who supported Bush in the first one. many who even worked for Reagan and Bush's dad. The main reason they cited was that, in a few words, Bush is stupid.

Bush is gonna go down in history as the fool who started WW3

Bush is gonna go down in history as the fool who started WW3
Let's pray that you're wrong. (I'm not religious and I agree but let's hope we end up being proven wrong.

Let's pray that you're wrong. (I'm not religious and I agree but let's hope we end up being proven wrong.
I hope Im wrong too but Im convinced that Bush is the biblical Whore of Babylon (AKA Iraq) in the book of Revelations

Exactly.
I find the constant liberal bias on this website disturbing. =/ Republicans are hardly batches of idiots. Democrats aren't all that shiny and fantastic either. Both parties have equal amounts idiots, extemists, and intelligent people who actually know what they're doing and stuff.

As for this: I'm glad for it. Bush hasn't been a decent President since his last great action after 9/11. (Well, and the whole scaring the Libyans into abandoning their nuclear program.) About time conservatives started realizing it on the whole, though you'd never know it at my school. Bloody stupid teenagers...*is ignoring the fact that he is also a teenager*

why do they call him the betrayer of the reagan legacy when reagan left us indebt as well?
Every president has left the country in debt.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opd.htm

However, at the end of clinton's term, we were having a budget surplus (http://readythinkvote.com/vote_deficit.html), so the debt was beggining to decline.

I find the constant liberal bias on this website disturbing.
Get used to it. Since this is international, what you think are liberals are in reality, rather moderate. America looks through a rose colored lense compared to the rest of the world. And besides, we have some good conservatives here. :p WTF are they doing with the smily window, dammit!?

I find the constant liberal bias on this website disturbing. =/

I find the allusion that I have a responsibility to be anything else than liberally biased (by the by, liberalism is a right wing economical phenomenon), or that I am somehow officially connected to this website, hilarious.

Republicans are hardly batches of idiots. Democrats aren't all that shiny and fantastic either.

There you go, assuming I care about your right-wing US parties.

Both parties have equal amounts idiots, extemists, and intelligent people who actually know what they're doing and stuff.

Repeat after me: This is an international forum.

why do they call him the betrayer of the reagan legacy when reagan left us indebt as well?
Because Reagan couldn't remember. So why should they?

"liberal bias"=AKA pro-people power

why do they call him the betrayer of the reagan legacy when reagan left us indebt as well?

The only real difference that comes to mind, though I don't know if the people quoted in the article are thinking of it, is that Bush's mass murder campaigns have not achieved their objectives. Reagan's, on the other hand, were quite successful.

I find the constant liberal bias on this website disturbing.
Nah, it's good to have them all in one place out of the way.

It can be tiring to be a right-of-centre voice in an international forum, though. By time you've finished arguing with one person, another one has woken up.

I find the constant liberal bias on this website disturbing. =/

There is none. Most here are not liberals; those left of center tend to be socialists or social democrats, and those right of center libertarians.

Republicans are hardly batches of idiots. Democrats aren't all that shiny and fantastic either. Both parties have equal amounts idiots, extemists, and intelligent people who actually know what they're doing and stuff.

The only people worthwhile in either party are the left-wing "extremists" in the Democratic Party - Cynthia McKinney, John Conyers, Barbara Lee, Dennis Kucinich, and a few others.

As for this: I'm glad for it. Bush hasn't been a decent President since his last great action after 9/11.

What was his "great action after 9/11"? The devastating and disproportionate attack on Afghanistan that killed thousands of innocent people and plunged the nation into chaos?

(Well, and the whole scaring the Libyans into abandoning their nuclear program.)

If the Libyans had really been "scared," they would have followed Iran and North Korea and actually built nukes.

actually Bush invading Afghanistan may be the only right thing Bush ever did---but he even screwed that up:rolleyes:

actually Bush invading Afghanistan may be the only right thing Bush ever did---but he even screwed that up:rolleyes:

That is what you have to expect. Sure, in some wonderful realm of the imagination, a country might invade another country with utmost regard and compassion for its people, but in real life that doesn't happen. This has to be taken into consideration when deciding whether or not to support a war.

That is what you have to expect. Sure, in some wonderful realm of the imagination, a country might invade another country with utmost regard and compassion for its people, but in real life that doesn't happen. This has to be taken into consideration when deciding whether or not to support a war.
I agree--thats why I supported invading Afghanistan since under the taliban they DID attack us on 911 however there was absolutely NO good reason for Bushs monumentally stupid and destabilzing attack on Iraq and now the fool is salivating for a confrontation/war with Iran and doing everything in his power to thwart a peaceful resolutoin in that area