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How is it that the republican party and its members/believers can STILL have an obvious persecution complex??

The GOP controls the white house, both congressional houses, and is on the verge of tipping the balance in the supreme court!

Yet, at an RNC diner a special movie was shown. A cut down and collaged version of all six star wars movies depicting Naci Pelosi as Darth Vader as the leader of the "Evil Democratic Empire."

That was just the tip of the proverbial ice berg.

Republicans don't seem to get it. They are in charge, THEY ARE THE EMPIRE. Why all this persecution BS? This also goes for christians, though that's pretty much synonymous with Republicans right now.

All ideologies have persecution complexes in some form or another. It’s one of the things that makes steadfast commitment to them dangerous.

It seems that the Republicans seem to think they're still the opposition party, and the Democrats haven't figured out that they're the opposition.

"But.. but.. they won't let us eat babies! Help, help, we're being repressed!"

How is it that the republican party and its members/believers can STILL have an obvious persecution complex??

The GOP controls the white house, both congressional houses, and is on the verge of tipping the balance in the supreme court!

Yet, at an RNC diner a special movie was shown. A cut down and collaged version of all six star wars movies depicting Naci Pelosi as Darth Vader as the leader of the "Evil Democratic Empire."

That was just the tip of the proverbial ice berg.

Republicans don't seem to get it. They are in charge, THEY ARE THE EMPIRE. Why all this persecution BS? This also goes for christians, though that's pretty much synonymous with Republicans right now.

http://www.tks.org/hitler.htm
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Scapegoats
"Another human trait found everywhere is the attachment to 'conspiracy and blaming' mentality. Someone or some group must be at fault for things we see as reverses. In Hitler's case it was virtually everyone outside the Germanic tribe, whose romanticized identity he had merged with his own psyche."
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General Chang: "We need breathing room. "
Captain James T. Kirk: "Earth, Hitler, 1938."
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Anyone that can bring Star Trek into a discussion has the right issues in mind.

I don't have a problem with it. Apparently, somebody has demophobia -- the fear of being a democrat.

This is accompanied by Hillaritis -- an itchy skin problem one gets when realizing the Democrats have no hope in 2008.

Goreatoris: What a Democrat gets when realizing they voted for a lying loser (how many years ago, and you are still whining?)

The party in power is usually the one most likely to scream "persecution" when something goes wrong (regardless of culpability), since they are most likely to be blamed. The same was true during the early 90's with the Democrats, and that mentality passed on to the Republicans when they took over.

The only difference is that now, there is far greater coverage of politics than there was in the past, which makes it harder to defer criticism from your party and also makes "persecution" a more attractive explanation for sagging approval ratings.

Look at me, I'm insulting Republicans on the internet. Does that make me popular? DOES IT?!

I'm not a republican, but republican-haters are possibly the most annoying thing you'll find. There are just so damn many of them, and NONE of them are old enough to vote.

well , there must be some reason why they still can't do anything right...

Look at me, I'm insulting Republicans on the internet. Does that make me popular? DOES IT?!

no, it merely establishes the baseline for sanity.

Yay, an unfounded insult with absolultely no backing or purpose. I didn't see THAT coming.

How is it that the republican party and its members/believers can STILL have an obvious persecution complex??

The GOP controls the white house, both congressional houses, and is on the verge of tipping the balance in the supreme court!

Yet, at an RNC diner a special movie was shown. A cut down and collaged version of all six star wars movies depicting Naci Pelosi as Darth Vader as the leader of the "Evil Democratic Empire."

That was just the tip of the proverbial ice berg.

Republicans don't seem to get it. They are in charge, THEY ARE THE EMPIRE. Why all this persecution BS? This also goes for christians, though that's pretty much synonymous with Republicans right now.

Probably because the persecution complex is what built the empire in the first place. For every George Will or William Buckley paleo-conservative voice, there are ten or so Hannitys and and Limbaughs whose idea of intellectual rigor is to call their opponent a communist. They don't rely on reason; they rely on demogoguery to get their point across, and the best way to demogogue is to claim that some evil other is actively trying to destroy what you love. They've been playing this card since the sixties when Nixon engaged in red-baiting and sissifying Democrats. It's what they know. It's all they know. So they aren't going to let some goofy little thing like reality get in the way of their raison d'etre.

Yay, an unfounded insult with absolultely no backing or purpose. I didn't see THAT coming.
Did you really expect reason in a political discussion?

Bring out Timmy O'Tool the one legged orphan, and emote instead of think and you will sway more people than a mountain of data.

Republican party are Bitching.

If they are the underdog, ALL supporters turn up to vote.

Democrats are like "Yeh we kickass oh yeehh"
So not all turn up.

Conclusion.

Dont vote, it only encourages them.

Yay, an unfounded insult with absolultely no backing or purpose.

i suppose your definition of 'unfounded' and mine might differ

Yay, an unfounded insult with absolultely no backing or purpose. I didn't see THAT coming.

Your a republican, your pretty much fair game for any insult, lynching, egging, vandalism, persecution, laughing at, shooting and kicking youd care to think of.

Dont vote for Bush. Oh no wait too late, may you all burn in hell. ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT DIDNT VOTE.:sniper:

i suppose your definition of 'unfounded' and mine might differ
Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Prejudicial Language.

Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Prejudicial Language.

heh - no, not so much. to be a fallacy, firstly, i would have to have been making an argument. there is no argument to be made.

honestly, does one really need to do anything more than point at republican policy and ideology to demonstrate it to be mind-numbingly stupid at best, even when it isn't in flat out contradiction to reality or any sense of human decency?

i suppose one could entertain such a discussion, if one were particularly bored. but why bother? the record speaks for itself.

heh - no, not so much. to be a fallacy, firstly, i would have to have been making an argument. there is no argument to be made.
Logical Fallacy:
Missing the Point: Begging the Question

honestly, does one really need to do anything more than point at republican policy and ideology to demonstrate it to be mind-numbingly stupid at best, even when it isn't in flat out contradiction to reality
Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Style Over Substance [Most popular error on this board.]
or any sense of human decency?
Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Appeal to Pity

i suppose one could entertain such a discussion, if one were particularly bored. but why bother? the record speaks for itself.
Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Appeal to Popularity

There is no point in discussing politics.

Logical Fallacy:
Missing the Point: Begging the Question

Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Style Over Substance [Most popular error on this board.]

Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Appeal to Pity

Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Appeal to Popularity

Out of interest, what particular logical fallacy is it if I say 'If I ever find the person who introduced NationStates General to the term 'logical fallacy', they're going to wish they'd never joined up'? Because I've been wondering that for /ages/.

Logical Fallacy:
Missing the Point: Begging the Question


Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Style Over Substance [Most popular error on this board.]

Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Appeal to Pity


Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Appeal to Popularity

There is no point in discussing politics.

you appear to be laboring under a couple misconceptions. a logical fallacy is a form of invalid argument, not any statement you don't like. in order for a fallacy to occur, an argument must be being made.

you could say that i've merely been asserting things without arguing for them. that would be true. but an assertion by itself can never be a logical fallacy.

and your choices for what fallacies several of my assertions would be (if assertions were capable of being logical fallicies) are just silly. claiming that the republican record speaks for itself is an appeal to popularity? what the hell?

if you'd really like, we could get in to the actual arguments behind my statement that making fun of republicans establishes a baseline for sanity. it's not really on topic for this thread, and it would just be the same old same old, but whatever.

Out of interest, what particular logical fallacy is it if I say 'If I ever find the person who introduced NationStates General to the term 'logical fallacy', they're going to wish they'd never joined up'? Because I've been wondering that for /ages/.

Logical fallacy: Premise = conclusion. You assume that they don't know the term from outside sources.

logic is vastly overrated anyway

you appear to be laboring under a couple misconceptions. a logical fallacy is a form of invalid argument, not any statement you don't like. in order for a fallacy to occur, an argument must be being made.

you could say that i've merely been asserting things without arguing for them. that would be true. but an assertion by itself can never be a logical fallacy. Ah, but your statements are in response to a different viewpoint, in a sense you are in a discussion. You have made the statements:
1. Republicans Policy and Ideology is Stupid
2. Republicans Policy and Ideology is based in Fantasy
3. Republicans have no sense of Human Decency
4. Insulting Republicans is a basis for sanity (and persumably intelligence).

In contesting to:
1. Insulting Republicans makes you popular
2. You claim is Illogical.

If you where making a statement, it would not have been directly in response to anything else anyone had said .
:D
and your choices for what fallacies several of my assertions would be (if assertions were capable of being logical fallicies) are just silly. claiming that the republican record speaks for itself is an appeal to popularity? what the hell?
"i suppose one could entertain such a discussion, if one were particularly bored. but why bother? the record speaks for itself."
You could be correct the above is yet anouther "Style Over Substance" argument, but the definition of "Popularity" is: Popularity: a proposition is argued to be true because it is widely held to be true. I am not sure
if you'd really like, we could get in to the actual arguments behind my statement that making fun of republicans establishes a baseline for sanity. it's not really on topic for this thread, and it would just be the same old same old, but whatever.
Not really, you can post exerpts from the Huffington Post, and I can just post exerpts from Deliver Us from Evil: Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism by Sean Hannity (or vice versa since I am in neither camp). And at the end of the day, neither one of us will have made any change in the others thinking without making an emotional appeal.

How about we agree that arguing politics is pointless?

The Republican Persecution Complex is nothing new. It's been pioneered in media, where you've all heard right-wing talk radio bitch, sob and whine about "The Liberal Bias" for years while they were the primary game on the market.

And it worked. Hence the application of it in politics as well.

The Republican Persecution Complex is nothing new. It's been pioneered in media, where you've all heard right-wing talk radio bitch, sob and whine about "The Liberal Bias" for years while they were the primary game on the market.

And it worked. Hence the application of it in politics as well.
Republicans victimize others under the false guize of being victims themselves. The Ultimate passive/aggressive strategy

I've been wondering about this Republican inferiority complex for 25 years. When the Dems were in charge I can't ever remember them rallying the troops by a "They're out to get us." arguement. You would think in 25 years they would get some confidence and not be so paranoid. This is about all Rush and Sean use for arguements. It's as though they think they have spent the last 25 years lieing to the public and someday the puplic might find out.

Republicans don't have a complex.


All they can manage is a simple.


But it all just adds into the culture of fear mongering. The evil foreigners trying to kill them. The evil (errrr...sorry..."activist") judges enforcing the constitution to the detriment of the good ole' days when Christianity was supported as the defacto state religion. The evil Liberal press (you know - the one that gave GW a free pass for at least three years of complete BS).

All that bad press brought on by corrupt Republcians? It's all the Liberals fault.... you know - for pointing it out.

Make people afraid, and let them know that if they don;t get to the polling station that the anti-christs will take over. Hope that this can will overbalance voter apathy on the Democrat side to squeek by in one or two bonus districts. And, if all else fails - put hot-button issues up on the ballot at the same time to ensure turnout of your team.

Its all just a simple - yet effective - strategy.

Republicans don't have a complex.


All they can manage is a simple.


But it all just adds into the culture of fear mongering. The evil foreigners trying to kill them. The evil (errrr...sorry..."activist") judges enforcing the constitution to the detriment of the good ole' days when Christianity was supported as the defacto state religion. The evil Liberal press (you know - the one that gave GW a free pass for at least three years of complete BS).

All that bad press brought on by corrupt Republcians? It's all the Liberals fault.... you know - for pointing it out.

Make people afraid, and let them know that if they don;t get to the polling station that the anti-christs will take over. Hope that this can will overbalance voter apathy on the Democrat side to squeek by in one or two bonus districts. And, if all else fails - put hot-button issues up on the ballot at the same time to ensure turnout of your team.

Its all just a simple - yet effective - strategy.

In other words, cattle herding. Republican all the way.

Democrats eat their Leaders Republicans Sieg Heil their Leaders

Anyone that can bring Star Trek into a discussion has the right issues in mind.
Hey, i'm flexible.
I've got a few from Futurama, Steven Wright, The Simpsons, Monty Python, and Dilbert, but the "breathing room" quote jumped to mind first.
Really, this isn't the kind of thread you can take seriously. I'm sure someone who is VERY GOOD at presenting themselves as an infant-minded flatus-snorting foam-at-the-mouth rightwinger will give some kind of pathetic attack at people that aren't even in power. Oh wait, like right after the post i'm responding to! D'oh!

Yay, an unfounded insult with absolultely no backing or purpose. I didn't see THAT coming.
The cool thing about internet forums is that you can see it coming AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN, and you can revisit it and mentally digest it AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and there goes your day, really.

Logical Fallacy:
Missing the Point: Begging the Question


Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Style Over Substance [Most popular error on this board.]

Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Appeal to Pity


Logical Fallacy:
Appeals to Motives in Place of Support: Appeal to Popularity

There is no point in discussing politics.
Dancing about architecture.

What do you want, an Emmy? :rolleyes:

Dancing about architecture.

What do you want, an Emmy? :rolleyes:
Dancing is an ever-changing, free-flowing form of bodily architecture.

Debate, much like dancing and architecture has form, style, and when it is done well, beauty. I would much rather read a well thought out statement than a sloppy argument I agree with, just as I would rather watch or look at well done dance or architecture than my favorite style done poorly.

And yes, I want my Emmy.

Dancing is an ever-changing, free-flowing form of bodily architecture.

Debate, much like dancing and architecture has form, style, and when it is done well, beauty. I would much rather read a well thought out statement than a sloppy argument I agree with, just as I would rather watch or look at well done dance or architecture than my favorite style done poorly.
Now that's a good answer. *nods* However, i fear your standards may be a *smidge* high for some on this forum ... :(
And yes, I want my Emmy.
Well, can't help ya there. It's good to want ... ;)