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Are men somehow inherently less modest than women? Do you only get to occupy a stall if you really mean business? Frankly, even if I were a man, I wouldn't want to whip it out in plain view (shielded by the narrow urinal wall) to take a leak. And how often is a public bathroom full up anyway, that the issue of space becomes a priority? I mean, some guys say that the urinals make bathroom trips shorter, because you don't have to wait for a stall, and they can fit more urinals in than stalls. But come on. Is that it? So why? Do you LIKE pissing in front of other men? No Fass, you don't get to answer.

*shrug* So we can make sure we walked into the right bathroom.

There's no problem with urinals. They're more hygenic. Let's say you're peeing in a toilet. Some water splashes. Where's the flush lever? Right near the bowl where it can get splashed. Now with a urinal there's less chance of splashback, and the flush handle is located in a more hygenic location.

No Fass, you don't get to answer.
With the fun thing being that he really doesn't. Sorry, dear.

Well, I figure that if you take it for granted that you'll try not to have to sit down in a public relief station (hygienic reasons, at least I avoid it at all costs), stalls would be stupid for, umm, bigger-assed men as you'd have your ass rubbing against the stall door? (if they are build any way like the ones I frequent, those tend to be ridiculously small)

If I could, you know, physically do it without looking all too stupid, I'd prefer urinals, too.

Well, it is faster. I mean, you just undo the fly and pull the undies below the sack and then release the urine. No time wasted pulling the pants all the way down(and undies too) just to sit down, which, by the way, slows down the urine flow. Everything is done faster when you stand. Running is faster. Peeing is faster. paper work, while done in a half-ass way, is done faster. Men like fast, unless it's sex. that's where we like to take our time.

There's actually a stall etiquette that most men use.

If there's three open stalls, use one on the end.

Give at least one stall distance between another user.

Shift your shoulder toward another user, not noticably enough, but just enough so that they understand you have no intent at looking at their wang. They'll do the same and there will be that cool unspoking understanding between you two.

When forced next to another user, don't piss from five feet out to impress everyone. Keep in close and modest.

Troughs? That's just barbaric.

There's more but it's really just common sense and politeness.

Even if they had 'female urinals' I'd use the damn stall. Voiding your bowels is a private matter. You men are weird:)

The troughs aren't so bad. All of the older baseball parks have them and I've never had trouble using them. Oh, except during the 7th inning stretch, then the thing is crowded...

Cause it's fucking conveinent. Whip it out, do your thing, put back, leave. Hell, unless your drunk or stupid, you don't even need to wash your hands.

My question is what makes you think we're peeking over the stalls at other wangs? Baby, if some gay guy (no offense intended) wants to check out my pacakge, fine by me. But that's rare. For the most part, we go in there to piss, not to make friends.

What the hell are YOU doing in the bathroom, checking each other's bra sizes? I mean, get real. It's a piss-pot, not a luncheon.

Even if they had 'female urinals' I'd use the damn stall. Voiding your bowels is a private matter. You men are weird:)

I don't shower with other men either. In our locker room the other guys feel completely natural ass naked right next to each other. I for one can't understand this at all, in my high school if we showered we still wore our damn underwear. Up at college the guys have no problem whipping it out, no matter how unimpressive it is.

Not all men are the same :)

What the hell are YOU doing in the bathroom, checking each other's bra sizes?
Oh, if only you men knew what women did in the bathrooms...haven't you ever wondered why we always take a friend?

We're just showing off that we can aim really. Same as writing our name in the snow.

Oh, if only you men knew what women did in the bathrooms...haven't you ever wondered why we always take a friend?

It's pretty obvious, to talk about how terrible your date is.

I don't shower with other men either. In our locker room the other guys feel completely natural ass naked right next to each other. I for one can't understand this at all, in my high school if we showered we still wore our damn underwear. Up at college the guys have no problem whipping it out, no matter how unimpressive it is.

Not all men are the same :)
That's just the thing...I imagine some guys aren't really comfortable pissing out in the open. Seems like the majority don't care though. Is that just socialisation? I can't fathom it. Perhaps that's my socialisation.

Yeah, showering with others who you don't intend to have sex with is odd, and icky.

It's pretty obvious, to talk about how terrible your date is.
Yeah sure. You probably believe we're powdering our noses too:D

Seems like the majority don't care though. Is that just socialisation? I can't fathom it. Perhaps that's my socialisation.

Personally I think it's just immature. Most men above 30 are rather modest and keep general discretion about their gear.

However, compare that to the kids I live with and...*pauses for traumatic reflection* ever hear of Goatse?

That's just the thing...I imagine some guys aren't really comfortable pissing out in the open. Seems like the majority don't care though. Is that just socialisation? I can't fathom it. Perhaps that's my socialisation.

Yeah, showering with others who you don't intend to have sex with is odd, and icky.
Pissing at a urinal is easy. Showering among other guys, well you get used to it. I prefer to avoid it, but sometimes there's no avoiding it, like when you get locked up.

I don't think too many men are interested in watching me piss. So, since the urinal is far more convenient, I use it.

That's just the thing...I imagine some guys aren't really comfortable pissing out in the open. Seems like the majority don't care though. Is that just socialisation? I can't fathom it. Perhaps that's my socialisation.

Yeah, showering with others who you don't intend to have sex with is odd, and icky.
at the gym they have seperate shower stalls and next to them dressing rooms, I only really have to go maybe 1/2 a foot in my towel, but still there are ladies who walk around in the "common area" of the locker room butt naked. I don't understand......there are dressing rooms, why the heck change clothes in front of everyone? why walk around naked when you don't have to? and why is it always the really fat or really old ladies that do it?!

oh, on topic, hubby says that there are rules in the men's room, they don't look or talk to eachother. We had a long conversation about public bathrooms one day, he was shocked that ladies talk to eachother, and even ask for TP to be passed under the stall.........he thinks we are uncivilized LOL.

Yeah sure. You probably believe we're powdering our noses too:D
So how did a euphamism for doing a line of blow turn into a polite way to say you need to go to the bathroom?

Yeah sure. You probably believe we're powdering our noses too:D
in a manner of speaking, yes... :D

I don't think too many men are interested in watching me piss. So, since the urinal is far more convenient, I use it.
Exactly. It's a convience-speed thing. Why make some big issue about it? Hell, there are little tubes that women can buy to enable them to use urinals. I don't see why it should be any sort of deal at all. Period.

So how did a euphamism for doing a line of blow turn into a polite way to say you need to go to the bathroom?
Bathrooms used to be called powder rooms. And women used to really powder their noses...actually, their whole face.

Oh, if only you men knew what women did in the bathrooms...haven't you ever wondered why we always take a friend?

You'd only trust a friend to see you lift your skirt and squat?

oh, on topic, hubby says that there are rules in the men's room, they don't look or talk to eachother. We had a long conversation about public bathrooms one day, he was shocked that ladies talk to eachother, and even ask for TP to be passed under the stall.........he thinks we are uncivilized LOL.

You are uncivilised. In our school they had to lock one of the girl's bathrooms because of the ridiculous number of girls congregating in there. Not using it, or smoking. Just standing around having a chat. While not 1/2 a foot away some poor 2nd year (14-15 y/o) is in one of the cubicles.

You'd only trust a friend to see you lift your skirt and squat?
Nah, they guard the doors, which usually have broken locks:)

And tubes for women to use a urinal? Eww.

Bathrooms used to be called powder rooms. And women used to really powder their noses...actually, their whole face.
Yeah, I know cocaine used to be legal, but covering your face with it seems like a waste.

we all have them so it doesnt matter - i'd be more bothered if a 'man' didn't


anyway, there is a etiquette to it.

if there is an empty row with urinals 1-5

man A enters, he goes to urinal 5
man B enters , he goes to urinal 1
Man c enters, he goes to urinal 3
Then the uncormfortable part of 2 and 3

And tubes for women to use a urinal? Eww.

Yeah anytime you have to use a tube to relieve yourself outside of a hospital...just gross.

Yeah, I know cocaine used to be legal, but covering your face with it seems like a waste.
Smart ass Jersey boy!

Yeah, I know cocaine used to be legal, but covering your face with it seems like a waste.
lol

I don't mind pissing in a urinal if the stalls are taken, but usually I take a stall. It's got almost nothing to do with privacy, either, I always pee sitting down at home too (and never forget to put the toilet seat back up ;) )

My only problem with the urinal is the lack of shielding against drunks.

One time my friend, drunk off his ass, decided to share a urinal with me. Upon which he pissed all over my leg and boot. Had I used a stall said travesty would have been averted.

I don't mind pissing in a urinal if the stalls are taken, but usually I take a stall. It's got almost nothing to do with privacy, either, I always pee sitting down at home too (and never forget to put the toilet seat back up ;) )
Ugh, you choose to sit down on public toilets? That's pretty much a last resort for me. It would have to be a choice between dumping on a filthy public toilet or dumping in my pants. Even so I make the time to cover the seat in toilet paper prior to sitting.

Ugh, you choose to sit down on public toilets? That's pretty much a last resort for me. It would have to be a choice between dumping on a filthy public toilet or dumping in my pants. Even so I make the time to cover the seat in toilet paper prior to sitting.
Yeah, I use the hover method.

Are men somehow inherently less modest than women? Do you only get to occupy a stall if you really mean business? Frankly, even if I were a man, I wouldn't want to whip it out in plain view (shielded by the narrow urinal wall) to take a leak. And how often is a public bathroom full up anyway, that the issue of space becomes a priority? I mean, some guys say that the urinals make bathroom trips shorter, because you don't have to wait for a stall, and they can fit more urinals in than stalls. But come on. Is that it? So why? Do you LIKE pissing in front of other men? No Fass, you don't get to answer.

Funnily enough I happen to know a great deal about this topic. I am a Company Director of JBOL (www.whizaway.com).

There are two issues here, standing and privacy. Sitting to urinate is a late nineteenth century custom for women. When women were offered the chance to have the same advantages as men at music festivals with the JBOL device, they were pretty popular and there was little issue of privacy, though this was at a music festivals where needs must.

This is written from a European perspective, where the whole thing is less of an issue.

Yeah, I use the hover method.

I feel more comfortable just coating the seat in toilet paper. Hovering can lead to problems. One leg cramp = complicated situation.

Yeah, I use the hover method.

I thought for a sec that said hoover method :confused:

Funnily enough I happen to know a great deal about this topic. I am a Company Director of JBOL (www.whizaway.com).

There are two issues here, standing and privacy. Sitting to urinate is a late nineteenth century custom for women. When women were offered the chance to have the same advantages as men at music festivals with the JBOL device, they were pretty popular and there was little issue of privacy, though this was at a music festivals where needs must.

This is written from a European perspective, where the whole thing is less of an issue.
that is the coolest thing I have ever seen......how does someone in America get one?
(My 4 year old won't use the public potty for fear of germs and is too short to hover properly)

You don't have to use the urinals, one can simply turn into a standard stall, whip it out, piss away (careful with the aim, of course), and then be off with no problems. I personally don't mind urinals, provided that there really is some sort of wall on either side of me. However, I'd never use a trough or a urinal that was "open" (with no walls), nor would I shower with other people.
A man's dick is his own business and should not be waved about out of simple convenience; we invented clothes for a reason, after all.

that is the coolest thing I have ever seen......how does someone in America get one?
(My 4 year old won't use the public potty for fear of germs and is too short to hover properly)
And yay, you get to wash out some plastic covered in urine! Convenience at its best!

Ugh, you choose to sit down on public toilets? That's pretty much a last resort for me. It would have to be a choice between dumping on a filthy public toilet or dumping in my pants. Even so I make the time to cover the seat in toilet paper prior to sitting.
well, maybe they'd be cleaner if you stopped taking dumps on them! :p

I thought for a sec that said hoover method :confused:
rofl!

And yay, you get to wash out some plastic covered in urine! Convenience at its best!
hey! If it keeps me from having to leave the mall to go home so she can pee, or trying to find a doctors office, I am game.

well, maybe they'd be cleaner if you stopped taking dumps on them! :p
Silly me. Dumping in a toilet is wrong. Better to use cars with open moon roofs. After all they don't call it a moon-roof for nothing.

that is the coolest thing I have ever seen......how does someone in America get one?
(My 4 year old won't use the public potty for fear of germs and is too short to hover properly)

Simply pay by credit card, click here (http://www.whizaway.com/shop2.html).

It should make that clear on the website, I will have a word tomorrow.

I am a bit wary of talking about it too much, as I would not want to step over the terms and conditions.

Simply pay by credit card, click here (http://www.whizaway.com/shop2.html).

It should make that clear on the website, I will have a word tomorrow.

I am a bit wary of talking about it too much, as I would not want to step over the terms and conditions.
thanks. ;)

yeah as long as you follow the cardnal rule of not going right next to somone or talking stalls are fine. now the one time i was going and my drivers ed teacher walked in and started talking to me about my test... that was bad. why was he even in the student bathroom in the first place??

troughs are bad though. i try to avoid them.

It really isn't much of a problem.


On the whole politics of the men's toilets, there is quite a funny short film (just over 5min AFAIK) called Yoorinal - An Insider's Guide to the Gents' Toilet which has Paul Kaye (of Dennis Pennis fame). Though I have no idea where you'd be able to see it.

hey! If it keeps me from having to leave the mall to go home so she can pee, or trying to find a doctors office, I am game.
Zis is true.

When I was selling the things at markets stall, once the customers had a few drinks, I had a whole comedy sketch about how women urinate in cubicals. The idea that this stuff was known and that as a urologist, it was my job to know rather than being a creepy weirdo had great comedy potential.

Most women hover, some use toilet paper on the seat. It largely depends how tall they are. Often there will be one hand on the thigh and the other against the toilet door.

It is funny the things you learn in the course of your career.

Exactly. It's a convience-speed thing. Why make some big issue about it? Hell, there are little tubes that women can buy to enable them to use urinals. I don't see why it should be any sort of deal at all. Period.
Hold on, little tubes? There aren't any urinals in women's rooms, and they aren't allowed in men's rooms. What's the point? :p

I prefer to use the cubicle. As for "bathroom" (there's no baths in there!) etiquette, I'd prefer if the guys who piss on the toilet seat and/or don't flush would occasionally talk instead (I'd prefer more if they'd just stay silent and use the f*cking toilet properly though). Of course, I prefer not to have to sit down, but if I have to, I want the f*cking seat to be clean.

"I go to the stall anyway. Public pissing is gross!"

I never use a urinal, stalls are better but they are gross too. The whole public restroom is damn disgusting, but it's not much of a problem for me since I only do a number 1 once a day and a number 2 once a month. So I only use a public restroom on emergencies.

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

Are men somehow inherently less modest than women? Do you only get to occupy a stall if you really mean business? Frankly, even if I were a man, I wouldn't want to whip it out in plain view (shielded by the narrow urinal wall) to take a leak. And how often is a public bathroom full up anyway, that the issue of space becomes a priority? I mean, some guys say that the urinals make bathroom trips shorter, because you don't have to wait for a stall, and they can fit more urinals in than stalls. But come on. Is that it? So why? Do you LIKE pissing in front of other men? No Fass, you don't get to answer.


like, this is a joke, right? first, there's a kind of unwritten rule. you don't stare at mine, and I won't stare at yours. anybody staring is a "perv" (sorry, but that's pretty much it) and you either stare him in the eye till he knows he's off limits, or you take his face off. second, most of the time the design of the men's room means you'd have to be really trying or the guy would have to be flashing for anybody to see anything. third, who wants all the hassle of getting your pants down and sitting if you don't need to? why do you think our zippers are where they are? finally, ever notice where the long line is, the men's room or the ladies'? THE LADIES', and that's because of our urinals.

others have already said how it works and how quick it is: I can be in and out in about a minute. then presto, I'm gone. I go and stand as near the ladies' room as the line outside it will let me, until my woman comes out. if she's lucky, I only get to listen to one or two songs on my MP3; one time I got most of the way through Dark Side of the Moon before she got out.

Oh, if only you men knew what women did in the bathrooms...haven't you ever wondered why we always take a friend?

so why don't you tell us? I'm sure we all want to know.

A good reason to avoid toilet stalls.

http://view.break.com/77988

Warning, foul language.

Men, why do you put up with urinals?

Um, because we dont mind using them? I cant really think of anywhere else to go with this.

I thought for a sec that said hoover method :confused:


the hoover method? must be hard now that J Edgar is dead. but I bet it worked well when he was alive, and it explains a lot about what he was like.

Even if they had 'female urinals' I'd use the damn stall. Voiding your bowels is a private matter. You men are weird:)
I've never seen any man shitting in a urinal.

But seriously, women are more repressed and ashamed of their bodies. Or something like that. Anyway, you're only against it not because we're weird but because's you're repressed. I thought you of all people would see this.

At the building my office is in, there's one stall and one urinal in the men's room on our floor. Somehow, I always end up having to go use the lavvy in the coffee shop down in the lobby, as the stall is occupied more often than not.

I think urinals are stupid, personally. Dual-function makes far more sense.

so why don't you tell us? I'm sure we all want to know.
Yes, please reveal this great mystery to us. :rolleyes:

... I had a whole comedy sketch about how women urinate in cubicals. ...


Lenny Bruce had this whole routine he did about women going to the ladies'. the one I saw started with how they have to go together in "flocks" and how weird it would be for men to invite each other to the men's room. of course he went on about women sharing drugs and advice on oral sex, but there was also this thing about an obsessive woman pulling her cleaning stuff out of her bag (Comet? can't remember) before she could go, and in the next stall some other woman was decorating her stall with used tampons to kill time. it was generally weird.

that is the coolest thing I have ever seen......how does someone in America get one?
(My 4 year old won't use the public potty for fear of germs and is too short to hover properly)
Those type devices (one of which is branded "Lady J" (http://www.biorelief.com/store/Lady-J-Female-Adapter.html)) are sold in many US "Outdoor" shops and catalogues as well as medical supply houses.

A great resource for that type of info is a book called "How to Shit in the Woods" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0898156270/002-3131697-0216847?v=glance&n=283155) - written by a woman - which has a lovely chapter called "FOr Women Only - How not to pee in your boots". :D

Silly me. Dumping in a toilet is wrong. Better to use cars with open moon roofs. After all they don't call it a moon-roof for nothing.

YAY! :D

Cars are far more hygienic. Well... until you're done. :p

Ah the Urinals, only the veterans can answer how to use these tactics.
How tactical are you? Test the pick a urinal game here http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=10285

YAY! :D

Cars are far more hygienic. Well... until you're done. :p


that's why you use the moon roof on somebody else's car. people are always parking their car with the moon roof open around here. :D

I had this really crazy experience a couple of years back.

I was standing in front of a urinal in a very crowded toilet, ready to make room for more beer, and this funny thought struck me: "I wonder if there are men in the world who through some strange psychological inhibition simply are incapable of urinating while in the presence of other men?" Up until this point, I had had no problem with urinating in urinals, but just as the thought struck me, I found that I no longer felt the urge to relieve myself. Which was strange, because up until a few seconds ago, I had felt a strange kinship with the hoover dam. But there I was, standing in front of a urinal, realizing that nothing whatsoever was going to come from this endeavour. So I just stood there for maybe half a minute, feeling like an idiot. Finally, I just had to zip and leave.

Later, in equally awkward sessions in front of urinals, I've discovered that this weird inhibition remains. So my advice to all men is: Never ever think "what if I couldn't," while standing in front of a urinal!

that's why you use the moon roof on somebody else's car. people are always parking their car with the moon roof open around here. :D

And they're usually expensive cars. :)

Ah the Urinals, only the veterans can answer how to use these tactics.
How tactical are you? Test the pick a urinal game here http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=10285


There's also this for anyone who wants more lavatorial time-wasting games.

http://www.wellbored.com/free_flash_games/pages/j2o_toilet_game.htm

Are men somehow inherently less modest than women? Do you only get to occupy a stall if you really mean business? Frankly, even if I were a man, I wouldn't want to whip it out in plain view (shielded by the narrow urinal wall) to take a leak. And how often is a public bathroom full up anyway, that the issue of space becomes a priority? I mean, some guys say that the urinals make bathroom trips shorter, because you don't have to wait for a stall, and they can fit more urinals in than stalls. But come on. Is that it? So why? Do you LIKE pissing in front of other men? No Fass, you don't get to answer.
I go to a bar that doesnt even have Urinals--it has a urinal. A large trough, you stand shoulder to shoulder or....face to face with someone and piss away.

I dont see the big deal---it's just pissing.

Ah the Urinals, only the veterans can answer how to use these tactics.
How tactical are you? Test the pick a urinal game here http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=10285

good fun. I've already sent it to 6 of my friends (well, that seemed the right number, don't you agree?)

-snip-

I like the way you think, very philosophically.

Are men somehow inherently less modest than women? Do you only get to occupy a stall if you really mean business? Frankly, even if I were a man, I wouldn't want to whip it out in plain view (shielded by the narrow urinal wall) to take a leak. And how often is a public bathroom full up anyway, that the issue of space becomes a priority? I mean, some guys say that the urinals make bathroom trips shorter, because you don't have to wait for a stall, and they can fit more urinals in than stalls. But come on. Is that it? So why? Do you LIKE pissing in front of other men? No Fass, you don't get to answer.

There is a complex and strict social code governing use of urinals. As in most societies men are called upon to constantly re-affirm their inherent manliness. It is not enough that men be called upon to demonstrate their virility by simply demonstrating an inability to perform feminine tasks such as understanding another person, having an opinion on interior decorating, or finding a good parking space instead of squeezing into a bad one that's close to where we want to go.

Any sissy can pretend not to be good at something. It is in the intuitivly manly arenas that men are called upon to demonstrate their true manliness. One of the biggest and most important of such tests is the Urinal Dance (http://www.drinknation.com/urinaltest.php). Like how cats demonstrate their position in the neighborhood heirarchy by where they don't walk men have the opportunity to demonstrate their understanding of the delicate balance between imodesty and openness. Stand too close and you're a wierdo for being too comfortable in proximity to other bare penises. Stand too far away, such as in the stalls when there's a urinal free, well then you're too timid to be a real man.

Either that, or it's just easier, quicker, and tidier to pull it out through a hole in your pants and pee into a hole in the wall than it is to drop trou and sit on a filthy stall, stand and pee into it getting splashed on, or as many of the ladies do, squat over the bowl without actually sitting down. My thighs ache just thinking about trying that maneuver.

BTW congratulations on Law School and happy birthday to your little one.
Felt a little lost in the suffle in the appropriate threads :)

And they're usually expensive cars. :)


even better. why should I use a cheap crapper?

The unspoken rule, leave 1 urinal between you and the person next to you.

The unspoken rule, leave 1 urinal between you and the person next to you.

Unless there's no other urinals available.

Gotta love the person who uses the urinal next to you when five of them are open. Turns into that creepy akward piss that no one likes.

No Fass, you don't get to answer.

Fine. I won't.

at the gym they have seperate shower stalls and next to them dressing rooms, I only really have to go maybe 1/2 a foot in my towel, but still there are ladies who walk around in the "common area" of the locker room butt naked. I don't understand......there are dressing rooms, why the heck change clothes in front of everyone? why walk around naked when you don't have to? and why is it always the really fat or really old ladies that do it?!

oh, on topic, hubby says that there are rules in the men's room, they don't look or talk to eachother. We had a long conversation about public bathrooms one day, he was shocked that ladies talk to eachother, and even ask for TP to be passed under the stall.........he thinks we are uncivilized LOL.

when taking a piss no one is staring at you, you're doing your buisness and they're doing theirs; even with a trough you just keep your eyes on yourself.

and besides, what's wrong with nudity? i mean, i don't think people in the bathroom (or even the shower room) are going to be checking you out, so what's wrong?

people are too uptight about nudity. like it's a big secret what's under your clothes. who cares?

i'm probably not going to walk around showing everyone my penis, but it's not something i feel like i have to hide.

oh, and most men are generally against talking in the bathroom, but i don't understand that either.

I want the f*cking seat to be clean.

actually, they've done studies and found there are more germs on a bathroom doorknob than on a toilet seat. you're not going to die from sitting on a toilet seat. if it looks clean, do it.

OY! 7th Inning Stretch @ the Astrodome.
THAT WAS HORRIBLE.

Urinals are actually more private than you might realize. Keep in mind that males in society are very pigeonholed into what they can and can't do, and a guy generally won't let his eyes drift anywhere in the NEIGHBORHOOD of another guy while using the can in order to keep from people thinking he's gay. Homosexuals, on the other hand, won't look out of the fact that if someone sees them, they might possibly beat the crap out of them.

Plus, with both heterosexual and homosexual men, there's always the whole "decency" thing. Doesn't matter whether you're gay or straight - everyone has ideas of decency.

actually, they've done studies and found there are more germs on a bathroom doorknob than on a toilet seat. you're not going to die from sitting on a toilet seat. if it looks clean, do it.

That's just the problem. They often have urine on, which doesn't make them look very clean at all.

There's no problem with urinals. They're more hygenic. Let's say you're peeing in a toilet. Some water splashes. Where's the flush lever? Right near the bowl where it can get splashed. Now with a urinal there's less chance of splashback, and the flush handle is located in a more hygenic location.
More hygienic? Have you ever looked closely at them? There's usually piss everywhere. I can't understand how guys can have such dreadful aim - it certainly lends credence to the female barb about men being lousy lovers. Let's face it: If we can't get it into a hole that big in a well-lit room...well, you can guess the rest.

You ppl should try this test out:
http://www.crazyhill.com/hung/other_game/urinal.html

(also worthwhile for girls to try, so they can understand proper gentlemen's urinal etiquette).

Speaking of girls, there's now no reason for 1/2 the worlds population to feel left out of the creepiness that comes from standing right next to a complete stranger emptying their bladder:
http://www.gbhgroup.com.my/saniware/saniware4c.htm

I want the f*cking seat to be clean.
I hear ya. I really appreciate one of the shopping malls here, mainly because there's a toilet attendant AND paper toilet seat covers to use. Also automatic flushing, so you don't have to touch anything that's prob got someone else's faecal matter on it. And best of all they hold the door open for you.
I hate how public bathroom doors swing inward, so after you do your business and wash your hands, you have to use a handle that's got lord knows how many guy's piss and crap smeared on it. Something like 70% of people don't wash their hands afterwards.
Which is also why I don't eat those free sweets some restaurants have at the counter anymore (nor the free peanuts/pretzels in bars).

Using urinals is no big deal....

unless you're a pussy (pun intended)

Are men somehow inherently less modest than women? Do you only get to occupy a stall if you really mean business? Frankly, even if I were a man, I wouldn't want to whip it out in plain view (shielded by the narrow urinal wall) to take a leak. And how often is a public bathroom full up anyway, that the issue of space becomes a priority? I mean, some guys say that the urinals make bathroom trips shorter, because you don't have to wait for a stall, and they can fit more urinals in than stalls. But come on. Is that it? So why? Do you LIKE pissing in front of other men? No Fass, you don't get to answer.
First, it's not as convenient as using the tree or the bush outside the door, but society demands that we urinate somewhere indoors.
Second, don't forget that we have grown up writing our names in the snow.
Third, don't forget that we don't generally think like women.

I piss in the stalls. Apart from anything, most clubs I go to seem to have the old 20ft metal tray urinals where there aren't any dividers. Since it's a club, the people piss shoulder to shoulder. Since piss is projectile and metal is nice and hard, everyone pissing in the urinals tends to get other people's piss on them.

I think a urinal for females is kind of difficult to engineer...they'd most likely end up sitting anyway. Men can stand while urinating...so it's just convenient to have urinals for that purpose. It's not a man/woman thing. It's a penis/vagina thing. And if you understand where I'm coming from, you'll understand that there is a difference.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Makis/Other/mens_bathroom.jpg

This topic was begging for it. :D

<snip pic>This topic was begging for it. :D
Where is this located?!?

From a purely architectural/design standpoint, I have never seen that model of urinal before. I would be very interested in tracking it down.

Also, from the Women & butt-contact POV, those urinals look like they could be used more easily than any other as a "zero-contact" straddle pisser.

Interesting.

Where is this located?!?

From a purely architectural/design standpoint, I have never seen that model of urinal before. I would be very interested in tracking it down.

Also, from the Women & butt-contact POV, those urinals look like they could be used more easily than any other as a "zero-contact" straddle pisser.

Interesting.

I'm afraid I can't help you with that, I just picked it up and saved it from someone elses post on a different forum. I wouldn't mind knowing though... *shrug*

Convenience, ease of use. Speed. With a toilet, aiming is harder (unless of course you're sitting down, but what man would do that when we can pee standing up?), plus, you have to reach down and flush it, instead of reaching forward with a urinal, and also, because of the handle's location, it's easier for people to piss on it. Plus there's the issue of closing the stall door, opening it when you're done. Also, the toilet uses more water than a urinal. For me, pissing in a public stall rather than a urinal is like using a bazooka to swat a fly.

I don't like when there's no little urinal wall, but when there is, that's as much privacy as is needed. After all, I'm not pulling down my pants, I'm just undoing my fly. You just go up to the urinal, whip it out, piss, do up your fly again, flush, wash your hands and go. It's simple and convenient. I've always wondered why women have yet to develop a way to make pissing more fast and convenient for them, especially when some complain about lines at the restroom. Whatever though.

And yes, there are rigid rules for conduct in the men's restroom. Do not talk to anyone, do not look at anyone. Do not make unnecessary movements. Use the farthest possible urinal from other guys. If you use the stall when there are open urinals (especially when there several open urinals in a row) you're a a wimp, etc.

OY! 7th Inning Stretch @ the Astrodome.
THAT WAS HORRIBLE.

Urinals are actually more private than you might realize. Keep in mind that males in society are very pigeonholed into what they can and can't do, and a guy generally won't let his eyes drift anywhere in the NEIGHBORHOOD of another guy while using the can in order to keep from people thinking he's gay. Homosexuals, on the other hand, won't look out of the fact that if someone sees them, they might possibly beat the crap out of them.

Plus, with both heterosexual and homosexual men, there's always the whole "decency" thing. Doesn't matter whether you're gay or straight - everyone has ideas of decency.
Unless you live in Japan.

Unless you live in Japan.


what? what's different about Japan?

Any man who uses a urinal is, in my opinion, disgusting. HAY EVERYBODY LOOK AT MY WANG ISN'T IT AWESOME???? Yuck. This is why I hate men.

I'm a guy and I use the stall no matter what. I have yet to use a urinal and the only way I ever will is if a threat is being made at my life.

Frankly, using a urinal isnt exactly private..its semi-private. If someone wants to look at your wang, you probably cant stop them. But most men arent homo.

I personally don't mind using a urinal. i just have one rule: dont stand right beside another guy if there are other urinals available.

..If someone wants to look at your wang, you probably cant stop them. But most men arent homo.

Most 'homo' men won't try to look at your genital when pissing at a urinal, though I probably can't stop you believing it.

I'm still waiting for what the women get up to when they go off in herds to the ladies' room...

I'm still waiting for what the women get up to when they go off in herds to the ladies' room...
That answer has been given (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10542586&postcount=26).

That answer has been given (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10542586&postcount=26).
Great. Just great. So I just went backwards through the whole thread to find that quote of yours, and just when I finally found it and hit reply..
*likes it when people out themselves as not having read the thread before posting*

Great. Just great. So I just went backwards through the whole thread to find that quote of yours, and just when I finally found it and hit reply..
*likes it when people out themselves as not having read the thread before posting*
MUAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! The truth is, I think most people don't read all the way through a long thread. I'll admit I don't always bother.

That answer has been given (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10542586&postcount=26).


that's no answer, it's a smokescreen. let's get them to tell us what they really get up to.
;)

See, I think a "straddle" urinal based roughly on the design in the picture above could be a real boon to women, especially if it was lowered and narrowed just a bit...

MUAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! The truth is, I think most people don't read all the way through a long thread. I'll admit I don't always bother.
You are evil. For both. And: Long, my ass. It was on the first page. Well, with my setting.
that's no answer, it's a smokescreen. let's get them to tell us what they really get up to.
You are aware that Sinuhue pretends to be a woman on these fora, no?

*shrug* So we can make sure we walked into the right bathroom.
I've been happy to see them many times when I thought I was in the wrong one.

To answer your question...lazyness?

See, I think a "straddle" urinal based roughly on the design in the picture above could be a real boon to women, especially if it was lowered and narrowed just a bit...


picture? man, I really better get glasses...

See, I think a "straddle" urinal based roughly on the design in the picture above could be a real boon to women, especially if it was lowered and narrowed just a bit...
Now, this is only based on personal experience, but..In order for anything pissing-without-sitting-down style, as a woman, you'll need to get rather close to a squatting position in order to not make a mess, which I must admit to not find a fancy thing to do without a closed stall around me.

That, and that we'd have to pull down our pants completely, which also is a thing I might not want to do as often as I need to piss in public.

we have rules. go to the ends first. leave one open between others if possible. If there is a person on one side, turn away. If there are people on both sides, step a bit closer. Keep eyes either down at your own junk or at a fixed point on the wall. Piss, shake, tuck, flush, and zip.

It is so much more convenient than a stall...my dorm has no dividers, so there is no need for the middle one (we have three). If the end two are taken, you go to the stall.

I was told that if I ever discovered the true reason for female packs to the bathroom, I would be castrated :(

You are aware that Sinuhue pretends to be a woman on these fora, no?
You just want me to show you my tits.

picture? man, I really better get glasses...
Jesus, it's only 16 posts before yours (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10543993&postcount=90). Try reading before posting.

You just want me to show you my tits.
At least I never pretended to have any other intentions.

At least I never pretended to have any other intentions.
Honesty is only one of your best qualities:)

Now, this is only based on personal experience, but..In order for anything pissing-without-sitting-down style, as a woman, you'll need to get rather close to a squatting position in order to not make a mess, which I must admit to not find a fancy thing to do without a closed stall around me.

That, and that we'd have to pull down our pants completely, which also is a thing I might not want to do as often as I need to piss in public.
Oh, I know. I was just posing a "solution" to the "butt-touch-grodies" issue.

I'm also thinking more along the lines of a "speed stall" vs a "sit & post" - not a urinal line (as pictured above).

Honesty is only one of your best qualities:)
With faking modesty extremely well being the other, shut it already.

With faking modesty extremely well being the other, shut it already.MUAHAHAHAHAAHA! Where are you blushing?

Oh, I know. I was just posing a "solution" to the "butt-touch-grodies" issue.

I'm also thinking more along the lines of a "speed stall" vs a "sit & post" - not a urinal line (as pictured above).
Yeah, I know.

But I think the one thing that saves you guys time most is the not having to really undress part, which (most) women will not be capable of without technical assistance, so there goes the 'speed' part, unfortunately. *also wishes for a 'cure' for the long waiting lines*

...You are aware that Sinuhue pretends to be a woman on these fora, no?

:confused: :eek: are you kidding?

can't trust anybody nowadays, can you?

MUAHAHAHAHAAHA! Where are you blushing?
A post for a post, a picture for a picture. And my English is not good enough to really name too many body parts.

:confused: :eek: are you kidding?
Never. Hate kids.

can't trust anybody nowadays, can you?
That is correct. Welcome to the internets.

That is correct. Welcome to the internets.
Ugh...this is how rumours get started...remember the theory that I was my transgendered brother?:D

Do you actually have a picture to play this game of 'dare' with?

Yeah, I know.

But I think the one thing that saves you guys time most is the not having to really undress part, which (most) women will not be capable of without technical assistance, so there goes the 'speed' part, unfortunately. *also wishes for a 'cure' for the long waiting lines*
Well, that's what you get for wearing nonsensical clothing like full-body jumpers and such. :p

Anyway, didn't you watch "The Full Monty"? Lots of hints there... :D

:confused: :eek: are you kidding?

can't trust anybody nowadays, can you?

On teh interwebs, when could you trust people?

On teh interwebs, when could you trust people?
"how can you tell she's a nurse if she doesn't have any clothes on?"

I've had an epiphany! There should be things called "drunklets" for people too drunk (or stupid) to properly use a toilet! The normal toilets would be too demanding on motor skills for teh uberdrunkz, so they wouldn't go there. The drunklets would of course just be drains in the floor, since they're just gonna piss on the floor anyway.

Men are brought up to accept them...like women are brought up to be ashamed of their beauty and looks unless they are 'the hottest'. Do I like peeing infront of other men...not really. Do I like seeing a 500 pound fat guy piss on himself cause he can't even find it...and then groaning in the urinal across from me, no...and ya the look down and over thing some guys do to you is *shudder* wrong.

It's easy. They can fit more of them. Guys don't look so it doesn't matter about whether they COULD see it or not. It's fast. I don't take issue with group showers either. Who cares? Hell, in the military, we had to shower so fast that we would often switch off on one shower head (wet down, step out while someone else uses it. soap up, wait your turn to rinse off). We are socialized to be ashamed of nudity, not to be unashamed of it.

The difference between men and women, at least in my experience, is that men will be nude around each other if it's necessary (to urinate, to shower), but we avoid walking around an apartment for example nude in front of our roommates. This was even true for guys who have regularly showed together in group showers at the gym and whatnot. Women on the other hand seem to just kind of get over it. The girls I knew that were in sororities and whatever and had seen each other nude in group showers often just stop caring about covering up when walking around an apartment with women that have already seen them naked. (Keep in mind, that these are very broad generalities and only in my experience).

Hell, I used to hang out all the time at a female friend's apartment (she had three female roommates). One of them didn't realize I was there about a month after I started hanging out there and walked out of the shower nude and into the living room. She was embarassed at the time but afterward she was totally unphased by the fact that I was around and just walked around however. Eventually so did the other roommates. I guess men and women all have things they are comfortable with and things they aren't.

Do you think women should have to hide when they feed a baby? That's perfectly natural too.

Jesus, it's only 16 posts before yours (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10543993&postcount=90). Try reading before posting.


oh, that picture! I've been rushing through some things, and for some reason I didn't put it together with the post. I must be needing to go to a urinal. or maybe you do?

I despise urinals. I'm a stall man, and that's the way it's always going to be.

Honesty is only one of your best qualities:)

Actually, if you're offering... put me on the list.

Ugh...this is how rumours get started...remember the theory that I was my transgendered brother?:D
I don't remember! Can't believe I missed out on the chance to nourish that one, sounds like a perfect thing for me to do. Shame.

Do you actually have a picture to play this game of 'dare' with?
Do I look like I do? Unfortunately, the only e-pic of me features me fully clothed and not even up-close, so my oh so huge honesty will probably prevent me from getting a deal with you. Shame II.

Do I look like I do? Unfortunately, the only e-pic of me features me fully clothed and not even up-close, so my oh so huge honesty will probably prevent me from getting a deal with you. Shame II.
I don't know. I can't see you. Bahahahahahaahahhaaaaa!

The difference between men and women, at least in my experience, is that men will be nude around each other if it's necessary (to urinate, to shower),
Do you think women should have to hide when they feed a baby? That's perfectly natural too.
you strip down to piss?:eek: :p

and breast feeding depends on location...if the woman is in a restauraunt, then yeah, go to the bathroom or car. If you're at the park, then I guess it is more okay.

I must be needing to go to a urinal. or maybe you do?
I think I stated my thoughts on women using urinals just a few posts ago. But you may have rushed over that. Weren't I say blatantly anti-smiley, I might even use the winking one now.

Actually, if you're offering... put me on the list.
Remember to stick to your place in the line, now. I was first AND an only child!

Do you think women should have to hide when they feed a baby? That's perfectly natural too.
Are you now advocating that men should be able to piss in complete public, rather than hide away in a small room to do it?

Gotta love the person who uses the urinal next to you when five of them are open. Turns into that creepy akward piss that no one likes.

Try it when someone does it with toilets. At a base I was at, there were no stalls and the toilets were so close together that some of the bigger guys' legs would touch if they sat on toilets next to one another. I was using one and my colonel came in and sat on the one next to me and talked to me the whole time while pausing in mid-sentence to push. It's true - some men ARE crazy.

and breast feeding depends on location...if the woman is in a restauraunt, then yeah, go to the bathroom or car.
Isn't a restaurant a place of eating? How does that make sense?

I don't know. I can't see you. Bahahahahahaahahhaaaaa!
I know. I can. Do you think going over to my flatmate and ask her to take a pic of my tits would be a wise decision?

...
That is correct. Welcome to the internets.

that was meant to be irony. I guess it's old-fashioned or something.

11. Given a string of unoccupied urinals, you must choose one on the
outside. When one outside urinal is occupied, use the other side, then
middle. Avoid standing directly next to somebody at all costs.

For example, given seven urinals, here are acceptable configurations:
X...... (X == occupied, . == empty)
X.....X
X..X..X
X.X.X.X
XXX.X.X <-- These are only acceptable when significant
XXX.XXX <-- "privacy" dividers are available. If the
XXXXXXX <-- urinals aren't divided, use a toilet.

12. Always look at the wall. Looking down means you're obsessed or
don't know what you're doing. Looking at other people is threatening.

13. Flushing is optional. Over time, the water will become a rich
orange. At this point, flushing is mandatory.

14. Don't start unzipping until you're protected by the privacy of the
urinal. Don't step back until you've closed your pants again.

clicky- http://gdl.msu.edu/~vanhoose/humor/0642.html

Are you now advocating that men should be able to piss in complete public, rather than hide away in a small room to do it?

Actually, I think that bathrooms should be unisex. The current situation is insensitive to those that don't fit so neatly into our two nice, neat, not-so-accurate packages.

That said, the bathroom is different because one is waste material and one is not. However, I'll admit that the only difference in my mind between pissing and blowing your nose is the difficulty of disposing of the material and the scent.

Isn't a restaurant a place of eating? How does that make sense?
It's a place of eating what's printed on the menue. I can't eat everything I want to in a restaurant (at least not in the open), no matter how hot the waitress is, either.

Isn't a restaurant a place of eating? How does that make sense?Make love, not sense!:fluffle:
But from the stance of a waitperson, it makes foodservice a bit more difficult as other customers get annoyed. Plus the fact that I see it as something that is intimate between mother and child, and not meant to be on display.
Please don't take this as me saying "you should be locked in a closet while you are breastfeeding". I, myself, have no problem with it. I just know from experience that in a public place like that, it just gives a big headache.

Nobody likes the idea of drunklets... never mind. My genius is just too great for thy perceptions.

that was meant to be irony. I guess it's old-fashioned or something.
Ditto.

Check Newgrounds...I know their existed a flash game about going to the urinal to take a piss...it had like 10 'rules' lol!

I've had an epiphany! There should be things called "drunklets" for people too drunk (or stupid) to properly use a toilet! The normal toilets would be too demanding on motor skills for teh uberdrunkz, so they wouldn't go there. The drunklets would of course just be drains in the floor, since they're just gonna piss on the floor anyway.


not bad, but maybe instead it should be some kind of funnel thing that fits completely around the penis, kind of like when you dock a jet plane for mid-air refueling. but not actually touching, just something big enough and high enough so you can't miss it unless you're so drunk you fall on the floor.

now I just have to figure out how you keep drunks from thinking these things are water-fountains.

now I just have to figure out how you keep drunks from thinking these things are water-fountains.

The inability to make water come out might be a clue. And if not they'll just assume its broken.

not bad, but maybe instead it should be some kind of funnel thing that fits completely around the penis, kind of like when you dock a jet plane for mid-air refueling. but not actually touching, just something big enough and high enough so you can't miss it unless you're so drunk you fall on the floor.

now I just have to figure out how you keep drunks from thinking these things are water-fountains.

I think someone invented that and called it... what was it... oh, a urinal!

Nobody likes the idea of drunklets... never mind. My genius is just too great for thy perceptions.

But, wouldnt there need to be a slope towards the drain, so that people aren't walking in puddles of piss. How about the drunklet is a really big drain, on the order of 5ft in diameter. Drunks can stand around and piss into it. There should also be some manner of covering that allows liquids to pass through it but won't allow drunks to fall into it.

I despise urinals. I'm a stall man, and that's the way it's always going to be.


having said I prefer urinals, I have to say that in some neighborhoods or some bars etc., I would never willingly stand with my back to the door, my zipper open and my tool in my hand. that's ever since I was in a place where people were getting mugged while they pissed - you can be pretty vulnerable. in places like that, I either leave again or if I'm desperate I use a stall. at least then, I have a little warning that I'm on the menu.

but otherwise, c'mon, urinals rule.

But, wouldnt there need to be a slope towards the drain, so that people aren't walking in puddles of piss. How about the drunklet is a really big drain, on the order of 5ft in diameter. Drunks can stand around and piss into it. There should also be some manner of covering that allows liquids to pass through it but won't allow drunks to fall into it.

Kind of like regular drains? Or do most of the ones you see not have a cover?

But, wouldnt there need to be a slope towards the drain, so that people aren't walking in puddles of piss.
Well, duh!

How about the drunklet is a really big drain, on the order of 5ft in diameter. Drunks can stand around and piss into it. There should also be some manner of covering that allows liquids to pass through it but won't allow drunks to fall into it.
maybe

Kind of like regular drains? Or do most of the ones you see not have a cover?

Stating the obvious stops people from thinking you've overlooked the obvious.

and breast feeding depends on location...if the woman is in a restauraunt, then yeah, go to the bathroom or car. If you're at the park, then I guess it is more okay.


I know this is OT but really, what's the big deal about women nursing in public? I travel overseas a lot, and I have to tell you people in most other countries than here (USA) don't seem to sweat it. it's natural, it's good for the baby, it's good for the mother, it's good for the family generally, and it's good for society that a woman's breasts can be recognized as nurturing and not just sex objects. we need to stop giggling behind our hands every time we see a bit of skin.

come to think of it, that's not that OT is it? if people weren't so weird about skin, we might not be having this thread.

I know this is OT but really, what's the big deal about women nursing in public? I travel overseas a lot, and I have to tell you people in most other countries than here (USA) don't seem to sweat it. it's natural, it's good for the baby, it's good for the mother, it's good for the family generally, and it's good for society that a woman's breasts can be recognized as nurturing and not just sex objects. we need to stop giggling behind our hands every time we see a bit of skin.

come to think of it, that's not that OT is it? if people weren't so weird about skin, we might not be having this thread.
I explain it a bit more in a later post
Make love, not sense!
But from the stance of a waitperson, it makes foodservice a bit more difficult as other customers get annoyed. Plus the fact that I see it as something that is intimate between mother and child, and not meant to be on display.
Please don't take this as me saying "you should be locked in a closet while you are breastfeeding". I, myself, have no problem with it. I just know from experience that in a public place like that, it just gives a big headache.

I think I stated my thoughts on women using urinals just a few posts ago. But you may have rushed over that. Weren't I say blatantly anti-smiley, I might even use the winking one now. ...

phew! if we could get past the problem of geography, I'd offer to be a donor so you could have an irony transfusion. but I don't even know where I am, so...

but seriously, it isn't my imagination, somehow we really aren't picking up each other's wavelength, sister. is it fixable?

Try it when someone does it with toilets. At a base I was at, there were no stalls and the toilets were so close together that some of the bigger guys' legs would touch if they sat on toilets next to one another. I was using one and my colonel came in and sat on the one next to me and talked to me the whole time while pausing in mid-sentence to push. It's true - some men ARE crazy.

ahh, gotta love that macho bullsh**, don't you? one of the reasons I decided I'd had enough of the military.

one thought: if he's a colonel, he's probably over 40? maybe when you were both finished, you should have just out and out stared him in the eye and said, "sir, I challenge you to meet me at dawn for a pissing contest. you get to choose the wall."

I'm betting that at his age, that ol' stream just wouldn't be up to the job. in the meantime, he might've gotten your point.

Isn't a restaurant a place of eating? How does that make sense?


duh. like, the baby's eating, right?

phew! if we could get past the problem of geography, I'd offer to be a donor so you could have an irony transfusion. but I don't even know where I am, so...

but seriously, it isn't my imagination, somehow we really aren't picking up each other's wavelength, sister. is it fixable?
Did you really manage to disrupt my white text while quoting me and still somehow not notice the former?
I already get irony infusions, I'd rather not toe the line of ODing, as I'd rather not be called 'sister'.
Fixable? Hmm, I tend to just live with the fact that most posters and I aren't.

duh. like, the baby's eating, right?
the way I've had it explained to me (I don't particularly care, I just hate having to take care of it when someone else does) is that it is like taking a baby into a theater. Yes, babies cry. We all know this. And for that very reason, you shouldn't take it to a theater in the first place. If you do, expect the glares.
If you have a baby, feed it at home, and/or don't take it to a restauraunt. Get a babysitter, leave it with grandma. There is no reason you absolutly HAVE to go out to eat, either.

again, this is just how it has been explained to me.

I think someone invented that and called it... what was it... oh, a urinal!


huh? a urinal that's an adjustable hose (like a mid-air refueler) with a funnel on the end, that surrounds the penis up close so a drunk can miss his legs? never seen one, Jocabia.

I explain it a bit more in a later post

but a lott of countries I've been in, nobody gets bothered at all. even a lot of Europeans don't even blink when a woman breast-feeds (they called it "nursing", I think) at the table. and in other countries I don't remember people getting bothered either.

a urinal that's an adjustable hose (like a mid-air refueler) with a funnel on the end, that surrounds the penis up close so a drunk can miss his legs?
If it is small enough to prevent the person from getting it on their legs in case they are too stupid/drunk to prevent that themselves, it'd probably fail the "not touching the tool" requirement you set, quite apart from the problem of such a person probably not aiming it well enough to get it in there, either.

Anything big enough to (not) do those things would basically be a urinal, only the 'adustable' part wouldn't fit. Right?

but a lott of countries I've been in, nobody gets bothered at all. even a lot of Europeans don't even blink when a woman breast-feeds (they called it "nursing", I think) at the table. and in other countries I don't remember people getting bothered either.
America is prude. God forbid our children see breasts...because they clearly have never and will never see them:rolleyes:

Did you really manage to disrupt my white text while quoting me and still somehow not notice the former?
I already get irony infusions, I'd rather not toe the line of ODing, as I'd rather not be called 'sister'.
Fixable? Hmm, I tend to just live with the fact that most posters and I aren't.

I can't say I was sure how to get the white text in the middle of everything else. I'm doing this in between writing up a report for work, and I'm probably not giving this enough time. damned real life!

fair enough, I'm told my irony has rust on it anyway and I'm going to a metallurgist for treatment anyway.

sorry about the "sister" bit. I go back to days and a group when it was common, and sometimes I forget myself.

I guess we'll just stay broken.

Its NASTY. I hardly ever use the bathroom in public. I nevr use it at school, and if in public only if i really, really have to! Then, if I do have to go, i try to find a unisex one, that only one person at a time can be in. Then if that falls, i just wait till no one else is in the bathroom, and go as fast as I can! I dont see how people do it. I feel uncomfatable if someone even sees me walk in a bathroom!

the way I've had it explained to me (I don't particularly care, I just hate having to take care of it when someone else does) is that it is like taking a baby into a theater. Yes, babies cry. We all know this. And for that very reason, you shouldn't take it to a theater in the first place. If you do, expect the glares.
If you have a baby, feed it at home, and/or don't take it to a restauraunt. Get a babysitter, leave it with grandma. There is no reason you absolutly HAVE to go out to eat, either.

again, this is just how it has been explained to me.

harsh, dude. being a mother shouldn't stop a woman from getting out to do something nice. and if her husband wants to take her out and they go as a family, why should the baby stay behind with a baby sitter? that's so 19th century. and BTW, current theory says that best practice means you don't breastfeed on a schedule unless the baby is one of those rare ones that likes a schedule. it's called "feeding on demand" and the baby is healthier physically and emotionally that way. so what happens if the mother is out shopping, the baby is at home with grandma, and the baby gets hungry an hour before mom is due home?

and it's not like a baby crying in a theater. you can't ignore a baby crying in a theater. to see a woman breast-feeding you have to be looking for something to offend you, or you have to be a 9-year old.

go to Germany or France or Scandinavia. look at how they include babies in daily life. breastfeeding in public is no problem once the so-called adults decide to stop having a problem with it.

fair enough, I'm told my irony has rust on it anyway and I'm going to a metallurgist for treatment anyway.
Rust? When you get the treatment, make sure to ask for that anti-rust finish that's available now.

I guess we'll just stay broken.
I'm bent, and sometimes twisted, but surely not broken.

If it is small enough to prevent the person from getting it on their legs in case they are too stupid/drunk to prevent that themselves, it'd probably fail the "not touching the tool" requirement you set, quite apart from the problem of such a person probably not aiming it well enough to get it in there, either.

Anything big enough to (not) do those things would basically be a urinal, only the 'adustable' part wouldn't fit. Right?


you've set me a challenge! if I got drunk often enough to care about this problem, I'd be in the workshop right now designing it, just to show you it can be done. but I agree it would take some work.

you've set me a challenge! if I got drunk often enough to care about this problem, I'd be in the workshop right now designing it, just to show you it can be done. but I agree it would take some work.
Make sure to get both a patent and a picture onto NSG right when you're finished.

I know this is OT but really, what's the big deal about women nursing in public? I travel overseas a lot, and I have to tell you people in most other countries than here (USA) don't seem to sweat it. it's natural, it's good for the baby, it's good for the mother, it's good for the family generally, and it's good for society that a woman's breasts can be recognized as nurturing and not just sex objects. we need to stop giggling behind our hands every time we see a bit of skin.

come to think of it, that's not that OT is it? if people weren't so weird about skin, we might not be having this thread.
I don't know why they freak out, but they do. I used to just whip it out and feed the kid, it wasn't a problem for me, I kept covered up, 90% of the people who saw us thought I was holding a sleeping baby. The 10% who knew better though? They freaked out, like it was indecent or something. I got asked to leave a restraunt once, I said "oh, is it okay if I fix her a bottle?" and they said "sure, we just don't want her drinking breast milk here" and I said "that's illegal." and then added, "honey, let me have the keys so I can go get the pump....do you see a plug in?.....oh I forgot the big blanket, I guess I have to double pump out in the open...." then the manager decided that I could just finish feeding her like I was. :p

Rust? When you get the treatment, make sure to ask for that anti-rust finish that's available now.


I'm bent, and sometimes twisted, but surely not broken.


I wish! I've been going to one of those alternative metallurgists and he says the anti-rust finish contains artificial ingredients, so he won't use it. he claims he's got the extract of bark that's just as good though, and it's all natural, so I guess he'll be using that, if he ever gets the rust off. I have to admit I don't see how chanting "re-e-e-e-e-e-e-e doo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oos" in front of a furnace is supposed to get the rust off.

speak for yourself then. I'm held together with titanium plates and screws.

The 10% who knew better though? They freaked out, like it was indecent or something.
I offer my standard response.

"honey, let me have the keys so I can go get the pump....do you see a plug in?.....oh I forgot the big blanket, I guess I have to double pump out in the open...." then the manager decided that I could just finish feeding her like I was. :p
Huh? Am I ignorant or just drunk?

huh? a urinal that's an adjustable hose (like a mid-air refueler) with a funnel on the end, that surrounds the penis up close so a drunk can miss his legs? never seen one, Jocabia.

Ever seen what a urinal in a port a potty looks like. Except you don't move the tube because, well, who the hell would want to touch it.

Silly me. Dumping in a toilet is wrong. Better to use cars with open moon roofs. After all they don't call it a moon-roof for nothing.
Ozzy osbourne took a dump on a guys car in newcastle when he wouldn't pay black sabbath for a gig... that was long ago...
Anwyays on topic, i dont mind peeing in urinals, once had a competition at the SECC in glasgow of who could pee in the most urinals, so erm lets just say 27 was the winning the number... lots of water.
I dont like the urinals at school though, 3 in the senior toilets, right beside each other, no barriers, nothing... and the toilets for everyone else, a trough!! :mad:

Even if they had 'female urinals' I'd use the damn stall. Voiding your bowels is a private matter. You men are weird:)
I have never used the urinal for voiding my bowels. By God, I hope no people do it.

speak for yourself then. I'm held together with titanium plates and screws.
It's my screws that make me bent.

Ever seen what a urinal in a port a potty looks like. Except you don't move the tube because, well, who the hell would want to touch it.


never used one. sounds a little like what I mean, but mine would be self-cleaning, like those things they have in France and England.

Where is this located?!?
Queenstown, New Zealand apparently.

I think a urinal for females is kind of difficult to engineer...they'd most likely end up sitting anyway. Men can stand while urinating...so it's just convenient to have urinals for that purpose. It's not a man/woman thing. It's a penis/vagina thing. And if you understand where I'm coming from, you'll understand that there is a difference.
Does no-one read thru threads?
Just 4 posts before yours is this link:

http://www.gbhgroup.com.my/saniware/saniware4c.htm

which shows a female urinal.

America is prude. God forbid our children see breasts...because they clearly have never and will never see them:rolleyes:
Kinda ironic innit? We see barely covered titties everywhere (TV, movie, billboard, magazines, adverts etc etc) jiggling up and down, used to entice us into buying god knows what, for humour, for titillation and so on.
But heaven help us if we see them being used for their proper purpose. That's just disgusting.

Does no-one read thru threads?
Just 4 posts before yours is this link:

http://www.gbhgroup.com.my/saniware/saniware4c.htm

which shows a female urinal.
Yep. Saw it before. Just not classy/modern enough for my tastes. I like stainless steel & vitrolite. White Porcelain just doesn't do it for me.

Are men somehow inherently less modest than women? Do you only get to occupy a stall if you really mean business? Frankly, even if I were a man, I wouldn't want to whip it out in plain view (shielded by the narrow urinal wall) to take a leak. And how often is a public bathroom full up anyway, that the issue of space becomes a priority? I mean, some guys say that the urinals make bathroom trips shorter, because you don't have to wait for a stall, and they can fit more urinals in than stalls. But come on. Is that it? So why? Do you LIKE pissing in front of other men? No Fass, you don't get to answer.

Urinals are the most convinient way to compare dick sizes.

I don't like pissing in front of other men... I like humbling them with my monster manmeat.:cool:

Kinda ironic innit? We see barely covered titties everywhere (TV, movie, billboard, magazines, adverts etc etc) jiggling up and down, used to entice us into buying god knows what, for humour, for titillation and so on.
But heaven help us if we see them being used for their proper purpose. That's just disgusting.
it's all in the nipple. You can see the entire breast, but no nipple. Go figure.

it's all in the nipple. You can see the entire breast, but no nipple. Go figure.
yeah, I find it kinda weird and funny that the porno mags have naked women in simulated sexual poistions on the cover with a little black spot over their nipple. It's just ...... odd.
It's ok to show 99% of a woman's breast, as long as it's not the nipple. Why? Is showing the nipple on a magazine cover going to drive men into a sexual frenzy? What gives?

yeah, I fun it kinda weird and funny that the porno mags have naked women in simulated sexual poistions on the cover with a little black spot over their nipple. It's just ...... odd.
It's ok to show 99% of a woman's breast, as long as it's not the nipple. Why? Is showing the nipple on a magazine cover going to drive men into a sexual frenzy? What gives?
I've never been able to figure it out. You can show a bare ass if they are wearing a thong, but without the thong, it is obscene. Genitals, it seems to be no hair showing, and not showing the organs themselves... I really don't get America some times.

yeah, I find it kinda weird and funny that the porno mags have naked women in simulated sexual poistions on the cover with a little black spot over their nipple. It's just ...... odd.
It's ok to show 99% of a woman's breast, as long as it's not the nipple. Why? Is showing the nipple on a magazine cover going to drive men into a sexual frenzy? What gives?
I don't know either, in the strip clubs here the women have to wear those things (can't remember what they are called) over their nipples. I remember guys at work whining about it. I don't think they are allowed to take off their G-string either, so I am not really seeing the point in going to a strip club here (not that I really see the point to going to a strip club anyway, but I am a woman so I think I just don't see the point)

Oh, if only you men knew what women did in the bathrooms...haven't you ever wondered why we always take a friend?
Okay, seriously though, this is a habit that I find really creepy. I'm female, and I am totally not comfortable when some other woman asks me to go potty with her. Maybe it's because I don't really feel like listening to my friends go poo.

Okay, seriously though, this is a habit that I find really creepy. I'm female, and I am totally not comfortable when some other woman asks me to go potty with her. Maybe it's because I don't really feel like listening to my friends go poo.
:p
if a dude asked me to go to the toilet with him i'd be really rather freaked out. that, or assume he has some kind of drug to share or something.

for the OP: i use the stalls anyway - urinals are just strange. there's something wrong with pissing right next to another guy. i mean, hearing someone taking a piss in the stall next to you is bad enough... there' just a matter of privacy (or lack of it) here.

Even if they had 'female urinals' I'd use the damn stall. Voiding your bowels is a private matter. You men are weird:)
LOL! Don't get me started on "pissing contests" then! :p

I don't know why they freak out, but they do. I used to just whip it out and feed the kid, it wasn't a problem for me, I kept covered up, 90% of the people who saw us thought I was holding a sleeping baby. The 10% who knew better though? They freaked out, like it was indecent or something. I got asked to leave a restraunt once, I said "oh, is it okay if I fix her a bottle?" and they said "sure, we just don't want her drinking breast milk here" and I said "that's illegal." and then added, "honey, let me have the keys so I can go get the pump....do you see a plug in?.....oh I forgot the big blanket, I guess I have to double pump out in the open...." then the manager decided that I could just finish feeding her like I was. :p

I don't get it. I think, maybe, some people can't 'turn off' their sex circuitry... so, if they see a breast, it automatically equates to something sexual.

As far as I'm concerned, breastfeeding isn't 'sexy', but it IS really cute (like teddybear or cartoon cute). I guess some people can't justify or recognise a distinction.

And, I don't just mean men.... some women don't appear to be able to tolerate bared breasts either... not because it turns them on (one assumes), but maybe because it makes them aware of their own 'geography'...?

i use the stalls anyway - urinals are just strange. there's something wrong with pissing right next to another guy. i mean, hearing someone taking a piss in the stall next to you is bad enough... there' just a matter of privacy (or lack of it) here.
LOL! It's obvious you've never been in the military. A field latrine is just a ditch, with sometimes a roll of toiletpaper on a forked stick stuck in the ground, if you're lucky. In Winter Operations, it's what is called a "cold pole." That's nothing more than a long pole suspended between two upright forked poles at just below butt-level. Sit on it, dude! ROFL!

LOL! It's obvious you've never been in the military. A field latrine is just a ditch, with sometimes a roll of toiletpaper on a forked stick stuck in the ground, if you're lucky. In Winter Operations, it's what is called a "cold pole." That's nothing more than a long pole suspended between two upright forked poles at just below butt-level. Sit on it, dude! ROFL!
oh you sell the military to me so well... in fact i think i want to go sign up today!! ;) :p

i've been camping for duke of edinburgh award (UK thing, obviously) but we planned our route to give us access to toilets (farm outhouses and the like) :D

Cause it's fucking conveinent. Whip it out, do your thing, put back, leave. Hell, unless your drunk or stupid, you don't even need to wash your hands.
DUDE! You should ALWAYS wash you hands! you've touched yourself and there is bacteria on you that can make other people sick. Plus you need to wash other people's germs off your hands because you touched the flusher handle and possible the door either entering or leaving.
I'm not a hand washing freak but I always wash my hands in public...at home I'm just like what ever...
That's how poeple get sick they don't wash their hands then they got to lunch or pick something out of their mouth and BAM! you've got the flu for 2 weeks.
*edit* I ment that I wash my hands because all the door, knobs, general stuff that I touch everyday. The keyboards in our library are worse than our toilets here!!! Wash your hands to protect yourself(and secondly other people) *end edit*

DUDE! You should ALWAYS wash you hands! you've touched yourself and there is bacteria on you that can make other people sick. Plus you need to wash other people's germs off your hands because you touched the flusher handle and possible the door either entering or leaving.
I'm not a hand washing freak but I always wash my hands in public...at home I'm just like what ever...
That's how poeple get sick they don't wash their hands then they got to lunch or pick something out of their mouth and BAM! you've got the flu for 2 weeks.
actually a penis is cleaner than your face. If you think about it where would it go to get dirty? it's in your pants all day long.....(or should be for most of the day anyway) and my daughter's doctor says urine is sterile, so no germs there.

actually a penis is cleaner than your face. If you think about it where would it go to get dirty? it's in your pants all day long.....(or should be for most of the day anyway) and my daughter's doctor says urine is sterile, so no germs there.

Indeed, especially when you compare it to all the random crap we just lay hands on, without thinking, all day, every day.

At least you know where your own 'bits' have been.

meh, i still always wash.
its not like its difficult or takes long (especially not if you dry your hands on your jeans... probably picking up more dirt and germs than when you started but oh well...)

That's how poeple get sick they don't wash their hands then they got to lunch or pick something out of their mouth and BAM! you've got the flu for 2 weeks.

What makes you believe that flu virii congregate around the genital area?

Indeed, especially when you compare it to all the random crap we just lay hands on, without thinking, all day, every day.

At least you know where your own 'bits' have been.

Which is why it is more important to wash your hands before you use a urinal ;)

meh, i still always wash.
its not like its difficult or takes long (especially not if you dry your hands on your jeans... probably picking up more dirt and germs than when you started but oh well...)
I always wash my hands, but the reason isn't that I might have touched "down there" or whatever. It's because I touch all kinds of yucky crap all day, and I need to wash my hands often. (you can't spend most of your time with children and not wonder what kind of stuff is hanging out on your hands)

What makes you believe that flu virii congregate around the genital area?
Well, who or what doesn't?

meh, i still always wash.
its not like its difficult or takes long (especially not if you dry your hands on your jeans... probably picking up more dirt and germs than when you started but oh well...)

Exactly.... that's kind of the point I was making.

What you have IN your jeans, you can (one assumes) control.

It's the various assorted crap that is outside your jeans, that is more likely to cause you a problem.

I also wash my hands, but, since I work around chemicals all day, I'm MUCH more concerned about washing my hands BEFORE, than I am about washing them after.

[x] I go to the stall anyway. Public pissing is gross!

Never used any of these urinals, and certainly never will. It's just absolutely tasteless! :mad:

I also *always* wash my hands!

I also wash my hands, but, since I work around chemicals all day, I'm MUCH more concerned about washing my hands BEFORE, than I am about washing them after.
HNO3 and the ol' todger don't mix happily :eek:

I also *always* wash my hands!

Same here. I hate going into men's bathrooms and seeing 90% of the people not wash their hands. It's disgusting.

Needless to say, I open the door with my foot. It looks weird, but hey, at least I won't catch a virus by doing that.

Same here. I hate going into men's bathrooms and seeing 90% of the people not wash their hands. It's disgusting.

Needless to say, I open the door with my foot. It looks weird, but hey, at least I won't catch a virus by doing that.
i lived with a guy last year who refused to ever wash his hands even after taking a dump. i smoked the joints he rolled with those foul hands too...
that was disgusting :headbang:
and my other flatmate never washed after having a piss either.

ah good times... i did end up really quite ill at one point :(

HNO3 and the ol' todger don't mix happily :eek:

LOL. Indeed. :D

I was more thinking about Chlorine, Alum, powerful alkalis, and arsenic and cyanide reagents... but nitric acid is no fun either.

Same here. I hate going into men's bathrooms and seeing 90% of the people not wash their hands. It's disgusting.

Needless to say, I open the door with my foot. It looks weird, but hey, at least I won't catch a virus by doing that.

One assumes, then, that you don't ever touch your shoes?

LOL. Indeed. :D

I was more thinking about Chlorine, Alum, powerful alkalis, and arsenic and cyanide reagents... but nitric acid is no fun either.
hehe well i just remember getting a little 10 molar (IIRC) nitric acid into a cut i had on my hand one chemistry lesson. it hurt like fuck :headbang:

i now have an irrational (or actually quite rational) fear of it :p

hehe well i just remember getting a little 10 molar (IIRC) nitric acid into a cut i had on my hand one chemistry lesson. it hurt like fuck :headbang:

i now have an irrational (or actually quite rational) fear of it :p

I had a similar experience with the old 'mouth operated' pipettes... but with Hydrocholric instead of Nitric.

A mouthful of hydrochoric and an ulcer. Yum. I could 'taste' my fillings for weeks, though... so that was quite cool.

I had a similar experience with the old 'mouth operated' pipettes... but with Hydrocholric instead of Nitric.

A mouthful of hydrochoric and an ulcer. Yum. I could 'taste' my fillings for weeks, though... so that was quite cool.
ooooooh thats nasty... :eek:

One assumes, then, that you don't ever touch your shoes?

Only when I put them on and take them off. I only have to tie them once in a blue moon, because I double (and sometimes triple) knot the laces. I loathe tying shoes. A waste of time if there ever was one.

Nice convenient and more private than you believe. The real problem is with the troughs. Those big long things like you see at ballparks. You always feel shit splashing back at you only now you can't even be sure its your own pee. :(

In answer to the first question, it's simply a convenience factor. We men don't do it in front of a mirror; we do it in a urinal. It's hard to see even if you tried. I only recall one time when I saw whether another man was circumcised or not (and that includes the showers, too). It's just not something you look at.

Stalls aren't whooly private; you can still see if you look through the cracks. Of course, you're totally gross if you do.

I think all homes should have urinals. Think about, no piss on the rim, no "he always leaves the toilet seat up" crap and it can clean itself.

Only when I put them on and take them off. I only have to tie them once in a blue moon, because I double (and sometimes triple) knot the laces. I loathe tying shoes. A waste of time if there ever was one.
besides, when you go to a pub and you walk around on their piss-covered floor by the urinals, the last thing you want to do is touch your drenched shoelaces http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-015.gif

I think all homes should have urinals. Think about, no piss on the rim, no "he always leaves the toilet seat up" crap and it can clean itself.

I never leave the seat up. Guys who do are just lazy dicks.

besides, when you go to a pub and you walk around on their piss-covered floor by the urinals, the last thing you want to do is touch your drenched shoelaces http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-015.gif

Ugh. Tell me about it.

I try to avoid using public bathrooms. Even if it causes the pain of holding it in for too long, so be it.

I never leave the seat up. Guys who do are just lazy dicks.
*nods* quite

and this is another good reason why you should wash your hands when you're done...


though i say one should always put the lid down when finished. that way its an equal amount of work whoever goes to the loo - both sexes have to lift something (either other way is unfair in that one sex has to do more work... yeah i've probably thought about this too much... i made a thread alluding this to political standpoints once...)

*nods* quite

and this is another good reason why you should wash your hands when you're done...


though i say one should always put the lid down when finished. that way its an equal amount of work whoever goes to the loo - both sexes have to lift something (either other way is unfair in that one sex has to do more work... yeah i've probably thought about this too much... i made a thread alluding this to political standpoints once...)

Haha. :p

*nods* quite

and this is another good reason why you should wash your hands when you're done...


though i say one should always put the lid down when finished. that way its an equal amount of work whoever goes to the loo - both sexes have to lift something (either other way is unfair in that one sex has to do more work... yeah i've probably thought about this too much... i made a thread alluding this to political standpoints once...)

I believe the 'logic' behind it is that if you include men and women, and you include the main reasons we use the restroom, you are going to come up with four (maybe five) chief reasons for using the facilities.

(Maybe five, because a lot of girls seem to use the facilities for menstrual related activity).

So - guys tend to have one use where they 'sit' and one where they 'stand'.

Girls basically (are likely to) 'sit' for all purposes.

Thus - in three of four cases (or four of five), the seat should be down.

So - it's 'logical' (ergonomically) to leave the seat down when you are down.

Maybe I've spent to many braincells on this...

though i say one should always put the lid down when finished. that way its an equal amount of work whoever goes to the loo ..
Or just leave it up at all times? Fulfills the criteria of equal treatement as well as being lazy-friendly..
*does not practise this anymore, but has been in a family who did*

EDIT:// (after reading the preceding post):

It seems we're talking different things to leave up/put down.. all I was familiar with is the "you lazy men always leave the [insert word for that thing on the very top, that kinda closes the whole thing, if you will] up!" discussion, I have been living with men for nearly all my life and none of them managed to close that, but I never encountered the, umm, well that oval ring thingy to be left up, as you seem to be talking about..

/confusion

oh, on topic, hubby says that there are rules in the men's room, they don't look or talk to eachother. We had a long conversation about public bathrooms one day, he was shocked that ladies talk to eachother, and even ask for TP to be passed under the stall.........he thinks we are uncivilized LOL.I think it's in The Caves Of Steel (Asimov) that R. Daneel Olivaw gets told about the differences...

Sorry, just thought I'd bring a bit of culture into the conversation... ;)

actually a penis is cleaner than your face. If you think about it where would it go to get dirty? it's in your pants all day long.....(or should be for most of the day anyway) and my daughter's doctor says urine is sterile, so no germs there.
It's not necisarilly the 'touching yourself' thing. I really mainly ment that you have to touch other things that other people have touched and that is were the germs come from..THEN you touch yourself. Would you really want bad germs on your penis?

What makes you believe that flu virii congregate around the genital area?
Hello...doors, flusher...did you just ignore that part?

It's not necisarilly the 'touching yourself' thing. I really mainly ment that you have to touch other things that other people have touched and that is were the germs come from..THEN you touch yourself. Would you really want bad germs on your penis?
I don't have one, but I wouldn't want it on my husband's penis. Why would you wash after? why not wash before you touch your penis? (yeah, I know it's none of my business.)

I have a friend that thinks its funny that I wash my hands both before and after I use the bathroom. I had to remind him of the chancre sore that flares up on him from time to time.

And my skin doesnt make and direct contact with any part of a public bathroom-doors, sinks, whatever.
Recently, its become less of an effort to use a public bathroom as so many are moving to motion sensitive flushing, water faucets, even paper towl dispensers and hand driers.

Too many people have bad hygenic habits and the various infections that come with them. I refuse to share.

I have a friend that thinks its funny that I wash my hands both before and after I use the bathroom. I had to remind him of the chancre sore that flares up on him from time to time.

And my skin doesnt make and direct contact with any part of a public bathroom-doors, sinks, whatever.
Recently, its become less of an effort to use a public bathroom as so many are moving to motion sensitive flushing, water faucets, even paper towl dispensers and hand driers.

Too many people have bad hygenic habits and the various infections that come with them. I refuse to share.
yeah, people look at me weird when I get an extra paper towel to turn off the faucet with after I wash my hands, and when I back out the door, I figure I just washed my hands why touch things I know are very dirty? besides I don't often touch my butt so why would it matter to me if I get germs on the outside of the backside of my clothes. LOL

I don't have one, but I wouldn't want it on my husband's penis. Why would you wash after? why not wash before you touch your penis? (yeah, I know it's none of my business.)
I wash both before and after b/c I'm a girl and to get out of the stall I have to touch the handle. PLUS I work with bad chemicals and adhesives and I work with a bunch of guys that never wash their hands. Even after working with plaster and resins then they go eat...YUCK! I try not to touch my face unless I have freshly washed hands either.
Other people's bad hygiene can get me sick if I don't take care to prevent it.
Also I am prone to upper-respritory bacrerial infections so in public I'm very carefull.

I wash both before and after b/c I'm a girl and to get out of the stall I have to touch the handle. PLUS I work with bad chemicals and adhesives and I work with a bunch of guys that never wash their hands. Even after working with plaster and resins then they go eat...YUCK! I try not to touch my face unless I have freshly washed hands either.
Other people's bad hygiene can get me sick if I don't take care to prevent it.
Also I am prone to upper-respritory bacrerial infections so in public I'm very carefull.
yeah. I wash before and after too. (similar reasons) but I try not to ever touch my face. I figure that's the #1 way to get sick and I can't afford to get sick.

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... you just undo the fly and pull the undies below the sack and then release the urine.
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On topic, it really is a matter of convenience and speed. If you'f been to a sport event or concert and seen the line in front of the women's facility, and then seen the same line as you are on your way out of the men's facility, you understand my preference.

On an almost related note, does any man actually utilise the Y-front on their briefs, or the access opening on their boxers, or do we all just pull the elastic down like Avika (and myself)?

As a female, I don't have to use the urinals... but have to figure a way to deal with sitting. The best option is if they have those pre-made seat covers. Second, just toilet paper lining. If I'm just going to be there briefly, I tend to not bother with the tp though, and just hover, using my hands as guards... I can wash those easily. If I'm gonna be a while, I'm pretty obessive about double layering - or sometimes even washing the seat, if it doesn't look clean. Then, I flush with my shoe, and open the door lock with some tp.

I always wash my hands... WITH soap... and in the process, wash the water handle, and still dry it and turn it off with the paper towel. I never use my hands to open the door. If I can't back, I use a paper towel, or my sleeve. Once I stood and watched about fifty people come and go in the bathroom - and only mabe 5 or so washed their hands with soap. And perhaps another ten rinsed without it. But all too many just came and went, touching the door handle... *shudder*

And all that is providing I can't just hold it until I get somewhere less public.

yeah. I wash before and after too. (similar reasons) but I try not to ever touch my face. I figure that's the #1 way to get sick and I can't afford to get sick.
*nods nods*
I was once sick for 2 months b/c a bacterial infection and my tonsils had swolen and nearly closed the back of my throat. They wanted me to swollow a pill that was bigger than the opening in my throat too! I couldn't even breath though my mouth or I'd gag and get sick.
After that I'm REALLY carefull. When my family gets sicks I'm just ''Tough luck. Hope you feel better they next time I see you b/c I'm not going anywhere near you for the next week or so...''
LOL
Then I go on a cleaning/sanitizing frenzy for the entire time their sick. Spray and antibacterial wipes everywhere.
WASH WASH WASH makes Eve a healthy girl. :D

It seems we're talking different things to leave up/put down.. all I was familiar with is the "you lazy men always leave the [insert word for that thing on the very top, that kinda closes the whole thing, if you will] up!" discussion, I have been living with men for nearly all my life and none of them managed to close that, but I never encountered the, umm, well that oval ring thingy to be left up, as you seem to be talking about..
/confusion

Yes, many men (my dad included) tend to leave BOTH the lid and the seat up. That caused me once, as a child, to fall in in the middle of the night. I was wet, terrified, and hysterical when I showed up in their bedroom. He stopped doing it so much.

Women seem to expect the men to leave the seat, but not the lid, down. At least that's what my mom expected.

My husband and I actually have a better solution than either of those... just close the whole thing. All the time. Both of you. And close it, BEFORE you flush, since flushing sprays a fine mist of whatever was in there back out again. (Go look it up - it does. It's not exactly sanitary to flush with it open.) Plus, if we leave it open both our cats drink out of the toilets...

Yes, many men (my dad included) tend to leave BOTH the lid and the seat up. That caused me once, as a child, to fall in in the middle of the night. I was wet, terrified, and hysterical when I showed up in their bedroom. He stopped doing it so much.

Women seem to expect the men to leave the seat, but not the lid, down. At least that's what my mom expected.

My husband and I actually have a better solution than either of those... just close the whole thing. All the time. Both of you. And close it, BEFORE you flush, since flushing sprays a fine mist of whatever was in there back out again. (Go look it up - it does. It's not exactly sanitary to flush with it open.) Plus, if we leave it open both our cats drink out of the toilets...

I agree. I have never had a problem with putting seat and lid down, I tend to do so anyway.

I was in a house with three lads and one girl. She was forever complaining that we did not leave the lid up and the seat down for us, yet reasonably she should have been the one to leave both up for whomever followed.

Hello...doors, flusher...did you just ignore that part?
you indirectly touch about a dozen penises and maybe 9 vaginas in the course of a day.
*And now you know*

but anyway, not washing your hands isn't really a bad thing (unless you're preparing food or something like that). The small amounts of bacteria and viruses can actually help build up resistance to disease. Not to mention you always have stuff on your hands. Ride the subway and see how much you care about a bathroom after that.

Probably re-iterating here-

You're talking to people who, in a pinch, will use a bush. Expelling things is just a manly thing to do, be it spitting, farting or peeing. Given the chance, most will 'sign' snow. There is a kind of contempt for stall users as it either implies that they are insecure dandies, or more accusingly, that they think you are interested in thier junk and need to hide away. Even a secure guy takes that as an insult.

We just don't have a hang up about peeing.

Probably re-iterating here-

You're talking to people who, in a pinch, will use a bush. Expelling things is just a manly thing to do, be it spitting, farting or peeing. Given the chance, most will 'sign' snow. There is a kind of contempt for stall users as it either implies that they are insecure dandies, or more accusingly, that they think you are interested in thier junk and need to hide away. Even a secure guy takes that as an insult.

We just don't have a hang up about peeing.

There is something very competetive about peeing too.

Whenever I piss longer than the person next to me I feel like I've won something. That and being able walk backwards to see how far I can hit the urinal from, the only downside is when you're finishing up you have to hurry back. :D

There is something very competetive about peeing too.

Whenever I piss longer than the person next to me I feel like I've won something. That and being able walk backwards to see how far I can hit the urinal from, the only downside is when you're finishing up you have to hurry back. :D
The term "pissing contest" doesn't come from nowhere...

HNO3 and the ol' todger don't mix happily :eek:

I thought nitric acid was NH3.

they're just so easy to use

Guys bathrooms actually don't fill up very often except at bars and such and then you are usually drunk anyways. I don't actually touch my penis in anyway when I use the Urinal. I simply pull the front of my pants down and it flops over the top then I shake it off and pull my pants back up. (it does break my buttons on my pants sometimes though)

I do actually sometimes get "stage fright" when I use a unrinal with lots of people around and I start thinking about it ever since I was required to do drug tests with fat fucking cops staring at my johnson and reminding me if I didn't go in the next 30 minutes I might as well just go to the courthouse and turn myself in. Talk about pressure. Before that I never had any problems. Fucking government.

Yes, many men (my dad included) tend to leave BOTH the lid and the seat up. That caused me once, as a child, to fall in in the middle of the night. I was wet, terrified, and hysterical when I showed up in their bedroom. He stopped doing it so much.

Women seem to expect the men to leave the seat, but not the lid, down. At least that's what my mom expected.

My husband and I actually have a better solution than either of those... just close the whole thing. All the time. Both of you. And close it, BEFORE you flush, since flushing sprays a fine mist of whatever was in there back out again. (Go look it up - it does. It's not exactly sanitary to flush with it open.) Plus, if we leave it open both our cats drink out of the toilets...

Not so much for a child, but who's really gonna sit somewhere and not even look? You know it's a distinct possibility it's up, check it maybe?

I thought nitric acid was NH3.

HNO3 is nitric acid (Hydrogen+1 ion (H+) + the Nitrate polyatomicion(NO3-1)

I thought nitric acid was NH3.

I thought that was ammonia? Or is that NH4?

Reminds me of the "Seinfeld seating" rule. Guys cannot sit next to each other in a movie theater. There has to be either a girl or an empty seat in between them. Likewise, you cannot use a urinal next to another man. A vacant one has to be between you. The only exceptions are movie theaters when the film just gets out, and sporting events, where they often have troughs and you are too drunk to care (not to mention having sat in the seat too long holding it so you don't miss any action, then finally limping to the stall as quickly as possible so your baldder doesn't rupture, releasing a stream that can strip paint or fight fires- same goes for the movie here- why do we get the extra large coke?!)

it's just easier

Nothing wrong with it at all. Most guys don't care, what's the worry? If someone looks, fine, but if they tell, everyone knows they looked. It's an example of how the universe can sort itself out with comedy.

sounds like a classic case of penis envy:p