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In my opinion it is Boromir.

Would this be moviewise or bookwise?

Cause there is a big difference.

Harry Potter is the best LotR fighter.

I'd say Eowyn. You just can't beat killing a fellbeast and the Witch-King of Angmar in one swipe...

which gothmog do ya mean the orc or the balrog?

if its the orc then i say legolas

They cut out the character of Fuckleslug, Frodo's half-retarded cousin who just runs around punching people in the sack.

In terms of style, efficacy, and morale, he did the most for his side and the worst to the other.

The giant demon, that the old wizard dude got caught with, that couldn't fly due to its wings made of evil.

I'd say Gandalf. Remember he beat a Balrog.

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'Nough said. *nods

I'd say Gandalf. Remember he beat a Balrog.

His wife was out of town, and that's what little dudes do.

I'd say Gandalf. Remember he beat a Balrog.
I've beat a Ballbag too.

Faramir for the win.

I'd say Eowyn. You just can't beat killing a fellbeast and the Witch-King of Angmar in one swipe...

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but remember meriadoc brandybock

I've beat a Ballbag too.

Faramir for the win.

Faramir had stones, but he was kind of inert of a lot of his best scenes.

On the other hand, going to West Gondor High School with the name "Faramir", he probably had many chances to learn how to scrap...

...after thinking over the question, I'm going to have to go with either Prince Imrahil, or the twins...Elladan and Elrohir. :D

...after thinking over the question, I'm going to have to go with either Prince Imrahil, or the twins...Elladan and Elrohir. :D
my Uruk-Hai-Captains will smash you

<----rolls 3 dice

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but remember meriadoc brandybockWell, actually, the lady Eowyn died in battle against my Uruks while defending Edoras just yesterday...:D

Well, actually, the lady Eowyn died in battle against my Uruks while defending Edoras just yesterday...:D

Why not playing a battle against each other ? btw : in 9 of 10 battles Legolas had died first

Why not playing a battle against each other ? btw : in 9 of 10 battles Legolas had died firstIn the Battle for Middle-Earth Campaign games I played, the only one Eowyn outlived Legolas was Helm's Deep, and that was because the foolish elf decided to run into my ambush that I set up and used my Lurtz as bait for...

I would have to go with Dwimmerlaik, The Witchking of Angmar. He defeats Gandalf the White, and no living man could kill him. Eowyn doesn't actually defeat him, it was just the prophecy that allowed any woman who faced him to defeat him. I won't hit girls myself. :p

I don't really know much about LotR, I've only watched the movies. Anyway, I'm voting Gandalf. I mean, he killed that balrog after all.

Ooh, probably the most important question on this foruum.

Hmm... not sure. All the Fellowship were good (ok, excepting the Hobbits) but between them I wouldnt know.

Style wise, Legolas wins hands down. Anyone who can shoot a cave troll in the nose, run up on top of its head and shoot arrows into it, wins. And that's not even mentioning his fighting with the Oliphants.

Effectiveness wise though, I don't think Legolas makes it. I'd have to go with either Gandalf for beating the ancient evil from the deep, Balrog... or more probably, the Ents. I mean, they took an entire army into the forest they controlled, and it was never seen again. How's THAT for efficiency... I don't think all the armies of both sides together could have stood against the Ents.

If we're talking film wise then I'm torn between Gimli and Boromir... in fact any wise they're two of the best (they're just too hardcore for words lol) but overall I'd have to go for... I dunno - Feanor was pretty hardcore, although he was a bit of a bastard. Oooh! Fingolfin, he was a badass too (almost whupping Melkor and all)

Style wise, Legolas wins hands down. Anyone who can shoot a cave troll in the nose, run up on top of its head and shoot arrows into it, wins. And that's not even mentioning his fighting with the Oliphants.

Effectiveness wise though, I don't think Legolas makes it. I'd have to go with either Gandalf for beating the ancient evil from the deep, Balrog... or more probably, the Ents. I mean, they took an entire army into the forest they controlled, and it was never seen again. How's THAT for efficiency... I don't think all the armies of both sides together could have stood against the Ents.

Pfft - Legolas is a big girly poof, mincing about at the back of the battle with his little bow like he does. You want someone like Gimli - tearing into the enemy with relentless fury! Yeah!! Rock oooon! Fear his Dwarven wrath! He's like a miniature Chuck Norris!

its Treebeard for Me or Gimili

I really fell in love with Eowyn, since I have readed the first time her words:
"I am no man!"
This was 1978.....
And in the movie Mirando Otto has played this role incredible, but i do not think, that Eowyn is a good fighter. She simply has had luck, and a hobbit who helped her...

c'mon people, its lurtz!

i think it has to be SAURON

did you see at the beginning of the first movie how he slew bunches of men and elves with a sweep of his hand? he can kill just about anything. too bad he made the mistake of putting too much of himself into the ring, the loss of it is the only thing that did him in.

i think it has to be SAURON

did you see at the beginning of the first movie how he slew bunches of men and elves with a sweep of his hand? he can kill just about anything. too bad he made the mistake of putting too much of himself into the ring, the loss of it is the only thing that did him in.

Good point. I didn't think of that.

i think it has to be SAURON

did you see at the beginning of the first movie how he slew bunches of men and elves with a sweep of his hand? he can kill just about anything. too bad he made the mistake of putting too much of himself into the ring, the loss of it is the only thing that did him in.

Unfortunately, him losing his ring caused the war and therefore, in this timeframe, he is not the greatest warrior.

I go for Beren if we're talking general Tolkein. The guy gets up close to Morgoth AND lives.

Otherwise. Hmm. From what I remember of the book... None of the main characters actually make it to be the best warriors. Gandalf is the best wizard though and if he can be a warrior, I give him that title. Especially for being hundreds (probably thousands) of years old.

I really fell in love with Eowyn, since I have readed the first time her words:
"I am no man!"
This was 1978.....
And in the movie Mirando Otto has played this role incredible, but i do not think, that Eowyn is a good fighter. She simply has had luck, and a hobbit who helped her...

Meh... so I'll delete that pic again, shall I?

I am.

Meh... so I'll delete that pic again, shall I?

Of course not. Just claim that you didn't mean "best" as "most effective".

Beren if one considers Tolkien as a whole, however within the context of Lord of the Rings,the Witch King bya considerable distcance.

I'd say Gandalf. Remember he beat a Balrog.

That's what he told us, more than likely the damned Balrog died from the fall and Gandalf is just telling everyone he killed it.

"I am no man"

I'm sorry but I hated that. I was waiting for the witch king to rip the sword from his face and continue with: "I meant no human. Seesh! Use the context of the word woman." *stab* *stab*

Unfortunately, him losing his ring caused the war and therefore, in this timeframe, he is not the greatest warrior.
oh thats a good point, its hard to fight well when you are reduced to a giant eye wreathed in flame


Otherwise. Hmm. From what I remember of the book... None of the main characters actually make it to be the best warriors. Gandalf is the best wizard though and if he can be a warrior, I give him that title. Especially for being hundreds (probably thousands) of years old.
i think gandalf is about 1500 years old. he showed up sometime after the first big war against sauron.

i think aragorn has the most warrior experience. he is a ranger of the north plus he worked for both rohan and gondor in his younger days. and he has a cool sword.

I'd say Gandalf. Remember he beat a Balrog.

I second.

Unless we're talking about the entire LoTR universe, including the Silmarillion. Then I have to say Fingolfin. Yeah, Beren got closer to Morgoth, but Fingolfin actually fought him.

I'm sorry but I hated that. I was waiting for the witch king to rip the sword from his face and continue with: "I meant no human. Seesh! Use the context of the word woman." *stab* *stab*

Ah... endless discussions. :D
I strongly suspect, however, that Tolkien borrowed heavily from Shakespeare in that scene. If you are familiar with Macbeth, you'll without doubt remember the prophecy that "none of woman born shall harm MacBeth." In battle, Macbeth boasts that he has no reason to fear Macduff, as he cannot be killed by any man born of woman. Macduff declares that he was born by Caesarean section (before his mother's actual delivery)—and was therefore not "of woman born"...
It would seem that Shakespeare did the whole scene a bit cleverer than Tolkien ;)

i think gandalf is about 1500 years old. he showed up sometime after the first big war against sauron

Well the Istari of which Gandalf is one, are Maiar (sp?) spririts, so technically he was around ever since Illuvatar created the world, and is therefore as old as Middle Earth itself. Older in fact. Same goes for Sauron, Manwe, Melkor etc etc.

oh thats a good point, its hard to fight well when you are reduced to a giant eye wreathed in flame


i think gandalf is about 1500 years old. he showed up sometime after the first big war against sauron.

i think aragorn has the most warrior experience. he is a ranger of the north plus he worked for both rohan and gondor in his younger days. and he has a cool sword.

Gandalf is over 7000 years old. And Gandalf has something of an unfair advantage over most of the rest of Middle Earth, what with being a Maia spirit.

If it's jost LotR the Gandalf hands down. All of Tolkien, then Eru.

Ah... endless discussions. :D
I strongly suspect, however, that Tolkien borrowed heavily from Shakespeare in that scene. If you are familiar with Macbeth, you'll without doubt remember the prophecy that "none of woman born shall harm MacBeth." In battle, Macbeth boasts that he has no reason to fear Macduff, as he cannot be killed by any man born of woman. Macduff declares that he was born by Caesarean section (before his mother's actual delivery)—and was therefore not "of woman born"...
It would seem that Shakespeare did the whole scene a bit cleverer than Tolkien ;)

Yeah in LoTR it just seems like a cheap cop out. The fact that no one bothered to fly Frodo to Mt. Doom on an Eagle just completely ruined the movie for me.

Ah... endless discussions. :D
I strongly suspect, however, that Tolkien borrowed heavily from Shakespeare in that scene. If you are familiar with Macbeth, you'll without doubt remember the prophecy that "none of woman born shall harm MacBeth." In battle, Macbeth boasts that he has no reason to fear Macduff, as he cannot be killed by any man born of woman. Macduff declares that he was born by Caesarean section (before his mother's actual delivery)—and was therefore not "of woman born"...
It would seem that Shakespeare did the whole scene a bit cleverer than Tolkien ;)

Wasn't there another scene, possibly from Macbeth, where an army came out of a forest and somebody thought the forest itself was attacking. Tolkien thought the forest should have been attacking, thus the Ents attacked Isengard.

Well the Istari of which Gandalf is one, are Maiar (sp?) spririts, so technically he was around ever since Illuvatar created the world, and is therefore as old as Middle Earth itself. Older in fact. Same goes for Sauron, Manwe, Melkor etc etc.
ya ya thats if you count age by spirit rather than by body

*I* count it by the time spent in middle earth (since if you count it by body, gandalf is the youngest, it seemed to me that he got a new body after he defeated the balrog rather than that the old one got reanimated)

Wasn't there another scene, possibly from Macbeth, where an army came out of a forest and somebody thought the forest itself was attacking. Tolkien thought the forest should have been attacking, thus the Ents attacked Isengard.

Yes, I remember that. Another one of the prophecies in Macbeth, "Macbeth shall never vanquish'd be until Great Birnam wood to high Dunsinane Hill shall come against him"
Macduff's army was using branches and foliage as camouflage as they left the cover of the trees and moved towards the castle. One guard actually reports that the woods are attacking...

He must have really loved that play. I wonder how come there are no witches in Middle Earth...

Yes, I remember that. Another one of the prophecies in Macbeth, "Macbeth shall never vanquish'd be until Great Birnam wood to high Dunsinane Hill shall come against him"

He must have really loved that play. I wonder how come there are no witches in Middle Earth...
No witches, just a Witch King.... ;)

Tolkien was a literature teacher, he liked Shakespeare a good deal. LotR is also based on the Battle of Britain, the end of the Victorian Era, the emergence of modern technology, and a lot of other things he was concerned about at that time.

Well the Istari of which Gandalf is one, are Maiar (sp?) spririts, so technically he was around ever since Illuvatar created the world, and is therefore as old as Middle Earth itself. Older in fact. Same goes for Sauron, Manwe, Melkor etc etc.

Manwe and Melkor are Valar (though Melkor is no longer counted among them). They are more powerful and rule over the Maiar. And (this is really a very small thing) but the Maiar and Valar were created before Middle Earth so they are older than Middle Earth.

Gandalf is over 7000 years old. And Gandalf has something of an unfair advantage over most of the rest of Middle Earth, what with being a Maia spirit.

If it's jost LotR the Gandalf hands down. All of Tolkien, then Eru.

I think this was limited to those peoples that weren't spirits or those Maiar that reduced themselves to the form of Men. If not, then yes: Eru (I personally prefer Illuvatar.)

Yes, I remember that. Another one of the prophecies in Macbeth, "Macbeth shall never vanquish'd be until Great Birnam wood to high Dunsinane Hill shall come against him"
Macduff's army was using branches and foliage as camouflage as they left the cover of the trees and moved towards the castle. One guard actually reports that the woods are attacking...

He must have really loved that play. I wonder how come there are no witches in Middle Earth...

Actually there are.
In Middle-earth there were beings of many races who wielded sorcerous powers. Among the late-come race of Men, those who gave themselves over to sorcerous powers were known as Witches. The most powerful Witches were the Ringwraiths, named Nazgul in the Black Speech.
Of these Nine Witches, one emerged whose power was supreme. For many centuries men spoke fearfully of this Witch-king of Angmar. Later, the same Witch-king arose again in the South, in Minas Morgul. There the Witch-king ruled until the days of the War of the Ring, when he was destroyed, and he and the other Witches vanished from Arda.

Yeah in LoTR it just seems like a cheap cop out. The fact that no one bothered to fly Frodo to Mt. Doom on an Eagle just completely ruined the movie for me.
the eagles are not just dumb birds, they are sentient beings and as such before they ever reached mt doom the eagle would have thrown frodo to the ground and have ripped the ring off of his lifeless hand.

Actually there are.
In Middle-earth there were beings of many races who wielded sorcerous powers. Among the late-come race of Men, those who gave themselves over to sorcerous powers were known as Witches. The most powerful Witches were the Ringwraiths, named Nazgul in the Black Speech.
Of these Nine Witches, one emerged whose power was supreme. For many centuries men spoke fearfully of this Witch-king of Angmar. Later, the same Witch-king arose again in the South, in Minas Morgul. There the Witch-king ruled until the days of the War of the Ring, when he was destroyed, and he and the other Witches vanished from Arda.

To be honest, I find that quite odd. I never understood why Tolkien would use the female form of "witch" instead of "wizard" or "warlock"?

Aragorn, he's a strides and has had to survive for many years by his sword.
You're a good second place Cabra

Manwe and Melkor are Valar (though Melkor is no longer counted among them). They are more powerful and rule over the Maiar. And (this is really a very small thing) but the Maiar and Valar were created before Middle Earth so they are older than Middle Earth.

Yeah... that's what I said... Valar *shifty eyes* :D But yeah the point remains the same - they're all older than Middle Earth itself (which I did actually put in my original post btw - the 'older in fact' part of it :))

To be honest, I find that quite odd. I never understood why Tolkien would use the female form of "witch" instead of "wizard" or "warlock"?

He used it to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys.

Witch has a more negative sound to it than wizard, even though Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic. He didn't even like using the word wizard. He only used it for lack of a better word in English and its etymological connection to the word wise.

Aragorn, he's a strides and has had to survive for many years by his sword.
You're a good second place Cabra

Me???

I never know I had a role in that epic??? :confused:

Yeah... that's what I said... Valar *shifty eyes* :D But yeah the point remains the same - they're all older than Middle Earth itself (which I did actually put in my original post btw - the 'older in fact' part of it :))

Sorry! I sometimes miss things because I get caught up in a flaw (however trivial) and I don't see or hear the rest, even if ther's a correction.

He used it to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys.

Witch has a more negative sound to it than wizard, even though Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic. He didn't even like using the word wizard. He only used it for lack of a better word in English and its etymological connection to the word wise.

Maybe the German translation comes closer to his thoughts in that respect than the original. It's using the word "Hexer". the male form of "Hexe" (witch). Hexer is a word rarely used and with an extremely negative conotation to it... whereas "Zauberer" (wizard or magician, it can mean both) is neutral in that respect.

Me???

I never know I had a role in that epic??? :confused:

Don't ya just hate when someone writes you into an epic and doens't tell you about it. It's just plain rude I say.

the eagles are not just dumb birds, they are sentient beings and as such before they ever reached mt doom the eagle would have thrown frodo to the ground and have ripped the ring off of his lifeless hand.

Cool!

The movie makes a little more sense now.

Maybe the German translation comes closer to his thoughts in that respect than the original. It's using the word "Hexer". the male form of "Hexe" (witch). Hexer is a word rarely used and with an extremely negative conotation to it... whereas "Zauberer" (wizard or magician, it can mean both) is neutral in that respect.

I think I didn't emphasize the fact that he didn't like the idea of magic or sorcery of any type. He was looking for a word that brought images of supernatural wisdom and power from an omnipotent god, not from spells and incantations, though the power of the god could be made manifest in those forms. A wizard fits that idea in the minds of most persons.

Legolas, without a doubt. If this extended back into the Silmarillion, I'd say Ecthelion.

Tom Bombadil!

Dude Legolas has a match beat versing anybody he is swift and valiant hell kick any orcs but

Dude Legolas has a match beat versing anybody he is swift and valiant hell kick any orcs but

Then how come he lost the game at Helm's Deep? :D

p.s. Dammit! Just lost the game!:headbang:

Tom Bombadil!

Seriously. Get out. You know where the door is. Don't even bother to finish your drink, just leave :p

I take it we're talking about the films not the books since in the books there is no character called Lurtz (the leader of the Uruk Hai is named Ugluk) and Gothmog is actually lord of the Balrog's and was slain in the Silmarillion and did not feature in the LOTR.

(Had to be said)

Either way I think it has to be Aragorn.

I take it we're talking about the films not the books since in the books there is no character called Lurtz (the leader of the Uruk Hai is named Ugluk) and Gothmog is actually lord of the Balrog's and was slain in the Silmarillion and did not feature in the LOTR.
If my memory is correct, the mighty Ecthelion slew Gothmog.



Either way I think it has to be Aragorn.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. :p

Though everyone knows Legolas owns everyone. ;)

My vote goes for Legolas, as he doesn't even need to get close to his enemies to beat them. Ah, long range weapons, great advantage of the intelligent elves.

My vote goes for Legolas, as he doesn't even need to get close to his enemies to beat them. Ah, long range weapons, great advantage of the intelligent elves.
Not to mention they were excellent swordfighters as well. They spent their entire lifetimes honing their skills.

Eärendil for sure, if we go back to Simarillion

In the LotR trilogy it gotta be Ghân-buri-Ghân.

In the LotR trilogy it gotta be Ghân-buri-Ghân.

I was SO pissed that they didn't include him in the film. :p