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You forgot the Neo-Communist Soviet Intelligence Forces.

*Hands on hips*

Darling, Communist conspiracies are so eighties...

Yay! Conspiracy theory time! So, is Bush a puppet of:

A: The Jews
B: The Illuminati
C: PNAC
D: Generic Neo-Conservatives
E: Space Lizards dressed as Queen Elizabeth and Bush himself
F: All of the above!

First to buzz in wins!
You also forgot "God" (I trust that God speaks through me, without that, I couldn't do my job"), but I guess that may be the same as E.

i have proof its not bin laden because they killed him! Watch!

http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/just_plain_stupid/Bin_Laden_Announcement/

Lol. I still love this immature shit.

read this whole thread and glad I did, because laffo

Some of the sources used are pretty sketch

What’s interesting is that the creators of this film are not afraid of this Popular Mechanicals article. They show it at the end. Contrast this with the government’s fear of the people seeing a few tapes.

A directorial decision that I'm not sure I understand. The article refutes a majority of their claims -- this is unquestionable -- and yet they show it anyway. Personally, I put it down to the creators just not being very smart. Their tenuous understanding of physics backs me up on that, as does the fact that they've apparently been persuaded by quotes from people who wouldn't know a missile from a Mercedes.

A directorial decision that I'm not sure I understand. The article refutes a majority of their claims -- this is unquestionable -- and yet they show it anyway. Personally, I put it down to the creators just not being very smart. Their tenuous understanding of physics backs me up on that.

Which has been used in this thread but alas, those that agree with this conspiracy either has ignored it or posted more unadultered bs that has been debunked even more.

So that plane flying into the corner of the tower 'knocked of the insulation' from the thick steel support columns all the way round enabling those briefly burning fires to melt/weaken the steel in under 1 hour causing them to remain molten for over 3 weeks after- right. Next you'll be saying that diesel fuel fires collapsed WTC7!

What do you mean by 'my forum'? Ooops man- if you own this forum I apologise and will post government-friendly opinions from now on.
You're either very dumb or just a very persistent and annoying troll. My personal instincts say both. You don't seem to have the slightest clue what you're talking about, but you simply won't shut up.

The WTC towers' outer walls were the main support structures. Under each floor were steel supports running from wall to wall to hold up the weight of the floor above and tie the walls together. They were coated with insulation. Impact knocked the insulation off. The fire didn't melt the steel, it didn't have to. It annealed it.

ALL OF THIS WAS COVERED IN THE THREAD I LINKED TO. THE THREAD YOU REFUSE TO READ. THE THREAD THAT PROVES EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH IS WRONG AND THAT YOU'RE JUST A BULLSHIT SALESMAN WITH A MOUTHFULL, OR PERHAPS A KEYBOARDFULL, OF SAMPLES.

You're either very dumb or just a very persistent and annoying troll. My personal instincts say both. You don't seem to have the slightest clue what you're talking about, but you simply won't shut up.

The WTC towers' outer walls were the main support structures. Under each floor were steel supports running from wall to wall to hold up the weight of the floor above and tie the walls together. They were coated with insulation. Impact knocked the insulation off. The fire didn't melt the steel, it didn't have to. It annealed it.

ALL OF THIS WAS COVERED IN THE THREAD I LINKED TO. THE THREAD YOU REFUSE TO READ. THE THREAD THAT PROVES EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH IS WRONG AND THAT YOU'RE JUST A BULLSHIT SALESMAN WITH A MOUTHFULL, OR PERHAPS A KEYBOARDFULL, OF SAMPLES.

Agreed - perhaps you could put the link in your next post, or edit it into this one, to make it foolproof.

Agreed - perhaps you could put the link in your next post, or edit it into this one, to make it foolproof.
Here you go.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467914&highlight=9%2F11+conspiracy+theory

I figured out what destroyed the towers.

Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked them!!! OK, I know that's a disgusting joke, but it's got more credibility than this conspiracy shit.

I figured out what destroyed the towers.

Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked them!!! OK, I know that's a disgusting joke, but it's got more credibility than this conspiracy shit.
I think it's because Jeezus removed his Veil Of Protection (tm) from New York due to the fact that they have pagans and feminists and gays there.

OK you win- Osama Bin Laden did it- I've just found a link to his confession tape:

Bin Laden Confesses to Planning 9/11 (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html)

OK you win- Osama Bin Laden did it- I've just found a link to his confession tape:

Bin Laden Confesses to Planning 9/11 (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html)

So, you ignore the large amounts of evidence shown to you, and even more linked in the above posts that continually refute your points? And instead simply return to this fake videotape nonsense?

OK you win- Osama Bin Laden did it- I've just found a link to his confession tape:

Bin Laden Confesses to Planning 9/11 (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html)
Have you ever taken an IQ test? How low did you score? Didn't I already prove on this thread that Bin Laden mentioned his involvement in the 9/11 attacks on several tapes? Didn't I link to a CBC news story on it?

There's no more point in arguing with you. You're too pig-headed to ever see how stupid, wrong, and dishonest your arguments are. I'll continue to post on this thread though just so that you don't end up fooling people who are genuinely looking for answers.

As for you, you're a waste. You simply refuse to see that you're wrong. There is none so blind as he who refuses to see. People like you almost make me want to give up on free speech. Intentionally posting lies is an abuse of the constitutional rights we enjoy. If you're so convinced that this nation orchestrated the slaughter of 3000 of it's own citizens then I urge you to travel to Pakistan and join a Jihadist organization. Put your money where your mouth is. Lay your life on the line for your belief. I hope one day to hear that you're in a EDITED TO AVOID BREAKING FORUM RULES.

OK you win- Osama Bin Laden did it- I've just found a link to his confession tape:

Bin Laden Confesses to Planning 9/11 (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html)
Your arguments and ignorance of physics and simple facts makes you even worse than the anti-evolution crowd.

Your arguments and ignorance of physics and simple facts makes you even worse than the anti-evolution crowd.
You know, I was thinking the same thing. It's exactly like trying to debate an ignorant creationist. He keeps throwing out discredited "evidence" and refuses to acknowledge the facts that the other side presents.

Poppa Bush was meeting with a Bin Laden and the Carlylse Group on the exact morning of 911 when this very convienently timed terrorist attack was allowed to happen--shortly thereafter while Americans were dying horribly the Bushs ran to secure the safety of the terrorists family and had them whisked out of the country at a time when every other flight was grounded

Poppa Bush was meeting with a Bin Laden and the Carlylse Group when this very convienently timed terrorist attack was allowed to happen--shortly thereafter while Americans were dying horribly the Bushs ran to secure the safety of the terrorists family and had them whisked out of the country at a time when every other flight was grounded
Bush was reading My Pet Goat in a school when it happened.

Bush was reading My Pet Goat in a school when it happened.
Goats are a symbolism of Satanism--tellingly Bush was holding the Book UPSIDE DOWN

One of the guys who started the rumour about a military jet or missile striking a Tower, Marc Bimbach a FOX employee, later admitted to not seeing the actual collision but only hearing it. The fact is that if something controversial was claimed by anyone working for FOX it’s best just to dismiss it out of hand and start looking for a credible news source (remember the FOX “documentary” about the Moon Landings being faked).

Claims that jet fuel not burning hot enough to melt steel, it burns at between 800 and 1500F (steel melts at 2750) doesn’t take into account that that much twisted, warped steel is a serious problem for holding up that kind of weight. Combined with the combustibles in the actual towers, the fire could have easily reached 1832F (according to an Engineering Professor from California). The Towers were built to withstand plane crashes, but they didn’t foresee someone crashing into them full of fuel, right after take off. People talk about those fires using up all material and not being of consequence. There was a fifth floor fire that burned for 7 hours (believed to be fueled by diesel tanks used to power heating). There was also no firefighting at all in WTC 7.

Yes, a lot of the same people connected with the current US regime helped arm the Islamic militants against the Soviets in Afghanistan and the Bush family has been linked at the hip with the Bin Laden family since the 60’s. Yes there were many signs of imminent attack by terrorists that were ignored, even though the outgoing administration of Clinton told Bush that they should make this terrorist group their number one agenda instead of going on extended holidays at the old ranch. Incompetence helped make this happen, but I don’t believe there was a plan to attack their own country by the US government. 9-11 was a huge event in America and it’s done a lot to shape the current culture of paranoia. The existence of the Internet has done a lot to help spread wild rumours and conspiracy theories.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

I don’t believe that the Moon Landing was a hoax and I can’t believe that anyone would believe that the Lock Ness Monster and Lake Ogopogo Monster were anything but a hoax (both discovered within a couple of years by the same obscure newpaper as a publicity stunt). I don’t believe that Alien tourists are visiting us. Bigfoot was also a complete hoax as was the Yeti. I do think that there is something to the Kennedy assassinations though. The bad smell around it is just too much to escape that something sneaky went on there involved the CIA and the Mafia.

The Bruce

One of the guys who started the rumour about a military jet or missile striking a Tower, Marc Bimbach a FOX employee, later admitted to not seeing the actual collision but only hearing it. The fact is that if something controversial was claimed by anyone working for FOX it’s best just to dismiss it out of hand and start looking for a credible news source (remember the FOX “documentary” about the Moon Landings being faked).

Are you talking about Fox News or the network Fox itself? If your talking about Fox News I would love to know when this documentary aired because I do watch Fox News. Also I would love to know the source for your information regarding that this rumor was started by a Fox employee.

Claims that jet fuel not burning hot enough to melt steel, it burns at between 800 and 1500F (steel melts at 2750) doesn’t take into account that that much twisted, warped steel is a serious problem for holding up that kind of weight. Combined with the combustibles in the actual towers, the fire could have easily reached 1832F (according to an Engineering Professor from California). The Towers were built to withstand plane crashes, but they didn’t foresee someone crashing into them full of fuel, right after take off. People talk about those fires using up all material and not being of consequence. There was a fifth floor fire that burned for 7 hours (believed to be fueled by diesel tanks used to power heating). There was also no firefighting at all in WTC 7.

We already destroyed the conspiracy using facts. Please read through the thread.

Yes, a lot of the same people connected with the current US regime helped arm the Islamic militants against the Soviets in Afghanistan and the Bush family has been linked at the hip with the Bin Laden family since the 60’s. Yes there were many signs of imminent attack by terrorists that were ignored, even though the outgoing administration of Clinton told Bush that they should make this terrorist group their number one agenda instead of going on extended holidays at the old ranch. Incompetence helped make this happen, but I don’t believe there was a plan to attack their own country by the US government. 9-11 was a huge event in America and it’s done a lot to shape the current culture of paranoia. The existence of the Internet has done a lot to help spread wild rumours and conspiracy theories.

And those signs were ignore by the *gasp* CLINTON administration who did nothing at all to get Bin Laden.

Have you ever taken an IQ test? How low did you score? Didn't I already prove on this thread that Bin Laden mentioned his involvement in the 9/11 attacks on several tapes? Didn't I link to a CBC news story on it?

There's no more point in arguing with you. You're too pig-headed to ever see how stupid, wrong, and dishonest your arguments are. I'll continue to post on this thread though just so that you don't end up fooling people who are genuinely looking for answers.

As for you, you're a waste. You simply refuse to see that you're wrong. There is none so blind as he who refuses to see. People like you almost make me want to give up on free speech. Intentionally posting lies is an abuse of the constitutional rights we enjoy. If you're so convinced that this nation orchestrated the slaughter of 3000 of it's own citizens then I urge you to travel to Pakistan and join a Jihadist organization. Put your money where your mouth is. Lay your life on the line for your belief. I hope one day to hear that you're in a EDITED TO AVOID BREAKING FORUM RULES.

PLEASE answer this honestly and without the usual diversionary insults and derision:

Forget other tapes and give your honest opinion about this one (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html)

Casting other tapes aside- Do you believe that this 'smoking gun' Bin Laden confession tape is genuinely Bin Laden confessing? YES or NO only.

Whatever you think about everything else- no problem. You never seem to conceed on anything- surely we can agree on this?

PLEASE answer this honestly and without the usual diversionary insults and derision:

Forget other tapes and give your honest opinion about this one (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html)

Casting other tapes aside- Do you believe that this 'smoking gun' Bin Laden confession tape is genuinely Bin Laden confessing? YES or NO only.

Whatever you think about everything else- no problem. You never seem to conceed on anything- surely we can agree on this?
yes--we can ALL agree that Osama and Bush allied in a Black-ops action against America attacked us on 911 to advance a parallel agenda

Are you talking about Fox News or the network Fox itself? If your talking about Fox News I would love to know when this documentary aired because I do watch Fox News. Also I would love to know the source for your information regarding that this rumor was started by a Fox employee.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=1&c=y

This was the link I provided in my post that was the source of the FOX employee who started that rumour. If you had gone to the link and read the article you wouldn't actually be asking that question.

The Fake Moon Landings was on the FOX network and presented as a news documentary. I pity anyone who gets their news from FOX in any case. It's like going online with AOL.

Foxnews should be sued for even calling the crap they report as "news"--every station has its bias but Fox"news" goes waaay beyond bias well into the realm of being outright propaganda--theyve even been known to make storys up to advance their agenda

Foxnews should be sued for even calling the crap they report as "news"--every station has its bias but Fox"news" goes waaay beyond bias well into the realm of being outright propaganda--theyve even been known to make storys up to advance their agenda
It's not necissarily that, they should be sued over the blatantly fraudulent use of their slogan "fair and balanced." I don't care if they present news through a thick red colored lense, as long as their slogan is more along the lines of "Instilling fear and right-wing propaganda since 1996."

It's not necissarily that, they should be sued over the blatantly fraudulent use of their slogan "fair and balanced." I don't care if they present news through a thick red colored lense, as long as their slogan is more along the lines of "Instilling fear and right-wing propaganda since 1996."
well in a sense its only fitting that since all their so-called "news' is lies that their slogan "fair and balanced" would be a lie too;)

PLEASE answer this honestly and without the usual diversionary insults and derision:

Forget other tapes and give your honest opinion about this one (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html)

Casting other tapes aside- Do you believe that this 'smoking gun' Bin Laden confession tape is genuinely Bin Laden confessing? YES or NO only.

Whatever you think about everything else- no problem. You never seem to conceed on anything- surely we can agree on this?

Ok lets assume that is not bin laden. At worst we just faked a video to get support from the Islamic world. Did the neoconns blow up th USS Cole the embassies and the WTC in '93? You can find 'proof' about anything. I've read stuff about the moon landings that had they been about JFK I would have called it proof.The moon landings were obviously real and it made me look and conspircacies differently. I've watched the entrie video that started this thread and I've found enough holes in the main theories to discredit everything. If they're going to use planes on the WTC why use a missle on the pentagon or even take over a plane you're planning to say crashed?

I think that in the case of 9-11 all the government conspiracies started after the attacks with some out of this world ass covering by the people whose incompetence helped make it easier for the terrorists. That and redirecting everyone’s attention to Iraq for some fun and profit.

Let me just ask one question.

Was there molten or melted steel found at the WTC site?

If no, then the whole jet fuel/temperature of steel melting question is moot.

But if yes, one wonders how.

Foxnews should be sued for even calling the crap they report as "news"--every station has its bias but Fox"news" goes waaay beyond bias well into the realm of being outright propaganda--theyve even been known to make storys up to advance their agenda

You're right about bias. Did you know that NBC is owned by General Electric- The biggest supplier of military hardware to the USA?

Let me just ask one question.

Was there molten or melted steel found at the WTC site?

If no, then the whole jet fuel/temperature of steel melting question is moot.

But if yes, one wonders how.

One...it bends, that's how it broke and fell apart. Besides steel cools and solidifies.

This is a very important link to consider:

Letter written that raises concerns relating to the official theory that fires melted/weakened the steel supports in Towers 1,2 and WTC7 leading to the 3 vertical collapses (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/121104easilywithstood.htm)

Let me just ask one question.

Was there molten or melted steel found at the WTC site?

If no, then the whole jet fuel/temperature of steel melting question is moot.

But if yes, one wonders how.

Are you suggesting that if a plane full of jet fuel that rammed into a building, the steel would be at peak and flawless strength?

I've watched the entrie video that started this thread and I've found enough holes in the main theories to discredit everything. If they're going to use planes on the WTC why use a missle on the pentagon or even take over a plane you're planning to say crashed?

Many 9/11 conspiracy theorists have themselves attempted to debunk claims to the effect that winged missiles, "pod planes", and the like were in any capacity employed. On the second point, others have speculated that actuality deviated from supposed initial intent.

PLEASE answer this honestly and without the usual diversionary insults and derision:

Forget other tapes and give your honest opinion about this one (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html)

Casting other tapes aside- Do you believe that this 'smoking gun' Bin Laden confession tape is genuinely Bin Laden confessing? YES or NO only.

Whatever you think about everything else- no problem. You never seem to conceed on anything- surely we can agree on this?

If you are talking about the tape in which bin Ladin said he did it, yes I do believe it.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=1&c=y

This was the link I provided in my post that was the source of the FOX employee who started that rumour. If you had gone to the link and read the article you wouldn't actually be asking that question.

Ok, any other sources besides this one?

The Fake Moon Landings was on the FOX network and presented as a news documentary. I pity anyone who gets their news from FOX in any case. It's like going online with AOL.

:rolleyes:

Foxnews should be sued for even calling the crap they report as "news"--every station has its bias but Fox"news" goes waaay beyond bias well into the realm of being outright propaganda--theyve even been known to make storys up to advance their agenda

And the New York Times should be tried for Treason.

I think that in the case of 9-11 all the government conspiracies started after the attacks with some out of this world ass covering by the people whose incompetence helped make it easier for the terrorists. That and redirecting everyone’s attention to Iraq for some fun and profit.

Fun and profit my ass. As to your first sentence:

1) Its a run on.

2) This was planned under the Clinton Administration. A fact that seems to have escaped everyone's attention in this thread.

Always using that Popular Mechanics article. Read this:

Propogandular Mechanics Article revelations (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=66176)

Always using that Popular Mechanics article. Read this:

Propogandular Mechanics Article revelations (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=66176)

I don't trust any website with the words editorial, opinions, OR RUMOR in the link name.

Always using that Popular Mechanics article. Read this:

Propogandular Mechanics Article revelations (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=66176)

Christ. More conspiracy webpages. What's next, pages on the media being controlled by the jews?

EDIT: Not only is that page filled with idiotic conspiracy slogans and links, the article itself is also badly written, doesn't mention the Popular Mechanics article that much, and makes a fair few assertationsa that are not backed up with evidence.

And the New York Times should be tried for Treason.
And you should devote more to this thesis than a throwaway line in a contentious thread on a Sunday morning.

But you won't.

And you should devote more to this thesis than a throwaway line in a contentious thread on a Sunday morning.

But you won't.

Sorry but lines like that deserve the lines that they get.

If you are talking about the tape in which bin Ladin said he did it, yes I do believe it.


Cornelius- you say that you believe that this guy in the 'smoking gun video' is actually Bin Laden, despite the guy in the tape looking nothing like him and also being right-handed! If you maintain this ridiculous viewpoint then you are either a liar or a complete muppet. In fact you have had nothing constructive to add to this entire thread- even to the point of scorning and disregarding source material that you haven't even looked at. Your attempts at mis-direction are nothing short of pathetic and you are very dis-courteous character. Go away and stain a different thread if you would be so kind, thankyou.

Cornelius- you say that you believe that this guy in the 'smoking gun video' is actually Bin Laden, despite the guy in the tape looking nothing like him and also being right-handed!
He's not supposed to be bin Laden.
That "Osama E" here isn't bin Laden because he's not supposed to be Osama
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

If you look closer, you'll see two people that look like bin Laden. One is bin Laden, the other is not, or the "Osama E."

One...it bends, that's how it broke and fell apart. Besides steel cools and solidifies.

That doesn't answer the question.

Are you suggesting that if a plane full of jet fuel that rammed into a building, the steel would be at peak and flawless strength

No, and that doesn't answer the question.

Here, I'll repeat it.

Was there molten or melted steel found at the WTC site?

That doesn't answer the question.

Yes it does....you won't find melting steel because when steel gets hot it bends, before it ever liquidifies.

And the New York Times should be tried for Treason.
But they already apologized for carrying Bushs Iraqi war lies

But they already apologized for carrying Bushs Iraqi war lies

They can't be tried for treason, they were a messenger, they might have been tried for treason if they were against it!

Fun and profit my ass. As to your first sentence:

1) Its a run on.

2) This was planned under the Clinton Administration. A fact that seems to have escaped everyone's attention in this thread.
2).True--Bush was trying to convince Clinton to unjustly invade Iraq as far back as 1998 so I guess planning this attack was Bushs Plan B

Yes it does....you won't find melting steel because when steel gets hot it bends, before it ever liquidifies.

No it DOESNT. I'm asking IF anyone DID find, or report finding, molten or melted steel at the site. I'm not asking a theoretical.

I'm not asking for your prediction about whether anyone would find it. I'm asking if anyone DID. Do you see the difference?

It's a simple yes or no question, really - though I'd prefer a yes or no with evidence that shows either way.

They can't be tried for treason, they were a messenger, they might have been tried for treason if they were against it!
but theyre supposed to be against it--Teddy Roosevelt said that anyone who never questions the President during a time of war is guilty of Treason

Cornelius- you say that you believe that this guy in the 'smoking gun video' is actually Bin Laden, despite the guy in the tape looking nothing like him and also being right-handed! If you maintain this ridiculous viewpoint then you are either a liar or a complete muppet. In fact you have had nothing constructive to add to this entire thread- even to the point of scorning and disregarding source material that you haven't even looked at. Your attempts at mis-direction are nothing short of pathetic and you are very dis-courteous character. Go away and stain a different thread if you would be so kind, thankyou.

Nice insult. Unfortunately, I've been following this affair since 930 AM ET on September 11, 2001. I know that Osama Bin Ladin was behind the attacks and I knew we were going after Afghanistan. I know that Bin Laden was behind the attacks. I know this because of all the evidence.

Your problems in not understanding is not my problem. I cannot believe a person with your intelligence (or lack thereof) has a problem in understanding what those of us who have utterly destroyed this conspiracy with facts.

2).True--Bush was trying to convince Clinton to unjustly invade Iraq as far back as 1998 so I guess planning this attack was Bushs Plan B

You actually believe this conspiracy?

No it DOESNT. I'm asking IF anyone DID find, or report finding, molten or melted steel at the site. I'm not asking a theoretical.

I'm not asking for your prediction about whether anyone would find it. I'm asking if anyone DID. Do you see the difference?

It's a simple yes or no question, really - though I'd prefer a yes or no with evidence that shows either way.

Yes....they would find the molten steel if they could get to it. Though it would be impossible to find as steel bends, and twists in heat. Though naturally it would be nearly impossible to find otherwise.

History Channel special is my source for it.

Romulus Os - That is an opinion not a law.

You actually believe this conspiracy?
with all my heart--The Bush crime syndicate is a focus of evil in the world todayh. Bush is the Whore of Babylon (AKA Iraq) who will destroy our Country if Good people dont resist him--if you looked on Bushs body or under his hair you will find proof of this

Yes....

So, who reported finding such melted steel? Where, when? Any hard data?

with all my heart--The Bush crime syndicate is a focus of evil in the world todayh. Bush is the Whore of Babylon (AKA Iraq) who will destroy our Country if Good people dont resist him--if you looked on Bushs body or under his hair you will find proof of this

:rolleyes:

Yes it does....you won't find melting steel because when steel gets hot it bends, before it ever liquidifies.

Here SB allow me to translate!

WAS MOLTEN STEEL FOUND AT GROUND ZERO IN THE WEEKS AFTER THE COLLAPSES? YES!!

HOW DID IT BECOME MOLTEN?

Here SB allow me to translate!

WAS MOLTEN STEEL FOUND AT GROUND ZERO IN THE WEEKS AFTER THE COLLAPSES? YES!!

HOW DID IT BECOME MOLTEN?

It has been explained in this thread.

Here SB allow me to translate!

WAS MOLTEN STEEL FOUND AT GROUND ZERO IN THE WEEKS AFTER THE COLLAPSES? YES!!

Oh? Okay, so who found it, where, when exactly? Source?

:rolleyes:
O ye of little faith

O ye of little faith

eh? I have a lot of faith. Faith in God.

2).True--Bush was trying to convince Clinton to unjustly invade Iraq as far back as 1998 so I guess planning this attack was Bushs Plan B

Letter to Clinton 1998 by PNAC (http://www.theindyvoice.com/index.blog?entry_id=417960)

One of the men that signed this letter is R. James Woolsey (former director of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency).

Would it surprise readers to discover that the same man is Vice President at Booz Allen & Hamilton, Inc. (http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/20_9/special-report/26107-10.html) for Global Strategic Security, a company which boasts 9th place in the Top 100 Federal Prime Contractors list 2005! (http://www.washingtontechnology.com/top-100/2005/9.html)

PNAC's Aims and Objectives and list of members (dated 1997)! Recognise any names? (http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm)

These folken want to rule the world like a highly organised bunch of Lex Luthors! A New World Order- amazing how history repeats itself!

eh? I have a lot of faith. Faith in God.
lol

Letter to Clinton 1998 by PNAC (http://www.theindyvoice.com/index.blog?entry_id=417960)

PNAC's Aims and objectives and list of members! Recognise any names?1997 (http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm)

These folken want to rule the world like a highly organised bunch of Lex Luthors! A New World Order- amazing how history repeats itself!
Everything sure fits, don't it? All they needed was a spark so their globalization dreams and profit would become real. Does that mean it absolutely has to be true? Of course not. Perhaps everything just worked out like that? Besides, if a pilot in a military plane shot the pentagon with a missile, where is he, who is he? Where are the people that were supposed to be on that plane? Does the government have them locked up, or did they execute them? I don't think even Karl Rove would be that cold blooded. And if someone did plant bombs in the WTC, who were they, when and where were the bombs planted, what sort of explosives did they use? The major facts can fit, but once you get to the little details, it begins to break down.

And if someone did plant bombs in the WTC, who were they, when and where were the bombs planted, what sort of explosives did they use?

The fact is that terrorists tried to plant bombs in the WTC previously. So it's not like teh evil US government/CIA/NWO/transdimensional reptilian overlords are the only ones capable of using bombs.

All I'm looking for is a reliable source about someone claiming to find melted steel at the WTC. A lot of the conspiracy arguments rely on the temperature required to melt, not warp or break, but melt steel.

Everything sure fits, don't it? All they needed was a spark so their globalization dreams and profit would become real. Does that mean it absolutely has to be true? Of course not. Perhaps everything just worked out like that? Besides, if a pilot in a military plane shot the pentagon with a missile, where is he, who is he? Where are the people that were supposed to be on that plane? Does the government have them locked up, or did they execute them? I don't think even Karl Rove would be that cold blooded. And if someone did plant bombs in the WTC, who were they, when and where were the bombs planted, what sort of explosives did they use? The major facts can fit, but once you get to the little details, it begins to break down.

And the bolded part is why this conspiracy theory has been debunked more times than I can count on both my fingers and toes.

Also the bolded part is a death nill to ANY conspiracy theory.

Follow the money--thats all the proof and evidence anyone with eyes to see need

The fact is that terrorists tried to plant bombs in the WTC previously.

It was a carbomb.

Osama was trained by the CIA

The fact is that terrorists tried to plant bombs in the WTC previously. So it's not like teh evil US government/CIA/NWO/transdimensional reptilian overlords are the only ones capable of using bombs.

All I'm looking for is a reliable source about someone claiming to find melted steel at the WTC. A lot of the conspiracy arguments rely on the temperature required to melt, not warp or break, but melt steel.
Very true. But the planes hit relatively high up on the tower, so the steel would have to have become a lot weaker (thus hotter) than if it had been lower, but I'm too lazy to calculate all the physics right now.

Follow the money--thats all the proof and evidence anyone with eyes to see need

You know, you keep making these pithy little comments, but give absolutely no evidence to back them up with.

Osama was trained by the CIA

Not 100% accurate actually Romulus.

And the bolded part is why this conspiracy theory has been debunked more times than I can count on both my fingers and toes.

Also the bolded part is a death nill to ANY conspiracy theory.
Eh, sometimes it could support conspiracy theories, as in the case of JFK's assassination. America's best snipers have all agreed that they could not take three shots as accurate as Oswald was supposed to have taken in only seven seconds, but in this case, the fine details begin to give ruin to the theory.

You know, you keep making these pithy little comments, but give absolutely no evidence to back them up with.
deep down you Know the Truth--Either you Believe or you Dont--no amount of Evidence provided will change that

deep down you Know the Truth--Either you Believe or you Dont--no amount of Evidence provided will change that

Actually, I think it would. If you had firm evidence that such a conspiracy happened, show it. Otherwise it's just mutterings, conspiracy rantings and conspiracy websites.

deep down you Know the Truth--Either you Believe or you Dont--no amount of Evidence provided will change that

Yea. We already know that you have not looked at all the evidence pertaining to this conspiracy that has utterly destroyed it.

deep down you Know the Truth--Either you Believe or you Dont--no amount of Evidence provided will change that

Would you care to make comments with some sort of substance behind them?

Actually, I think it would. If you had firm evidence that such a conspiracy happened, show it. Otherwise it's just mutterings, conspiracy rantings and conspiracy websites.
dont you think if people were organized enuf to make a conspiracy come true theyd be organized enuf to cover up the evidence and murder those sources that reveal them?

Would you care to make comments with some sort of substance behind them?
to me that IS substance--there is nothing more profound then our own inner powers

to me that IS substance

"Either you believe or you don't?" If you think that's substance, you're retarded.

"Either you believe or you don't?" If you think that's substance, you're retarded.
its totally true--nothing can be real for you in your life until and unless you utterly believe in it--if you truely believe in something there should be no room for doubt --and without doubt and fear there is no failure

its totally true--nothing can be real for you in your life until and unless you utterly believe in it--if you truely believe in something there should be no room for doubt --and without doubt and fear there is no failure

It has nothing to do with the topic, however. Back up your ideas with something more than blind rhetoric, or stop posting.

dont you think if people were organized enuf to make a conspiracy come true theyd be organized enuf to cover up the evidence and murder those sources that reveal them?

Can't keep things covered up forever. A conspiracy this big would involve a hell of alot of people. Someone would've talked long before now.

to me that IS substance--there is nothing more profound then our own inner powers

Well that last part is actually true but your first part is most assuredly is not substance.

And the bolded part is why this conspiracy theory has been debunked more times than I can count on both my fingers and toes.

Also the bolded part is a death nill to ANY conspiracy theory.
You don’t believe any conspiracy theories at all? I’m aware of quite a few in our own history. See Aaron Burr.

You don’t believe any conspiracy theories at all? I’m aware of quite a few in our own history. See Aaron Burr.

No, what he's saying (I believe) is that the little details break the conspiracy theory down, it's done for.

dont you think if people were organized enuf to make a conspiracy come true theyd be organized enuf to cover up the evidence and murder those sources that reveal them?
Yes and wouldn't they be able to 'Find' Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? If the Bush Adminstration was sneaky enough to do 9/11 then they could have been able to plant WMDs in Iraq.

Follow the money--thats all the proof and evidence anyone with eyes to see need

Hey Romulus- I followed the money and as a result made amendments to post# 317.

Surely though we'd have to be talking about large amounts though to justify any suspicion? Look at thread 317!

Always using that Popular Mechanics article. Read this:

Propogandular Mechanics Article revelations (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=66176)
For the sake of our society, please do not every vote in any election. You are too fucking stupid to make a decision to decide who leads any nation.

with all my heart--The Bush crime syndicate is a focus of evil in the world todayh. Bush is the Whore of Babylon (AKA Iraq) who will destroy our Country if Good people dont resist him--if you looked on Bushs body or under his hair you will find proof of this
Just a question, are you trying to be a dumbass just so Brattain looks smart or are you really this dumb?

Can't keep things covered up forever. A conspiracy this big would involve a hell of alot of people. Someone would've talked long before now.
theyre all dead by now IM sure

Yes and wouldn't they be able to 'Find' Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? If the Bush Adminstration was sneaky enough to do 9/11 then they could have been able to plant WMDs in Iraq.
correct--and theres no way Saddam coulda smuggled WMDS out of the country either without satellites picking them up--also what good were these imaginary WMDs if Saddam didnt even use them when his country was under direct attack? It all sounds very fishy

Would you care to make comments with some sort of substance behind them?

No-one questions that 9/11 was a conspiracy. The theory debate is WHO pulled it off.

a) Osama Bin Laden & friends
b) People closer to home
c) A combination of both
d) Fuck knows

A sensible first step is to establish a credible motive.

The motive for a) is apparently along the lines of Evil People expressing hatred towards the principles and freedoms upon which the United States is founded.

Amended post #317 attempts to proffer interesting insight into the possibilty of the $billions motive for b)

Letter to Clinton 1998 by PNAC (http://www.theindyvoice.com/index.blog?entry_id=417960)

One of the men that signed this letter is R. James Woolsey (former director of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency).

Would it surprise readers to discover that the same man is Vice President at Booz Allen & Hamilton, Inc. (http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/20_9/special-report/26107-10.html) for Global Strategic Security, a company which boasts 9th place in the Top 100 Federal Prime Contractors list 2005! (http://www.washingtontechnology.com/top-100/2005/9.html)

PNAC's Aims and Objectives and list of members (dated 1997)! Recognise any names? (http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm)

These folken want to rule the world like a highly organised bunch of Lex Luthors! A New World Order- amazing how history repeats itself!
Dont forget Halliburton and the Carlylse Group and a Host of other CIA front companies and war profiteers--the Carlyse Group was behind the latest ports controversy too and ironically enuf Poppa Bush was meeting with the carlylse group and a Bin Laden on the exact morning of 911 according to studies done by Randi Rhodes

theyre all dead by now IM sure
Rom, there's a way people go about these things. They gather incriminating evidence, get a lawyer to put it in a safe, and tell the lawyer to acess it if you don't at least once a month.

Rom, there's a way people go about these things. They gather incriminating evidence, get a lawyer to put it in a safe, and tell the lawyer to acess it if you don't at least once a month.
True--they can make a stipulation that the tapes get released if they get killed

No, what he's saying (I believe) is that the little details break the conspiracy theory down, it's done for.

This is correct.

No-one questions that 9/11 was a conspiracy.

You are

the theory debate is WHO pulled it off.

a) Osama Bin Laden & friends
b) People closer to home
c) A combination of both
d) Fuck knows

Answer highlighted

A sensible first step is to establish a credible motive.

The motive for a) is apparently along the lines of Evil People expressing hatred towards the principles and freedoms upon which the United States is founded.

DING! DING! DING! You have hit the answer on the head.

Amended post #317 attempts to proffer interesting insight into the possibilty of the $billions motive for b)

Why don't you post it here so we all can see what you edited.

goto 319.

are you on the payroll corny?

goto 319.

are you on the payroll corny?

I'm not going to go to post 319 so why don't you post it here.

the theory debate is WHO pulled it off.

a) Osama Bin Laden & friends
b) People closer to home
c) A combination of both
d) Fuck knows

the correct answer is C

the correct answer is C

What makes you think c Romulus?

I don't know?

What makes you think c Romulus?
Maybe he meant because the Hjackers were living in the US at the time. ;)

Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel, no?

So why was there molten steel found and reported?

The observation of molten metal at Ground Zero was emphasized publicly by Leslie Robertson, the structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center Towers, who reported that “As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.” (Williams, 2001, p. 3)

Eaton] continued, ‘ranging from molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared and bent in the disaster’. (Structural Engineer, September 3, 2002, p. 6)

Dr. Allison Geyh was one of a team of public health investigators from Johns Hopkins who visited the WTC site after 9-11. She reported in the Late Fall 2001 issue of Magazine of Johns Hopkins Public Health, "In some pockets now being uncovered they are finding molten steel.”

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/hotSlag.jpg

Can anyone explain this to me?

Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel, no?

So why was there molten steel found and reported?

Though jet fuel on its own may not be capable of melting steel in an open fire, it could be possible that pressure of the wreckage combined with the heat of the jet fuel to produce conditions hot enough to melt some steel.

Remember that for the towers themselves to fall, the steel only needed lose some of its strength, which is reasonable to believe with the temperature of jet fuel burning around the supports of the towers.

The buildings then fell, with an incredible amount of pressure and heat being exerted on the wreckage within the ruins of the WTC. After some time, some of the steel then melted.

I don't think this is an unreasonable explanation.

Here is a link to Penn & Teller's Bullshit episode. Has it been linked yet? Maybe you should watch it again if it has.

http://www.911blogger.com/2005/05/penn-and-tellers-bullshit-911-coverage.html

The link goes to the conspiracy theorist... there's a link for the Bullshit episode somewhere in that mess.

I don't know?

mmm, I'm ready err I think!

If you're not an American, I think I may be able to forgive this. But if you are: go to hell, you disgusting bastard. I've NEVER understood people who think that the government would have anything to do with 9/11. And this isn't a Republican patriot dogma thing talking here: this is just me and my opinion that has always been, regardless of my politics throughout my life. 9/11 was a tragedy, one that might have been preventable, but most certainly was NOT done to us by our government. That is just dispicible and utterly idiotic, and completely disgusts me.

A typical reaction by someone living under a totalitarian regime without being aware of it, courtesy lifelong brainwashing, wouldn't you think?

I think a few of you need one of these

http://home.no.net/holodoc/ordinary1.jpg

Also have look here:
www.justicefor911.org/

Whether or not the Bush Administration let the attacks commence deliberately as part of a ruse or because they found it too daft to be true, it doesn't matter. What does matter, and what is pretty obvious is that they capitalized on a political oppurtunity to get what they wanted done.

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/index.html

What makes you think c Romulus?
cause Bandar Bush and the Osamas go wayyy back together

cause Bandar Bush and the Osamas go wayyy back together

Still crazy after all these beers, eh Romulus? You know, it would be nice, if just once, you'd back up your posts with something besides your paranoid and ephemeral delusions. Hell, I'd even settle with a link from the New York Times at this point.

Still crazy after all these beers, eh Romulus? You know, it would be nice, if just once, you'd back up your posts with something besides your paranoid and ephemeral delusions. Hell, I'd even settle with a link from the New York Times at this point.
How do I link myself?:confused:

Though jet fuel on its own may not be capable of melting steel in an open fire, it could be possible that pressure of the wreckage combined with the heat of the jet fuel to produce conditions hot enough to melt some steel.

Remember that for the towers themselves to fall, the steel only needed lose some of its strength, which is reasonable to believe with the temperature of jet fuel burning around the supports of the towers.

The buildings then fell, with an incredible amount of pressure and heat being exerted on the wreckage within the ruins of the WTC. After some time, some of the steel then melted.

I don't think this is an unreasonable explanation.

Also, remember that the World Trade Center had the majority of its' supports literally on the outside of the building. When the plane crashed into the building, it weakened the integrity of the building immeasurably. The remainder of the supports were in the central elevator shaft, which the plane also severed upon impact. The fire extiguishing system for the building ran up the same shaft. The fire ran rampant above the impact crater and then down the shaft until it had weakened the remaining support columns sufficiently that it brought down the floors above like a collapsing house of cards.

Nova had a special about it that you should watch called "Why The Towers Fell". Quite interesting stuff, really.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

Also, remember that the World Trade Center had the majority of its' supports literally on the outside of the building. When the plane crashed into the building, it weakened the integrity of the building immeasurably. The remainder of the supports were in the central elevator shaft, which the plane also severed upon impact. The fire extiguishing system for the building ran up the same shaft. The fire ran rampant above the impact crater and then down the shaft until it had weakened the remaining support columns sufficiently that it brought down the floors above like a collapsing house of cards.

Nova had a special about it that you should watch called "Why The Towers Fell". Quite interesting stuff, really.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

my friend GN used to crawl thru the air ducts in the world trade center clearing out blockages and one time he happened upon this Rat that was about as big as a small dog and he had to zap it with his tazer then open an air vent and drop it on some secretarys desk and the lady went hysterical

Also, remember that the World Trade Center had the majority of its' supports literally on the outside of the building. When the plane crashed into the building, it weakened the integrity of the building immeasurably. The remainder of the supports were in the central elevator shaft, which the plane also severed upon impact. The fire extiguishing system for the building ran up the same shaft. The fire ran rampant above the impact crater and then down the shaft until it had weakened the remaining support columns sufficiently that it brought down the floors above like a collapsing house of cards.

Nova had a special about it that you should watch called "Why The Towers Fell". Quite interesting stuff, really.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

This theory does not account for:
a) The fall of both Towers
b) The fall of WTC7
c) Molten steel in rubble

You have to be high up to rebuttal all of the questions raised here:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646#ripley (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646#ripley)

This is not 'conspiracy theory', just people asking questions

If you want to contact me mate- do it on the public thread and not on my p.e.

Occam's Razor. What's more likely?

A.)That some whackjobs with coordination through the internet 'jacked some planes and flew them into buildings.

or

B.) Some grand government conspiracy to get us into massive wars in the middle east shot missiles or military planes at buildings, all the while keeping anybody from leaking any information about such an operation.

This theory does not account for:
a) The fall of both Towers
b) The fall of WTC7
c) Molten steel in rubble
Actually it does account for all of the above. First, after the planes hit the fuel burned and ignited other stuff, after all, the place was stuffed full of delightful burnables. Paper, wood, desks, chairs, you name it, you got it. All these things combined to create a virtual firestorm on the upper levels of the Towers, as the fire burned the steel began to lose it's structural integrity (Use a blowtorch on some metal, it won't melt it, but it will make it so that it will slowly bend, and if you've got enough force, it will even break.) In fact, the length of time between the impact itself and the collapse of the towers supports these facts. Controlled demolition wouldn't be able to concurrently not knock down the towers and ignite the fires that eventually weakened the structural supports. Beyond that, the fashion in which the towers fell supports this account. As the sides the jets impacted in began to fall marginally before the unimpacted sides fell. The collapse began in a very limited area, but rapidly accelerated.

World Trade Center Seven collapsed as a result of damage that occured as the towers themselves fell. Large bits of steel and concrete moving rapidly outwards tends to have a negative effect on structural stability. There's no mystery to it. And why would they blow up another random building? No one gives a flying fuck about WTC Seven, no one ever talks about it.

Have you ever been to a coal mine where they stack the goal in giant piles? Did you know that those piles create enough pressure, and by virtue of that pressure heat, to ignite the coal in the bottom of the pile? The heat in the pile of rubble that the collapsed WTC created would be more than sufficient to generate that level of heat. I'd imagine that the melted (probably a better term would be warped, as I doubt that there was actual molten steel totally reformed stuff). This is capable of producing sufficient temps to warp steel.

Occam's Razor. What's more likely?

A.)That some whackjobs with coordination through the internet 'jacked some planes and flew them into buildings.

or

B.) Some grand government conspiracy to get us into massive wars in the middle east shot missiles or military planes at buildings, all the while keeping anybody from leaking any information about such an operation.
or C). the Govt knew and sat back and let it happen

World Trade Center Seven collapsed as a result of damage that occured as the towers themselves fell. Large bits of steel and concrete moving rapidly outwards tends to have a negative effect on structural stability. There's no mystery to it. And why would they blow up another random building? No one gives a flying fuck about WTC Seven, no one ever talks about it.


mmm, well how do you explain Silverstein saying on tape that the decision was taken to 'pull' builing 7?

What the stupidity.com

or C). the Govt knew and sat back and let it happen
Which would still require the gov't to keep everyone quiet about the subject; the history of whistleblowers kinda shoots that silly argument down.

I just can't see Bush and friends killing 3,000 of their own people. Maybe it's due to residual brainwashing or something, but they just don't seem to have it in them. On the other hand, I certainly don't know what they are really like. However, given that the buildings are made of glass and steel fighting gravity and they were hit at full speed by large aircraft, I fail to see how they wouldn't have fallen.

I just can't see Bush and friends killing 3,000 of their own people. Maybe it's due to residual brainwashing or something, but they just don't seem to have it in them. On the other hand, I certainly don't know what they are really like. However, given that the buildings are made of glass and steel fighting gravity and they were hit at full speed by large aircraft, I fail to see how they wouldn't have fallen.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646#ripley (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646#ripley)


I hope you are right, let's just insist on getting answers to the questions that keep getting dodged.

Mein Gott! Didn't we kill this thread?

:sniper: die thread die!

Mein Gott! Didn't we kill this thread?

:sniper: die thread die!

Thankyou for refreshing this thread!

Which would still require the gov't to keep everyone quiet about the subject; the history of whistleblowers kinda shoots that silly argument down.
but there are whistleblowers and theyre discredited as "conspiracy theorists"

I just can't see Bush and friends killing 3,000 of their own people. Maybe it's due to residual brainwashing or something, but they just don't seem to have it in them. On the other hand, I certainly don't know what they are really like. However, given that the buildings are made of glass and steel fighting gravity and they were hit at full speed by large aircraft, I fail to see how they wouldn't have fallen.
the Bush crime syndicate have a very long history of killing their own people

the Bush crime syndicate have a very long history of killing their own people

Such as? I'm hardly a fan of Bush, but I'm simply not aware of such incidents.

I like how people think that if there was an explosion (which I doubt there was) that it must have been the US gov't that used them on the towers. Cuz as we know, only the US gov't has access to explosives, and no one else (not even Osama in the Past) can plan a way to get them into the towers.
TERRORRISTS BUY BOOMIES TOO! And it wouldn't be the 1st time a boomey's gone off in one of the WTCs. But I still doubt that any explosives were used.

the Bush crime syndicate have a very long history of killing their own people
Hold on...I'm getting an idea. The lawyer Cheney shot knew too much. He needed to die. Cheney was trying to kill him when he shoot him. I can't see Bush orchestrating this conspiracy (too much of a bloke), but Cheney...

And if explosives were used, exactly how did they get there? Did hordes of government agents come in one day carrying huge amounts of high explosive and strap it to the steel without anyone noticing?

Hold on...I'm getting an idea. The lawyer Cheney shot knew too much. He needed to die. Cheney was trying to kill him when he shoot him. I can't see Bush orchestrating this conspiracy (too much of a bloke), but Cheney...

Out at the Quail pens, checking their tethered quarry.

“Meeting with reporters, where did you hear about that? Dick, I’m just having lunch with that 60 Minutes reporter. It’s just a biography, Dick! I’m not going to tell them anything, I swear!”

Blaam!

You have to be high up to rebuttal all of the questions raised here:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646#ripley (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646#ripley)

This is not 'conspiracy theory', just people asking questions

Don't you ever give up? Face it! Bush didn't orchestrate this and no one else in the gov't did either. The one's that did are in Afghanistan hiding from American Bombers and troops. You really do not hvae a clue and all of your so called evidence has been debunked more than once and by more than one poster.

Let this thread die already.

Actually it does account for all of the above. First, after the planes hit the fuel burned and ignited other stuff, after all, the place was stuffed full of delightful burnables. Paper, wood, desks, chairs, you name it, you got it. All these things combined to create a virtual firestorm on the upper levels of the Towers, as the fire burned the steel began to lose it's structural integrity (Use a blowtorch on some metal, it won't melt it, but it will make it so that it will slowly bend, and if you've got enough force, it will even break.) In fact, the length of time between the impact itself and the collapse of the towers supports these facts. Controlled demolition wouldn't be able to concurrently not knock down the towers and ignite the fires that eventually weakened the structural supports. Beyond that, the fashion in which the towers fell supports this account. As the sides the jets impacted in began to fall marginally before the unimpacted sides fell. The collapse began in a very limited area, but rapidly accelerated.

World Trade Center Seven collapsed as a result of damage that occured as the towers themselves fell. Large bits of steel and concrete moving rapidly outwards tends to have a negative effect on structural stability. There's no mystery to it. And why would they blow up another random building? No one gives a flying fuck about WTC Seven, no one ever talks about it.

Have you ever been to a coal mine where they stack the goal in giant piles? Did you know that those piles create enough pressure, and by virtue of that pressure heat, to ignite the coal in the bottom of the pile? The heat in the pile of rubble that the collapsed WTC created would be more than sufficient to generate that level of heat. I'd imagine that the melted (probably a better term would be warped, as I doubt that there was actual molten steel totally reformed stuff). This is capable of producing sufficient temps to warp steel.

Well said. To bad it is lost on closed minded idiots who believe in whatever stupid conspiracy theory they choose to believe.

or C). the Govt knew and sat back and let it happen

I highly doubt this. If this was true then I guess we can Blame Bill Clinton for letting it happen since it was planned during his presidency.

but there are whistleblowers and theyre discredited as "conspiracy theorists"

Oh? Who are these whistleblowers and why haven't they come forward yet?

Such as? I'm hardly a fan of Bush, but I'm simply not aware of such incidents.

Neither am I.

Oh? Who are these whistleblowers and why haven't they come forward yet?

Yes I would like names to.

I love how this dip****s arguments are based on reports that took place in the moments after. A time of utter confusion and doubt. The second explosion he loves to use was gas pipes blowing. Other flamable material reaching the flash point. Metal explodes at a flsh point. The design was faulty. The plane drove into the heart of the building and destroyed the middle support. the plane drove towards the corner so the corner support was destroyed. Watch the video the tower leans toward the edge that was hit when it collapses. Burned... I think he just was. All i used was his "Logical thinking" Touche...

I live in Cleveland OH, i saw the plane make the 180 turn. This is weird because everyone saw the jet stream make the huge turn. It didn't land in cleveland.

9/11 Conspiracy: Who is/was responsible? Bin Laden? Bush's PNAC cronies? Both? Did anyone stand to gain? Have they gained?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose

Turn the volume up and watch this film folks before you reply and send the link to your to your friends. You might not believe all of it, but if any of it is true- God help us.
There's a better version out. :)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=In+Plane+Site+%26+Loose+Change

Anyone know how long it would take to wire WTC buildings 1, 2 and 7 to drop-implode like this Utah nut says they did? I've no expertise whatsoever in demolition, but it sounds like it'd take more than a couple of years. Unless all the security personnel who might have seen unscheduled workers milling about the towers were also in on it, and that's beyond implausibility.

The WTC was meant to take a slow-moving airliner of the time in which it was built. We're talking a 150-knot 727 looking for the JFK runway and getting seriously confused. A 767 at full throttle is going something like 500+ knots, more or less fully fueled.

The conspiracy theorists keep throwing the melting point of steel at us as well. Steel doesn't have to melt to weaken. All it took was one set of floor joints to give way and add its weight to the already struggling joints of the floor below it. Add the weight of two floors to the third, and you get the pancake effect.

Then there's the issue of timing, making sure the hijackers did what they did on time and in sequence -- leaving far too much to chance to be any kind of organized controlled demolition. "But what about 7 WTC?" the whck-jobs retort. Well, shit -- just think about the mass that was cascading down within a short distance of 7 WTC. A collapse like that carries a shitload of energy and there were two collapses of that magnitude right next door.

See, what they keep repeating is that "no steel frame building has EVER collasped as a result of fire" and blah, blah, blah. Well answer me this, my mole-eyed skullduggers: has anyone tested a steel frame building under anything remotely similar to what happened on 9-11? Y'know what, nobody's ever tested a steel frame building against, oh, say, a meteor the size of a Volkswagen, either. Does that automatically mean if one falls to Earth and crashes clean through the core of the Empire State Building that there's no way it, too should collapse?

Conspiracy nuts are just like the Enquirer and the other tabloids -- they prey on the "what if" factor and attempt to use science to back their lunatic assertions up and seem realistic. Buy it if you want to, that's your call. As for me, I think these 9-11 conspiracy theories are cute and distracting, but completely fulla shit and not to be taken seriously.

Oswald acted alone, while I'm at it. Why, we'll never know, but there was no second gunman.

Such as? I'm hardly a fan of Bush, but I'm simply not aware of such incidents.
such as the Kennedy assassinations and the attempt to kill Reagan

Hold on...I'm getting an idea. The lawyer Cheney shot knew too much. He needed to die. Cheney was trying to kill him when he shoot him. I can't see Bush orchestrating this conspiracy (too much of a bloke), but Cheney...
cheneys a black hearted bastard

And if explosives were used, exactly how did they get there? Did hordes of government agents come in one day carrying huge amounts of high explosive and strap it to the steel without anyone noticing?
a Bush family member headed security at the WTC

Well said. To bad it is lost on closed minded idiots who believe in whatever stupid conspiracy theory they choose to believe.
only fools and slaves believe the govt version of reality

I highly doubt this. If this was true then I guess we can Blame Bill Clinton for letting it happen since it was planned during his presidency.
yes Bush and Osama did plan it during CLintons presidency when Clinton turned down Bushs demand that he invade Iraq in 1998

cheneys a black hearted bastard

You'll believe anything won't you?

a Bush family member headed security at the WTC

I would love to see your proof of this statement :rolleyes:

Oh? Who are these whistleblowers and why haven't they come forward yet?
Sibel Edmonds and many many others who you choose to disbelieve without even listening to

only fools and slaves believe the govt version of reality

Guess what? I don't. Now do you have anything constructive to rebut the evidence that has destroyed this thread?

yes Bush and Osama did plan it during CLintons presidency when Clinton turned down Bushs demand that he invade Iraq in 1998

Since Bush didn't have anything to do with 9/11 this statement is false.

Sibel Edmonds and many many others who you choose to disbelieve without even listening to

LOL!

Proof?

Since Bush didn't have anything to do with 9/11 this statement is false.
I just remembered who you are and I dont believe I should be communicating with you in any fashion

I Dont speak to narks

I just remembered who you are and I dont believe I should be communicating with you in any fashion

On behalf of the Intelligent people in this thread I hearby accept your offer of surrender.

I Dont speak to narks

Make that your unconditional surrender :D

Cripes, who knows. I doubt it.

a sure sign of defeat is when people have to stoop to being narks

fascists always find great use for such people

a sure sign of defeat is when people have to stoop to being narks

As opposed to a closed minded twit who has failed to look at all the evidence in this thread that has debunked this conspiracy at all levels.

i think theres a fly in the room--all I hear is this buzzing noise

a sure sign of defeat is when people have to stoop to being narks.
A sure sign of defeat is when you can't present any proof of wild allegations, despite people having asked for it reapeatedly. Case closed.

i think theres a fly in the room--all I hear is this buzzing noise
What? is it a flying spycam that the evil Bush administration sent in to investigate you because you uncovered his horrible secret?

run along now and file your reports--it is the fascist thing to do afterall--Hitler would be proud and its the last refuge for discredited neocons

Stop replying to this thread!!
Die you stupid thread!:sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

run along now and file your reports--it is the fascist thing to do afterall--Hitler would be proud and its the last refuge for discredited neocons

The only paperwork I have to fill out is ejection paperwork when someone gets tossed from an Intramural game. Since that didn't happen today, I have no report to file :D

Stop replying to this thread!!
Die you stupid thread!:sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

We'll post in this thread if we want to :sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

actually I see you already filed your report which just confirms the Berkeley study about the nature of kids who grow up to be conservatives but Im finished making my point on this issue

actually I see you already filed your report which just confirms the Berkeley study about the nature of kids who grow up to be conservatives but Im finished making my point on this issue

Now I'm confused.

mmm, well how do you explain Silverstein saying on tape that the decision was taken to 'pull' builing 7?
I cannot speak to that as the video wouldn't load.

or C). the Govt knew and sat back and let it happen
Very unlikely. This is the sort of job, that if it was known about, would be handled by ground level guys in the FBI. There would be no GW Bush & Company doing oversight or anything, just Mueller, and he was a Clinton appointee. Or perhaps the baggage screeners would also have done their job and stopped them when they noticed the boxcutters. Too many random variables for that one to work at all.

Stop replying to this thread!!
Die you stupid thread!:sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:If you want to kill the thread, stop replying to it.

If you want to discuss the issue, discuss it.

However, attacking the poster would be flaming, and saying things like "Die, thread!" is just spam at this point. So knock it off.

But it's so fun watching stupid people acting stupid :D

C'mon Mustapha, say something zany that a conspiricy nut would.

But it's so fun watching stupid people acting stupid :D

C'mon Mustapha, say something zany that a conspiricy nut would.

I think..... he already has.

Interesting video.

I do admit to liking a good conspiracy theory the way some women like a good trashy soap opera.

The Pentagon stuff I have always wondered about. It always seemed a tad too clean for a plane wreck. I have seen photage of a plane slaming into a mountain and there was always recognizable wreackage.

The claim of the surveillance photage from the surrounding buildings is interesting. What is the outcome of that?

As to the grand conspiracy? Well let's just say I can't belive it. I don't know of very many soldiers that would not take up arms against any goverment that would undertake such a plan. There is always somebody that would leak such a plan.

I don't know of any hostile foreign goverment wouldn't hesitate to leak the plan just to watch the chaos that would follow.

Now having said that? I can say there are "individuals" I have come across in my days in the Fed that would not hessitate to do something along those lines if they felt it was for the greator good of the Nation. I will always remember the guy that gave me my security briefings. His eyes. He was not right in the head.

Ahh well.......

But it's so fun watching stupid people acting stupid :D

C'mon Mustapha, say something zany that a conspiricy nut would.

He has numerous times and I think he's gone out of this thread because I already accepted his unconditional surrender.

There is a lot of collusion between the House of Bush and House of Saud, huge amounts of collusion and cash. However at the time Bin Laden’s agents lashed out at the US, the Saudi royal family was in heated talks with the US government about easing off in their support of Israel. There was large organized support by the Arab Americans of Bush during his first election campaign. This is why you get the flip-flopping of policy coming out of the White House concerning the Palestinian issue, just before 9-11. It was in part the collusion between the Bush family and the Saudi royals, as well as having infidels in the Middle East during the First Gulf War that inspired Bin Laden to launch the attacks of 9-11. The few members of the royal family involved with the plot were quietly assassinated (meaning quietly covered by the press, since things going boom aren’t quiet).

The conspiracy of 9-11 starts the day after 9-11 when the ass covering by a lot of very bad intelligence work and interpretation of that intelligence work should have come out. The conspiracy was how the White House turned a legitimate invasion of Afghanistan into an illegitimate invasion against Iraq.

I think it’s the vast incompetence that made the attacks possible that have spurred on most of the rumours about it all being a conspiracy, that and some new pharmaceuticals that should have been tested more rigorously. That and I really think that there are some people out there that can’t accept that someone could attack America like this without it being an inside job.

The Bruce

Inside job.

http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupID=100649623&MyToken=570d9d9c-9337-4a06-b57f-5b4715304b53


lots of links, videos and info.

Inside job.

http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupID=100649623&MyToken=570d9d9c-9337-4a06-b57f-5b4715304b53


lots of links, videos and info.

Nice. Use a myspace group to try and prove your point. Oh brother, now I've seen everything.

Interesting video.

I do admit to liking a good conspiracy theory the way some women like a good trashy soap opera.

The Pentagon stuff I have always wondered about. It always seemed a tad too clean for a plane wreck. I have seen photage of a plane slaming into a mountain and there was always recognizable wreackage.

The claim of the surveillance photage from the surrounding buildings is interesting. What is the outcome of that?

As to the grand conspiracy? Well let's just say I can't belive it. I don't know of very many soldiers that would not take up arms against any goverment that would undertake such a plan. There is always somebody that would leak such a plan.

I don't know of any hostile foreign goverment wouldn't hesitate to leak the plan just to watch the chaos that would follow.

Now having said that? I can say there are "individuals" I have come across in my days in the Fed that would not hessitate to do something along those lines if they felt it was for the greator good of the Nation. I will always remember the guy that gave me my security briefings. His eyes. He was not right in the head.

Ahh well.......
The thing is, a 200 some ton plane smashing into a stationary object at 500 mph + would rip all surfaces except the fusalage off. Think about wings aren't strong enoough to take a full blow at tosw speeds. Just Google 9/11 conspiracy theories. There are some tuths that this nut case "left out like wheel hubs that would survive if ther weree in the whell cariage. Seats that were ejected on impact. He lists things he could warp and leaves out the rest the asshole. I had family friends die at the pentagon.

The thing is, a 200 some ton plane smashing into a stationary object at 500 mph + would rip all surfaces except the fusalage off. Think about wings aren't strong enoough to take a full blow at tosw speeds. Just Google 9/11 conspiracy theories. There are some tuths that this nut case "left out like wheel hubs that would survive if ther weree in the whell cariage. Seats that were ejected on impact. He lists things he could warp and leaves out the rest the asshole. I had family friends die at the pentagon.

You have my condolences

Apologist? Dude, I wanted the head of whoever ordered that attack on a plate after we draw and quartered him infront of the media I doubt I'll get me wish though so I'll just settle for the next best thing. Democracy in Afghanistan.
Nice oxymoron there, Corneliu. Real nice... I love how you say that there's democracy there when a man can't even practice Christianity without being persecuted under Draconian law. I thought democracy meant freedom of thought, conscience and religion, and just the opposite exists.

And as for the topic... I don't go either way. I think both sides make good points. After all, none of us were there and chances are, none of us are experts. We only cite sources that validate our arguments.

For all we know, it could've been a mix of factors. After all, there are elaboate smuggling schemes that have taken place in airports that have allowed for luggage to avoid screening. This luggage has contained various blacklisted contraband.

Who says that someone didn't work their way in? Anything is entirely possible. Yes, it happened, but just how much was released?

After all, the Bush administration seemed to gain quite a bit of security from voter paranoia regarding further possible attacks. No, I'm not saying they were responsible. It just seems convenient that they could milk it for so long.

It is also possible that the official story is entirely true. After all, who is to say it isn't?

The government isn't one to release info on ITS problems, the media did it for them. :P Just like watergate we have a list of people responsible for ignoring the warning, but when you realize just how many of them they get a day/week/year the funding is entirely pointless it seems.

Though the nicest part they used the fear and prayed upon it for more money and ability to pass major security increases which the republicans LOVED and the democrats (driven by fear) also loved!

The government took advantage of it to pass so much legislation through as fast as possible, but I doubt they did it. Its like saying FDR was behind the stock market crash just to pass so much legislation that he would never lose his presidency.:rolleyes:

Now I'm confused.
Oh okay

now your gonna tell me when you walk away from your computer to go to the bathroom your mother gets online and files reports on people using your name:rolleyes:

Oh okay

now your gonna tell me when you walk away from your computer to go to the bathroom your mother gets online and files reports on people using your name:rolleyes:

What are you going on about? I told you that the only reports I fill out is when someone gets ejected in an intramural game. As an Intramural Supervisor, that is my job. If you don't believe I actually hold such a post, I can provide you with a link to prove it.

So what reports are you going on about?

Very unlikely. This is the sort of job, that if it was known about, would be handled by ground level guys in the FBI. There would be no GW Bush & Company doing oversight or anything, just Mueller, and he was a Clinton appointee. Or perhaps the baggage screeners would also have done their job and stopped them when they noticed the boxcutters. Too many random variables for that one to work at all.
or they could just sit back and ignore the 77 specific warnings like they did

or they could just sit back and ignore the 77 specific warnings like they did

Then why didn't Clinton do anything about it?

What are you going on about? I told you that the only reports I fill out is when someone gets ejected in an intramural game. As an Intramural Supervisor, that is my job. If you don't believe I actually hold such a post, I can provide you with a link to prove it.

So what reports are you going on about?
all your nark posts

all your nark posts

Put up or shut up.

Then why didn't Clinton do anything about it?
becuase Clinton wasnt president in 2001--NO ONE WAS

Nice. Use a myspace group to try and prove your point. Oh brother, now I've seen everything.


did you read any of it? it's a myspace group yes. so what? how does that devalue any of the info that can be found there? Myspace is retarded and this is the only way I use it, to gleem information and place to find some. I suggest taking a look before you laugh, but I guess thats beyond you.

He has numerous times and I think he's gone out of this thread because I already accepted his unconditional surrender.
I never surrender I just dont understand the morality of reporting on people--then again Im not a FASCIST so why would I

becuase Clinton wasnt president in 2001--NO ONE WAS

:confused:

care to explain this idiotic post?

did you read any of it? it's a myspace group yes. so what? how does that devalue any of the info that can be found there? Myspace is retarded and this is the only way I use it, to gleem information and place to find some. I suggest taking a look before you laugh, but I guess thats beyond you.

*laughs laughs and laughs some more*

I never surrender I just dont understand the morality of reporting on people--then again Im not a FASCIST so why would I

I'm not a fascist either. I do not report on people. The only people I report are those that get tossed out of an Intramural Game.

Put up or shut up.
yeah like Im gonna fall for the one

look 2 folders up

yeah like Im gonna fall for the one

look 2 folders up

Put up or shut up.

I'm not a fascist either. I do not report on people. The only people I report are those that get tossed out of an Intramural Game.
...and people you disagree with online --im looken at the evidence rite now

...and people you disagree with online --im looken at the evidence rite now

Oh my god. You are a whack job aren't you? Pass over what your smoking because i want some.

:confused:

care to explain this idiotic post?


yeah Bush was president in 2001. If Bush was president and we only have one president, than it stands to reason that Clinton could not also be president.

Oh my god. You are a whack job aren't you? Pass over what your smoking because i want some.
uh oh--better report this for a preemptive lock--you never know if someones gonna actually say something controversial or beat you in a debate--AGAIN

yeah Bush was president in 2001. If Bush was president and we only have one president, than it stands to reason that Clinton could not also be president.

This whole operation was planned throughout the 1990s. That means that Bill Clinton was President when the operation was being planned since, according to what we have been able to piece together, was in the works since around 1996.

So the idea that Bush was behind it is really ludicrous as he wasn't even President during the 1990s.

uh oh--better report this for a preemptive lock--you never know if someones gonna actually say something controversial or beat you in a debate--AGAIN

I only report flame wars. I do not mind contraversial issues and I'm not out to win debates No one wins debates anyway.

yeah Bush was president in 2001. If Bush was president and we only have one president, than it stands to reason that Clinton could not also be president.
I also meant since Bush is so braindead its the same as having no one in office--certainly Clinton woulda prevented 911 because 1) he had nothing to gain from it and 2) he wouldve been holding anti-terrorism meetings which is something that Bush refused to do even once before 911--coincidentally (if you believe in coincidences) Cheney was in charge of holding so-called Anti-terrorism meetings at that time

This whole operation was planned throughout the 1990s. That means that Bill Clinton was President when the operation was being planned since, according to what we have been able to piece together, was in the works since around 1996.

So the idea that Bush was behind it is really ludicrous as he wasn't even President during the 1990s.


sure, I wouldn't put it past the Clinton admin to be on the same page as Bush's. They both come from the same party so why the hell wouldn't they. Clinton was tried and found guilty of war crimes, so yeah he probably new at least something about it.

http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/wct2000.htm

This whole operation was planned throughout the 1990s. That means that Bill Clinton was President when the operation was being planned since, according to what we have been able to piece together, was in the works since around 1996.

So the idea that Bush was behind it is really ludicrous as he wasn't even President during the 1990s.
yes and we all know that Bush tried to get Clinton to invade Iraq in 1998 but since Clinton doesnt believe in betraying the country to enrich a corrupt cabal of war profiteers in another veitnam type scenario he refused and thats when the Bush crime syndicate started planning their blackops attack on America with their sleeper agent Timmy Osmond AKA Osama

I also meant since Bush is so braindead its the same as having no one in office--certainly Clinton woulda prevented 911 because 1) he had nothing to gain from it and 2) he wouldve been holding anti-terrorism meetings which is something that Bush refused to do even once before 911--coincidentally (if you believe in coincidences) Cheney was in charge of holding so-called Anti-terrorism meetings at that time

Then why didn't Clinton do anything about when it in the process of being planned? I guess you cannot fathom that now can ya? Alwell, brainwashed people normally can't.

yes and we all know that Bush tried to get Clinton to invade Iraq in 1998 but since Clinton doesnt believe in betraying the country to enrich a corrupt cabal of war profiteers in another veitnam type scenario he refused and thats when the Bush crime syndicate started planning their blackops attack on America with their sleeper agent Timmy Osmond AKA Osama

Prove that Bush was trying to get Clinton to Invade Iraq please. Again, put up or shut up.

Then why didn't Clinton do anything about when it in the process of being planned? I guess you cannot fathom that now can ya? Alwell, brainwashed people normally can't.
at leat clinton didnt start WW3 invading a country that every single military expert including war college said was unwinnable and would cause a civil war that will destablize the entire region

sure, I wouldn't put it past the Clinton admin to be on the same page as Bush's. They both come from the same party so why the hell wouldn't they. Clinton was tried and found guilty of war crimes, so yeah he probably new at least something about it.

http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/wct2000.htm

HAHAHAHAHA!

Oh brother. This is even funnier than this conspiracy theory considering it isn't even a real court.

Prove that Bush was trying to get Clinton to Invade Iraq please. Again, put up or shut up.
oh what your gonna file a report on me now

oh what your gonna file a report on me now

Prove that Bush was trying to get Clinton to invade Iraq. Put up or shut up.

theres no proving anything to brainwashed partisan Bush-bots who would follow their Fuhrer to the Gates of Hell itself

theres no proving anything to brainwashed partisan Bush-bots who would follow their Fuhrer to the Gates of Hell itself

In other words, you don't have proof. Thanks, I'll accept this as your surrender.

I already told you I dont speak to people who file reports--its an offense to all my codes of morality so Im unable to forward proof (as if youd believe it anyway) because rite now Im offically not speaking to you in deference to all the people victimized by your neocon lack of ethics

I already told you I dont speak to people who file reports--its an offense to all my codes of morality so Im unable to forward proof (as if youd believe it anyway) because rite now Im offically not speaking to you in deference to all the people victimized by your neocon lack of ethics

HAHA!!

If I had a dime for everytime I heard this, I wouldn't need college nor find a job ever again.

Thank you for making my day complete.

Prove that Bush was trying to get Clinton to invade Iraq. Put up or shut up.
He wasn't. He had plans himself to invade it. He didn't need some tree hugging Blowjob receiving lyin' two-bit president to do his work for him. :p

I already told you I dont speak to people who file reports--its an offense to all my codes of morality so Im unable to forward proof (as if youd believe it anyway) because rite now Im offically not speaking to you in deference to all the people victimized by your neocon lack of ethics
As much as I occassionally finding myself in the opinion that Corneliu (and others) is a right wing wankjob, I have to laugh at this. I might just have to reappropriate that tile and name you the wankjob. After that post, I'll be impressed if anyone takes your little crybaby ass seriously. Go back to your sandbox and build your little fantasy world and come back when you're ready to be an adult.

As much as I occassionally finding myself in the opinion that Corneliu (and others) is a right wing wankjob, I have to laugh at this. I might just have to reappropriate that tile and name you the wankjob. After that post, I'll be impressed if anyone takes your little crybaby ass seriously. Go back to your sandbox and build your little fantasy world and come back when you're ready to be an adult.

HAHAHA!!

I'll give you a cookie for this one Kryozerkia

*gives you one*

HAHAHA!!

I'll give you a cookie for this one Kryozerkia

*gives you one*
:D COOKIE!!! *charges and nearly bites off Corneliu's hand while snatching it away*

Yum... :)

And honestly, if this person hadn't made such a stupid statement, they'd be better off. And, I think that now, ironically enough, they might take my previous statement and report it in the context as being 'flaming'.

:D COOKIE!!! *charges and nearly bites off Corneliu's hand while snatching it away*

Yum... :)

And honestly, if this person hadn't made such a stupid statement, they'd be better off. And, I think that now, ironically enough, they might take my previous statement and report it in the context as being 'flaming'.

I wouldn't doubt it. I only reported that one thread because I knew I would be gang tackled. I hardly report anything despite what he claims.

I wouldn't doubt it. I only reported that one thread because I knew I would be gang tackled. I hardly report anything despite what he claims.
I've never seen you complain either. Plus, he has that 'whiney n00b symdrome' thing going on, so, I couldn't help but to lampoon his hapless arse.

Additionally, I didn't think he was being fair in terms of the accepted rules of debate. After all, it's fair to have a difference of opinion; just back it up as best you can.

I mean, I think that based on what has been shown in the media and what is circling on the internet that we didn't get the whole story. After all, do we ever get the whole story when the government is involved? Not likely.

I've never seen you complain either. Plus, he has that 'whiney n00b symdrome' thing going on, so, I couldn't help but to lampoon his hapless arse.

Additionally, I didn't think he was being fair in terms of the accepted rules of debate. After all, it's fair to have a difference of opinion; just back it up as best you can.

I mean, I think that based on what has been shown in the media and what is circling on the internet that we didn't get the whole story. After all, do we ever get the whole story when the government is involved? Not likely.

No it isn't likely but I'm 100% positive that the Office of the Presidency wasn't behind it. No one can keep a secret this long and people going missing will look highly suspicious.

No it isn't likely but I'm 100% positive that the Office of the Presidency wasn't behind it. No one can keep a secret this long and people going missing will look highly suspicious.
Well... they were certainly able to ignore the FBI warnings, so it does put them behind it, doesn't it? Behind on intelligence that is!

Well... they were certainly able to ignore the FBI warnings, so it does put them behind it, doesn't it? Behind on intelligence that is!

Well when the FBI cannot report things to the CIA I can see where you coming from.

Well when the FBI cannot report things to the CIA I can see where you coming from.
Som technically, one can say that the adminstration was behind it (though not directly specifying how).

Som technically, one can say that the adminstration was behind it (though not directly specifying how).

mmmm maybe Clinton WAS behind it :D

mmmm maybe Clinton WAS behind it :D
The only thing Clinton was behind was a copy of Jugs!

:D COOKIE!!! *charges and nearly bites off Corneliu's hand while snatching it away*

Yum... :)

And honestly, if this person hadn't made such a stupid statement, they'd be better off. And, I think that now, ironically enough, they might take my previous statement and report it in the context as being 'flaming'.
hypocrisy is a rightwing republican value--Ive never narked on anyone in my life EVER:gundge:

hypocrisy is a rightwing republican value--Ive never narked on anyone in my life EVER:gundge:

That smiley is so wrong. And no! Hypocrisy is not a rightwing Republican value only. Democrats are hypocratic too.

yes and we all know that Bush tried to get Clinton to invade Iraq in 1998 but since Clinton doesnt believe in betraying the country to enrich a corrupt cabal of war profiteers in another veitnam type scenario he refused and thats when the Bush crime syndicate started planning their blackops attack on America with their sleeper agent Timmy Osmond AKA Osama
Please, PLEASE don't say things like "we all know" and then attach something so amazingly stupid it wouldn't pass muster in a third grade name-calling contest. I can't help what you think YOU may know, but I can damn well tell you not to include anyone but yourself when you vomit it all over this forum.

theres no proving anything to brainwashed partisan Bush-bots who would follow their Fuhrer to the Gates of Hell itself
And you think language like that makes you somehow more believable? Seriously, Shut up. You're embarrassing yourself and any thinking person, dead or alive.

I already told you I dont speak to people who file reports--its an offense to all my codes of morality so Im unable to forward proof (as if youd believe it anyway) because rite now Im offically not speaking to you in deference to all the people victimized by your neocon lack of ethics
Okay, I give up, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?

"Filing reports"? Have you lost what little bit of sausage passes for your mind? What Lone Gunmen masturbatory fantasy world are you living in?

And you think language like that makes you somehow more believable? Seriously, Shut up. You're embarrassing yourself and any thinking person, dead or alive.
embarassment implies shame--I feel neither

Okay, I give up, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?

"Filing reports"? Have you lost what little bit of sausage passes for your mind? What Lone Gunmen masturbatory fantasy world are you living in?
he already confessed to it--but dont be embarassed. I never am

Okay, I give up, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?

"Filing reports"? Have you lost what little bit of sausage passes for your mind? What Lone Gunmen masturbatory fantasy world are you living in?

He's talking about a thread I made in moderation because I knew what would happen if I responded to the questions the thread starter wanted.

Now he thinks that is all I do despite the very very very limited amount of posts of I have in Moderation.

And you think language like that makes you somehow more believable? Seriously, Shut up. You're embarrassing yourself and any thinking person, dead or alive.

I second the motion.

embarassment implies shame--I feel neither
Jesus, pal, you sure should. I'm embarrassed FOR you.

embarassment implies shame--I feel neither

No surprise here!