NationStates Jolt Archive


Immigration ID Control II

La Habana Cuba
06-03-2006, 09:50
Please vote on this multy choice Poll,
Illegal Immigration ID Control check on a Federal Computer Data Base.

Inspired by Demonsthenes II, Rights of illegal Immigrants thread, but with my own twist on the Poll.

I know some immigration threads have been done before but not incorporating the Social Security ID check and build the wall similar to our NS Issues as I have always wanted to do.

Congress is headed toward approving a plan that would require employers to check every worker's Social Security number or immigration work permit against a new federal computer database.

Critics see the move - aimed at stemming illegal immigration - as the beginning of a government information stockpile that could be used to track U.S. residents.

"We're getting closer and closer to a national ID card," says Tim Sparapani, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union.

Lawmakers such as conservative House Judiciary Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., and liberal Sen. Edward Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., have signed on to the verification plan, which is included in some form in every immigration bill currently before Congress. The goal is to make sure everyone working in the USA is doing so legally.

The Senate Judiciary Committee, which handles immigration, begins drafting its version of the bill today. The House bill passed in December.

The bills would require that a pilot program now used by 5,000 employers to check the legal status of job applicants be made mandatory. President Bush's 2007 budget includes $135 million to start expanding the verification system nationwide.

Proponents say new tools are needed to curb illegal immigration. There are now an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the USA. "If we're going to have any means of controlling our borders, you have to have a tamper-proof Social Security card and verification at the time of employment," says Rep. Dan Lungren, R-Calif.

Rep. Ken Calvert (news, bio, voting record), R-Calif., says "this is not a national ID system." But several bills authorize studies of "tamper proof" Social Security cards or their issuance. The cards would include some biometric data and would be harder to counterfeit.

During a debate in 1984, former representative Don Edwards, D-Calif., compared a proposed enhanced Social Security card to an "internal passport." Twelve years later, conservative GOP lobbyist Grover Norquist flooded Capitol Hill with activists wearing washable tattoos of an inventory bar code to show how a government clearinghouse could become a way to "track" Americans.

Both sides agree that Congress' willingness to consider such proposals represents a political shift. "They're talking about things that, if I had talked about, they would have burned my humble butt," says former GOP senator Alan Simpson, who helped write immigration laws passed in 1986 and 1996. He contends that Congress' past refusal to create a secure ID system to verify employment eligibility is a reason that neither law stemmed the flow of illegal immigrants.

Former Republican representative Bob Barr of Georgia, now on the ACLU's advisory board, agrees that attitudes have changed, but he doesn't think that is positive. "Far too many people have been swept into the post-9/11 system of fear that is the basis of all public policy these days," he says.
La Habana Cuba
06-03-2006, 11:46
Israel is the only nation I know that has a similar law, all
Jewish immigrants are granted Citizenship on the day of immigration and have to attend an official language class as soon as it can be arranged.

I think they also have to take a social customs class, not sure about about this last part, I have to do the research again to refresh my memory, it was along time ago.

I should have seperated the english class option from the social customs class option.

So to fix this if you favor the english class and or the social customs class option vote there, and if you are against the english class and social customs class vote thier.

I guess that dosent really fix the problem which bothers me greatly, almost a perfect poll, so if you favor the english class vote there and if you favor the social customs class post it is a public poll anyway, if you are against the english and social customs class you have a place for that on the poll, which mods could seperate that for me but oh well did not want to bother the mods with a III thread like I did once, do what you can.

I have always had plans to make a nation RP with these immigration Public Poll questions in the future.

In my NS nation RP one of the laws I would include would be an immediate citizenship granted to all legal immigrants upon immigrating to the nation with all their rights and responsibilites as citizens on the day of immigration.

Special provisions would be made for certain laws not practically applicable for the immigrant untll such time as
possible.

and a native language class for all non native speakers,
with a social customs class.
Von Witzleben
06-03-2006, 15:37
For a federal database. So when they are deported they canĀ“t sneak back in.
Teh_pantless_hero
06-03-2006, 15:49
That is all we need: more overuse of Social Security numbers.
La Habana Cuba
06-03-2006, 18:36
[QUOTE=Teh_pantless_hero]That is all we need: more overuse of Social Security numbers.[/QUOTE

Teh you cant hardly use social security numbers today for anything, I mean they hardly ask you for your social security card to prove anything today and is so abused.

The social security card needs to be improved and made a real social security card.

I lost mine once and requested a new one with the same number, even before I lost it, I did a social security retirement check on my number and found a few jobs listed that I never worked at.

Under this new system it is to be improved with bar codes and stuff as needs to be.

Remenber there is a proposal to make $ dollar bills more secured in a similar way.
The Vat
06-03-2006, 19:02
Illlegal immigration is illegal immigration and
legal immigration is legal immigration with
all the rights and responsibilities granted and
respected to the legal immigrant.

If we were real world NS nation leaders, would we allow
illegal immigrants to become legal just because they came in illegally?

As a native Cuban now American Citizen, I have mixed feelings on the subject, I stayed in Cuba for some years
waiting until I was able to emigrate legally.

As a native Cuban I support the Cuban adjustment act and the dry foot wet foot policy as dry foot no matter what, because it helps my people.

But I have to admit it is not fair to other immigrant groups
no matter what reasons and should be abolished.

As I posted illegal immigration is illegal immigration and legal immigration is legal immigration.
La Habana Cuba
08-03-2006, 04:14
I found this article related to my thread on Build the Wall,
and immigration control, your views and comments welcomed, I used to work for Northrop Grunman Defense Corp in Chicago, great company to work for, great benefits, I hope Northrop Corp gets the contract, I left Chicago after I got tired of the cold and snow.


Local Contract
3 Firms Will Compete to Build New Border Network

By Alice Lipowicz
Special to The Washington Post
Monday, February 27, 2006; Page D03

Northrop Grumman Corp., Lockheed Martin Corp. and Raytheon Co. are putting together rival teams to compete for the Homeland Security Department's new contract to set up an integrated network of sensors and cameras along the U.S. northern and southern borders.

The Secure Border Initiative, announced by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff in November, is expected to be one of the department's largest contracts, with an estimated value of $2 billion, according to market research firm Input Inc. of Reston.


The money would go toward technologies, such as advanced video cameras and heat sensors, that could be mounted on poles and fences or in movable unmanned vehicles. If an intrusion is detected, an alert would sound for Border Patrol units.

The new system will replace the proposed America's Shield Initiative, a less comprehensive program that would have updated cameras and sensors along U.S. borders with Canada and Mexico. It also is intended to build on an even older program, the controversial "remote video surveillance" initiative, that began in 1998. That surveillance system has been criticized in recent months.

Although $429 million has been spent to install video surveillance cameras and sensors at U.S. borders, the cameras are not fully coordinated with the sensors, and it is not clear whether the system is increasing border control agents' productivity, according to a recent report from Richard L. Skinner, inspector general at the Homeland Security Department.

The project has been marred by delays, cost overruns and ineffective oversight, as well as numerous false alarms, Skinner found.

One of the challenges for the winning team on the new contract will be to integrate its cameras and devices with the existing systems. Department officials said at a Feb. 9 day-long industry briefing that they expect to issue a request for proposals for the project in March and to make an award in September.


Northrop Grumman of Los Angeles; Lockheed Martin of Bethesda; and Raytheon of Waltham, Mass., confirmed that they are each putting together a team to bid for the contract.

"This is one of the department's signature programs," said Bruce Walker, Northrop Grumman's homeland security director. "The team is energized."

At Lockheed, the company "will propose a solution that will enable our government to obtain operational control of our borders," spokesman Jeff Adams said.

Other companies also have expressed interest in playing a role in the program, including General Dynamics Corp. of Falls Church and Textron Inc. of Providence, R.I., according to Bloomberg News. General Dynamics spokesman Rob Doolittle said it was "premature" to discuss the company's intentions. Textron officials did not respond to a request for comment.

Alice Lipowicz is a staff writer with Washington Technology.