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[Note: This is a non-partisan rant, as the bill I'll be discussing below is apparently a bipartisan monstrosity.]

Dildos. Vibrators. They seem to inspire fear and dread in some states in the US--in others, they're practically given out at the borders, to hear some tell the tale. I believe they're still illegal in Alabama, and if Tennessee has its way, they will be illegal there soon as well (http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/News/Political_Notes/2006/03/02/Down_With_Dildos_/index.shtml#). (I love the legal definition here.)
Thank God the state legislature is back in session. When they’re gone, political columnists are forced to take up serious topics like the deputy governor lobbying subordinates on local political issues, U.S. national vulnerability to cyber-attack and the police chief threatening to storm out of a neighborhood meeting. But now that America’s dumbest criminals have reconvened their lawmaking body, it’s easy street for journalistic bottom-feeders to meet deadlines.

To wit: Senate Bill 3794 (House Bill 3798), legislation that would make it illegal to sell, advertise, publish or exhibit to another person “any three-dimensional device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs….” For that matter, if you offer to show someone your dildo collection—or possess a vibrator with the intent to show it to someone—you’d be violating this proposed state law. And don’t even think about wholesaling those three-dimensional sex toys.

Of course, as with all good public policy, state Sen. Charlotte Burks and Rep. Eric Swafford have included a few exemptions for responsible dildo-users. College students and faculty are allowed to enter the sex-toy trade—as long as they are “teaching or pursuing a course of study related to such device,” like Auto-Erotic Stimulation 101. Your doctor or psychologist will similarly be authorized to prescribe the regular use of a sex toy “in the course of medical or psychological treatment or care.” And finally, employees of historical societies, museums, public libraries and—wait for it—school libraries are allowed to traffic in devices named Thruster, The Emperor and The Horny Hare, provided they’re doing their official duties. That means the Carnton Plantation would remain free to put up that “Dildos of the Antebellum” exhibit Robert Hicks has been pitching.
It's easy to poke fun at such situations, but I'm really interested at the underlying psychology of this fear of female sexuality. Any ideas?

Stupid fuckers trying to legislate morality

Perhaps it's the symbolism of a detached penis. I don't know about you, but after amusement, there is a moment of creepiness as I think, 'It's a severed penis!'. But it passes back into amusement failry quickly.

Perhaps they can't see past the desembodied penis and what it suggests. :p

maybe they're just really bad in the sack, and can't deal with the competition of a lawn mower engine attached to a phallic shaped object.

They react that way because its the subject of sex. Everything from the debate about abortion to the stance on homosexuality is heavily entrenched in sexuality.

It has been traditionally seen as a great evil and while it is true that the pursuit of absolute free love has shown many bad consequences, society also tends to persue the opposite direction too much as well. Its strange how a culture can both be oversexed and radically opposed to the subject as well.

maybe they're just really bad in the sack, and can't deal with the competition of a lawn mower engine attached to a phallic shaped object.
That was my first guess.

Seriously, a perscription for dildos? This really doesn't stand a chance, does it? Are they really willing to deal with the level of frustration that would occour, or are they counting on it? I don't think it's going to manifest the way they think it would...

I'd love to hear their reasons for doing something so fucking backwards.

...
It's easy to poke fun at such situations, but I'm really interested at the underlying psychology of this fear of female sexuality. Any ideas?

Maybe it's their fear about guys using them?

Oh baby oh baby oh baby.

I'd love to hear their reasons for doing something so fucking backwards.

The Bible tells them so.

The Bible tells them so.
Of course, your best source for backwards ideas.

Why is it only the backwards and stupid ones that they end up pushing, instead of the ones about poverty and cheek turning and such?

The Bible tells them so.

Hey now, don't get God twisted up in this. While I can only ponder that God would say that it some how degrades human sexuality. That being said, I highly doubt that God spoke directly to the state legislature and told them "thou shalt ban three-dimensional device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs"

Hey now, don't get God twisted up in this. While I can only ponder that God would say that it some how degrades human sexuality. That being said, I highly doubt that God spoke directly to the state legislature and told them "thou shalt ban three-dimensional device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs"

They'll find some verse they always do.

“any three-dimensional device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs….
Two things just occurred to me-

First, this also rules out things like the 'fleshlight' and those dolls, you know the kind...

Second, the loophole-a plastic sheet that you roll up into a dildo for satisfaction...

A finger in every pie and a dildo in every ass, I say..

Legalize!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :upyours: :sniper: :mp5: :headbang: :gundge:

Legalize!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :upyours: :sniper: :mp5: :headbang: :gundge:

Welcome.

Read this - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=410573

EDIT - As to this sex-toy business, I'm just sick and tired of the government trying to legislate a puritannical moral code. From TV and book censors to sodomy laws to laws against sextoys, the government just needs to get off our ass. Unless they can prove, and I mean *prove* an actual problem they are remedying they have no right to legislate on an issue, period.

Well finally, I'm glad some people have sense. Though I don't think the law goes far enough. It should also ban all two dimentional device designed to stimulate the genitals.

Well finally, I'm glad some people have sense. Though I don't think the law goes far enough. It should also ban all two dimentional device designed to stimulate the genitals.

Blast! It appears he's on to my newest invention - Vibrating Notebook paper. Oh well, I can always break the 4-d vibrator out of storage. Not only will it stimulate your gentials now, you can send it back in time and stimulate people's genitals from the 1800's. Loads of fun I tell you.

Notebook paper is three dimensional, but just barely so.

Notebook paper is three dimensional, but just barely so.

I know. I just couldn't make 'theoretical geometric plane X' sound sexy.:)

What about people who use veggies? Are they going to bann cucumbers, corn and other phallic veggies? What about bottles, sticks and such. Not that I practice this, but some people do....
Geez, why dont they just make sex in general completely illegal and make people adopt test tube babies.....
Fuck. Sexual prudes annoy me... Go get laid then tell me you still want to ban play toys.

I know. I just couldn't make 'theoretical geometric plane X' sound sexy.
Oh, say it again...

To wit: Senate Bill 3794 (House Bill 3798), legislation that would make it illegal to sell, advertise, publish or exhibit to another person “any three-dimensional device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs….”

They'd simply be marketed as 'massage' devices again, like in the early twntieth century and late 19th even, I think..

Oh, and they used to be prescribed by psychologists, it's not as strange as you might think..

It's come to a point where I've completely given up. Not on life, but America and almost anything assosciated with it.

Why is gratification seen as a sin? Mainly because Christian Moralities Views are reinforced by your President, but by the majority of your population. That's why they are doing it, because the majority of your happy go lucky religious believers disagree with it, if it isn't their way, it's not going to happy. You have yourself to blame America.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

You used to be an amazing country, look what it's become, a joke to all free thinking nations of the world.

:gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge:

The Hon. SIN Richmond,
Lord over Happiness In A Pill

Also, do they plan to cut off the hands of people who M*****bate if sex store officials say to use that instead... the plot thickens :P

The Hon. SIN Richmond
Lord over Happiness In A Pill

Cause women havin' fun without men ought to be illegal! :)

Cause women havin' fun without men ought to be illegal! :)
Considering the likely sexual abilities of these men, your statement ought to be shortened to "Cause women havin' fun ought to be illegal."

geez they have one of the biggest adult stores in the country in nashville.

maybe if they renamed them "marital aids" instead of dildos they would be respectable?

in this day and age when legislators freak out over the loss of tax revenues to internet and mail order sales why would these guys push a thriving business out of state and lose all that tax money??

well all know that congress could use a nice little butt plug here or there. bunch of stiffs they are.

Have you ever been stabbed with one of those revolving dildos in the eye? No?
How about an ordinary vibrating one? No?
Or the clitoral stimulator, hm?

I thought not! All thanks to this new and wonderful law governing the availability of sex toys.

Now.. did you say you owned an assault rifle?
Really!?
Oh wow, it's so big, can I hold it?
Cool! You're such a star! :D

The Bible tells them so.

Well at least the Bible does not urge people to have sex with children and infants.

I would like to inform those posters who are not aware of the fact that the poster, Dark Shadowy Nexus, has made a thread telling others of his 'desires' for children and he thinks having sex with children is 'normal'.

He shouts down anyone who thinks children should NOT be abused as 'far right loonies'.

He is nothing more than an evil degenerate, I only hope the FBI catches up with you some day.

Mainly because Christian Moralities Views are reinforced by your President, but by the majority of your population. That's why they are doing it, because the majority of your happy go lucky religious believers disagree with it, if it isn't their way, it's not going to happy. You have yourself to blame America.

What Christian Moralities has the US Federal government and the Presidential Executive promoted?

Considering the likely sexual abilities of these men, your statement ought to be shortened to "Cause women havin' fun ought to be illegal."

Watchu sayin' 'bout men-folk?

what a load of moralistic toss. i bet that was a "christian" inspired bit of legislation :rolleyes:

Well at least the Bible does not urge people to have sex with children and infants.

I would like to inform those posters who are not aware of the fact that the poster, Dark Shadowy Nexus, has made a thread telling others of his 'desires' for children and he thinks having sex with children is 'normal'.

He shouts down anyone who thinks children should NOT be abused as 'far right loonies'.

He is nothing more than an evil degenerate, I only hope the FBI catches up with you some day.

does this have something to do with the topic?

i dont care what DSN has said in another topic. it has no bearing on this one or on real life.

you may want to try to get a little perspective. or maybe a nap.

does this have something to do with the topic?

i dont care what DSN has said in another topic. it has no bearing on this one or on real life.

you may want to try to get a little perspective. or maybe a nap.

Kravania

Believes a theocracy is best for everyone.

He has stated many outrages things in this forum.

maybe they're just really bad in the sack, and can't deal with the competition of a lawn mower engine attached to a phallic shaped object.

Lawn mower engine??? :eek:
You so have to show me where you got that one...

what a load of moralistic toss. i bet that was a "christian" inspired bit of legislation :rolleyes:


Probably. Though I could well imagine a bunch of Muslim men cheering them on...

what a load of moralistic toss. i bet that was a "christian" inspired bit of legislation :rolleyes:

I wouldn't doubt it for a single second.

Sex Toys--what are legislators so afraid of?
Religiously conservative voters taking their power away.

I remember reading about the banning of sex toys in the south and how it is significant that guns are legal there, so in effect, they consider sex toys more dangerous than guns. Of course, you could argue that guns don't kill people, people do, but then you could argue that dildos don't sin, people do. Just as owning a gun doesn't mean you kill people, owning a sex toy doesn't mean you use it. Maybe you just bought it to scare state officials away.

I remember reading about the banning of sex toys in the south and how it is significant that guns are legal there, so in effect, they consider sex toys more dangerous than guns. Of course, you could argue that guns don't kill people, people do, but then you could argue that dildos don't sin, people do. Just as owning a gun doesn't mean you kill people, owning a sex toy doesn't mean you use it. Maybe you just bought it to scare state officials away.

*roflmao
You can use them against your government when it turns tyrannical, right? :D

Probably. Though I could well imagine a bunch of Muslim men cheering them on...
mm good point... ok, say a "religously" inspired load of toss then and its ok ;)

mm good point... ok, say a "religously" inspired load of toss then and its ok ;)

I always knew that religions were the one source of evil in this world... trying to take away all the fun, and promissing to only give it back after we're dead. That just has to be a hoax.

I always knew that religions were the one source of evil in this world... trying to take away all the fun, and promissing to only give it back after we're dead. That just has to be a hoax.
organised religion *nods*
i think personal spitiruality can be far more permissive and far, far less stupid

Probably. Though I could well imagine a bunch of Muslim men cheering them on...
Christianity = Islam in my eyes.

*roflmao
You can use them against your government when it turns tyrannical, right?

Indeed

Stupid fuckers trying to legislate morality
what exactly do sex toys have to do with morality?

No sex toys?
I wonder how long it'll take to outlaw masturbation........

what exactly do sex toys have to do with morality?

Is there any other motivation to try and outlaw them?

Next step they'll be treying to outlaw sex outside of marriage.

What was that? Was that you rolling in your grave, Orwell?

Next step they'll be treying to outlaw sex outside of marriage.

What was that? Was that you rolling in your grave, Orwell?

He wouldn't dare... he knows they are watching him. :D

Is there any other motivation to try and outlaw them?
I can't really think of any motivation to outlaw them that makes any kind of sense at all morality or otherwise.

He is nothing more than an evil degenerate, I only hope the FBI catches up with you some day.
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I can't really think of any motivation to outlaw them that makes any kind of sense at all morality or otherwise.

I know from sad experience that a good number of "Christians" are rather fixated on the parts in the bible regulating one's sexual life... and that they are all too eager to force everyone to follow their interpretation.

And honestly, this is the only group of people I ever encountered who are actually trying to legislate people's sex life. Nobody else is interested in doing that, at least nobody I ever came across.

Therefore, I deduct that this group of people must be making another attempt at forcing their idea of morals into legilation...

I know from sad experience that a good number of "Christians" are rather fixated on the parts in the bible regulating one's sexual life... and that they are all too eager to force everyone to follow their interpretation.

And honestly, this is the only group of people I ever encountered who are actually trying to legislate people's sex life. Nobody else is interested in doing that, at least nobody I ever came across.

Therefore, I deduct that this group of people must be making another attempt at forcing their idea of morals into legilation...
yeah, I see what you are saying. I don't have any "bedroom rules" that most people think Christians should have, well 2 rules, but they are more related to my marriage in general
1 don't cheat
2 don't cheat

LOL.

Lawn mower engine??? :eek:
You so have to show me where you got that one...
haha...throwback to Mrs. Doubtfire...it was on TV while I was writing.

although, I'm sure I could rig something up...

What really scares me is the lack of specificity in the law. Technically, "any three-dimensional device used primarily for the stimulation of genital organs" could refer to Playboy's, Maxim's, and Viagra. Heck, if you are a bit out of the mainstream, a Payless Shoe Store newspaper special could fit that description. So how exactly are we to decipher what is and is not illegal under that law?

No sex toys?
I wonder how long it'll take to outlaw masturbation........

http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/index.asp

Wow- America really does suck after all.

So now we have to go to a dildo bootlegger?......hell how ridiculous.

http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/index.asp

Please tell me you people realize that that's not real...

Next step they'll be treying to outlaw sex outside of marriage.

What was that? Was that you rolling in your grave, Orwell?Georgia is way ahead of you...
(http://www.ageofconsent.com/georgia.htm)

I, um, have posted for no reason just now! I wonder what I was thinking. You'd best move on to the next post. There definitely isn't any other text in this one.

Quoted from Neuronia's post: Please tell me you people realize that that's not real...

C'mon, don't give it away so quickly! I wanted to see if I could elicit some funny responses...

Georgia is way ahead of you...
(http://www.ageofconsent.com/georgia.htm)


Ack!

Well at least the Bible does not urge people to have sex with children and infants.

I would like to inform those posters who are not aware of the fact that the poster, Dark Shadowy Nexus, has made a thread telling others of his 'desires' for children and he thinks having sex with children is 'normal'.

He shouts down anyone who thinks children should NOT be abused as 'far right loonies'.

He is nothing more than an evil degenerate, I only hope the FBI catches up with you some day.

I did a search on this and didn't find too much...part of that is for my own laziness. Because of my laziness, and because I believe people are innocent until proven guilty, enlighten us here.

hahaha, any three-dimensional device! oy vey

Dildos are illegal in Texas too. They still sell them mind you. But they have to call them "anatomically correct condom education models." Absurd, no?

And for years you couldn't buy cock rings here either. You had to buy "napkin rings." Such is the south.


From the Austin Chronicle:

"Obscene devices" -- defined as anything, including a dildo, vibrator, or artificial vagina, "designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs" -- can't be sold in the state of Texas (or in Georgia, for those keeping track), except for "a bona fide medical, psychiatric, judicial, legislative, or law enforcement purpose." If you can prove you're using those models to demonstrate how to put on a condom, that's fine. If you're thinking about using them for a more personal sort of education, that's not. (Oddly, the law doesn't prevent people from owning sexual devices; it just makes selling them illegal. But don't let your collection get out of hand: If you're hiding more than six dongs in your closet, that's intent to "promote" -- a class A misdemeanor.)

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2000-08-11/xtra_feature2.html


I'm kind of currious what they mean by "law enforcement purpose" though. :eek:

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Also from the above article:

"...Planet K got stung by Cates' successor Jack Kelly, for selling a plastic inflatable sheep."

**ROTFLMAO**

And for years you couldn't buy cock rings here either. You had to buy "napkin rings." Such is the south.

ohmygod the number of obscene jokes that spring to mind!

"whoa, im not going to use the napkin at thanksgiving dinner in austin!"

Like all conservatives, they fear a free Marketplace of Ideas, becasue they know, if given the choice, people will choose a more pleasurable lifestyle over their outdated stoicism.

..I mean, my god, if there wasn't a law, somebody might try to actually use one of these terrible devices on one of them!

And what's worse, they might enjoy it! Just think of the guilt and stress that would put them under and how because of that stress they might yell at their children.

Won't somebody think of the children?!

The only thing that might be worse is if gay marriage was legal and they suddenly got an urge to marry someone of the same sex. Why, if there was no law to stop them, who knows what might happen! They might start unintentionally cheating on their wives with their gay lover! Thank goodness for the American Legislature.

ohmygod the number of obscene jokes that spring to mind!

"whoa, im not going to use the napkin at thanksgiving dinner in austin!"

And when shopping for dinner linnens, I just can't help but think of...well...you get the idea. All those decorative napkin rings. It would be like dressing it up in shiny jewlery! :p

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what exactly do sex toys have to do with morality?

Sex is supposed to be for procreation only, so sex without intent to procreate (or sexual acts, which includes blow jobs, anal, oral, toys, same sex, hand jobs, etc) are all immoral.

That's the logic, anyway. Personally I think that line of reasoning is a load of crap; the religious side the still lives in me would say that God made it feel good for a reason, as well as all the emotional mumbo jumbo that results from it. Otherwise, we'd get as much pleasure from it as cats do - none!

I'm kind of currious what they mean by "law enforcement purpose" though. :eek:Maybe they think criminals are more likely to surrender if you threaten to whack them over the head with a giant dildo..
(Or promise to use it on them in another way)

“any three-dimensional device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs….”

Heh, any 3-D object. So use of 2-D vibrators is allowed? Quite what use they would be I am not sure.....

for "a bona fide medical, psychiatric, judicial, legislative, or law enforcement purpose."

I cannot be the only one that finds that scary..... I dont want the police to beat me up with a rubber wang. Truncheons yes, but not the fake willies.

And besides, stimulation can be very therapeutic, so that could come under the heading of medical and psychiatric.


"...Planet K got stung by Cates' successor Jack Kelly, for selling a plastic inflatable sheep." Heh, and I can buy them from vending machines :P

No shit, in Manchester I really did find a pub with an inflateable thingies vending machine. Had Inflatable Women, Inflateable Sheep, And VIBROTRON!(tm)

Heh, any 3-D object. So use of 2-D vibrators is allowed? Quite what use they would be I am not sure.....



I cannot be the only one that finds that scary..... I dont want the police to bea tme up with a rubber wang. Truncheons yes, but not the fake willies.

And besides, stimulation can be very therapeutic, so that could come under the heading of medical and psychiatric.


Heh, and I can buy them from vending machines :P

No shit, in Manchester I really did find a pub with an inflateable thingies vending machine. Had Inflatable Women, Inflateable Sheep, And VIBROTRON!(tm)


What the hell is a Vibratron (tm)? Is it a standard vibrator, or something more? Does it have super powers? Does it dance?

Its a vibrating rubber cock ring.

You can race them across tables and drop them in peoples drinks when they are not looking (its considered impolite to do that if the Vibrotron(tm) has been used though....)

:D

They're afraid that a cult of vagina worshipers will take the land by storm.

Actually... that would be a marked improvement over the current political situation.

Wow, just another atrocity from the braindead Christian right-wing loonies! :sniper: :upyours:
They should all be sodomized with "three-dimensional devices designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs" until they can't sit for one week! :D

Blast! It appears he's on to my newest invention - Vibrating Notebook paper. Oh well, I can always break the 4-d vibrator out of storage. Not only will it stimulate your gentials now, you can send it back in time and stimulate people's genitals from the 1800's. Loads of fun I tell you.
Whoa, great stuff! Do I get a rebate if I order a dozen? :D

I'm kind of currious what they mean by "law enforcement purpose" though. :eek:

.Handcuffs.

Maybe that was the 11th Commandment: "Thou shalt have no three-dimensional graven images of the male member to be used for the pleasure of the female, lest ye die."

[Note: This is a non-partisan rant, as the bill I'll be discussing below is apparently a bipartisan monstrosity.

It's easy to poke fun at such situations, but I'm really interested at the underlying psychology of this fear of female sexuality. Any ideas?
Nice to see you doing anything "non-partisan." Must really hurt, eh? :D

As any male who has helped a female partner explore her sexuality knows, female sexuality is a bottomless pit ( pun intended ). I mean, unlimited orgasms, spontaneous orgams, whole-body orgams, squirting ... it's enough to make a male jealous. And apparently enough to make some males indulge themselves in denial behavior, such as trying to pass laws against things which might enable women to discover their sexuality.

As to why this should be so threatening to men? Perhaps they just have issues about their own masculinity? :D

Outlawing sex toys makes about as much sense as making them mandatory...though I can see the fun in doing so for certain government officials.

What do expect from a bunch of sexually deprived middle aged men.
They want to spoil the fun for everyone since they can't :p

As any male who has helped a female partner explore her sexuality knows, female sexuality is a bottomless pit ( pun intended ). I mean, unlimited orgasms, spontaneous orgams, whole-body orgams, squirting ... it's enough to make a male jealous. And apparently enough to make some males indulge themselves in denial behavior, such as trying to pass laws against things which might enable women to discover their sexuality.

As to why this should be so threatening to men? Perhaps they just have issues about their own masculinity? :D

Hey, it makes me envious (but not really jealous ;) /pedant). But it's also fun...

And men have genitals that can be stimulated with three-dimensional devices too... Do they suffer not only from clitoris(et al)-envy, but also a lack of imagination?

What is the genuine reason for all this silliness? Has anyone found out?

If everybody masturbated more, the world would be a happier place.

ROFLMFAO! Require all cucumbers and sausages to be sold pre-sliced! That's rich!

Yeah, I would like to see them try to outlaw m******bation. How wouldl they enforce that? (*looks around for hidden cameras in the bedroom)

ROFLMFAO! Require all cucumbers and sausages to be sold pre-sliced! That's rich!

Yeah, I would like to see them try to outlaw m******bation. How wouldl they enforce that? (*looks around for hidden cameras in the bedroom)

And they'll probably ban things like bananas too. ;)

And they'll probably ban things like bananas too. ;)
Now see there? That's something *I've* never understood: bananas. I mean, that's just ... messy! Bananas are kinda soft, and if there's any gripping power at all ... nevermind. It's too difficult to concentrate on bananas just now. :D

The senate's an all-male organization, right? That explains things a little.

Hey, it makes me envious (but not really jealous ;) /pedant). But it's also fun...

And men have genitals that can be stimulated with three-dimensional devices too... Do they suffer not only from clitoris(et al)-envy, but also a lack of imagination?

What is the genuine reason for all this silliness? Has anyone found out?
There is no "genuine" reason. These are the American equivalent of the Taliban. They view female sexuality as subversive. They're not sure why it's subversive, but it's subversive, damnit! Virtually all repressive regimes have attempted to prohibit most forms of sexuality, especially female sexuality. I strongly syspect that if these dementoids got their way, the US would be joining the ranks of nations where female genital mutilation is allowed. :(

The senate's an all-male organization, right? That explains things a little.
The US Senate isn't all male. This is a state legislature we're talking about; not real sure which one but I think it was in the OP.

will the legislators outlaw cucumbers and carrots also?

just curious...

seriously: i'm not from the states, but if i would i'd be pretty pissed off about seeing my tax money used in such "issues"...

The US Senate isn't all male. This is a state legislature we're talking about; not real sure which one but I think it was in the OP.

My mistake.

will the legislators outlaw cucumbers and carrots also?

just curious...

seriously: i'm not from the states, but if i would i'd be pretty pissed off about seeing my tax money used in such "issues"...
( shrug ) Not being a citizen of the State which is allowing such nonsense, I have no say in the matter. If they tried this sort of thing in North Carolina, however, I would be having a major hissy fit about it!

Legislators are like any other large group of people. Easily spooked by insignificant shit. This seems especially prevalent in the South, but it's everywhere. Add to that the nationwide problem of Puritan heritage clashing with capitalism's supply-and-demand, and you'll always have insipid crap like this showing up in lawmaking bodies.

I'd like to see conservative copitalists come out against this bill using an argument that supports the businessmen and women who sell and manufacture sex toys. I know, I know, a dream, but wouldn't that be perfect?

( shrug ) Not being a citizen of the State which is allowing such nonsense, I have no say in the matter. If they tried this sort of thing in North Carolina, however, I would be having a major hissy fit about it!
I don't think they are illegal here, we have stores that sell them. I do know that most porn is illegal, basically the porn you can get here is stuff you could see on network television..I have heard, I don't know from experience, so before anyone starts in....I just have heard.

oh, and I think it's idiotic. What goes on in an adult's "bedroom life" whether alone or with another consenting adult (heck with any number of consenting adults) is none of the government's business, it's not anyone's business.....unless you want it to be (eg. porn)

oh, and I think it's idiotic. What goes on in an adult's "bedroom life" whether alone or with another consenting adult (heck with any number of consenting adults) is none of the government's business, it's not anyone's business.....unless you want it to be (eg. porn)Must... resist... Rothenburg comment...

How can porn be illegal in the south....and how can sex toys to? I'm almost old enough to buy porn (sex-toys I think you don't need an age to buy...but would get some strange looks) and I live in the north. How can they 'outlaw' that?

Oh ya...cable TV stuff...Haha...there's far worse on the internet (which is unregulated by the states) which can be found with one search. I don't seriously think that anyone would ban such objects in a state, I've yet to see a label on any 'device' that would say, "Do not sell in the following states....."

Must... resist... Rothenburg comment...
you lost me........:confused:

you lost me........:confused:Whenver Sinuhue made an absolute statement about "What goes on in the bedroom is never anyone elses business as long as there's consent", I bring up the idea of consentual cannibalism in the bedroom. We had a case in Rothenburg of a man killing another and eating parts of him, with the latter's consent. I personally think that case goes to far ;)

Whenver Sinuhue made an absolute statement about "What goes on in the bedroom is never anyone elses business as long as there's consent", I bring up the idea of consentual cannibalism in the bedroom. We had a case in Rothenburg of a man killing another and eating parts of him, with the latter's consent. I personally think that case goes to far ;)

O.O Seriously?

Whenver Sinuhue made an absolute statement about "What goes on in the bedroom is never anyone elses business as long as there's consent", I bring up the idea of consentual cannibalism in the bedroom. We had a case in Rothenburg of a man killing another and eating parts of him, with the latter's consent. I personally think that case goes to far ;)
ah. thanks.

O.O Seriously?He's sueing the American director that's made a movie of the event just recently.

He's sueing the American director that's made a movie of the event just recently.

Wow....maybe the government should butt out of sex and everything else is allowed in the bedroom...

Well, at least local fruit markets are going to see a rise in business.

Whenver Sinuhue made an absolute statement about "What goes on in the bedroom is never anyone elses business as long as there's consent", I bring up the idea of consentual cannibalism in the bedroom. We had a case in Rothenburg of a man killing another and eating parts of him, with the latter's consent. I personally think that case goes to far ;)

It certainly sounds fucked-up, and it's not for me, but I suppose that if he can prove that the person consented, then there isn't much that people should be able to do. I don't know that it's really murder if someone consents to it; I kind of thought that murder implied a lack of consent. Same as rape...if someone consents to be raped, then it's not rape, but the person agreed to be raped, but it's impossible to consent to be raped...and I think I just went cross-eyed.

[Note: This is a non-partisan rant, as the bill I'll be discussing below is apparently a bipartisan monstrosity.]

Dildos. Vibrators. They seem to inspire fear and dread in some states in the US--in others, they're practically given out at the borders, to hear some tell the tale. I believe they're still illegal in Alabama, and if Tennessee has its way, they will be illegal there soon as well (http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/News/Political_Notes/2006/03/02/Down_With_Dildos_/index.shtml#). (I love the legal definition here.)

It's easy to poke fun at such situations, but I'm really interested at the underlying psychology of this fear of female sexuality. Any ideas?
The little-known 11th Commandment: Thou Shalt Make No Graven Images Of The Holy Member.

There are a lot of very insecure men out there. If womenfolks figure out that it's possible to have good sex, then all those poor husbands and boyfriends might have to start paying attention to that goddam annoying clitoris.

It certainly sounds fucked-up, and it's not for me, but I suppose that if he can prove that the person consented, then there isn't much that people should be able to do. I don't know that it's really murder if someone consents to it; I kind of thought that murder implied a lack of consent. Same as rape...if someone consents to be raped, then it's not rape, but the person agreed to be raped, but it's impossible to consent to be raped...and I think I just went cross-eyed.
If there's consent, it is not rape--the two are mutually exclusive. There is such a thing as rape fantasy, which is what you may be thinking of, but consent is at the heart of any charge of rape.

It certainly sounds fucked-up, and it's not for me, but I suppose that if he can prove that the person consented, then there isn't much that people should be able to do. I don't know that it's really murder if someone consents to it; I kind of thought that murder implied a lack of consent. Same as rape...if someone consents to be raped, then it's not rape, but the person agreed to be raped, but it's impossible to consent to be raped...and I think I just went cross-eyed.He's gone to jail on the account of "killing on demand" (Tötung auf Verlangen). However, there hasn't been any legislation on cannibalism here and that put the court in a tight fix.

If there's consent, it is not rape--the two are mutually exclusive. There is such a thing as rape fantasy, which is what you may be thinking of, but consent is at the heart of any charge of rape.

OK, something like that. Still, the idea of rape fantasy still smacks of consent to be raped...which is still a paradox. Then again, I am not the most sexual person on the planet either, so there's a lot I don't quite grasp.

OK, something like that. Still, the idea of rape fantasy still smacks of consent to be raped...which is still a paradox. Then again, I am not the most sexual person on the planet either, so there's a lot I don't quite grasp.

It's all part of that role playing stuff. Playing make-believe with your genitals, if you will.

OK, something like that. Still, the idea of rape fantasy still smacks of consent to be raped...which is still a paradox.Not really. Consent is saying yes, not thinking yes.

I'm not sure if anyone brought this up or not, but how are they gonig to outlaw all sex toys? Some people used the electric toothbrushes, others use showerheads and jacuzzi jets. The list goes on. Hell, I even saw a video of a girl humping a door to get satisfaction. Does that mean everything becomes outlawed?

I'd love to see how clothes get cleaned if washing machines and dryers are outlawed because they could be considered sex toys. I really don't see where the end could be and where the line could be drawn. If there's a will, people will find a way.

( shrug ) Not being a citizen of the State which is allowing such nonsense, I have no say in the matter. If they tried this sort of thing in North Carolina, however, I would be having a major hissy fit about it!
I think it is absolutely disgusting that ANYBODY is wasting their time (and tax dollars!!) on this kind of piddling crap. When every single child in Tennessee has enough to eat every night, when every household is free of domestic abuse, when everybody has a roof over their head, when the literacy rate is 100%, when they've made sure that every lost puppy in the state is returned to its owners...when they've taken care of that shit, and ballanced their fucking budget, maybe then they can justify spending some time on their hobby of hating women who enjoy sex.

The fact that anybody would even remotely consider diverting time and resources away from REAL PROBLEMS just so they can make sure no women get orgasms...well, that says it all, doesn't it? America would be better off if these people quit wasting our oxygen.

The fact that anybody would even remotely consider diverting time and resources away from REAL PROBLEMS just so they can make sure no women get orgasms...well, that says it all, doesn't it? America would be better off if these people quit wasting our oxygen.
Actually, I would feel sorry for them, if they weren't trying to legislate their own warped version of "morality." One of two things must be true about them: either they have never experienced really great sex, or they have but feel compelled to hide it and actually try to legislate against it. Whichever it is, they're sad little people. :(

Sad people who had equally sad supporters. How else could these walking wastes of oxygen get to where they are?

The little-known 11th Commandment: Thou Shalt Make No Graven Images Of The Holy Member.

There are a lot of very insecure men out there. If womenfolks figure out that it's possible to have good sex, then all those poor husbands and boyfriends might have to start paying attention to that goddam annoying clitoris.
ROFLMAO! Um ... I like paying attention to it, and beyond that, all the nice little structures around and behind it. :D

Option 1)

The Tennessee legislation feels that South Dakota is doing an admirable job going after the people that ARE having sex with others, and they want to get into the act by going after people who aren't.


Option 2)

They have determined, after carefull consideration of last year's hurricanes, earthquakes, and assorted plagues and disasters that the Lord IS in fact a dick, and so dildo contravene the "graven images" statutes of His law.

NUKE THE SOUTH! DEATH TO ALL THE WORLDS MAJOR OPPRESIVE RELIGIONS! IE: CHRISTAINITY, ISLAM, JUDIAISM!

:upyours:

WE ARE READY TO KILL FOR OUR SEXUAL RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!

good day eh! what a waste of tax payers money - just cut off at birth everybody's fingers, hands, arms, feet, legs and penis and sew up the vagina , rectum and stitch up the mouth and any other orifac, ban all other objects that can be used for carnal pleasure whether they be organic or manmade ---- there resolved - have to go now - need to go fishing -- food:fluffle:

Does ANYONE here think there is anything bad to be said about the use of sex toys? Are there ANY maladies connected to sex toy that I'm unaware of? Is there anything to discuss, or do we all agree?

Does ANYONE here think there is anything bad to be said about the use of sex toys? Are there ANY maladies connected to sex toy that I'm unaware of? Is there anything to discuss, or do we all agree?

I don't think the use is bad...or any 'maladies' come from them...provided they are clean and not shared...

Option 2)

They have determined, after carefull consideration of last year's hurricanes, earthquakes, and assorted plagues and disasters that the Lord IS in fact a dick, and so dildo contravene the "graven images" statutes of His law.
That's funny. :D

Stupid fuckers trying to legislate morality

yea because we know that all parents raise their children with morals, then we have prostitutes at the age of 13 and younger being legal. while we're at it why dont we just have concubines, and slaves again everyone enjoys that^^ *refering how things degrade* and yes there are MANY 13 and younger prostitutes even in america, sadly.

Oh, come on. This will go the route of sodomy laws. The wording makes it illegal for my girlfriend to show hers to me. It makes it illegal for my girlfriend to buy one or own one in the state of TN. This is a clear an unlawful leap into the bedroom. It's a violation of privacy and the SCOTUS will have a field day with this if someone else doesn't trash it first. I know all of these states think the new court is going to allow them to throw our rights out the window, but I think they're in for a rude awaking. It very much seems the new members are fans of stare decisis and of the ninth and fourteenth amendments.

I think it is absolutely disgusting that ANYBODY is wasting their time (and tax dollars!!) on this kind of piddling crap. When every single child in Tennessee has enough to eat every night, when every household is free of domestic abuse, when everybody has a roof over their head, when the literacy rate is 100%, when they've made sure that every lost puppy in the state is returned to its owners...when they've taken care of that shit, and ballanced their fucking budget, maybe then they can justify spending some time on their hobby of hating women who enjoy sex.

The fact that anybody would even remotely consider diverting time and resources away from REAL PROBLEMS just so they can make sure no women get orgasms...well, that says it all, doesn't it? America would be better off if these people quit wasting our oxygen.

I know I'm usually quick to jump on you for hyperbole, but I have to agree here. It's amazing that the entire state doesn't start a lynching party when legislatures are worrying about something this silly while the state continues to have the problems it does. Some days a little part of me wishes that certain states had been successful in seceding from the union.