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I hear on the news about protestors upset about power plants. They protest any new plants, but offer no suggetions to keep the lights on.

every five seconds I see some industral property being made into freehold town homes. Then I hear about lay offs at factories and the resulting people loosing their homes.

They complain about unemploymeny and homlessness, bur raise industral taxes, put regulations against heavy industry, ect, so that the few jobs that are avilable are requiring a university degree.

complain about our national soverigty at stake, but also complian if anyone suggests funding the military a little bit more.

like seriously, what does canada want to become? if we keep this BS up, we'll loose our first world ranking. No industry, no military, and if the hippies get their way, rolling black outs FFS

Oh youve gone and done it now....you've said something derogatory about Canada! *flees*

like seriously, what does canada want to become? if we keep this BS up, we'll loose our first world ranking. No industry, no military, and if the hippies get their way, rolling black outs FFS

When did canada become a first world nation? Sarcasm

Every country has their problems. Look at the US.
How about, instead of asking what's wrong, you think up ways to improve it, or ask other people's ideas?
Complaining doesn't get people nearly as far.

And who says Canada isn't a first world nation? Is it a third?

Oh youve gone and done it now....you've said something derogatory about Canada! *flees*
IM allowed, Im Canadian

While there are some extreme folk involved, I'm pretty sure that Canada's on about as good a track as possible these days. Our military may not be the overgorged behemoth of our southern neighbours, but what we lack in size we make up for with training and, get this, sensible deployment. If you don't invade countries every decade, you suddenly don't need a monolithic defense budget. I'm pro-nuclear myself so I can't speak for the legions of hippies.

like seriously, what does canada want to become? if we keep this BS up, we'll loose our first world ranking. No industry, no military, and if the hippies get their way, rolling black outs FFS

Just play a little Slayer, that should scare them off.

Oh youve gone and done it now....you've said something derogatory about Canada! *flees*
Oh no! NO! The horror! The horror! :eek:

Oh youve gone and done it now....you've said something derogatory about Canada! *flees*

People stick up for good countries.

if we keep this BS up, we'll loose our first world ranking.
Wow, I must've missed out on that. Ranked by whose standards, OP?

As a (very proud) Canadian citizen, I can say that we are indeed one of the best places on earth. We don't have many problems, and those we have are, comparitively, small. Look at the US-- white people get shot for going into "black neighbourhoods"! (Not saying the USA is incredibly bad, but they have a lot of problems.)

Wow, I must've missed out on that. Ranked by whose standards, OP?

Its in the G7? :P

as for our military, since im going into soon, I really wouldnt mind something better then a light jeep for my 'amoured" unit.

When did canada become a first world nation? Sarcasm

I'd like to see you argue why it wouldn't be.

Here's a few from me:

#1: We haven't had a decent power plant built in the US in over 25 years. We're running on a grid that hasn't been updated effectively since 1970.

Give incentives to build new Generation Nuclear plants.

#2: More consumer incentives to install solar and wind systems. The current tech is too expensive (I've read Japan is producing cheaper hi effic. stuff but just starting) so is not economical. This will reduce load on the grid.

#3: Incentives to istall Hi Efficiency lighting systems in factories and stores. The current Magnetic HID ballasts are reliable but innefficient. Modern Electronic ballasts are just as reliable and have efficiencies in the 90%+ range. Some estimates say that if all the factories/major stores in the US went to such system it would reduce grid load over 25%

#4: incentives for factories to return to the US by making it economical to actually produce here again and to install eco friendly systems.

IMO, the amount of business/jobs that this would generate as well as the better use of the grid, would more than compensate for the loss in revenue from the provided incentives.

Its in the G7? :P

as for our military, since im going into soon, I really wouldnt mind something better then a light jeep for my 'amoured" unit.
Well, tough-o, soon-to-be guy-with-a-gun. Guess you should re-think your vocation.

I'd like to see you argue why it wouldn't be.

Perhaps you'd like to highlight my post and reread it?

Perhaps you'd like to highlight my post and reread it?

Oh, sorry! I don't normally do a lot of highlighting unless I'm being particularily sneaky myself. He knows too much. Dispatch the Stealth Moose Bomber.

I hear on the news about protestors upset about power plants. They protest any new plants, but offer no suggetions to keep the lights on.

I suppose they think that we can just build a power plant on every river, windy hill, or hamster wheel. I agree with you on this. They hate nuclear, despise coal, and hate the idea of dams for hydroelectric power due to the harm it does to the environment. But they sure as hell want to crank the heat in the winter...

every five seconds I see some industral property being made into freehold town homes. Then I hear about lay offs at factories and the resulting people loosing their homes.

In all fairness, these industrial properties tend to be businesses that have sold out anyway, and the fact that someone thinks they can fill it with tenants is usually a good sign for the economy.

They complain about unemploymeny and homlessness, bur raise industral taxes, put regulations against heavy industry, ect, so that the few jobs that are avilable are requiring a university degree.

I believe the government trend for the last 12 years has been to reduce taxes for industry, and to aid industry through grants. Our unemployment has dropped in that time. And most of my friends who went to university, ended up going to college when they were done because univeristy was too 'pie in the sky'. And homelessness is a serious issue. Nothing wrong with complaining about that.

complain about our national soverigty at stake, but also complian if anyone suggests funding the military a little bit more.

I have to agree whole-heartedly. I've always been a little confused by the Left-leaning thinking that government should create jobs, yet dislike the state doing just that with the military. Also, by reducing our military, we are relying on foreign assistance (i.e. USA) for continental defense and mobilization of forces.

like seriously, what does canada want to become? if we keep this BS up, we'll loose our first world ranking. No industry, no military, and if the hippies get their way, rolling black outs FFS

Relax. Canadians' need for warm homes and the CBC will keep the public interest in power generation. Alberta has incredible energy reserves, and despite all the rhetoric, we have a strong economic/stategic tie with the world's foremost economic/military power. We're not going to become a 3rd world nation (unless we all die in a horrible nuclear fire from an Iranian nuclear arsenal that we couldn't shoot down because we didn't sign on to ballistic missile defense :p ).

Here's a few from me:

#4: incentives for factories to return to the US by making it economical to actually produce here again and to install eco friendly systems.

When a factory can move overseas and pay a person a buck or two a day, and no benifits, there's nothing we can do. 0% tax rate, free property, free power, if the gov't offered all that they'd still save money moving elsewhere...

If I could ever remember Canada's capitol, or if they ever moved it to Toronto, I'd comment. :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Secord


It's all her fault. If not for her Canada would be a part of the USA and this issue wouldn't exist. BTW I am a canadian citizen (unfortunately) born and raised in northern ontario so dont give me any "your just an ignorant american" crap.

I hear on the news about protestors upset about power plants. They protest any new plants, but offer no suggetions to keep the lights on.

every five seconds I see some industral property being made into freehold town homes. Then I hear about lay offs at factories and the resulting people loosing their homes.

They complain about unemploymeny and homlessness, bur raise industral taxes, put regulations against heavy industry, ect, so that the few jobs that are avilable are requiring a university degree.

complain about our national soverigty at stake, but also complian if anyone suggests funding the military a little bit more.

like seriously, what does canada want to become? if we keep this BS up, we'll loose our first world ranking. No industry, no military, and if the hippies get their way, rolling black outs FFS
You are just a typical scumbag Canadian. You bitch, and bitch, and bitch, but never offer any solutions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Secord


It's all her fault. If not for her Canada would be a part of the USA and this issue wouldn't exist. BTW I am a canadian citizen (unfortunately) born and raised in northern ontario so dont give me any "your just an ignorant american" crap.
w00t! Laura!

I hear on the news about protestors upset about power plants. They protest any new plants, but offer no suggetions to keep the lights on.

every five seconds I see some industral property being made into freehold town homes. Then I hear about lay offs at factories and the resulting people loosing their homes.

They complain about unemploymeny and homlessness, bur raise industral taxes, put regulations against heavy industry, ect, so that the few jobs that are avilable are requiring a university degree.

complain about our national soverigty at stake, but also complian if anyone suggests funding the military a little bit more.

like seriously, what does canada want to become? if we keep this BS up, we'll loose our first world ranking. No industry, no military, and if the hippies get their way, rolling black outs FFS

I've got a crazy suggestion for you ... it's called DEMAND SIDE MANAGEMENT. We are the biggest power wasters in the world because cowardly government after cowardly government (left, right and centrist) subsidizes the cost of our energy. If people had to pay electricity rates that reflected the cost of production (and especially rates that increase with consumption to reflect the increased marginal cost of production), we wouldn't need to be expanding production. Problem Solved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Secord


It's all her fault. If not for her Canada would be a part of the USA and this issue wouldn't exist. BTW I am a canadian citizen (unfortunately) born and raised in northern ontario so dont give me any "your just an ignorant american" crap.

How about "your just an ignorant Canadian" crap? If Canada was part of the US, the US would have 33 million more left-leaning voters. Tips the scale against right-wing dominance in the states, and we're back at square 1.

So, tell me again why it's unfortunate to be a Canadian citizen? Or is it unfortunate that you were born and raised in Northern Ontario? (So was I by the way...)

Just play a little Slayer, that should scare them off.

I prefer the Priest, myself, for the scaring of hippies.

I've got a crazy suggestion for you ... it's called DEMAND SIDE MANAGEMENT. We are the biggest power wasters in the world because cowardly government after cowardly government (left, right and centrist) subsidizes the cost of our energy. If people had to pay electricity rates that reflected the cost of production (and especially rates that increase with consumption to reflect the increased marginal cost of production), we wouldn't need to be expanding production. Problem Solved.

So let me get this straight; reduce waste, and population growth and energy consumption will never increase? Somehow, people will need less running water and heat for their homes? Don't get me wrong, I understand the need for power conservation, but a growing population has growing energy needs.

I hear on the news about protestors upset about power plants. They protest any new plants, but offer no suggetions to keep the lights on.

every five seconds I see some industral property being made into freehold town homes. Then I hear about lay offs at factories and the resulting people loosing their homes.

They complain about unemploymeny and homlessness, bur raise industral taxes, put regulations against heavy industry, ect, so that the few jobs that are avilable are requiring a university degree.

complain about our national soverigty at stake, but also complian if anyone suggests funding the military a little bit more.

like seriously, what does canada want to become? if we keep this BS up, we'll loose our first world ranking. No industry, no military, and if the hippies get their way, rolling black outs FFS

And it would appear that the education system is turning out people who have poor spelling, grammar, and an inability to back up any arguments they may have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Secord


It's all her fault. If not for her Canada would be a part of the USA and this issue wouldn't exist. BTW I am a canadian citizen (unfortunately) born and raised in northern ontario so dont give me any "your just an ignorant american" crap.
Thank God for Laura Secord's faults. As for the rest well...you're an ungrateful northern Ontarian, and ignorant to boot. If you truly feel it's unfortunate to be a Canadian citizen, emigrate, post-haste.

Thank God for Laura Secord's faults. As for the rest well...you're an ungrateful northern Ontarian, and ignorant to boot. If you truly feel it's unfortunate to be a Canadian citizen, emigrate, post-haste.

But the US would be such a better country if Canada were part of it.

But the US would be such a better country if Canada were part of it.
I doubt that with all sincerity. I rather think it's far more likely that Canada would be a far less enticing place to be today had the worst come to pass.

Its in the G7?
I think you're a bit behind on things, it is the G8, and I do believe that Canada is part of NATO and something to do with the UN Security Council (although I am a little hazy on that these days). I was stationed in Canada for a while some years back, it's a beautiful country and has relatively few problems... Well less than say the USA, the UK, Ireland, Iraq, Iran, Somalia, South Africa, China and the DRC to name but a few.

So let me get this straight; reduce waste, and population growth and energy consumption will never increase? Somehow, people will need less running water and heat for their homes? Don't get me wrong, I understand the need for power conservation, but a growing population has growing energy needs.

If you halved electricity consumption (which is entirely possible with current technology at negligible cost), then there would be spare capacity for quite some time to come. Besides, the population needs to stop growing anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Secord


It's all her fault. If not for her Canada would be a part of the USA and this issue wouldn't exist. BTW I am a canadian citizen (unfortunately) born and raised in northern ontario so dont give me any "your just an ignorant american" crap.

Laura Secord didn't save Canada. The British already had the information by the time she showed up.