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Yeah. I got a rant.

I got a big rant.

I'm gonna give my rant now and you may, or may not, enjoy it.

There's something I'm sick of and that thing is "self righteousness".

Oh, yeah, I know even before I give this rant that it's going to get a bunch of people with their various classic responses. It's going to be some "well that's life, dude" morons and "well that's because religion sucks" idiots and the "well that's because you don't accept Jesus" fuck-ups and the same old drivel I've seen time and time again.

So, I expect it, but it's my turn.

Why are you right?

That's all I want to know.

Why are you right?

I'll ask it in different languages:

Pourquoi avez-vous raison?
Warum haben Sie Recht?
¿Por qué tiene usted razón?
Perchè siete di destra?
Por que são você direito?
为什么你吗?

I don't want to be misunderstood here.

Why are you right?

I don't care why you think everyone else is wrong, I only want to know why you think you're right. What sets you apart? What makes you so universally special? What gives you the unmitigated gall to believe that every syllable that falls out of your gingivitis encrusted mouth is the absolute truth?

Yes, there's a reason I'm asking this question. No, I will not tell you that reason.

Just answer the question.

Hands you a special cooki--- screw it, I'll just hand you this.

*hands you a box of weed*

You earned it.

*hands you a box of weed*


You're awesome. :)

your gingivitis encrusted mouth

Thanks for that image in this sleepless night.

Yeah. I got a rant.

I got a big rant.

I'm gonna give my rant now and you may, or may not, enjoy it.

There's something I'm sick of and that thing is "self righteousness".

Oh, yeah, I know even before I give this rant that it's going to get a bunch of people with their various classic responses. It's going to be some "well that's life, dude" morons and "well that's because religion sucks" idiots and the "well that's because you don't accept Jesus" fuck-ups and the same old drivel I've seen time and time again.

So, I expect it, but it's my turn.

Why are you right?

That's all I want to know.

Why are you right?

I'll ask it in different languages:

Pourquoi avez-vous raison?
Warum haben Sie Recht?
¿Por qué tiene usted razón?
Perchè siete di destra?
Por que são você direito?
为什么你吗?

I don't want to be misunderstood here.

Why are you right?

I don't care why you think everyone else is wrong, I only want to know why you think you're right. What sets you apart? What makes you so universally special? What gives you the unmitigated gall to believe that every syllable that falls out of your gingivitis encrusted mouth is the absolute truth?

Yes, there's a reason I'm asking this question. No, I will not tell you that reason.

Just answer the question.

What if we just think no ones right?

Thanks for that image in this sleepless night.

Sorry. It was necessary.

What if we just think no ones right?

Then you are a blessing among men. You are the light of all light.

Provided, that is, you include yourself in "no ones right".

People usually consider it better to walk on the right side of the hallway, but it certainly isn't absolute.

Yes, in case you're wondering, I've just spent a couple of days with "religious" people.

Then you are a blessing among men. You are the light of all light.

Provided, that is, you include yourself in "no ones right".

Well insofar as once thinks that you can't know so I've got as much as a clue about whats out there as you do.

I don't care why you think everyone else is wrong, I only want to know why you think you're right. What sets you apart? What makes you so universally special? What gives you the unmitigated gall to believe that every syllable that falls out of your gingivitis encrusted mouth is the absolute truth?
That I am myself, and can verify my own existence? On the other hand, there is a very good possibility that at least one of you is merely the project of my deranged imagination, and since that one could be anyone, there is a chance that you (and therefore your opinions) are simply a product of misfiring neurons.

*looks at Keru's "rant"*

My god it is big......*drool*

Sorry darlin I couldnt resist. What is this all about? Is it for all the people in here who think their word is the gospel and how dare anyone argue with them? I coulda made one of these the other day myself...

I don't think I'm right. I think everyone's right, to one degree or another, if we're talking about religion.
I think I'm right... for me. :) I believe what I do because I've tried to find the similarities in religions, to get to the core meanings, instead of the peripheral crap that people tend to worry about.
This thread is great :) I am also driven crazy by people whose first response is, "I'm right because some other group is wrong..." Makes no sense to me. Reminds me of politicians, really.

Well insofar as once thinks that you can't know so I've got as much as a clue about whats out there as you do.

Unfortunately I have deluded myself into believing what's out there as I bow 5 times a day towards a big black box.

It took the wisdom of an 11 year old child to show me the error of my ways.

So I have made this thread to invite the world to show me why they think they're right.

That I am myself, and can verify my own existence? On the other hand, there is a very good possibility that at least one of you is merely the project of my deranged imagination, and since that one could be anyone, there is a chance that you (and therefore your opinions) are simply a product of misfiring neurons.

Methinks Violinbutt may be on to something ....

Unfortunately I have deluded myself into believing what's out there as I bow 5 times a day towards a big black box.

It took the wisdom of an 11 year old child to show me the error of my ways.

So I have made this thread to invite the world to show me why they think they're right.

When it comes to stuff like religion your going to be hard pressed to find anything concrete that proves anyones side. I'm interested in the 11 year old kid's wisdom though.

Sorry. It was necessary.

Oh, I can't stay mad at you. :fluffle:

Even if you did omit Swedish in the OP...

I'm not, or at least not always.

In every particular circumstance I think I'm right, because if I thought that what I thought was wrong, I wouldn't think it.

But I do realize that, almost certainly, a significant portion of the time I am wrong, since I am a fallible being and my access to information is incomplete.

Yes, in case you're wondering, I've just spent a couple of days with "religious" people.


Oh thats always fun..Part of the reason I opted out of going to bible college :)

Oh thats always fun..Part of the reason I opted out of going to bible college :)

Doesn't it suck?

Yeah. I got a rant.

I got a big rant.

I'm gonna give my rant now and you may, or may not, enjoy it.

There's something I'm sick of and that thing is "self righteousness".

Oh, yeah, I know even before I give this rant that it's going to get a bunch of people with their various classic responses. It's going to be some "well that's life, dude" morons and "well that's because religion sucks" idiots and the "well that's because you don't accept Jesus" fuck-ups and the same old drivel I've seen time and time again.

So, I expect it, but it's my turn.

Why are you right?

That's all I want to know.

Why are you right?

I'll ask it in different languages:

Pourquoi avez-vous raison?
Warum haben Sie Recht?
¿Por qué tiene usted razón?
Perchè siete di destra?
Por que são você direito?
为什么你吗?

I don't want to be misunderstood here.

Why are you right?

I don't care why you think everyone else is wrong, I only want to know why you think you're right. What sets you apart? What makes you so universally special? What gives you the unmitigated gall to believe that every syllable that falls out of your gingivitis encrusted mouth is the absolute truth?

Yes, there's a reason I'm asking this question. No, I will not tell you that reason.

Just answer the question.

Because we are the paragon of humanity. You may worship us.
From afar.

The above response is not meant to be taken seriously. Please don't. I'll laugh at you if you do.

I don't think the applies to me, but I can't resist.

I'm right because it pisses other off who think they're right when they're forced to confront it.
Of course, I know I've already explained my views on religion, and my religious views, but I can bring post again my justification if that's what the point of this topic is.
If it's from having been around a group of morons... well.. morons think they're right because they're morons.

Either way, Keruv, I hereby sanction you as a God in the Sumerian religion.
You can be Keruvalia, god of Muslimjewishhippyfunnyguystuffness. You're responsible for your own abbreviations.

You can be Keruvalia, god of Muslimjewishhippyfunnyguystuffness. You're responsible for your own abbreviations.

You're awesome. :D

Because we are the paragon of humanity. You may worship us.

Ok .... but will you give me mana from above? :D

You're awesome. :D

Sweet, I'm awesome now.
Do you take human sacrafice, animal sacrafice, or mastercard?

Doesn't it suck?


Yep...Especially since religion is the cause of terrorism, crusades, pogroms, massacre, mutilation, genocide, intolerance and persecution of "others' (gays, pagans, all that stuff)..

Thats why i surround myself with people of faith and sense(note that being one doesn't mean you have to be the other) Those people help the poor, saves lives, promote tolerance....no acceptance of EVERYONE, fight against violence and so on. I loathe religion and religious people.

Sweet, I'm awesome now.
Do you take human sacrafice, animal sacrafice, or mastercard?


Oh! Only the blood of the innocent. In no less than a cup pf 2 pints.

Oh! Only the blood of the innocent. In no less than a cup pf 2 pints.


Good, because I maxxed out my mastercard on porn Friday. :D

Ok .... but will you give me mana from above? :D
Our benevolence is such that we may send down mana from above.

Mana is available to order during business hours Monday-Friday. Local laws and regulations apply. Offer invalid in AZ, OK, TAS, Bhutan, and unspecified areas of the Democratic Republic of Congo. Please allow seven-ten working days for delivery from receipt of order. Business hours vary according to alcohol saturation and boredom. Product may contain traces of nuts.

Good, because I maxxed out my mastercard on porn Friday. :D

You paid for porn? That's just uneconomical.

I loathe religion and religious people.

I knew you'd step in here and I'm glad you did.

I known every religious/spiritual/insane person on these forums and the only one I had respect for was Zooke (and Fass), but I've learned to develop a respect for you in the same light.

Good answer.

Unfortunately, this forum is seeing me go through change. I announced my conversion to Islam on this forum as my breaking away fro Buddhism, but I may be returning to my Buddhist roots.

This forum may be about to see someone become apostate and, thus, hated by all but the most liberal Muslim circles.

Ain't that a hoot?

This forum may be about to see someone become apostate and, thus, hated by all but the most liberal Muslim circles.

Ain't that a hoot?

Welcome to my world. We can be shunned together.

Welcome to my world. We can be shunned together.

Awesome baby. :D

I knew you'd step in here and I'm glad you did.

I known every religious/spiritual/insane person on these forums and the only one I had respect for was Zooke (and Fass), but I've learned to develop a respect for you in the same light.

Good answer.

Unfortunately, this forum is seeing me go through change. I announced my conversion to Islam on this forum as my breaking away fro Buddhism, but I may be returning to my Buddhist roots.

This forum may be about to see someone become apostate and, thus, hated by all but the most liberal Muslim circles.

Ain't that a hoot?

*EA sets his Tivo to this channel and does a beer/pizza run.*

I loathe religion and religious people.

I don't know, loathing the people, unless they're shitheads, is a bit much.

I loathe . . . people.
Much better now.

Awesome baby. :D

Singular anathema alone together! Singular anathema alone together!

I don't know, loathing the people, unless they're shitheads, is a bit much.

Wait ... is the "shithead" a bottom or top? :D

Depends on how you define "head" I suppose...

Wait ... is the "shithead" a bottom or top? :D

I only rim. I don't do scat. Ask a republican, they'll know.

I'm sure as fuck not right. Neither are you. People are flawed. There is no absoute truth (I realized this while tripping on psilocybin mushrooms, so you might not trust it. I do, and all the more because of it. But just a warning). And yet, people feel the need to believe in it and that tere is purpose to life, so they created religion to set themselves apart, and reassure themselves. Yet another reason why we are all fucking stupid and need to die. I have a bit of a problem with religion as a whole, mind you.

Yeah. I got a rant.

I got a big rant.

I'm gonna give my rant now and you may, or may not, enjoy it.

There's something I'm sick of and that thing is "self righteousness".

Oh, yeah, I know even before I give this rant that it's going to get a bunch of people with their various classic responses. It's going to be some "well that's life, dude" morons and "well that's because religion sucks" idiots and the "well that's because you don't accept Jesus" fuck-ups and the same old drivel I've seen time and time again.

So, I expect it, but it's my turn.

Why are you right?

That's all I want to know.

Why are you right?

I'll ask it in different languages:

Pourquoi avez-vous raison?
Warum haben Sie Recht?
¿Por qué tiene usted razón?
Perchè siete di destra?
Por que são você direito?
为什么你吗?

I don't want to be misunderstood here.

Why are you right?

I don't care why you think everyone else is wrong, I only want to know why you think you're right. What sets you apart? What makes you so universally special? What gives you the unmitigated gall to believe that every syllable that falls out of your gingivitis encrusted mouth is the absolute truth?

Yes, there's a reason I'm asking this question. No, I will not tell you that reason.

Just answer the question.

Logic

Yeah. I got a rant.

I got a big rant.

I'm gonna give my rant now and you may, or may not, enjoy it.

There's something I'm sick of and that thing is "self righteousness".

Oh, yeah, I know even before I give this rant that it's going to get a bunch of people with their various classic responses. It's going to be some "well that's life, dude" morons and "well that's because religion sucks" idiots and the "well that's because you don't accept Jesus" fuck-ups and the same old drivel I've seen time and time again.

So, I expect it, but it's my turn.

Why are you right?

That's all I want to know.

Why are you right?

I'll ask it in different languages:

Pourquoi avez-vous raison?
Warum haben Sie Recht?
¿Por qué tiene usted razón?
Perchè siete di destra?
Por que são você direito?
为什么你吗?

I don't want to be misunderstood here.

Why are you right?

I don't care why you think everyone else is wrong, I only want to know why you think you're right. What sets you apart? What makes you so universally special? What gives you the unmitigated gall to believe that every syllable that falls out of your gingivitis encrusted mouth is the absolute truth?

Yes, there's a reason I'm asking this question. No, I will not tell you that reason.

Just answer the question.

Simple: Because nine out of the ten voices in my head agree with me. And they're all very wise. *nod*

...Well, except for that one fuckup voice that wants me to burn you all alive. :p

I know I'm right, but I don't care to explain it. It's a waste of my time, even compared to other forms of nsgen posting.

Yeah. I got a rant.

I got a big rant.

I'm gonna give my rant now and you may, or may not, enjoy it.

There's something I'm sick of and that thing is "self righteousness".

Oh, yeah, I know even before I give this rant that it's going to get a bunch of people with their various classic responses. It's going to be some "well that's life, dude" morons and "well that's because religion sucks" idiots and the "well that's because you don't accept Jesus" fuck-ups and the same old drivel I've seen time and time again.

So, I expect it, but it's my turn.

Why are you right?

That's all I want to know.

Why are you right?

I'll ask it in different languages:

Pourquoi avez-vous raison?
Warum haben Sie Recht?
¿Por qué tiene usted razón?
Perchè siete di destra?
Por que são você direito?
为什么你吗?

I don't want to be misunderstood here.

Why are you right?

I don't care why you think everyone else is wrong, I only want to know why you think you're right. What sets you apart? What makes you so universally special? What gives you the unmitigated gall to believe that every syllable that falls out of your gingivitis encrusted mouth is the absolute truth?

Yes, there's a reason I'm asking this question. No, I will not tell you that reason.

Just answer the question.

I'm not sure if you're right to believe that everyone else thinks they are right, as a matter of fact I think you're wrong to think so and on this issue I'm pretty sure I'm right, right?

Ain't it funny ...

Everyone who reads this thinks "Why am I right"? But they want to convert it to "Why does Keruvalia think he's right?"

Never mind.

Keruvalia has other things to do and has never thought he was right.

Toodles.

In short, I'm sorry ...

Keru is gone.

We have loved you. Toodles.

There is no Keruvalia.

Pourquoi avez-vous raison?
J'ai raison parce ce que j'ai raison!! :D

Ce n'est pas plus dificle a comprendez? ;)

I am right because I can admit that I don't know. I'm right about that much.

In short, I'm sorry ...

Keru is gone.

We have loved you. Toodles.

There is no Keruvalia.

You dont mean as in leaving NS do you?

In short, I'm sorry ...

Keru is gone.

We have loved you. Toodles.

There is no Keruvalia.
Hey!!!! You can't leave!! There are too many dipshits and not enough Keru's as it is!!!!

In short, I'm sorry ...

Keru is gone.

We have loved you. Toodles.

There is no Keruvalia.

Oh, don't be so melo. I'll be expecting you back soon.

I knew you'd step in here and I'm glad you did.

I known every religious/spiritual/insane person on these forums and the only one I had respect for was Zooke (and Fass), but I've learned to develop a respect for you in the same light.

Good answer.

Unfortunately, this forum is seeing me go through change. I announced my conversion to Islam on this forum as my breaking away fro Buddhism, but I may be returning to my Buddhist roots.

This forum may be about to see someone become apostate and, thus, hated by all but the most liberal Muslim circles.

Ain't that a hoot?

Well I got your back either way bro. I am most humbled to see that you respect me. The feeling is mutual. So if you want anyone to talk to while going through these times, I always have an open ear.

**edit** that applies to anyone that needs to talk :)

In short, I'm sorry ...

Keru is gone.

We have loved you. Toodles.

There is no Keruvalia.


:eek:

You can't leave me!!!!! ermm....US!!! We need you here!

we think we are right because life is a mirror and shows us what we already know, reinforcing our beliefs that things are the way we think they are and we only accept the evidence that proves our reality and discard the evidence for other realities as if it never existed

Yes, in case you're wondering, I've just spent a couple of days with "religious" people.

Pardon me for poking, but did you run into the Tableeghi Jamaatis? :D

What if we just think no ones right?
Mmmm, taste the paradox.

Well, when I solve a math problem, I think I'm right because I used the steps I learned out of textbooks and were proven to me with postulates and field properties and I checked my answer and have still gotten the same one.

When I say that people should be tolerant and respectful to each other, I think I am right because I believe that tolerance and respect will create a world more enjoyable for everyone to live in and that that's a worthy objective. I suppose I don't really have an justification for this, but that's what I believe and I don't think there's anyone who would disagree, and I suppose mob support isn't necessarily a good reason to believe something... but it benefits everybody, so it's good, isn't it? I know I'm going in circles, but you know what I mean.

I can't think of any other areas in which I would insist I was right, but if I do, it's probably because I've arrived at my proclamation by deep thought, logic I've checked over, and the logic of any arguments I've heard is demonstrably faulty.

Either that or I specifically witnessed something that the person contradicting me did not. For example, once I visited a lovely little shop on the 16th of March for its closing sales. A person at school insisted to me that its last day was the 15th, quite understandably since that's what they said in their newsletter. Well, I knew I was right because I was there on the 16th.

Well my first thought was to give an off the cuff response like, the cheese sandwich never lies. Or maybe mention the Order of Straughn. But I think you want a real answer so here goes.

I believe that God is a benevolent creator that wants us to be happy. I think evil is our choice. I also believe that God can not be more wicked than I. So all the virtues that I possess he must also possess at the same time not have my human faults. I try to live up to his example as much as possible. And no I don't think God has to come down and die on some stupid cross in order to atone for sin. If he was truly God he could just wave his hand and forgive, who is going to contradict him...he is God.

Ain't it funny ...

Everyone who reads this thinks "Why am I right"? But they want to convert it to "Why does Keruvalia think he's right?"

Never mind.

Keruvalia has other things to do and has never thought he was right.

Toodles.
I am right because what I believe works for me.
You are right because what you believe works for you.

In the end, every single one of us might be wrong, and let's face it, we probably are. But that doesn't matter, so long as you are a good person. And you are.

Feel better Keru. *gives 6 pack of Pete's Wicked Strawberry Blonde ale*

screw that...make it 6 6 packs. Enjoy.

Mmmm, taste the paradox.

Yes it is quite the delicious one. Its almost as good as the if you go back in time and have sex with your grandmother you'd be your own grandfather paradox.

I am right because:

It is what society has nodded at
Seems most logical to me
Leads to as little destruction as possible
Has worked so far with little revisions

However, what I deem right is most certainly another's wrong so it is a trick question. The notion of right and wrong are forever changing and for one to believe that there is a strict moral right is nothing more than a fool.

You dont mean as in leaving NS do you?

No no no ... I meant I was going to bed.

I was in a strange mood last night.

There is no Keruvalia.

Thanks Keanu.

I am right because God told me so.



Ok, I don't really believe that, but the thread doesn't seem quite right without someone saying it...

No no no ... I meant I was going to bed.

I was in a strange mood last night.

*sigh of relief*

I completely understand. I felt much the same after having some bad chicken the other night.

I just wanted to make sure.....I'd hate to see a swell guy like you leave this place.

I'm not always right. If I know that factually I'm right, I'll argue forever with someone who disagrees (like when my boyfriend was convinced that the river Mersey didn't run through Manchester). But when it comes to opinions, I can't be right, no one is.

I just wanted to make sure.....I'd hate to see a swell guy like you leave this place.

Heh ... don't worry about that. You folks are stuck with me for a while.

No no no ... I meant I was going to bed.

I was in a strange mood last night.

Strange indeed, you reffered to yourself in the third person.

As for why do i think I'm right? I don't. Nor do I think I'm wrong. Because I don't have an answer. If I get one I shall quickly base a religion/cult around it and cash in before somebody questions why I think I'm right.

No no no ... I meant I was going to bed.

I was in a strange mood last night.
You weren't the only one.

Now I'm in a strange mood at work with not a lot of work this morning.

My luck is in.

I'm not right.

I'm left.

That, and you might be right. I might be right. You might be wrong. I might be wrong.

Chances are, we're both wrong and some other guy or gal has got it right.

Welcome to my world. We can be shunned together.


Dont for a minute think I'm concerned in the slightest as to what either of you do or dont believe in.
I'll never force my faith down your throat. I usually dont even get involved in the faith conversations.

And I'm impressed anyway, Keruvalia- I was betting you'd switch faiths over a month ago. You stuck it out longer than I figured.

And whats "right" for me, probably isnt right for you. I understand and accept that. I'm secure with whats "right" for me too. But you wont catch me in here preaching about it, quoting verses, etc... I'm was never too impressed by that.

Why are you right?Because I know that I know nothing. ;)

Just answer the question.
this is one of the reasons why i've given up debating on here - for most things, its just a matter of opinion and viewpoint. apart from moral or ethical absolutes (which may be subjective in their interpretation or understanding anyway) most things are simply nothing more than your word against mine. the "debate" comes in how skillfully you can force your view down someone else's throat.

though to answer your question: what gives me conviction in my own opinions? well, for me its a matter of considering an arguement and usually coming up with counterarguements in my head straight away. i spent a year at uni debating philosophy, morality and ethics, not to mention politics (while i was studying it) inside my own head. i'd think up one point of view and due to lack of conviction in my opinion, would attack it myself from another point of view - playing devil's advocate with myself - until i eventually ended up with some ideas and opinions that i was pretty sound with in my own head.
since then i have joined the "real world" and left the life of luxury that is academia and university party nonsense lifestyle, and my idealism has taken a backseat to more realist policies, but the idealism is still certainly there, and can be wielded and brought out to play on a site like this were debates and the like actually don't change the real world in the slightest (unlike, say, a vote would) :)

thats why i believe i have a set of convictions, ideals and politics that i can believe in and believe to be 'right' to a certain extent - i have spent time debating and defending them both on here, in my own head, and also in uni seminars and against other RL politcs and philosophy students and tutors. i wouldn't say that i am more "right" than anyone else (for the most part) just that my beliefs and politics are more right for my particular moral and ethical beliefs (which are also, of course, subjective... but now we're going round in circles - which is why its all so confusing and how you can have such differences in opinion between people)

i'm not sure if your OP rant was as vague as that or specifically related to religious beliefs, but meh... *shrugs*
if you're talking about religion, i don't care if i'm right. i don't care about religion at all. you could be right, i could be wrong, i don't care. if i'm wrong i'm quite happy to be so because (yes, you guessed it) i care not. this be why i don't bother debating religion for the most part (bar the occasional evolution vs creationism/ID "debates" because i see it more of a 'reality vs fiction' debate - why am i right there? well thats a whole other issue and requires further debate, obviously)

Why are you right?

I don't care why you think everyone else is wrong, I only want to know why you think you're right. What sets you apart? What makes you so universally special? What gives you the unmitigated gall to believe that every syllable that falls out of your gingivitis encrusted mouth is the absolute truth?

Yes, there's a reason I'm asking this question. No, I will not tell you that reason.

Just answer the question.
Why is being right "special"? Why do you think it sets a person apart from everyone else? Especially when everyone else is being right, too? I don't get it.

Believing is done in the context of truth.

Mmmm, taste the paradox.
There really isn't one. All that he needs to clarify is that there is a right answer, but no one has found it yet, or those who found it were to weak of will/mind to understand/accept the answer.

I am right and you are wrong. Why? Because I said so. :p

No no no ... I meant I was going to bed.

I was in a strange mood last night.


-feels like a fool for following what everone else said- umm....oops :(

(glad you are not leaving tho :) )

In order to hold any opinion you have to consider yourself and your views to be better than everyone elses, if you didn't then you'd slide into an apathetic, unopinionated coma.

if you didn't then you'd slide into an apathetic, unopinionated coma.

That'll always be the dream.

That'll always be the dream.

Hopefully drug-induced.

Hopefully drug-induced.
With a side of complete and utter sexual exhaustion.

Damn I really want to know what that 11 year old kid said.

What if we just think no ones right?

Then we would be nowhere.

Someone will always have a more rational explanation than another, and it would be quite awkward if I always considered myself to be wrong.

Then we would be nowhere.
Well technically when it comes to the divine we are really nowhere when it comes to proving one or another.

Someone will always have a more rational explanation than another, and it would be quite awkward if I always considered myself to be wrong.

Its not that I consider myself wrong its just that no one can know whats out there. Typical Agnostic stance really.

Well technically when it comes to the divine we are really nowhere when it comes to proving one or another.

Its not that I consider myself wrong its just that no one can know whats out there. Typical Agnostic stance really.

I am a rather strong agnostic, and I am very self-righteous in my agnosticism. There is no religion that makes sense to me, and because of that I have a strong tendency to be condescending to religion.

I have a strong admiration for Keruvalia, but definitely not for his religious views. He could never convince me that his faith is valid.

Also, self-righteousness is not limited to religion. You certainly would agree that pedophiles are unequivocally wrong.

I am a rather strong agnostic, and I am very self-righteous in my agnosticism. There is no religion that makes sense to me, and because of that I have a strong tendency to be condescending to religion.
I'm just more of the mindset that we can't know. Its possible but if there is any devine there is no way of truely knowing if its real unless it opens up the clouds and says "Hey guys, yea I'm the diety responsible for all of this."

I have a strong admiration for Keruvalia, but definitely not for his religious views. He could never convince me that his faith is valid.
To each his own. Quite frankly if his views aren't forced on to me then he can believe what he wants so long as it doesn't hurt others.

Also, self-righteousness is not limited to religion. You certainly would agree that pedophiles are unequivocally wrong.
I'm still dealing with the whole ethics/morality issue. I've never been truely convinced either way that morality is absolute but I have my doubts on ethical relativism. So I couldn't answer right now.

I'm just more of the mindset that we can't know. Its possible but if there is any devine there is no way of truely knowing if its real unless it opens up the clouds and says "Hey guys, yea I'm the diety responsible for all of this."

I wouldn't be agnostic if I didn't agree with you. I just take it a step farther and say that it isn't rational to believe anything else.

To each his own. Quite frankly if his views aren't forced on to me then he can believe what he wants so long as it doesn't hurt others.

Well I would never wish to stop him from believing what he believes, I just can't help thinking he is wasting valuable brain power.

Well if we're not right, then who is? And if noone's right, then there's no truth. And if there's no truth, the human situation is hopeless. Hopelessness=suicide. Its a function of our evolution to beleive that we are right.

Because ipse dixit.

I wouldn't be agnostic if I didn't agree with you. I just take it a step farther and say that it isn't rational to believe anything else.
Meh I just let everybody else believe what they want even if I don't agree.



Well I would never wish to stop him from believing what he believes, I just can't help thinking he is wasting valuable brain power.
Meh there are worse things he could waste that brain power on.

I'm not too concerned with the idea that people believe that they're right, however it seems to me to be quite tasteless to give an unasked for opinion, especially on the matter of religion. That, to me, takes unmitigated gall. Of course, I could be wrong.

I'm still dealing with the whole ethics/morality issue. I've never been truely convinced either way that morality is absolute but I have my doubts on ethical relativism. So I couldn't answer right now.Then you may like this thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469767

*is still wondering what in the world the 11 year old kid said.*

*is still wondering what in the world the 11 year old kid said.*

Heh ... sorry ... I think I'll save that little gem for a while. I'm still chewing on it.

Heh ... sorry ... I think I'll save that little gem for a while. I'm still chewing on it.

Damn it this is going to bother the hell out of me now.