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CLEARWATER, Fla. -- A Florida high school teacher who refused to let a student go to the restroom has been recommended for suspension.

The student instead used a trash can to relieve himself in a classroom closet.

The Pinellas County school system said Lesley Campbell violated school policy in November by unnecessarily embarrassing the high school junior.

Campbell said the teenager indicated he might use the trash can if she didn't let him go, but said she was astonished when he actually grabbed the can and headed for the closet.


Campbell teaches English and has taught at Clearwater High for 20 years.

She has requested a hearing on the recommended suspension.
http://www.wgal.com/news/7611925/detail.html

Thoughts anyone? Have any of you ever been in a similar situation?

I had to use a trash can once. Down with the teacher!

Why am I not surprised that this is in Florida?

Oh my, not in the home of Scientology!

I'm left to wonder: Did he ask once, and the teacher said no, then he just did it out of rebellion?

Or did he(or she? I dunno about that!) ask repeatedly and just absolutely had to go?

http://www.childadvocate.org/1b_medicalrisks.htm

not enough information availible to form an definite opinion. Without knowing anything other than than the information provided, the teacher's suspension seems reasonable on it's face. I suspect there is more to the story however and suspension may be too light a punihsment or conversely it may be unreasonable depending on the actual events. Hard to work up any response to so little information.

I remember in preschool the teacher wouldn't let me use the potty, because "potty time was over" apparently we were all supposed to go when she said so and if we had to go after that we were supposed to "hold it until lunch", well being 3 and not able to "hold it" for very long at all, I dropped my pants and peed in the floor. I never took my eyes off her, I stood there looking her in the eyes and pissing in the floor.

I got in trouble. :(

I realize now.....after re-telling the story, exactly why my kids are the way they are.


:eek:

anyway, my mom was mad because I got kicked out of the day care center, it was my 3rd offense (1st was refusing to eat cold green beans, 2nd was refusing to go outside and play in 101 degree weather when I knew that they wouldn't let me back in for a drink)

My grandfather though was proud and gave me $1.00 for standing my ground. I got to spend the rest of the summer at his house, where I could go to the bathroom when I needed, got a drink when I was thirsty, and wasn't forced to eat anything that he wouldn't eat. ;)

I think they went a little too harsh on the teacher, but what can you do?

I think they went a little too harsh on the teacher, but what can you do?

Not use the closet next time.

DIRTY PROTEST.

Why do they have to blow this out of proportion?!?

A teacher didn't let a student go to the bathroom. The student peed in a trash can.

The teacher made a mistake. End of story. Why does this have to be major thing?

Why do they have to blow this out of proportion?!?

A teacher didn't let a student go to the bathroom. The student peed in a trash can.

The teacher made a mistake. End of story. Why does this have to be major thing?
Well personally, I made this thread more to hear anecdotes from people with similar stories rather than because I found this story of any significance.

I remember in preschool the teacher wouldn't let me use the potty, because "potty time was over" apparently we were all supposed to go when she said so and if we had to go after that we were supposed to "hold it until lunch", well being 3 and not able to "hold it" for very long at all, I dropped my pants and peed in the floor. I never took my eyes off her, I stood there looking her in the eyes and pissing in the floor.

I got in trouble. :(

I realize now.....after re-telling the story, exactly why my kids are the way they are.


:eek:

anyway, my mom was mad because I got kicked out of the day care center, it was my 3rd offense (1st was refusing to eat cold green beans, 2nd was refusing to go outside and play in 101 degree weather when I knew that they wouldn't let me back in for a drink)

My grandfather though was proud and gave me $1.00 for standing my ground. I got to spend the rest of the summer at his house, where I could go to the bathroom when I needed, got a drink when I was thirsty, and wasn't forced to eat anything that he wouldn't eat. ;)

One time in Kindergarten, I peed my pants and walked around the whole day covered with piss because I didn't want anyone to find out.

Well personally, I made this thread more to hear anecdotes from people with similar stories rather than because I found this story of any significance.

*nods* Me, Smunkee, and Tweedls have done our jobs, what's with the rest of you? :P

Why do they have to blow this out of proportion?!?

A teacher didn't let a student go to the bathroom. The student peed in a trash can.

The teacher made a mistake. End of story. Why does this have to be major thing?

I completely agree... I think if he threatened her with it than he probably wasn't so embarrassed to go ahead and do it. I have to say though that if the same thing happened to me, I'd be laughing my ass off at myself while pissing in the closet in a trash can. Oh well, that's the beauty of America for you! I'm surprised the kid didn't just :headbang: till he passed out. Some of the girls were probably like :eek: if they saw it.

Well personally, I made this thread more to hear anecdotes from people with similar stories rather than because I found this story of any significance.

I peed on a Taco Bell once. :p

I peed on a Taco Bell once. :p
Sad to say, it probably didn't detract much from the hygeine of the establishment.

It begs the question... why didn't he just leave the classroom and go to the bathroom?

I know that if I REALLY had to go, and a teacher said no, I would have just left the classroom and gone anyway. I highly doubt any disciplinary action against me would have been upheld. I mean hell, the "well my options were thus - leave the classroom over the teacher's objection, allow my bladder to explode, or urinate somewhere in the classroom. What would you(the prinicpal) have done?" defense is pretty airtight.

It begs the question... why didn't he just leave the classroom and go to the bathroom?

I know that if I REALLY had to go, and a teacher said no, I would have just left the classroom and gone anyway. I highly doubt any disciplinary action against me would have been upheld. I mean hell, the "well my options were thus - leave the classroom over the teacher's objection, allow my bladder to explode, or urinate somewhere in the classroom. What would you(the prinicpal) have done?" defense is pretty airtight.
Actually I have a story that went pretty much like that. It just isn't very funny or anything: 5th grade teacher wouldn't let me go to the bathroom, asked 4 times, went anyway, ran into assistant principal on the way back, was asked why I was in the hall and explained, nothing happened except assistant principal told me to try to go to the bathroom between classes. Sure it is the best option, but it doesn't make a good story.

I hate when teachers won't let you go. My mom always says: "When nature calls..." He should have peed in her face or in her coffee...or on her gradebook.

I wonder if he's now a local hero for standing up for his right to relieve himself.

One time in Kindergarten, I peed my pants and walked around the whole day covered with piss because I didn't want anyone to find out.
You know, it's kinda difficult for others NOT to know you peed yourself if you were covered in it.

You know, it's kinda difficult for others NOT to know you peed yourself if you were covered in it.

Not really, I got quite good at covering it up till second grade. Never once did I get caught.

What of the smell, though? That's kinda hard to cover up.

Are we seriously having a debate about piss? :rolleyes:

Are we seriously having a debate about piss? :rolleyes:
Hey, it's about as interesting and worthwhile as any of the other debates we usually have!

Hey, it's about as interesting and worthwhile as any of the other debates we usually have!
At least it has nothing to do with religion or the Holocaust.

Sad to say, it probably didn't detract much from the hygeine of the establishment.
Indeed, it prob improved the quality of the foodstuffs there.

What of the smell, though? That's kinda hard to cover up.

Not sure...Mine was never very smelly...Maybe there just wasn't a lot.

I had this trouble once, when I was about 7... The teacher wouldn't let me go, I had asked her 4 times or so, and I ended up pissing myself... :( :( :(
She then claimed I didn't tell her I was "needing so badly" to go to the bathroom. Of course, it added to already being the nerd of the classroom, some more humiliation and disgust.
Come to think about it, I hope she has incontinence when she gets old...

I had this trouble once, when I was about 7... The teacher wouldn't let me go, I had asked her 4 times or so, and I ended up pissing myself... :( :( :(
She then claimed I didn't tell her I was "needing so badly" to go to the bathroom. Of course, it added to already being the nerd of the classroom, some more humiliation and disgust.
Come to think about it, I hope she has incontinence when she gets old...
That reminds me of a time in third grade when we were taking our EOG (End of Grade) tests for the first year. The teacher had been consistently stressing the importance of the test, and so one of the kids sitting next to me peed himself during the test because he didn't want to ask to leave. Suffice to say, he caused a much bigger disruption than if he merely would have told the teacher. The only reason the teacher noticed was because urine was running down the student's leg and creating a puddle on the floor.

I actually did the same thing when I was in elementary school. The teacher absolutely refused to let anyone go to the bathroom. After a few weeks of that, I finally went in the trashcan. Only difference is I didn't have a closet, I let it fly right there in the middle of everyone.

I actually did the same thing when I was in elementary school. The teacher absolutely refused to let anyone go to the bathroom. After a few weeks of that, I finally went in the trashcan. Only difference is I didn't have a closet, I let it fly right there in the middle of everyone.

That's what I should have done. Ah well, I'm 24 now, so, kinda hard to rectify that.

Unless, of course, I go to her house and take a leak in the garden. :D

In my school kids SAY they'll do that a lot when they really need to go, as far as I know no one ever has done that. Personally unless the kid was kind of fidgeting and stuff I wouldn't have let him go either unless maybe he was someone who hardly ever went.

In my school kids SAY they'll do that a lot when they really need to go, as far as I know no one ever has done that. Personally unless the kid was kind of fidgeting and stuff I wouldn't have let him go either unless maybe he was someone who hardly ever went.

I suggest you rethink that policy unless you like the smell of piss after an accident... =-P

I hate when teachers won't let you go. My mom always says: "When nature calls..." He should have peed in her face or in her coffee...or on her gradebook.

Most teachers don't use gradebooks anymore, least not in Maine. Here they use Powerschool, a completely unreliable piece of shit program. In my Latin Class I have 120 because it is so screwy. One person has 144 in there.

I suggest you rethink that policy unless you like the smell of piss after an accident... =-P

:-P A LOT of kids say they need to go when they really don't, I mean if a kid asks more than once and does seem to need to go then I'd let them go. Though if it's a kid who asks to go every single class like kids in some of my classes who I know for a FACT say they need to go when they just want to smoke or skip I would say no, they can go imbetween classes or during lunch if the start squirming and ask a lot then fine I'd let them go. That is what happens most of the time at my school. I know nothing of anyone wetting themselves, and trust me at my school someone farts and I know all about it. (Everyone does.)

Jeeezus

Did the trashcan have a full or half flush?????:)

Personally unless the kid was kind of fidgeting and stuff I wouldn't have let him go either unless maybe he was someone who hardly ever went.
it is unhealthy not to go when you have the urge. going to the bathroom isn't something that should be restricted imo, sometimes kids have issues and need to go a lot. I wouldn't restrict a body function, you don't tell a kid not to sneeze or not to breathe, or even not to cough, but you tell them they can't pee?! that's abuse I think.

it is unhealthy not to go when you have the urge. going to the bathroom isn't something that should be restricted imo, sometimes kids have issues and need to go a lot. I wouldn't restrict a body function, you don't tell a kid not to sneeze or not to breathe, or even not to cough, but you tell them they can't pee?! that's abuse I think.

No, not considering how at my school they only allow one kid out of each class at a time. That would not be my fault as a teacher, my school has decided to be pricks about how many people are in the hall and everything. Last year it was you need to go? Okay here's a pass. Except for a few teachers. I understand that some kids need to go a lot, but if that's how it is then they should have a doctor write a note explaining that and then things would be a bit easier for that. With restriction of body functions, you wouldn't be really, sort of yes but not really. It's not teachers fault that they can only allow so many people and all. But meh all schools are different I am just trying to put myself in the teachers mindset, even though I well understand the student and all the only difference in what I would have done would've been to just walk out of the class.

No, not considering how at my school they only allow one kid out of each class at a time. That would not be my fault as a teacher, my school has decided to be pricks about how many people are in the hall and everything. Last year it was you need to go? Okay here's a pass. Except for a few teachers. I understand that some kids need to go a lot, but if that's how it is then they should have a doctor write a note explaining that and then things would be a bit easier for that. With restriction of body functions, you wouldn't be really, sort of yes but not really. It's not teachers fault that they can only allow so many people and all. But meh all schools are different I am just trying to put myself in the teachers mindset, even though I well understand the student and all the only difference in what I would have done would've been to just walk out of the class.
I guess I don't really have to manage kids that much, I homeschool my two, so of course they get to go when they need to. The other 3 classes I teach are pretty loose on the rules about bathroom privilages as well. I have 2 year olds one day a week who really have to go when they have to go since they only learned a short while ago how to use the potty anyway, and then 7 year olds and 14 year olds the other day (2 seperate classes) who go when they need to, don't even have to ask, just get up and go. It annoys me that kids are forced to ask permission to go to the bathroom, I suppose things like that are why I homeschool my kids.

You think that's bad: be a teacher teaching three 45 minute classes (plus four minute passing) in a row. The kids get to go more often than WE do!

You think that's bad: be a teacher teaching three 45 minute classes (plus four minute passing) in a row. The kids get to go more often than WE do!

See, I think both teachers AND students should be allowed to go to the bathroom when needed. It works in the university, at least here. Well, not that I've seen a teacher leave to go to the bathroom anyways, but I don't think anyone would find it odd.

He should have peed in her face or in her coffee...or on her gradebook.Well..
I say that if a student pisses on the food of someone else.. he should be life-banned from the school and probably charged..

Why is the teacher being punished?

He/She didnt take a piss in a bin

Why is the teacher being punished?

He/She didnt take a piss in a bin

She created the need for it. There were three options for the boy: The bin, himself and leaving the room to piss. The last one would mean him being punished, yet would be the one that caused least damage. The second one would cause damage to himself. The first one, the one he used, is a gesture to make a point: Body functions aren't supposed to be controlled by others. If the teacher hadn't created a situation in which this reaction were to be expected, THEN the student should have been punished. But the teacher caused the whole thing.

Ahh this happened to me, well there was no trash can, and well no bin, i was 11 at the time, and i asked like 10 times to go and the teacher kept saying no, so i got up went up the front of the room adn urinated on the teachers cupboard... that happened to have their lunch in it... my bad... :( got in a lot of trouble for it... but i got out of detention as i said it was teh teachers fault :D

Ahh this happened to me, well there was no trash can, and well no bin, i was 11 at the time, and i asked like 10 times to go and the teacher kept saying no, so i got up went up the front of the room adn urinated on the teachers cupboard... that happened to have their lunch in it... my bad... :( got in a lot of trouble for it... but i got out of detention as i said it was teh teachers fault :D

THAT'S MY BOY!!! Kyahaha! Nice one! Well, too bad for the lunch, but scr*w it, you asked several times! :D

When you gotta go, you gotta go! If I had had a teacher like that I really would have been, er, pissed off! :)

I know some teachers don't like letting students go to the bathroom during class because they just use that as an excuse to wander the halls.


I never had that trouble, being a girl, if a teacher ever refused to let me go to the bathroom, I would claim that it's a woman issue and then I'd be out the door. Nobody wants someone bleeding on the seat, really.

I know some teachers don't like letting students go to the bathroom during class because they just use that as an excuse to wander the halls.


Yup, 'cause you see the same students in the hall every day, every period. In our school, there is a pass system where you are allowed to leave each subject class four times for the term. If a student wants to go after they have expended their four times, their choices are to get a doctor's note which states that there is a medical reason for having to leave the room every day, or my favorite way of dealing with the situation: getting them an escort to and from the restroom.

We're caught between a rock and a hard place; there are those who abuse the privilege and there are those who need to go: those who need to go every day need to explain it to the principal.

She created the need for it. There were three options for the boy: The bin, himself and leaving the room to piss. The last one would mean him being punished, yet would be the one that caused least damage. The second one would cause damage to himself. The first one, the one he used, is a gesture to make a point: Body functions aren't supposed to be controlled by others. If the teacher hadn't created a situation in which this reaction were to be expected, THEN the student should have been punished. But the teacher caused the whole thing.

Or hold it in for a bit.

News flash: the kid's the one doing the dirty deed. It's not like he couldn't have gone outside or something.

Or hold it in for a bit.

You see, there WAS NO MORE holding it in. If he held it in any longer, it'd be his pants.

News flash: the kid's the one doing the dirty deed. It's not like he couldn't have gone outside or something.

I agree, but the kid also decided to make a POINT here.