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Heheheh. Well? Which musician is the biggest and most pretentious wanker?

Heheheh. Well? Which musician is the biggest and most pretentious wanker?
there are so many...I kinda want to say Mick Jagger tho.

Elton John wins for diva.

Heheheh. Well? Which musician is the biggest and most pretentious wanker?
Yngwie Malmsteen. Well, he earns it, but I guess he's more egotistical than pretentious. VERY egotistical.

Yngwie Malmsteen. Well, he earns it, but I guess he's more egotistical than pretentious. VERY egotistical.

Heheheheh. He doesn't like donuts either. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5374503581463563965&q=Yngwie+Getting+PWned)

From the list, Prince. Definatly.

50 cents. And every other rapper like him.

John Cage... Or any other bad avante garde artist like him...

Ashlee Simpson. *cough* saturday night live *cough*

Corgan wins the wanker award in my books. Noel is a close second.

Oh, Yngwie, definitely. He's a fucking dip.

In the poll, it was a toss-up between Gallagher and Corgan. Gallagher won. :D

Outside of the poll, I'd have to go with Suede's Brett Anderson. They opened for R.E.M. here once, and oh my God, at least on stage he was the most pretentious wanker I've ever had the displeasure of seeing. What a pathetic poseur.

Michael Stipe, on the other hand, shouldn't really be in the poll, IMHO. *bitches about poll*

Frank Black, with Glenn Danzig a close second.

I think it’s an uphill battle to fight being pretentious, as soon as you’re called an artist and a bunch of ass kissers start telling you how great you are. People who start believing their own hype are seriously living in a land of delusion.

Definitely Prince or whatever the hell he calls himself today.

The drummer from Metallica. I'd pay good money for a chance to introduce that guy to the Dr. Marten's Dental Plan

Bono U2

Bjork. What planet is she from again?

Canada City']Bono U2

Really have to agree with this. Well said.

John Cage... Or any other bad avante garde artist like him...
You sir, are worse than Hitler.

Canada City']Bono U2

Yeah, he's definitely more of a wanker than Yngwie... Though he's not quite as elitest about his music.

Anyone who thinks their 3 chord music with over the top drum machines and sledgehammer bass lines is on par in quality with the works of composers with years of training.

(prince/thom yorke wtf?!)none of the artists listed are pretentious imo unless musical ambition=pretentious:rolleyes:

Axl Rose.

Nothing else need be said on the matter.

Anyone who thinks their 3 chord music with over the top drum machines and sledgehammer bass lines is on par in quality with the works of composers with years of training.

yes the predominance of 3 chord tricks and the lack of imagination that comes from this is annoying but just being good at technique has nothing to do with writing good songs. originality is key.

yes the predominance of 3 chord tricks and the lack of imagination that comes from this is annoying but just being good at technique has nothing to do with writing good songs. originality is key.

I'm well aware of that, but classical composers were hardly unoriginal. Pretty much every stage of classical was based on experimenting with something new, whether it be counterpoint, new musical forms, expanded tonality, or even stuff outside traditional tonality.

Canada City']Bono U2
Good call. Anyone who spends £1,000 to have their 'favourite' hat flown first class to Italy is an absolute pretentious tosser.
http://www.u2world.com/news/article.php3?id_article=19850
Bleating on about third-world debt and he goes and spends that much on his frigging hat.
The man's an arse.



Of the list, though, it'd have to be Prince. Anyone here seen his movie "Purple Rain"? Now THERE'S a pretentious pile of baboon wank.
Plus anyone who has a hissy fit and changes their name to a silly symbol cause their nasty record company is forcing them to release a handful of forgettable pop tunes ever few years just has to be a pretentious git.



And then there's Jim Morrison. Did he ever manage to go one day - hell even one hour - of his life without being a pretentious twat?
I don't think so.

Conor Oberst (from Bright Eyes and Desaparecidos). What a fucking tool. Yeah, tons of people in the world have the shitty little "I was so moved by his music/lyrics/performance!" moments, but he ruined four of his own shows, just that I physically witnessed.....after seeing a guy get trashed and destroy that much equipment, throw up on stage, cry a little about it, and then yell at the crowd for being pissed that he's wasted their money, I can safely say that he's only worth his salt when in a state of forced sobriety, or when I'm happily listening to his CDs in the car.

Kanye West.

WAY too pretentious for his own good.

Bjork. What planet is she from again?

Iceland, Apparently.

Bono Bono Bono BONO.

Sean Combs.
Sean Puffy Combs.
Puff Daddy
P. Diddy
Diddy.

...dude, you're not Muhammed Ali.

I vote for Noel Gallagher, for claiming that his band is the best in the world with nothing to back him up except his egotism.

John Cage... Or any other bad avante garde
artist like him...
He's not a bad artist.

He's not a bad artist.

He was very good at experimentation, but he never really produced anything you could sit down and actually enjoy in a conventional sense that I'm aware of. I get the feeling, at times, that all the experimentation is basically to cover up a lack of skill at ordinary music.

I'm well aware of that, but classical composers were hardly unoriginal. Pretty much every stage of classical was based on experimenting with something new, whether it be counterpoint, new musical forms, expanded tonality, or even stuff outside traditional tonality.

hmmm, i suppose. subjectivity is down to a lot of it too. Although I find classical music, especially baroque classical music where everything is symmetrical and perfect, to be really dull. Avant Garde classical sacrifices actual music for originality in technique There are so many distinctions and qualifications that it becomes a case of whatever rocks your boat, but to an extent and not absolutely.

Kanye West.

WAY too pretentious for his own good.

Kanye's not pretentious. He's self-absorbed and egotistical. There's a difference.

I'm shocked, appalled, and more than a little disappointed that no one has bothered to mention the reigning kinds of pretention: Dream Theater.

I know this is going back a ways but, David Lee Roth!!! Lars Ulrich is right behind him!

Definitely Bono. Or The Edge, just for being called The Edge

while all mentioned, are indeed pretentious wankers, I would say that Malmsteen is the most wank.
He is even more of a wanker, than Billy Corgan, who wrote the book on wanking.
I suppose you could say he's "wank-tastic."

Yngvie Wanksteen.

I'm well aware of that, but classical composers were hardly unoriginal. Pretty much every stage of classical was based on experimenting with something new, whether it be counterpoint, new musical forms, expanded tonality, or even stuff outside traditional tonality.

There were plenty of unoriginal composers, we just don't know about them because they were unoriginal and fail to last the test of time.

Canada City']Bono U2

Yep, definately. He calls himself "Bono Vox" for christsake.

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

(prince/thom yorke wtf?!)none of the artists listed are pretentious imo unless musical ambition=pretentious:rolleyes:

Haha, get over it...it's meant to be a fun poll. I listen to and enjoy a few of the artists on there.

Trent Reznor. There is no such band as Nine Inch Nails!

Trent Reznor. There is no such band as Nine Inch Nails!

Trent Reznor has an excuse to be an ass: He actually does good music. I still listen to his Quake 1 tracks and March of the Pigs every now and then. Leaving hope is also an awesome track.

The fucker has Talent, where is Bono only made it because of publicity charity stunts. His music is below mediocre.

Any asshole who whines about western countries not pouring in cash into africa, but drives in a limo, deserves to be shot. I honestly wish someone would assassinate Bono, since people like him give westerners a bad name.

Chris de Burgh. So it is written... so shall it be.

If only Herman Lee of Dragonforce was up there.

Cheesy gayness.

Anyone who spends £1,000 to have their 'favourite' hat flown first class to Italy is an absolute pretentious tosser.
How do you fly a hat first class? Do you think it enjoyed the extra leg room and complimentary champagne? :p

How do you fly a hat first class? Do you think it enjoyed the extra leg room and complimentary champagne? :p
I just realised I had the wrong link in my original post. Here's the real link:
http://www.u2world.com/news/article.php3?id_article=19850
From the article:

ROCK star Bono splashed out £1,000 to have his favourite trilby HAT flown first class to Italy.
The U2 singer was panic-stricken when he found he’d forgotten to pack his favourite headgear for a charity gig with Luciano Pavarotti.
So he organised an epic journey to ensure the jet black titfer arrived safely from England.
...
it (the hat) had its own first class seat.
...
Bono had refused to appear on stage without the trilby.

Like I said, the man's an arse. An utter arse.

I can never decide whether it's hypocritical of those musicians who appear at Live 8 and events like it to claim to be against world poverty while living in their multiple houses. On the one hand, they're entitled to their success, and you don't achieve equality by dragging those at the top down. On the other hand, is it really right to sit on top of millions when we're always told that 'just 50p a week can bring water to an African village' etc?

I do agree with you about Bono's hat, though. Someone should have just found a similar one from a market stool and told him it was his.

Oh, I definitely don't begrudge them their success. But when they get so removed from reality that they spend that much on flying their favourite hat to another country and when they charge a fortune for us to go them - and let's face U2 don't need the extra money - while bleating on about debt reduction and how just a few dollars could save an African's life. Well, that's when they achieve the title of 'pretentious arse'.
You think how many villages could have had running water from that 1000 quid?
Or how many innoculations could have been made from Bono's appearance fee at one U2 concert?

Madonna is the best:)
she has all types of good and bad music!!

Heheheh. Well? Which musician is the biggest and most pretentious wanker?
It's this guy (http://www.thetempleofsound.com/). If I could've linked in one of his photo gallery images, I would've - check it out, it's hilarious.

The drummer from Metallica. I'd pay good money for a chance to introduce that guy to the Dr. Marten's Dental Plan

What? You don't like Lars? I guess it's because he doesn't want you to get the product he makes his living on for free huh?



From the poll, I'd have to go with "The Artist Formerly Known As Prince." But in the world- Michael Jackson. Too easy.

Canada City']Trent Reznor has an excuse to be an ass: He actually does good music. I still listen to his Quake 1 tracks and March of the Pigs every now and then. Leaving hope is also an awesome track.

The fucker has Talent, where is Bono only made it because of publicity charity stunts. His music is below mediocre.

Any asshole who whines about western countries not pouring in cash into africa, but drives in a limo, deserves to be shot. I honestly wish someone would assassinate Bono, since people like him give westerners a bad name.

Bono does not go out on the road with whomever he can find and call himself an ongoing band, either.

I totally disagree with you re: U2 being below mediocre. I've been a fan for 23 years now, and while they've had some mis-steps (and what band hasn't?) most notably the Pop album, the most recent How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb is a great disc and Achtung Baby, The Joshua Tree and War are three of the best albums in rock history.

U2 is Gen-X's Rolling Stones.

(Yes, I agree he's over the top with some of his antics, but he *does* do good and he DOES donate to his own causes. And -- let's face it -- who's going to do anything for Africa if not a celeb? The World Bank and the UN certainly aren't!)

Canada City']Bono U2

Definitely Bono. He's lapped the rest of them. :p

The Dixie Chicks would be my next choice.

I just realised I had the wrong link in my original post. Here's the real link:
http://www.u2world.com/news/article.php3?id_article=19850
From the article:


Like I said, the man's an arse. An utter arse.

Yeah, that's a little rich. But then he also does stuff like this:
http://www.concernusa.org/news/item.asp?nid=97
Concern Worldwide has warmly welcomed the donation of €50,000 from U2 front man Bono, following his receipt of the Humanitarian Award in the annual Meteor Ireland Music Awards.

http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/u2%20to%20donate%20millions%20to%20africa
Irish rockers U2 will donate $6 million (GBP3.3 million) of their own money towards eliminating poverty in Africa.

...I've never heard of Rage Against the Machine or Trent Reznor giving money to anybody. :( -- Does someone know of anything to the contrary?

In fact, I take back my Bono vote. There was someone else I was trying to think of and couldn't remember. Now I do. Philip Glass.

In fact, I take back my Bono vote. There was someone else I was trying to think of and couldn't remember. Now I do. Philip Glass.

Right on! I hate that bastard. And to think, there are people who actually consider him classical.:upyours:

Ashlee Simpson. *cough* saturday night live *cough*
HA! so true

Yngwie Malmsteen.

Or perhaps someone involved with modern jazz.

Or Ihsahn of Emperor (but he doesn't really compare with Yngwie Malmsteen in sheer arrogance).

Right on! I hate that bastard. And to think, there are people who actually consider him classical.:upyours:
*shudders at the thought*

Canada City']Bono U2

Most definitely.

*shudders at the thought*

I know. Minimalism was one of the stupidest ideas ever to hit classical.

The drummer from Metallica. I'd pay good money for a chance to introduce that guy to the Dr. Marten's Dental Plan

I went with the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince, but I forgot about those stupid fucktards. Music downloading has cost them so much money theyve been forced to lower the quality of their music to save cash.

malmsteen

that and bono, i hate that prick.

...I've never heard of Rage Against the Machine or Trent Reznor giving money to anybody. :( -- Does someone know of anything to the contrary?

RATM performed quite a lot of benefit shows for various causes. I don't know if they gave a lump sum to any charity in particular, though.

RATM performed quite a lot of benefit shows for various causes. I don't know if they gave a lump sum to any charity in particular, though.

I know they contributed significant amounts of money (along with Cypress Hill) to NORML, the Legalize Marijuana Foundation. I think that's the noblest cause of all. I myself am a card carrying member.

http://www.norml.org/

I find Celine Dion to be unbelievably pretentious and precious.

Oh, Yngwie, definitely. He's a fucking dip.

Absolutley. Him, his tight pants, shite riffs and bad eighties hair can go straight to hell and play blackjack with Hitler and The Pope. Loser of each hand spends 1000 years sucking bile from the nose of a dead whale. Still I gut voted for Corgan though...somehow he just ranks slightly higher on pure pretense the little whiny girlie man that he is, when Yngwie wins overall on biggest douche on the list.

Hmmm...and eh, why the hell not, Maroon 5 are probably the worst thing to happen to any musical genre since Elvis ripped off the blues.

5 pages and no one has mentioned teh Coldplay? Or is someone from that wretched band on the list and I didn't know it?

Kanye West. I like him, though.

Bono.

He wishes he had mams...
...so he could personally suckle the third world underprivileged.

Bono.

He wishes he had mams...
...so he could personally suckle the third world underprivileged.

He invented the Mullet, you know.

*falls on floor laughing*

I know. Minimalism was one of the stupidest ideas ever to hit classical.
Wow, are you kidding? I love Glass (and minimalism in general), have you heard Einstein on the beach?

Wow, are you kidding? I love Glass (and minimalism in general), have you heard Einstein on the beach?

The only time I ever "heard" Glass was in that South Park episode where they made fun of him. You know the one I'm talking about... the first Mr Hankey epidode. He's pounding on a keyboard, while the kids are spinning around in grey leotards.

Wow, are you kidding? I love Glass (and minimalism in general), have you heard Einstein on the beach?

He's boring as hell! His music is based on repetition. I've heard part of Einstein on the Beach and it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in all of classical music (though some have had the nerve to claim Frank Zappa is a classical composer:rolleyes: and his work comes close).

He's boring as hell! His music is based on repetition. I've heard part of Einstein on the Beach and it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in all of classical music (though some have had the nerve to claim Frank Zappa is a classical composer:rolleyes: and his work comes close).

If you like Classical that much, you should give Rush a listen. It's the best Prog Rock ever, and their instrumentals take a lot of skill to play, and no other group can match the scope of their epics (the best being the two part Cygnus story: Part one is 10:21, and part two is 18:07).

Don't diss the entire genre just because most of it isn't infinitely complex.

If you like Classical that much, you should give Rush a listen. It's the best Prog Rock ever, and their instrumentals take a lot of skill to play, and no other group can match the scope of their epics (the best being the two part Cygnus story: Part one is 10:21, and part two is 18:07).

So? Most classical pieces are around 15-20 minutes long (at least, and many are much longer). Pretty much any chamber piece easily matches that scope. Dozens of classical composers have Rush beat easily, as well, having composed symphonies and operas at least an hour in length (and that's not even mentioning Wagner's 15+ hour long Ring of the Nibelungen opera cycle!).

Edit: Yeah, I know, if I were a musician (and I'm working on it), I would easily win this poll.

Glen Danzig

Hmm...I'd have to say one of those cowboy hat wearing male country singers who are morally condescending.

Them or Bono.

So? Most classical pieces are around 15-20 minutes long (at least, and many are much longer). Pretty much any chamber piece easily matches that scope. Dozens of classical composers have Rush beat easily, as well, having composed symphonies and operas at least an hour in length (and that's not even mentioning Wagner's 15+ hour long Ring of the Nibelungen opera cycle!).

Edit: Yeah, I know, if I were a musician (and I'm working on it), I would easily win this poll.

Enough with the fricking elitism already.

Hmm...I'd have to say one of those cowboy hat wearing male country singers who are morally condescending.

Them or Bono.

Toby Keith is a ****.

Edit: And I'll say this. You totally diss Rush without even listening to them? If that's not pretentious bullshit, nothing is. Rush use really complex time signatures and rhythms without being pretentious, and that's saying something.

and no other group can match the scope of their epics (the best being the two part Cygnus story: Part one is 10:21, and part two is 18:07).

oh yeah? :p

Boris's song Absolutego goes for an hour and 5 minutes, and Sleep's Dopesmoker goes for an hour or so. I can name more, but eh. :p

(prince/thom yorke wtf?!)none of the artists listed are pretentious imo unless musical ambition=pretentious:rolleyes:

Totally agree baby, totally agree, and don't forget, prince largely started acting weird cos he was trying to get kicked off the record label tht he was unhappily contractually obliged to. You could liken his antics to those of the main guy in office space who tries to get himself fired.

Yeh i was gonna say connor oberst, except not for his performances which ive never seen, simply for the self indulgent self-obsessed twaddle he releases that he tries to pass off for songwriting.

I would say the same for Devendra banhart but with even more teethgrinding knuckleclenching conviction (he's unbearable).

Totally agree baby, totally agree

Ugh, get over it, I like Radiohead too.

Get over what?

Have i crossed some line of forum etiquette? I don't get it?

Get over what?

Have i crossed some line of forum etiquette? I don't get it?
Not really, only bitching about what's on the poll. I like a lot of the bands on the poll, but it's meant to be a fun poll. No need to bitch about it :p

RATM performed quite a lot of benefit shows for various causes. I don't know if they gave a lump sum to any charity in particular, though.

Not the same as giving away their own cash tho. U2 also played a f_ckload of benefits (Live Aid, Live 8, lord knows how many more)... but I can't think of RATM giving away to charity any real sums to HELP people. :(

I know they contributed significant amounts of money (along with Cypress Hill) to NORML, the Legalize Marijuana Foundation. I think that's the noblest cause of all. I myself am a card carrying member.

http://www.norml.org/

While that's a worthy cause (one I think is right up there with getting rid of all forms of censorship and getting rid of all forms of gun control), it's not the same as trying to feed hungry people.

Not the same as giving away their own cash tho. U2 also played a f_ckload of benefits (Live Aid, Live 8, lord knows how many more)... but I can't think of RATM giving away to charity any real sums to HELP people. :(

Dunno. Just because I can't recall off the top of my head doesn't mean that they didn't.

(And U2 are just a little bit more popular and wealthier than RATM :p)

Heheheh. Well? Which musician is the biggest and most pretentious wanker?
Liam Gallagher?

Liam Gallagher?
You might mean Noel?