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State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri’s official religion

12:28 AM CST on Friday, March 3, 2006

By John Mills, News 4

Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name Christianity the state's official "majority" religion.



House Concurrent Resolution 13 has is pending in the state legislature.



Many Missouri residents had not heard about the bill until Thursday.



Karen Aroesty of the Anti-defamation league, along with other watch-groups, began a letter writing and email campaign to stop the resolution.



The resolution would recognize "a Christian god," and it would not protect minority religions, but "protect the majority's right to express their religious beliefs.



The resolution also recognizes that, "a greater power exists," and only Christianity receives what the resolution calls, "justified recognition."



State representative David Sater of Cassville in southwestern Missouri, sponsored the resolution, but he has refused to talk about it on camera or over the phone.



KMOV also contacted Gov. Matt Blunt's office to see where he stands on the resolution, but he has yet to respond.
http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html

is it just me, or does this seem extremely wrong? I mean, we have it expressly stated in the bill of rights that congress can't establish a state religion, and that the laws of the constitution are extended to the states as well. This just seems to be a complete abuse of power and purposely creating a law that violates constitutional law.

Let's put it this way: Even Missouri Republicans are opposed to this thing, because if there's one thing a conservative (as many Republicans in that area are) hates, it's someone messing with the Constitution and trampling over this nation's history.

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html

is it just me, or does this seem extremely wrong? I mean, we have it expressly stated in the bill of rights that congress can't establish a state religion, and that the laws of the constitution are extended to the states as well. This just seems to be a complete abuse of power and purposely creating a law that violates constitutional law.

Well, If South Dakota takes out abortion, Kansas will get Science, Missori can get separation between church and state...Question is, who takes The first amendment, and let's not forget finding a way to remove congress and supreme court and get a Southern Baptist elected to the position now re-named "Spiritual Advisor"

Hmm... where did that "what if America became a theocracy?" thread go? :rolleyes:

Honestly. It's like people are their own worst enemy.

Exactly why I don't live in the USA.

Hmm... where did that "what if America became a theocracy?" thread go? :rolleyes:

Honestly. It's like people are their own worst enemy.
Well this ought to make Kravania ecstatic. :p

Well, If South Dakota takes out abortion, Kansas will get Science, Missori can get separation between church and state...Question is, who takes The first amendment, and let's not forget finding a way to remove congress and supreme court and get a Southern Baptist elected to the position now re-named "Spiritual Advisor"

I think California is working on the Second Amendment. It seems to be a bipartisan effort.

Doesn't the US have some sort of Charter of Bill of Rights to prevent something like this?

Dam, I live in Missouri and we just foudn out about this crap, lotta people are mad.

WTF? Doesn't that violate the First Amendment?

Dam, I live in Missouri and we just foudn out about this crap, lotta people are mad.
This is what you have been waiting for! It's you or them! Your family or the government! Grab your gun and exercise your constitutional rights NOW! :mp5:

(News is boring here in the UK. I want fireworks to watch.)

Dam, I live in Missouri and we just foudn out about this crap, lotta people are mad.

I'm a Missourian too, and this thread is the first I heard of it.

Yes the Blunt Governor does it again.. I love Missouri but I am ashamed to live here tonight..

Definately a new low. Has this bs passed yet? One good thing if Blunt and co keep doing dumb things like this cos they think they can (wonder where they got that from? - looks suspiciously at Rove and others who do the idiot in chief's thinking), then they will piss enough people off to loose control of both state houses in November..

And that would be wonderful news to wake up to Governor Blunt loses the majority and so does G.W...

Fucking shit. :headbang:

I'm pretty confident this will be knocked down pretty damned pronto. A) The Missourians don't want it, and B) it's a direct violation of the Constitution which does control the states. So whatever nut-job carried this as far as it's gone is going to fail.

For now.

This country is going to the dogs. The mad dogs.

hey if a state can have an offical flower, why not an official religion?

maybe new mexico's can be zuni indian rites!

I'm hoping the guy who raised this will lose his seat at the very least, and with any luck, his followers. They have no place being in politics if they are going to blatantly trample the constitution and not even make an attempt to do it well

Doesn't the US have some sort of Charter of Bill of Rights to prevent something like this?
No. You can pass whatever law you want pretty much. What happens after that is it gets challenged in court and struck down as unconstitutional.

No. You can pass whatever law you want pretty much. What happens after that is it gets challenged in court and struck down as unconstitutional.
which costs the tax payers money. Honestly, if a law is going to clearly get shot down, why are they wasting our money passing the law and then striking it down?

which costs the tax payers money. Honestly, if a law is going to clearly get shot down, why are they wasting our money passing the law and then striking it down?
Because Christianity is the one religion of God, and its truth is manifest in its power. :(

Are there any other links for this thing because I can't find any other news on it. If it is true well then man I want what whoever sponsored that bill's smoking.

Are there any other links for this thing because I can't find any other news on it. If it is true well then man I want what whoever sponsored that bill's smoking.
I'm looking for it from other sources, but haven't found one yet. I'll post something if I find it

I'm looking for it from other sources, but haven't found one yet. I'll post something if I find it

Well I'm dredging through the bills that Sater has sponsered on the and all I've found is this

HCR13 Resolves that voluntary prayer in public schools, religious displays on public property, and the recognition of a Christian God are not a coalition of church and state.


http://www.house.mo.gov/bills061/bills/hcr13.htm

SECOND REGULAR SESSION

House Concurrent Resolution No. 13

93RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY

4572L.02I



Whereas, our forefathers of this great nation of the United States recognized a Christian God and used the principles afforded to us by Him as the founding principles of our nation; and



Whereas, as citizens of this great nation, we the majority also wish to exercise our constitutional right to acknowledge our Creator and give thanks for the many gifts provided by Him; and



Whereas, as elected officials we should protect the majority's right to express their religious beliefs while showing respect for those who object; and



Whereas, we wish to continue the wisdom imparted in the Constitution of the United States of America by the founding fathers; and



Whereas, we as elected officials recognize that a Greater Power exists above and beyond the institutions of mankind:



Now, therefore, be it resolved by the members of the House of Representatives of the Ninety-third General Assembly, Second Regular Session, the Senate concurring therein, that we stand with the majority of our constituents and exercise the common sense that voluntary prayer in public schools and religious displays on public property are not a coalition of church and state, but rather the justified recognition of the positive role that Christianity has played in this great nation of ours, the United States of America.
Hmm... I know in Nevada, resolutions such as this are non-binding, just giving reconition. Does the same hold for Missouri?

Christianity is the only true light - there is no problem with this law. The first amendment says congress can't pass this law, not the state legislatures and anyway we should repeal the first amendment so we can finally form a more perfect union, under God, with Jesus and Bibles for all.

This is nothing new, it's just that in years past it was always a democrats tatic. When you have a lopsided majority in the house and or senate they simply pass a bill that suits their agenda with full knowledge that it will eventually be struck down. In any event the democrats and their special interests have no choice but to attack the bill or law making it appear that they are attacking the religious folks. Sort of like the left did when using RICO laws to harrass people protesting baby killers. In any event, it gives one side victim status and there isn't a damn thing the other side can do to prevent looking bad even if they are right as rain.
It's called baiting. It sucks, it's wrong, but quite frankly I am somewhat surprised it has taken this long for the republicans to use it since they have been burned on it so many times in the past.

HCR13 is the bill I think thats being referenced by that article and I found the text for it.


SECOND REGULAR SESSION

House Concurrent Resolution No. 13

93RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY

4572L.02I

Whereas, our forefathers of this great nation of the United States recognized a Christian God and used the principles afforded to us by Him as the founding principles of our nation; and

Whereas, as citizens of this great nation, we the majority also wish to exercise our constitutional right to acknowledge our Creator and give thanks for the many gifts provided by Him; and

Whereas, as elected officials we should protect the majority's right to express their religious beliefs while showing respect for those who object; and

Whereas, we wish to continue the wisdom imparted in the Constitution of the United States of America by the founding fathers; and

Whereas, we as elected officials recognize that a Greater Power exists above and beyond the institutions of mankind:

Now, therefore, be it resolved by the members of the House of Representatives of the Ninety-third General Assembly, Second Regular Session, the Senate concurring therein, that we stand with the majority of our constituents and exercise the common sense that voluntary prayer in public schools and religious displays on public property are not a coalition of church and state, but rather the justified recognition of the positive role that Christianity has played in this great nation of ours, the United States of America.

Christianity is the only true light - there is no problem with this law. The first amendment says congress can't pass this law, not the state legislatures and anyway we should repeal the first amendment so we can finally form a more perfect union, under God, with Jesus and Bibles for all.
Given our debating history and your Location being given as "Hell", I will assume you are taking the piss the same way I was on the previous page. :)

I'm from Missouri, watch the news 3 times per day, and this is the first I've heard of it. I guess now we know why there's a "border war" between MO and KS. Crazy people on both sides.

The redeeming feature is that MO state government really doesn't mean much. MO is really a bunch of "city states". You only get the news from the city closest to you. As far as KC is concerned SL, Springfield, Joplin, St. Jo, and all the others don't exist. And the same is true of all the others toward each other. Jeff City is just a rumor to the rest of the state. Nobody would care if it disappeared.

Christianity is the only true light - there is no problem with this law. The first amendment says congress can't pass this law, not the state legislatures and anyway we should repeal the first amendment so we can finally form a more perfect union, under God, with Jesus and Bibles for all.
Actually, the Constitution, including all its amendments, is binding on the states and their legislatures, and also on all local and municipal governments within each state. Any time a state or local law conflicts with federal law, federal law governs. It's what we call the law of the land. So Missouri is not allowed to establish a state religion. Of course, they're not really doing that yet. A resolution is not a law. I just hope the good voters of Missouri slap their dumb-ass government right in the face with their frigging resolution pretty swiftly, so they don't get any more stupid notions.

Are there any other links for this thing because I can't find any other news on it. If it is true well then man I want what whoever sponsored that bill's smoking.
He's smokin' syphilitic fundie pole. You really want a puff of that scaly dragon? :eek:

He's smokin' syphilitic fundie pole. You really want a puff of that scaly dragon? :eek:

Depends on how good the trip is.

Depends on how good the trip is.
Ever seen Altered States?
Worse. It's like the whole trip, you're listening to Pauly Shore singing gospel.
And the sacrament is a suppository.

Ever seen Altered States?
Worse. It's like the whole trip, you're listening to Pauly Shore singing gospel.
And the sacrament is a suppository.
that sounds cruel and inhumane...

that sounds cruel and inhumane...
...and that detracts how, exactly? It seems so much in order with that line of thinking ...

Ever seen Altered States?
Worse. It's like the whole trip, you're listening to Pauly Shore singing gospel.
And the sacrament is a suppository.

I haven't seen altered states but I have to say I'd prefer electro shock therapy to listening to Pauly Shore sing.

...and that detracts how, exactly? It seems so much in order with that line of thinking ...
touche.

I haven't seen altered states but I have to say I'd prefer electro shock therapy to listening to Pauly Shore singHasn't the UN passed a Pauly Shore Non-proliferation act yet? they should get on that.

I'm from Missouri, watch the news 3 times per day, and this is the first I've heard of it. I guess now we know why there's a "border war" between MO and KS. Crazy people on both sides.


There's a border war going on!? Damn! I am looking at it right now and all seems peaceful from here. In fact as far as we are concerned as long as you all don't try keeping slaves again we don't really care about killing you anymore.

I haven't seen altered states but I have to say I'd prefer electro shock therapy to listening to Pauly Shore sing.
Well, how about John "Fraidy-cat" Ashcroft singing "harmony"? :eek:
http://www.whitehouse.org/media/ashcroft-bacon/index.asp

http://www.symbolman.com/corpabuse.html

http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2002/02/25/ashcroft.sings.wbtv.med.html

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/multimedia/v/leteaglesoar.htm

hey i was thinking about going to college up there

thank god for KU

which costs the tax payers money. Honestly, if a law is going to clearly get shot down, why are they wasting our money passing the law and then striking it down?
It hasn't even been voted on yet. For that matter, since they haven't shown any supporters for the bill besides the idiot who authored it I'm betting it has a snowflakes chance in hell of passing. Stupid shit like this comes up on both sides of the aisle, but normally it's only noticed after it gets voted on, if at all.

I think it's all just an early manifestation of larger problems caused by inbreeding. Another 20 years, they will be passing a bill to offer free health care to hemophiliacs.

hey i was thinking about going to college up there

thank god for KU

You are going to love it. It really is a very nice place to get a very good education without the level of radical bullshit that goes on elsewhere.

Well, how about John "Fraidy-cat" Ashcroft singing "harmony"? :eek:
http://www.whitehouse.org/media/ashcroft-bacon/index.asp

http://www.symbolman.com/corpabuse.html

http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2002/02/25/ashcroft.sings.wbtv.med.html

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/multimedia/v/leteaglesoar.htm

You sir are now apart of my Axis of Evil posters. :mad:

You sir are now apart of my Axis of Evil posters. :mad:
Woohoo! You called me "sir"!
...
Btw, who else is in our elite, esteemed, and illustrious group?
(BTW, there's a reason he's called "Fraidy-cat" .. know what it is?)

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html

is it just me, or does this seem extremely wrong? I mean, we have it expressly stated in the bill of rights that congress can't establish a state religion, and that the laws of the constitution are extended to the states as well. This just seems to be a complete abuse of power and purposely creating a law that violates constitutional law.

I think it's great! :D Course, it probably is unconstitutional if their trying to really establish it rather than simply recognize it....

I'm from Missouri, watch the news 3 times per day, and this is the first I've heard of it. I guess now we know why there's a "border war" between MO and KS. Crazy people on both sides.

The redeeming feature is that MO state government really doesn't mean much. MO is really a bunch of "city states". You only get the news from the city closest to you. As far as KC is concerned SL, Springfield, Joplin, St. Jo, and all the others don't exist. And the same is true of all the others toward each other. Jeff City is just a rumor to the rest of the state. Nobody would care if it disappeared.

While i agree with almost everything you say and i am from the great state of Missoura, the only problem is a body of law makers in that which we would not care if it disappears has cut medicaid to those who most need it, taken funding for services to the disabled away and way more.. and now seems to be about to tell us which religion we must have too.

I'm in KC and I did see it on TV - fox 4 of course.. so maybe I should congratulate you on not watching 4.. I try and avoid it as much as possible too...

Pretty much to echo your remarks.. we need to get rid of the right wing state Government making laws that all the major cities don't want, but are dumped with because rural Missouri turned out to vote for sanctity of marriage state laws and gave Mat Blunt the keys to the Governor's mansion while they were there.

Fucking shit. :headbang:
This country is going to the dogs. The mad dogs.

Going to the dogs? Actually i think the dogs have had it for almost 6 years. I think the dogs are getting nervous about not having it much longer so they are trying to steamroll everything they can through before they've had their day.

Because Christianity is the one religion of God, and its truth is manifest in its power. :(

Yes indeed it's a pity a lot of people quest for power by manifesting their own advancement in the name of God and his power!:rolleyes:

Christianity is the only true light - there is no problem with this law. The first amendment says congress can't pass this law, not the state legislatures and anyway we should repeal the first amendment so we can finally form a more perfect union, under God, with Jesus and Bibles for all.

Either you have no idea of the ideals this country was founded under by the writers of the constitution and bill of rights OR You are even more sarcastic than I am - I'm not sure which you are at this point but I am hoping for the latter.;)

This is not a violation of the first amendment, The first amendment don't not mention anything about separation of church and state but rather grants "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...", which by reading what has been provided, has not been tampered with. Missouri residents are still free to worship or not worship any god/spirit of thier choosing, and the Missouri Government has not "established" a religion, they are just recognized the fact that withing the state of missouir, the christian faith has a overwelming majority. I believe the intent of this bill is to allow people to freely display items the exemplify the christian faith. I still feel that it is wrong to establish a government recognized "majority religion," as that is begging for religious bigotry by both the government itself and the people that are under it. However, if your are going to be up in arms about what is happening, you need to make sure you know exactly what it is that you are debating. Separation of Church and state is not in the constitution but rather is an idea that was brought up in a letter from Thomas Jefferson.
( http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html )

Why not just call rename Missouri the "Holy Missouri State"? :)