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Through my conversations with many prominent posters, one theme has came up many times. NS General is dying. Most threads these days are just rehashes of debates we've had dozens, if not hundreds, of time. There seems to be no activity, and no life.

So, my question to you, how do we (the old guard posters) breathe new life into NS?

we need to do something that involves nudity...

we need to do something that involves nudity...

More than that.

We need a revolution in thought. A true Revolution.

I may not be a member of the Old Guard, but my generation of posters started out as light debaters and spammers, and now the next generation doesn't seem very promising. If we can't get better newbs, then we need to keep the old alive as long as possible.

More than that.

We need a revolution in thought. A true Revolution.

By "more than that" you mean in addition to right? Can I help?

More than that.

We need a revolution in thought. A true Revolution.
Provided that we can revolt while naked (and I am quite sure that the majority of NSers are very proficient at that), I'm on board.

Through my conversations with many prominent posters, one theme has came up many times. NS General is dying. Most threads these days are just rehashes of debates we've had dozens, if not hundreds, of time. There seems to be no activity, and no life.

So, my question to you, how do we (the old guard posters) breathe new life into NS?
I've been a member of lots of boards and have run my own now for four years. Its just the way it is. It goes in waves and it gets old. Traffic goes up, traffic goes down. People come and people go. Some people find a home and stick around for a long time, some people find it fun for a cup of coffee and are never seen again. You say its stale, but I really enjoy it just the way it is now. Kinda like life, I guess. :rolleyes:


Wow. That was fuckin' deep. :eek:

The rules have been tightened up so much that there's less room to move in making the forums interesting. We need a few more 'pet nazis', but when they come along, everybody just say's 'oh a new pet nazi' and they disapear. We need to treat them like pets but not flat out tell them they're pets.

A Generalite Revolution. We need to post to stay alive, but the posts ain't getting better.

We need more old posters back, that's for sure.

We need more old posters back, that's for sure.

Very true.

We need new blood, but infused with our old ideals.

So, my question to you, how do we (the old guard posters) breathe new life into NS?
Go away?

I may not be a member of the Old Guard, but my generation of posters started out as light debaters and spammers, and now the next generation doesn't seem very promising. If we can't get better newbs, then we need to keep the old alive as long as possible.

Not sure which generation I count as, but you're right in that a lot of the newer people just seem to be generally worse quality. I think one of the problems may be that NS has just grown too big. It's hard to build friendly camraderie when there are so many people who don't know eachother. A few smart people stand out, but that's about it.

Give it up, guys. You can't get it back and you can't keep it from changing. Its like your neighborhood when yu were growing up only on fast forward. ;)

We need more old posters back, that's for sure.
I remember Neo-Anarchists, a bit of Jesussaves, Bottle, Roach-Busters, and many others.

Perhaps more trolling? Keeps life interesting from the mundane. Can make bets to see how long it takes the mods to shut the thread down. ;)

Go away?

We cannot abandon the forum that has brought us so much! We have an obligation!

Give it up, guys. You can't get it back and you can't keep it from changing.
Best response so far.

Give it up, guys. You can't get it back and you can't keep it from changing. Its like your neighborhood when yu were growing up only on fast forward. ;)

Bull. That's what the Tsar said before he got communized.

As a member of NS General's Old Guard, I'll give my own opinion here:

We need more freedom (take our cue from Athar), better and more engaging debates (~ from the UN forum), and some posters who have now sadly left us (~ from summer '05, especially July and August). Then a new golden age for General will truly begin. ;)

Give it up, guys. You can't get it back and you can't keep it from changing. Its like your neighborhood when yu were growing up only on fast forward. ;)
Except the neighborhood is at least changing in a way that is appreciable. It will go ghetto, which makes it cheap and interesting, or it will go "snob knob", which makes it expensive and WASPish. No one should have to see their neighborhood go "n00b politico", that is just too cruel.

When my forum was huge for a while I was afriad this same thing would happen. I created a room called O.G. Necrotic taht you had to be voted into and you had to be around for a while to get into. That way it was only us orginals.




It didn't work. traffic is a trickle of what it used to be. It will go gang busters again withing the next year. Then it will be a trickle again.


Waves...


There are still a few around from the old days, but its not like it was. We've been through three big waves of traffic and once i get used to each new one I like them as much as the old ones, but, like yoru first love, its never like the first time. :)

You guys are trying to hold onto sand with yoru bare hands. :(

As a member of NS General's Old Guard, I'll give my own opinion here:

We need more freedom (take our cue from Athar), better and more engaging
That's another issue. General has gone hill, so we've resorted to creating our own forums. We created Athar for more freedom to say all the things we can't say here. I know it's a private forum, but we've been restricting ourselves too much.

Not sure which generation I count as, but you're right in that a lot of the newer people just seem to be generally worse quality. I think one of the problems may be that NS has just grown too big. It's hard to build friendly camraderie when there are so many people who don't know eachother. A few smart people stand out, but that's about it.

thats a good point...

You guys are trying to hold onto sand with yoru bare hands. :(
So, you're saying that if we put NS in a giant bowl, everything would work out right? I suppose we could manage that.

Except the neighborhood is at least changing in a way that is appreciable. It will go ghetto, which makes it cheap and interesting, or it will go "snob knob", which makes it expensive and WASPish. No one should have to see their neighborhood go "n00b politico", that is just too cruel.
Like I said. I'm having a great time here. You may not like it and as pretentious as it sounds coming from a noob, maybe its time for you to move on.


Or you can just give up teh ghost and enjoy what you still can here.


It's kinda like wanting that old girlfriend back. She's gone, bro. I know she was really hot, but trust me... there will be more. Some won't be as hot, some may be hotter. Maybe you'll never get one as good as that one that got away, but dwelling on her will just keep you from enjoying the one you have now. Remember her and be glad you had the time you did with her. :) Now move on.

So, you're saying that if we put NS in a giant bowl, everything would work out right? I suppose we could manage that.
That actually is a good idea. NS is too big for just a few to handle, we need a way to keep ourselves together.

So, you're saying that if we put NS in a giant bowl, everything would work out right? I suppose we could manage that.

Restricting "immigration" would work, but is unfeasible.

So, you're saying that if we put NS in a giant bowl, everything would work out right? I suppose we could manage that.
It oughtn't be much harder than fixing Jolt...

So, you're saying that if we put NS in a giant bowl, everything would work out right? I suppose we could manage that.
But the metaphore for that would be to lock all the threads, lock the forums, don't allow new members and then just let people come back in and read what used to happen here. That would be sad. :( An old posters mausuleum.

Provided that we can revolt while naked (and I am quite sure that the majority of NSers are very proficient at that), I'm on board.

judging by their posts, I'd say half the people on NS do have their pants down most of the time.

Alas, they're alone...

Restricting "immigration" would work, but is unfeasible.
I was thinking more along the lines of restricting "emmigration." If a "good" poster tries to leave, we track them down and drag them back to the computer. If they try and leave a second time, we break their legs so they can't walk away from the computer, and then we drag them back.
And if someone dies, we force them to return to the land of the living, because being dead is no excuse for laying down on the job.

Restricting "immigration" would work, but is unfeasible.

We could just get more socially vicious. You know, actually ostracizing annoying n00bs instead of just criticizing them. Putting up lists of people who aren't allowed to start threads, post, etc., based on our opinion of them. That's the only way I could see it working.

Very true.

We need new blood, but infused with our old ideals.

I'm willing to be indoctrinated with old ideals! and then I can make the propaganda!

But the metaphore for that would be to lock all the threads, lock the forums, don't allow new members and then just let people come back in and read what used to happen here. That would be sad. :( An old posters mausuleum.

Better than a n00b whorehouse.

We could just get more socially vicious. You know, actually ostracizing annoying n00bs instead of just criticizing them. Putting up lists of people who aren't allowed to start threads, post, etc., based on our opinion of them. That's the only way I could see it working.
And I can see the Mods coming in and locking every single thread listing them as flamebait, banning us who are actually trying to allay the situation, and getting us nowhere.

Any other brilliant suggestions?

I'm willing to be indoctrinated with old ideals! and then I can make the propaganda!

Unfortunately, it's not as simple as all that. It's a matter of personality.

We could just get more socially vicious. You know, actually ostracizing annoying n00bs instead of just criticizing them. Putting up lists of people who aren't allowed to start threads, post, etc., based on our opinion of them. That's the only way I could see it working.
We could, but would the mods allow us to do this? It's not flaming, just keeping a watchful eye on things.

And I can see the Mods coming in and locking every single thread listing them as flamebait, banning us who are actually trying to allay the situation, and getting us nowhere.

Any other brilliant suggestions?

SPAM.

Spam will save us. Not Spammy-spam, good spam. Spam that challenges the mind. Original threads. Give the new posters something to look up to.

Do you mind if I ask how long this place has been around?

Unfortunately, it's not as simple as all that. It's a matter of personality.

Darn....well...Umm...I can make good Kool-Aid for any future conventions...

Darn....well...Umm...I can make good Kool-Aid for any future conventions...
Ass kisser. :p

Do you mind if I ask how long this place has been around?

A long damn time. This isn't even our original host.

One thing I miss, even though I never participated, were the actual roleplays. The coffeeshop, NS General Balls, random strandings on deserted islands, and even the Gods and Goddesses all running around with their temples.

Those were quite fun to read. :)

And I can see the Mods coming in and locking every single thread listing them as flamebait, banning us who are actually trying to allay the situation, and getting us nowhere.

Any other brilliant suggestions?

In the end, you're right, it would be suicidal, but it would be the only feasible way to keep the forums ours. In the end we'd lose them anyway.

That's why keeping the forum in a bowl is not going to work. In order to get better people on the forum we can't just restrict it to good people to begin with, we have to somehow make everyone else good. Would n00bs listen to instruction? Could they be instructed?

Better than a n00b whorehouse.
After all - there's no whore like an old whore, eh TSI?

Do you mind if I ask how long this place has been around?
Since the Dawn of Time, and at approxiametly 28.7 minutes after the Dawn of Time, someone started complaining that the forums weren't as good as back in the golden ages of the first 10 minutes.

In the end, you're right, it would be suicidal, but it would be the only feasible way to keep the forums ours. In the end we'd lose them anyway.

That's why keeping the forum in a bowl is not going to work. In order to get better people on the forum we can't just restrict it to good people to begin with, we have to somehow make everyone else good. Would n00bs listen to instruction? Could they be instructed?

The mods should be allies, not enemies. Do you think they like policing the crappy, flamish threads? They would love it if there was a revolution.

SPAM.

Spam will save us. Not Spammy-spam, good spam. Spam that challenges the mind. Original threads. Give the new posters something to look up to.
Blue is the colour of spam, the colour that will save us. We've tried that. It doesn't seem to get us very far.

There are way too many people running to Moderation these days. :(

So many trivial matters are being reported that these boards are almost self censoring.

We need thicker skinned posters, and less complaining.

BTW, I have never complained to Moderation even though I have been called every name under the sun.

After all - there's no whore like an old whore, eh TSI?

Exactly. We may be post whores, but we know what's foreplay and what's abuse.

I was always fun, wasn't i

Oh yeah, you guys don't know who i am.......................

Well, I try to be fun again, I SWEAR! :D

Blue is the colour of spam, the colour that will save us. We've tried that. It doesn't seem to get us very far.

We, in the past, have but revolted. We need more than a revolt. We need a Revolution.

There are way too many people running to Moderation these days. :(

So many trivial matters are being reported that these boards are almost self censoring.

We need thicker skinned posters, and less complaining.

BTW, I have never complained to Moderation even though I have been called every name under the sun.

Including wood varnish spritzing hobo? I've used that before, the look on their face is priceless....

I was always fun, wasn't i
Spelling Nazi sense, tingling . . .

A long damn time. This isn't even our original host.
That doesn't mean anything. My forum has only been around for this long:

Gender:
Joined: 17 Jul 2002
Posts: 9653
Location: Los Angeles

Has thsi many members and posts:

Necrotic users have posted a total of 466657 articles
We have 13660 registered freaks
The newest registered freak is deranged_insanity1_0

And has been on about 7 hosts.

the reason I ask is because I want to do a littel experiment and see if you rwaves are the same as mine. Someone a while back mentioned bringing back the posters from the Summer of '05. My forum goes through about 6 month cycles. I wanted to see if it was kind of a rule of thumb.

We, in the past, have but revolted. We need more than a revolt. We need a Revolution.
How the hell are we going to do that? We have a handful of Generalites and a few Atharites. That won't get us much attention.

Blue is the colour of spam, the colour that will save us. We've tried that. It doesn't seem to get us very far.

Maybe not the simple spam, but some of the more complex stuff was good. The NS General Election got n00bs and oldies alike involved and entertained. Perhaps we need something like that again.

We, in the past, have but revolted. We need more than a revolt. We need a Revolution.

make a NS constitution?

Anyway, I always assumed there's just a dozen or so actual people posting on these forums, albeit through hundreds of puppets... not to mention serial personae, like me. Sure my post-count's about a grand, give or take, but this is maybe my fourth 'keeper' nation.

Maybe not the simple spam, but some of the more complex stuff was good. The NS General Election got n00bs and oldies alike involved and entertained. Perhaps we need something like that again.
But the Parliament doesn't do much. : / But your point still stands. We need biting satire and things that bring us together, or else the other option is exclusion of n00bs.

How the hell are we going to do that? We have a handful of Generalites and a few Atharites. That won't get us much attention.

So did Lenin. We must mobilize the masses. We must include more than the old guard. We must include the proletariat!

How the hell are we going to do that? We have a handful of Generalites and a few Atharites. That won't get us much attention.

Numbers isn't the issue on the web, it's noise. Talk as if you represent everyone and you will represent everyone.

I think we should just start better threads, thus giving the n00bs better ideas. And the introduction for newbies thread should be re-stickied, burying it in a consolidation thread isn't going to help anyone. NSG was better when it was at the top of the forum for everyone to read, because who has time to dig through all kinds of threads to look for it... you may notice that the forums started going down after it was unstickied.... and I'm not just saying that because I created it. Seriously. ;)

There are way too many people running to Moderation these days. :(

So many trivial matters are being reported that these boards are almost self censoring.

We need thicker skinned posters, and less complaining.

BTW, I have never complained to Moderation even though I have been called every name under the sun.
We don't censor shit! :p

We just shove all teh bitching and moaning and fights into here. (http://necroticobsession.com/bb/viewforum.php?f=42)

Makes it more fun. I hate over moderated boards. :upyours:

I think we should just start better threads, thus giving the n00bs better ideas. And the introduction for newbies thread should be re-stickied, burying it in a consolidation thread isn't going to help anyone. NSG was better when it was at the top of the forum for everyone to read, because who has time to dig through all kinds of threads to look for it... you may notice that the forums started going down after it was unstickied.... and I'm not just saying that because I created it. Seriously. ;)

Czardas has a good point. N00bs don't try to be bad, they just don't know any better. It's our job to instruct them.

How the hell are we going to do that? We have a handful of Generalites and a few Atharites. That won't get us much attention.
Part of your problem is the words you are using. "Revolution"? Who, exactly, are you to revolt against? You've been here longer, you're established, you know each other, you have "systems" in place, and right now you're having a governing council. You are the establishment, not the n00bs.
What is needed is a counter insurgency. A wave of puppets to overpower the invading forces of stupidity and win some stability.

Part of your problem is the words you are using. "Revolution"? Who, exactly, are you to revolt against? You've been here longer, you're established, you know each other, you have "systems" in place, and right now you're having a governing council. You are the establishment, not the n00bs.
What is needed is a counter insurgency. A wave of puppets to overpower the invading forces of stupidity and win some stability.

We are but the people. We need a Revolution against the system. We need a revolution against the cycle of n00bishness.

Part of your problem is the words you are using. "Revolution"? Who, exactly, are you to revolt against? You've been here longer, you're established, you know each other, you have "systems" in place, and right now you're having a governing council. You are the establishment, not the n00bs.
What is needed is a counter insurgency. A wave of puppets to overpower the invading forces of stupidity and win some stability.
I agree with you there. But we need to be vocal. We need a monopoly that holds the best of what NSG has to offer.

well im not old on this, but i am old on other forum sites, and other chat places, etc...

from what i notice is, people realize they have lives outside of the forum, so they go deal with those lives, they forget all about the forums. and while they are gone a different set of people come and become vocal and what in a forum. this changes the whole mood of the forum, sometimes for the better or sometimes for the worse.

this is not something you can prevent, it will always happen.

We need a Revolution against the system. So, you want to hack the site? :eek:

We are but the people. We need a Revolution against the system. We need a revolution against the cycle of n00bishness.

It's a revolution in our own thought as well. We need to start thinking differently about threads in order to regain the beauty of the past. It's our fault just as much as it is the n00bs that nothing good's been up here recently.

That doesn't mean anything. My forum has only been around for this long:

Gender:
Joined: 17 Jul 2002
Posts: 9653
Location: Los Angeles

Has thsi many members and posts:

Necrotic users have posted a total of 466657 articles
We have 13660 registered freaks
The newest registered freak is deranged_insanity1_0

And has been on about 7 hosts.

the reason I ask is because I want to do a littel experiment and see if you rwaves are the same as mine. Someone a while back mentioned bringing back the posters from the Summer of '05. My forum goes through about 6 month cycles. I wanted to see if it was kind of a rule of thumb.
NS was started in November '02. It has gone through three hosts: the original NS site (Nov '02 to summer '03), phpBB (summer '03 to summer '04), and Jolt (summer '04 to present). THere are a total of approximately 4,000,000 posts on the NS forums, or over 6 million counting the purges on phpBB and previously. We have something like 4,500 users, about 1,000 of which post regularly or have more than about 500 posts. About 1/10 of these are puppets.

In Summer 2005 NS experienced its first "golden age". The forums were much more liberal than they are now. NS reached an all-time high of 140,000 active nations at one point, to its 118,000~ now. The forums were populated by many personalities who have since sunk into obscurity: Neo-Anarchists, The Imperial Navy, Cogitation, Melkor Unchained, Zotona, Neo Rogolia, The Noble Men, Lord-General Drache, Colodia, and so on (many of these are still around and simply not doing anything of significance). Then, for an as yet unexplained reason, it began to decline to its current cesspool of crime and depravity (figuratively speaking).

well im not old on this, but i am old on other forum sites, and other chat places, etc...

from what i notice is, people realize they have lives outside of the forum, so they go deal with those lives, they forget all about the forums. and while they are gone a different set of people come and become vocal and what in a forum. this changes the whole mood of the forum, sometimes for the better or sometimes for the worse.

this is not something you can prevent, it will always happen.
Yeah, that's exactly what I've been trying to tell them. I guess forums changing like they do is as inevitable as people trying to keep them from changing. :(

It's a revolution in our own thought as well. We need to start thinking differently about threads in order to regain the beauty of the past. It's our fault just as much as it is the n00bs that nothing good's been up here recently.
This has my full support. But we need crowd control somehow. We need to discipline ourselves, I'll even stop posting my garbage if it'll help NSG.

We are but the people. We need a Revolution against the system. We need a revolution against the cycle of n00bishness.
But you are the system! The m0ds are off masturbating to the sound of their own voices (damn, I love that phrase) for most of the time, but you lot are always around. You're no more proles than Lenin was a peasant, and as long as you refuse to acknowledge your elite position, you'll just talk.
There is a revolt, the n00bishness is a continual assault from the bottom at the top, what is needed is a counter-revolution to reinstate the old posters, reapply the old ways, and re-*random verb here* the *random noun here*.

Czardas has a good point. N00bs don't try to be bad, they just don't know any better. It's our job to instruct them.
Or we can just start posting links in every n00b thread... these things will eventually get passed on and understood, and the forums will become a better place.

NS was started in November '02. It has gone through three hosts: the original NS site (Nov '02 to summer '03), phpBB (summer '03 to summer '04), and Jolt (summer '04 to present). THere are a total of approximately 4,000,000 posts on the NS forums, or over 6 million counting the purges on phpBB and previously. We have something like 4,500 users, about 1,000 of which post regularly or have more than about 500 posts. About 1/10 of these are puppets.

In Summer 2005 NS experienced its first "golden age". The forums were much more liberal than they are now. NS reached an all-time high of 140,000 active nations at one point, to its 118,000~ now. The forums were populated by many personalities who have since sunk into obscurity: Neo-Anarchists, The Imperial Navy, Cogitation, Melkor Unchained, Zotona, Neo Rogolia, The Noble Men, Lord-General Drache, Colodia, and so on (many of these are still around and simply not doing anything of significance). Then, for an as yet unexplained reason, it began to decline to its current cesspool of crime and depravity (figuratively speaking).
So since you've been here this long do you agree with my premise that the waves are about six months in length? I only know my forum. To be honest this is the only forum I have posted this much on that isn't my own so I can't really compare.

Maybe this "Old Guard" should make way for a "New Guard"? Forum politics.....worse then high school politics.

This has my full support. But we need crowd control somehow. We need to discipline ourselves, I'll even stop posting my garbage if it'll help NSG.

Yes. We are also at fault. We are feeding the filth. We allowed NS to become this.

Spelling Nazi sense, tingling . . .
Come on Fiddles, think back. you know this grammar from somewhere! I won't admit it, but when you say it, you will know! ;)

But you are the system! The m0ds are off masturbating to the sound of their own voices (damn, I love that phrase) for most of the time, but you lot are always around. You're no more proles than Lenin was a peasant, and as long as you refuse to acknowledge your elite position, you'll just talk.
There is a revolt, the n00bishness is a continual assault from the bottom at the top, what is needed is a counter-revolution to reinstate the old posters, reapply the old ways, and re-*random verb here* the *random noun here*.

A conservative Revolution, then? A revolution to reenstate the old ways?

Maybe this "Old Guard" should make way for a "New Guard"? Forum politics.....worse then high school politics.
The New Guard will be the death of General.

Or we can just start posting links in every n00b thread... these things will eventually get passed on and understood, and the forums will become a better place.
But that would take the fun out of having n00bs around :( Whoa, they redid the smilie thingy. AAGH WHERE IS IT? :eek:

:upyours:, new smilie window. They didn't even add any. I think n00bs is what's keeping this forum alive. Else we'd be having somewhat rational discussions about abortion, Iraq, and which religion is the best. Wait, no we wouldn't. :p

Is it that time of year already?

You really ought to change the title of this thread. This must be the fifth or sixth time that concerned members of the General community have made a thread about fixing things.

Fact is, things change here. They're not like they used to be, and they never will be again. The people who can't handle that leave, form their own forums where they're the bosses and all their NS friends go and jump ship to the new forum, and then 75% of them come back when those people became even more heavy handed fascist than the NS mods ever could have dreamt of. There was FUA, there was Paradise Beach, there will be more.

Every "generation" starts off like this. There's lots of new posters, and it's hard to differentiate the good from the bad. But the shit posters that we all hate will go away, and the good ones will remain. I can't think of any 2006 posters off the top of my head that I've been impressed with, but in four months, we'll all be talking about so-and-so being such a great poster. It happens with each new wave of posters. The good rises to the top. Look at The Cat-Tribe. He hasn't been around for very long, at least by my standards. Once upon a time, he was a face in the crowd of new posters to me, indistinguishable. Now he's one of the most highly-regarded posters here. It just happens. This forum used to be extremely elitist, with the group of people who were here since the beginning looking down upon every new poster, regardless of their contributions. I hated the way it was then and now that I'm one of those "old guard" types that everyone sort of reveres, I have resolved to do everything I can to keep it from becoming that way again. Just wait the new people out. I guarantee you people looked at you all the way you're looking at the new batch of posters.

In eight months or so, there'll be another thread, just like this, where posters that are just starting now will bemoan the way the forum "used to be" and complain about how we're not allowed to do this or that anymore like we used to be able to do. And there will be grumpy people like me who have been around for an actual long time and have a larger sense of how the forum has evolved, reminding you that things aren't that bad.

Yes, things have changed. Yes, this forum used to be more fun, at least in my opinion. We had word games and light roleplay threads for those of us interested in the RP aspect but not willing to commit in the way that the NS or II forums require. Punishment for flaming and trolling was a lot more lax, and people got away with a lot. I imagine a fair amount of you posting on this thread now don't even remember when word games dominated General, or, even better (or worse, depending on your browser), when quote pyramid threads dominated. I, frankly, enjoyed the way things used to be greatly. But that doesn't mean that this new version of General is lesser, or not as much fun. It's just that the fun is to be had in different ways. There's a lot more threads about music and movies and such, serious, but good-natured, discussions. That never happened in the old forum. It was either pointless spammy fluff or pointless flamey arguments.

And these new debates can be a lot less frustrating, for the same reason that a lot of people don't like it now; the crackdown on flaming, flamebaiting, and trolling. Sure, it seems like the mods rule with an iron fist, crushing all unapproved behavior, but I think it's a lot better than the way it used to be. Time was, pretty much every "debate" thread would be littered with personal attacks galore, abandoning the original thread debate by page 3. Infuriatingly trollish threads abound, and nothing was ever done, because the moderators just didn't punish rulebreakers like they did now. You couldn't have an intelligent debate with someone about anything without dozens of people having side arguments about the promiscuity of each others' mothers. At least now, when I'm frustrated, it's because someone isn't seeing things my way, not because they just insulted my penis size. And you can't even imagine what things were like when there were no moderators at all.

Yeah, you have those people who run afoul of the mods and claim that they're too strict, but I've been here three years with my same snide, sarcastic, flamey comments, and I've managed to not have a single warning (that I know of) because I know the rules and don't break them. The people complaining about the rules are the ones unable to follow them.

Things aren't going to stop changing. This isn't even close to the same forum it was when I joined. It was a fluffy social forum. Now it's a hardcore political debate forum. I can't say I disliked either version. And I can hardly imagine what this forum will be like next year, or in two years, or more. But I've been here for almost 3 years now, and obviously there's something attracting me and keeping me here.

And H N Fiddlebottoms VIII is right. We've been bitching about the good old days since the good old days.

Newb is acceptable, they're willing to learn. N00bs are the problem.

The New Guard will be the death of General.

How can you possibly know that? What if the "New Guard" is better then the old in the end? At one time wasn't the "Old Guard" the "New Guard"?

Kids these days with their rock n' roll and their dancin' and carryin' on!
http://tedstrong.com/graphics2005/patbitchrobertson05.jpg

It's the devil's work, I tells ya!

How can you possibly know that? What if the "New Guard" is better then the old in the end? At one time wasn't the "Old Guard" the "New Guard"?
The Old Guard was the New Guard when the New Guard was the Newer Guard and the Old Guard then was the Old Old Guard and then the New Guard evolved into the Old Guard and now we have a halibut.

This really is all much ado about nothing, fellas. Just do what you do, be who you are, take no prisoners and Bob's your uncle.


Relax, fer peet's sake. I prefer using relaxed peet to cultivate my fröp.

*snip*
There were a lot of words here, and I am lazy, so I didn't read any of them and was going to dismiss the post out of hand until I saw . . .
And H N Fiddlebottoms VIII is right. We've been bitching about the good old days since the good old days.
Now I whole heartedly endorse whatever views that epic production was designed to espouse. I still haven't read it, of course, because I have shiny things to stare at, but if it involves me being right it can't be that bad.

But you are the system! The m0ds are off masturbating to the sound of their own voices (damn, I love that phrase) for most of the time, but you lot are always around. You're no more proles than Lenin was a peasant, and as long as you refuse to acknowledge your elite position, you'll just talk.
There is a revolt, the n00bishness is a continual assault from the bottom at the top, what is needed is a counter-revolution to reinstate the old posters, reapply the old ways, and re-*random verb here* the *random noun here*.

Gee, thanks. My keyboard's nowhere near as sticky as yours.

In Summer 2005 NS experienced its first "golden age". The forums were much more liberal than they are now. NS reached an all-time high of 140,000 active nations at one point, to its 118,000~ now. The forums were populated by many personalities who have since sunk into obscurity: Neo-Anarchists, The Imperial Navy, Cogitation, Melkor Unchained, Zotona, Neo Rogolia, The Noble Men, Lord-General Drache, Colodia, and so on (many of these are still around and simply not doing anything of significance). Then, for an as yet unexplained reason, it began to decline to its current cesspool of crime and depravity (figuratively speaking).

See, that's entirely dependent of perspective. In Summer 2005 people from Summer 2004 were complaining that the forum sucked compared to the way it was. In Summer 2004 people from Summer 2003 were complaining that the forum sucked compared to the way it was. The first supposed "golden age" was the period right before I joined until right about when I started actually posting, February 2003-August 2003. I started posting in earnest right at the end of this supposed "golden age" when all the prominent personalities, like NEE, Parratoga, CE, BMV, Blue Viper, Normack, Nyborg, etc. were abandoning the forum. Time was older posters were complaining about the people you just listed. This has been going on for the entire history of the forum.

Gee, thanks. My keyboard's nowhere near as sticky as yours.
I don't know what you're talking about, I have some tissues and a bottle of hand sanitizer at my desk.

See, that's entirely dependent of perspective. In Summer 2005 people from Summer 2004 were complaining that the forum sucked compared to the way it was. In Summer 2004 people from Summer 2003 were complaining that the forum sucked compared to the way it was. The first supposed "golden age" was the period right before I joined until right about when I started actually posting, February 2003-August 2003. I started posting in earnest right at the end of this supposed "golden age" when all the prominent personalities, like NEE, Parratoga, CE, BMV, Blue Viper, Normack, Nyborg, etc. were abandoning the forum. Time was older posters were complaining about the people you just listed. This has been going on for the entire history of the forum.

The first 'golden age' I heard constantly talked about was 'summer' (winter for me) 2003.

See, that's entirely dependent of perspective. In Summer 2005 people from Summer 2004 were complaining that the forum sucked compared to the way it was. In Summer 2004 people from Summer 2003 were complaining that the forum sucked compared to the way it was. The first supposed "golden age" was the period right before I joined until right about when I started actually posting, February 2003-August 2003. I started posting in earnest right at the end of this supposed "golden age" when all the prominent personalities, like NEE, Parratoga, CE, BMV, Blue Viper, Normack, Nyborg, etc. were abandoning the forum. Time was older posters were complaining about the people you just listed. This has been going on for the entire history of the forum.

Even if it's an inevitable cycle, that's no reason why we can't make a last ditch stand against it. The magic is gone, and the forum has stopped being a source of enjoyment. If we can take some sort of action to get that magic back, even if the effort is just a symptom of our inevitably shortsighted faux-fogyness, then so be it, we'll do it. Our gold may be someone else's shit, but it's still our gold.

The first 'golden age' I heard constantly talked about was 'summer' (winter for me) 2003.

Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. February 2003-August 2003, roughly.

Even if it's an inevitable cycle, that's no reason why we can't make a last ditch stand against it. The magic is gone, and the forum has stopped being a source of enjoyment. If we can take some sort of action to get that magic back, even if the effort is just a symptom of our inevitably shortsighted faux-fogyness, then so be it, we'll do it. Our gold may be someone else's shit, but it's still our gold.

But we shouldn't stand against it. Change isn't bad. The forum won't be worse unless you're too stuck in your ways to adapt.

But we shouldn't stand against it. Change isn't bad. The forum won't be worse unless you're too stuck in your ways to adapt.

It's not really something one can adapt to. There is something that was in the forums that isn't, and it somehow made them worthwhile. I'm less sure as to what that is than the others, but I don't like the fact that it's gone now. There was beauty there, and none of the changes that are supposedly sweeping the place have been able to bring it back.

I don't get it, I'm having lots of fun these days. I don't know why so many of you aren't. Whenever I stopped having fun on the forums, I became someone else. And started having fun again.

Maybe it's not the forums that need changing.

It's not really something one can adapt to. There is something that was in the forums that isn't, and it somehow made them worthwhile. I'm less sure as to what that is than the others, but I don't like the fact that it's gone now. There was beauty there, and none of the changes that are supposedly sweeping the place have been able to bring it back.

But you can. I have. I once posted on a General forum that was drastically different from the one you bemoan now. Many people thought it was better. A lot of those people are no longer around here. But the forum changed into the General that you now wish was back, and I changed with it. Point is that it's going to change, and if you really love the way the forum was and no other way, you might as well leave now, because it's not coming back. Ride the wave, man.

I don't get it, I'm having lots of fun these days. I don't know why so many of you aren't. Whenever I stopped having fun on the forums, I became someone else. And started having fun again.

Maybe it's not the forums that need changing.

Who were you previously?

But you can. I have. I once posted on a General forum that was drastically different from the one you bemoan now. Many people thought it was better. A lot of those people are no longer around here. But the forum changed into the General that you now wish was back, and I changed with it. Point is that it's going to change, and if you really love the way the forum was and no other way, you might as well leave now, because it's not coming back. Ride the wave, man.

Yeah, intellectually I know. It's just hard to find what to enjoy about the new situation when you aren't even sure what kept you hooked in the old one. You just know that something good is gone, and that isn't too helpful when looking for a replacement. In some ways that's what this thread could be useful for, helping this new crop of oldies to find surrogate pleasures for the next eight months.

September-ish '04 wasn't bad either (or some time around then), when we had Jesussaves to brighten things up a bit.

Anyone wanna volunteer to do this week's Sock Puppet? :eek:

Yeah, intellectually I know. It's just hard to find what to enjoy about the new situation when you aren't even sure what kept you hooked in the old one. You just know that something good is gone, and that isn't too helpful when looking for a replacement. In some ways that's what this thread could be useful for, helping this new crop of oldies to find surrogate pleasures for the next eight months.

I know the feeling. I've taken several sabbaticals. I took one right after the move to Jolt back in July or whatever 2004. Didn't post for three or four months. Finally came back, and was refreshed. Felt new again. Did it again just recently, from September 2005 until a few weeks ago. It's good. Step away, and then come back later. You might appreciate the forum more.

Through my conversations with many prominent posters, one theme has came up many times. NS General is dying. Most threads these days are just rehashes of debates we've had dozens, if not hundreds, of time. There seems to be no activity, and no life.

So, my question to you, how do we (the old guard posters) breathe new life into NS?
We need Michael Jackson to come back!!!!! And the Red Arrow!!!

Who were you previously?
That'd be telling.

I started playing the game a few years ago, but didn't bother with the forums for at least a year or so. I found it all quite intimidating at the time. My first incarnation ended up deleted after 6k posts or so, for cumulative transgressions (several of which were, in my opinion, a bit offside - but I digress.) My second incarnation, though perhaps my favourite, nonetheless attained a status on the forums tantamount to wearing a 'kick me' sign at a meeting of the size-twelve shoe club. That lasted another 6 or 7k.

But I like this persona. It's smart without being too jaded, passionate without the histrionics, and far more easy-going than versions 1 & 2.

Who was I previously?
*runs off giggling*
Dobbs Town
Dobbs World

I can't think of any 2006 posters off the top of my head that I've been impressed with,
Bullshit. You love me. I give you a boner. I'm your dram poster because I'm the guy who comes in sober that super intelligent and comes in drunk and makes a fool out of himself so you can...

Point your fuckin finger and say, "There's the bad guy!"

You need people like me!


Say hello to my little friend! :upyours:

Well, I'm not the most social poster here (indeed I tend to stick to boring debates) and I generally don't wander away from General, so maybe that's why I'm not picking things up so much.

I suppose if people feel like the mods are being to bitchy, we could make a thread in the Moderation forum and ask them nicely whether we can make a new arrangement.

Other than that, I think it's been sorta like it always has been. Sometimes I think we need more new people, because by now the established posters have pretty much debated every issue under the sun, confirmed their own views and agreed to disagree. Not all new guys are any good, but some are. So I don't think that excluding n00bs is an answer (and I wouldn't know how that would be practical either).

But to be honest, even if it is much worse, I can't get away from it. It's become a fixture of my life - I simply have nothing else to do. It's sad, but I've been incredibly bored the last two days when jolt was off-line. So I think the best we can do is to try and be creative with ourselves. And maybe start a debating championship...random issue, random side, debate and then get judged by the rest. Could either be a lot of fun, or a lot of trouble.

But to be honest, even if it is much worse, I can't get away from it. It's become a fixture of my life - I simply have nothing else to do.
Yuppers. While I don't debate well, and just generally spam, and throw my opinion here and there, I'm here to burn time away while waiting for things. I haven't been terribly bored these last few days, I've been on a reading spree actually (5 books! Näh!), but yeah, General is something to do.

Like the random idea. Due to its randomness. Randomness is always good.

Forum politics.....worse then high school politics.

You can say that again.

I guarantee more fun as soon as June comes around. The majority of posters here are busy with RL things...like school.

Once schools out...then things will pick up a little, and keep rolling right on through until the '06 elections are over.

Then we have to wait for '08 :p

Nothing can be done to bring back what "was". That is already gone. SD makes alot of great points, and said it all better than I ever could. What can be done is an active role in shaping what the forums become.

Perhaps we can use this thread, or a different one, to come up with some interesting new thread ideas? Maybe bring back some of the relics from the old days? I came in 4 '05, and caught the tail end of things like the general election. Maybe bring that back? The debates will always have the same old stuff...religion, abortion, gay rights, civil rights in general...those things are always in the news, and so will always have new topics.

What we can do is not post in the threads that are clearly trolling. We all know who is trolling. It isn't worth the pixels used to tell them they're wrong 30 times. The treads will naturally die.

I like this wave of culture-based discussion...books, movies, music, etc. But those can only carry us so far. We need ideas for new things. The topics on gender issues ended up being pretty interesting. Could these be mixed with those light roleplay threads from earlier? I don't know, but maybe someone can come up with something. Or maybe just bring back the election?

SD is right in saying that of course we don't really remember anyone from the new crop. Hell, I'm willing to bet a good number of people don't even remember me and I'm coming up to one year on the forum. Give it time. The annoying ones will get sick of us shutting them down, and what we will be left with are some truly great posters. Encourage the good ones, and politely discourage the obnoxious ones.

When I started here, there was already a "royalty" Here, complete with Newbies rebelling against them, and Elders wishing for the good old days. What is there now? A new "royalty" Complete with newbies rebelling and Elders Wishing for the good old days.

Its still the same, Only the names have changed. (Please no Bon Jovi jokes).

Oh and there used to be fun, social threads, and temples to various players. Why can't we bring those bacK? We don't have to worry about the servers crashing as much as we used to.

Meh. If all else fails the newbies will eventually become the
elders, and retire to a life of lurking.:D

That'd be telling.


Who was I previously?
*runs off giggling*
Dobbs Town
Dobbs World
i was gonna say "i think i know" because the link between bob and dobbs is pretty obvious if you know the church... but you white texted my sneaky guess away :P

Damn... is TIN ever going to return?

i shall text him and request his return... we need our spammy messiah back!


i say we either somehow manage to get a great bunch of new noobs from somewhere (a fair number of recent noobs have stuck around and made themselves most welcome - like whereyouthinkyougoing, kilobugya, Sarkhaan, even fiddly himself was new just a few months ago, right?)
OR we realise that all these debates have been done to death and get back to the spamming, sillyness, humourous threads and social stuff that makes this forum more of a 'community' than any other forum i've ever been a member of. if only the mods would allow us to be silly again - maybe we just live in fear of them nowadays... maybe we've become 'whipped'... ergo we need our spammy messiah back - when TIN left that was the beginning of this slide into the serious realms of.... seriousness...

and having Tink back would really, really help too :(

disclaimer: i'm not totally "old guard" but i suppose i'm middle-guard... and thats just the way i see it...

When I started here, there was already a "royalty" Here, complete with Newbies rebelling against them, and Elders wishing for the good old days.


Oh and there used to be fun, social threads, and temples to various players. Why can't we bring those bacK?


exactly - that was the social fun side of things that lifted those of us who were tired of the same old thing out of the drudge of debates we've seen a hundered times already. they were what made it fun to be here and what really glued the community together

that and structured debates - or debates with a point, like the election (as mentioned by Sarkhaan)... i TGed Ariddia last night about the election as it happens cos we were supposed to have one last month... will await a reply (seeing how he's the election master and all)

More than that.

We need a revolution in thought. A true Revolution.

I'm in!!!

Through my conversations with many prominent posters, one theme has came up many times. NS General is dying. Most threads these days are just rehashes of debates we've had dozens, if not hundreds, of time. There seems to be no activity, and no life.

So, my question to you, how do we (the old guard posters) breathe new life into NS?

this thread is boring and lifeless and appears to be a rehash of several discussions that have been before. ive only been on this forum about 6 weeks and even i can tell that.

So, my question to you, how do we (the old guard posters) breathe new life into NS?

That's easy .... loosen the definition of "spam" and bring back fun threads.

What you need is haikus'! And plays! And musicals! And gossip!

Like.. er.. pay attention Fiddles'.. this maybe about you..

You see I was told Mariehamn and Sarkhaan were seen at Sdaeriji's House of Ribs felating ferrets during which christian haikus were recited by the former to the latter. Pretty soon it all went downhill and a Hermit Crab was called in and the whole she-bang was tied to a bedpost and married to Fass.

Oh, and while I think about it, Eut was to blame!

whatever happened to moleland?
that was my heyday for NS... tink, TIN, moley, kanabia, sometimes monkeypimp and myself spamming it up 24/7 :p

time to whip this old classic out agian :D http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395863

A Generalite Revolution. We need to post to stay alive, but the posts ain't getting better.I think I got warned when I did that... back in the spring of 2004... I think it was the spring.

Does anyone remember this image from the revolution.
http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload2/napoleon3.jpg

Oh wait... I think we just revolted against everyone in that thread. I think we even tried to invade Nationstates forum because they were talking of having General removed. Mods weren't too happy with us. Who else was there. I think beaker might have still just been around and a few others.

whatever happened to moleland?
that was my heyday for NS... tink, TIN, moley, kanabia, sometimes monkeypimp and myself spamming it up 24/7 :p

time to whip this old classic out agian :D http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395863

Phroar!




http://www.ritilan.com/archives/images/2004/11/02/110204-optimus-prime-wins-election.png

I definently haven't been around her long enough to have any authority on the subject, although it seems to me that NSGeneral is going down the holes right now because of all the bad spam or debate threads.

All of the newbs are making threads to get, "involved", and they just end up making another uninteresting thread that fades into page 4 obscurity in a matter of minutes. If Czardas' thread was re-stickied and a "how to" thread was stickied for the newbies to read, we might not have this problem. Although, the older members creating threads of any interest wouldn't hurt either, and people not crying everytime a :upyours: appears after their name would probably be beneficial.

Phroar!




http://www.ritilan.com/archives/images/2004/11/02/110204-optimus-prime-wins-election.png
hahaha yay!!

more classic stuff: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412325 :p
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412129
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412328
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412557
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412565 :p
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412955
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412775
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414860 :(
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=415219
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=415599 (should do this again)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=415459 :)

anyone remember all the artpad fun too? *sighs*


If Czardas' thread was re-stickied and a "how to" thread was stickied for the newbies to read, we might not have this problem.


Although, the older members creating threads of any interest wouldn't hurt either,
true and true...

all the spontinaity is gone - i can't think about stuff to make threads about anymore (other than "spam" or silly threads that either get locked, moved, or that don't even get a look in) :(

What you need is haikus'! And plays! And musicals! And gossip!
Haikus!? What madness is this? You, goodsir, have clearly taken leave of your senses. Haikus are a dangerous force not to be engaged lightly, and most always they bring their users to ruin.
Am I the only one who remembers this particular one, penned shortly before a certain Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto went on his Hawaiin vaction in the early '40s?
Admiral goes out,
His navy follows, as well,
Pearl Harbor . . . oops.

...and people not crying everytime a :upyours: appears after their name would probably be beneficial.


Oh, Valori... :upyours:

:p

Haikus!? What madness is this? You, goodsir, have clearly taken leave of your senses. Haikus are a dangerous force not to be engaged lightly, and most always they bring their users to ruin.
Am I the only one who remembers this particular one, penned shortly before a certain Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto went on his Hawaiin vaction in the early '40s?
Admiral goes out,
His navy follows, as well,
Pearl Harbor . . . oops.
He penned it in English? Of course english Haikus are dangerous.. English is all about the Iambic Pantametre but what this forum needs is danger right?

He penned it in English?
No, its . . . its, um . . . the syllable count works out the same in Japanese, too.
Of course english Haikus are dangerous.. English is all about the Iambic Pantametre but what this forum needs is danger right?
No doubt haikus could save the forum, but at what cost to our souls? And the souls of our children? And the children of our children's souls? And the hungry ghosts?

No, its . . . its, um . . . the syllable count works out the same in Japanese, too.

No doubt haikus could save the forum, but at what cost to our souls? And the souls of our children? And the children of our children's souls? And the hungry ghosts?
Ask yourself this.. Are you not willing to sacrifice one measly soul for the sake of your own entertainment? If so, then why not two souls? Or a thousand? Can you honestly say that your children won't just squander their soul on cheap hookers and vicodin?

Sold for a Haiku
My soul no longer needed
Not to bad a trade.

:D

-snippage-
*wipes non-existant tear from eye*

We need more threads like that... My theory is that NS is manic-depressive and is currently at its "low point". After a few months the Nov '05 through Feb '06 generation will become the next group of major Generalite posters and we'll go back to the "high point"... or for those of you who actually are afflicted with such a malady and will hate me for the analogy, think of it as a sine curve. ;)

Ask yourself this.. Are you not willing to sacrifice one measly soul for the sake of your own entertainment?
But I can't sell my soul. It is a publicly traded entity now, with most of the shares being held by Hitler, Satan and Mother Therese (for a saint, that woman is one Hell of a poker player). If I sell it again, then I'll have the fraud squad on me.
Can you honestly say that your children won't just squander their soul on cheap hookers and vicodin?
Hookers and vicodin are going to be the basis for the world economy in a few years, just you watch, so it hardly counts as "squandering" to procure the most precious resources known to man.

Ah NS General from about December 2004 last year to maybe last October was genius. Sort of the perfect mix between good quality debate threads, shitty debate threads, good trolling, some bad trolling, and generally hilarious random stuff.

Now all we have left are shitty debate threads, and bad trolling. The funny threads were always my favourite though...gave the forum a character.

And what counts as "old guard"?


Surely any member, new or old, who wants to improve the forum and has good ideas should be listened to.

But I can't sell my soul. It is a publicly traded entity now, with most of the shares being held by Hitler, Satan and Mother Therese (for a saint, that woman is one Hell of a poker player). If I sell it again, then I'll have the fraud squad on me.

Hookers and vicodin are going to be the basis for the world economy in a few years, just you watch, so it hardly counts as "squandering" to procure the most precious resources known to man.
Oh sure.. let them have hookers but tell me this.. would you really sacrifice your own entertainment just for the future of a few snot-nosed brats? Seriously, a child hasa soul at the moment of conception but doesn't really need it during those nine months so will it really miss it of it hasn't been given a chance to use it? Whilst you're thinking about that consider this.. Do they really need hearts? Would you really risk subjecting yourself to subpar trolling and reasonable, friendly debates when you could probably garentee yourself an amusing distraction by finding the nearest Aztec temple! Just think about it, would you? For me..

What you need is haikus'! And plays! And musicals! And gossip!

Like.. er.. pay attention Fiddles'.. this maybe about you..

You see I was told Mariehamn and Sarkhaan were seen at Sdaeriji's House of Ribs felating ferrets during which christian haikus were recited by the former to the latter. Pretty soon it all went downhill and a Hermit Crab was called in and the whole she-bang was tied to a bedpost and married to Fass.

Oh, and while I think about it, Eut was to blame!
I did no such thing. It was clearly a weasel.

I did no such thing. It was clearly a weasel.
Weasel.. Ferrets.. Who cares!? The point is it must have taken ages to remove them hairs from between your teeth..

Weasel.. Ferrets.. Who cares!? The point is it must have taken ages to remove them hairs from between your teeth..
ugh...don't remind me. Even worse were the scratches all over my face. Little biggers have claws on them.

but how could you resist a face like this:
http://www.redpath-museum.mcgill.ca/Qbp/Images/mammals/weasel,%20least.jpg

ugh...don't remind me. Even worse were the scratches all over my face. Little biggers have claws on them.

but how could you resist a face like this:
http://www.redpath-museum.mcgill.ca/Qbp/Images/mammals/weasel,%20least.jpg
I think that if you put yourself in a postition to be seduced by a weasel then you deserve to be hurt.. I mean, my mother always said "why would you buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?". Seriously, what was you expecting? A phone call? A second date? It's a weasel! Forget commitment! It just wants to weasel in then weasel out! Whore, you deserve what you get!

I think that if you put yourself in a postition to be seduced by a weasel then you deserve to be hurt.. I mean, my mother always said "why would you buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?". Seriously, what was you expecting? A phone call? A second date? It's a weasel! Forget commitment! It just wants to weasel in then weasel out! Whore, you deserve what you get!
*lip quiver*

:(


but...I just wanted to cuddle.....


*runs away sobbing hysterically*

*lip quiver*

:(


but...I just wanted to cuddle.....


*runs away sobbing hysterically*


For sure, that's how it starts.. it's just a cuddle and then the next minute ( admittedly I'm not too sure about how long the gestation period is for human-weasel hybrids. ) you're launching fuzzy babies from the furry cup!

Ass kisser. :p

I try to take advantage of whatever I got from being black. I haven't learned how to fry chicken yet, but I can make cornbread. ^_^ Yummy....I'm hungry now...wonder if I can get my mom to make some cornbread...

I try to take advantage of whatever I got from being black. I haven't learned how to fry chicken yet, but I can make cornbread. ^_^ Yummy....I'm hungry now...wonder if I can get my mom to make some cornbread...
:headbang: I want cornbread! :headbang:

:headbang: I want cornbread! :headbang:
cornbread of ages
Danny Of Psychopath
the fuck what you want

For sure, that's how it starts.. it's just a cuddle and then the next minute ( admittedly I'm not too sure about how long the gestation period is for human-weasel hybrids. ) you're launching fuzzy babies from the furry cup!
I shall raise a human-weasel hybrid and punish you for your cruel thoughts.


Or just fluffle you:fluffle:

:headbang: I want cornbread! :headbang:

And thus is my use. Don't forget Krispy Kreme donuts too!

Does anyone have any great ideas for threads? If we could churn out pure gold, then we might increase activity and shy away from all-out debate.

We need Michael Jackson to come back!!!!! And the Red Arrow!!!


:rolleyes:

Does anyone have any great ideas for threads? If we could churn out pure gold, then we might increase activity and shy away from all-out debate.

Hmm...well...Video games doesn't seem much of a staple around here....Chatting threads only go so far 'round here it seems...Ever tried a ranting thread? (Technically, half of the debate threads seem to start with a rant of some sort...and keeping it below flaming...eh...)

I got nothing...>_> Well, I do have fishsticks:

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3908/fishystick7oh.jpg

:rolleyes:
You have to admit that RedArrow would be interesting in small doses.

You have to admit that RedArrow would be interesting in small doses.
When did we ever get him in small doses?

The first step is to replace the offensive, degrading, idiot nonsense 'forum titles' with the old ones, the ones which corrosponded to positions in government.

The first step is to replace the offensive, degrading, idiot nonsense 'forum titles' with the old ones, the ones which corrosponded to positions in government.

But I haven't reached "Pimp" yet!

When did we ever get him in small doses?
Never, but in small doses he wouldn't be that bad.

The rules have been tightened up so much that there's less room to move in making the forums interesting. We need a few more 'pet nazis', but when they come along, everybody just say's 'oh a new pet nazi' and they disapear. We need to treat them like pets but not flat out tell them they're pets.
Yes.