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For those of you who think Bush had some evil plot to allow a bunch of poor black people to die from the hurricane, you are giving him way too much credit. Here is a transcript from a tape leaked to me from two meetings in the Oval Office that makes it all too clear why Bush is ultimately responsible for the failure to respond.


Cheney: "Who should we have as homeland security cheif?"
Bush: "There's this guy Mike I used to hang out with. He knows where all the good strip bars are and he used to be able to score the sticky-icky all the time. You'll dig him. Great hunting partner. When we go hunting quail together he brings one of those hats that holds two beers and a straw."
Cheney: "That's cool. Make sure he's not one of those spases, though. I like to get pretty ripped when I hunt and I don't want to accidentally shoot him in the face or anything."

Later that week:

Bush: "Yo, Mike. Who should we have as FEMA director?"
Mike: "There's this dude I used to room with in college. We called him Brownie because he used to bring Humbolt Kind Bud brownies with him where ever we went. This one time we were on acid and tried to stick a ten spot in this strippers G and he thought her snatch was eating the bill and he freaked out, man. This dude's way cool to party with."

I'm a Goofball and I approve this thread. :)

Just another non issue anti President Bush Thread.
I know the mods wont put a stop to these threads,
but they should.

What hell did you want the guy to do? go down there drink the water til the place was dry? Can you stop blaming the President for a natural disaster.

What hell did you want the guy to do? go down there drink the water til the place was dry? Can you stop blaming the President for a natural disaster.

No...no they can't, because...Bush is THE EVIZL!!!111!!111111

What hell did you want the guy to do? go down there drink the water til the place was dry?

Clinton would've seduced the storm and well... you know. ;)

It's funny that people are actually taking this as some kind of serious critique of the president. Now, I despise the shrub as much as the next guy. But I take this thread for what it is, a joke.

Only the totally humorless (which are apparently LHC, and UNA) could take it any other way. I laugh at Clinton jokes too, but admittedly there is far, FAR more material to be had out of GW shrub.

What hell did you want the guy to do? go down there drink the water til the place was dry? Can you stop blaming the President for a natural disaster.
Sure you can!

It's funny that people are actually taking this as some kind of serious critique of the president. Now, I despise the shrub as much as the next guy. But I take this thread for what it is, a joke.

Only the totally humorless (which are apparently LHC, and UNA) could take it any other way. I laugh at Clinton jokes too, but admittedly there is far, FAR more material to be had out of GW shrub.

Eh, the problem with shrub material is that at the beginning of his adim, they were funny. However, once he started screwing up in real life and gave the jokes "life", it stopped being funny. Now it's just sad and pathetic.

Eh, the problem with shrub material is that at the beginning of his adim, they were funny. However, once he started screwing up in real life and gave the jokes "life", it stopped being funny. Now it's just sad and pathetic.
But at least we aren't lying any more!

But at least we aren't lying any more!

That's true.

You get a piece of Chocolate.

Clinton would've seduced the storm and well... you know. ;)
Bow-chicka-bow-chicka-bow-mow. :fluffle:

That's true.

You get a piece of Chocolate.
YAY! *grabs the chocolate and scurries off into a corner to munch on it happily*

YAY! *grabs the chocolate and scurries off into a corner to munch on it happily*

Family Guy, Chris Griffin, except he climbed a tree.

He knew it a day before Katrina hit that is was going to. Following Katrina he did next to nothing to help the victims, now he’s doing some thing to help, that isnt much.:upyours:

He knew it a day before Katrina hit that is was going to. Following Katrina he did next to nothing to help the victims, now he’s finely doing some thing to help.:upyours:

What about the local and state government, what did they do to help?

It's funny that people are actually taking this as some kind of serious critique of the president. Now, I despise the shrub as much as the next guy. But I take this thread for what it is, a joke.

Only the totally humorless (which are apparently LHC, and UNA) could take it any other way. I laugh at Clinton jokes too, but admittedly there is far, FAR more material to be had out of GW shrub.

I not humorless, I take this thread as a non issue anti President Bush joke thread, I am sick of these non issue anti President Bush threads, they are really really sick and should be stopped.

Just another non issue anti President Bush Thread.
I know the mods wont put a stop to these threads,
but they should.

Why should they put a stop to these threads? Do they break a rule?

What about the local and state government, what did they do to help?

They distributed sponges. :)

They distributed sponges. :)

*sings the Spongebob Squarepants theme song*

I not humorless, I take this thread as a non issue anti President Bush joke thread, I am sick of these non issue anti President Bush threads, they are really really sick and should be stopped.

When you can get Jay Leno to stop telling jokes about President Bush, we'll stop too.

Until then, have a taco and ignore the threds you don't like instead of useless commentary about something you don't even want to discuss. :p

What hell did you want the guy to do? go down there drink the water til the place was dry? Can you stop blaming the President for a natural disaster.

I dont see anyone blaming him for the hurricane. They are holding him responsible for appointing morons to a very important position. The appointed morons made a bad situation worse by not doing what they were appointed to do (or doing it very badly).

And i personally would have paid money to see Bush trying to drink up all that water. hehe.

I also have to agree with the above poster who said anyone who doesnt get the humor out of this has no sense of humor whatsoever. I am also amused by those Bush supporters who, when confronted by any negativity toward their boy, quickly make a disparaging comment about Clinton. As if that somehow absolves Bush of his own idiocy.

I can't even watch Bush talk anymore without having the urge to vacate my stomach contents. I can't believe that the american public elected that dip. (i choose to believe Diebold rigged the election).

But that's just me. (and a few million others)

I dont see anyone blaming him for the hurricane. They are holding him responsible for appointing morons to a very important position. The appointed morons made a bad situation worse by not doing what they were appointed to do (or doing it very badly).

And i personally would have paid money to see Bush trying to drink up all that water. hehe.

I also have to agree with the above poster who said anyone who doesnt get the humor out of this has no sense of humor whatsoever. I am also amused by those Bush supporters who, when confronted by any negativity toward their boy, quickly make a disparaging comment about Clinton. As if that somehow absolves Bush of his own idiocy.

I can't even watch Bush talk anymore without having the urge to vacate my stomach contents. I can't believe that the american public elected that dip. (i choose to believe Diebold rigged the election).

But that's just me. (and a few million others)
um, wait. As far as I know the President cant just appoint someone, they have to go through congress. So if he was unqualified, isnt the congress' fault for letting him through?

um, wait. As far as I know the President cant just appoint someone, they have to go through congress. So if he was unqualified, isnt the congress' fault for letting him through?
Sure--they bear some responsibility. But as you hear every time there's a controversial Republican pick for a post, the Congress traditionally shows the President a great deal of deference in these picks. If you want to nail a Dem for Mike Brown, however, smack Joe Lieberman in the face for me--he was the ranking Democratic member at that hearing, and he couldn't kiss Brown's ass enough.

um, wait. As far as I know the President cant just appoint someone, they have to go through congress. So if he was unqualified, isnt the congress' fault for letting him through?

Unfortuntately, the Republican controlled congress was too busy tongue-polishing Bush's antiterrorist ballsack to actually take a close look at his appointees.

Unfortuntately, the Republican controlled congress was too busy tongue-polishing Bush's antiterrorist ballsack to actually take a close look at his appointees.
I'd like to see an episode of CSI:Washington DC where they dust Congressional chins for Bush's ballprints.

That would be a 28 hour epic, maybe longer. The dust cloud would be visible into Maryland.

I'd like to see an episode of CSI:Washington DC where they dust Congressional chins for Bush's ballprints.

That would be a 28 hour epic, maybe longer. The dust cloud would be visible into Maryland.


I vote this the best comment of the day.

ROFLMFAO

I vote this the best comment of the day.

ROFLMFAO
Aw shucks. LG deserves the credit for setting me up.

gives LG credit for the setup, which was also funny.

meh... its just your typical non thinking sheep thread....


so i will add to the conversation..

Kirk or Picard who is the better captain?

GO!

Sure--they bear some responsibility. But as you hear every time there's a controversial Republican pick for a post, the Congress traditionally shows the President a great deal of deference in these picks. If you want to nail a Dem for Mike Brown, however, smack Joe Lieberman in the face for me--he was the ranking Democratic member at that hearing, and he couldn't kiss Brown's ass enough.
I dont remember a great deal of contraversy over him, even democrats voted for him, so you really cant pin this on Bush. I dont think theres much more ANYONE could have done. Stuff happens, the mayor should have been using those buses to get people out but he dropped the ball on that one.

meh... its just your typical non thinking sheep thread....


so i will add to the conversation..

Kirk or Picard who is the better captain?

GO!

Kirk because when he shot Bush in the groin, his phaser wouldn't be on stun. :)

gives LG credit for the setup, which was also funny.

I do what I can. :)

meh... its just your typical non thinking sheep thread....


so i will add to the conversation..

Kirk or Picard who is the better captain?

GO!
Picard by far

Kirk because when he shot Bush in the groin, his phaser wouldn't be on stun. :)


i think Kirk would prefer to do his martial arts moves personaly... but picard would lecture him until he died of bordom... its a toss up if you ask me

um, wait. As far as I know the President cant just appoint someone, they have to go through congress. So if he was unqualified, isnt the congress' fault for letting him through?
Typical Bush supporter. You obviously know as much about tehPresidency as Bush did prior to his becoming president.

No, Supreme Court justices need to be approved by congress. Most of his other appointees do not. He gets to pick whoever he wants for his cabinet and they ge to pick whoever they want for their subordinants. To see what happens when he gets to pick his friends for posts that need to be approved by Congress, see Harriet Miers. :)

Typical Bush supporter. You obviously know as much about tehPresidency as Bush did prior to his becoming president.

No, Supreme Court justices need to be approved by congress. Most of his other appointees do not. He gets to pick whoever he wants for his cabinet and they ge to pick whoever they want for their subordinants. To see what happens when he gets to pick his friends for posts that need to be approved by Congress, see Harriet Miers. :)
I am not a Bush supporter, I just think he getting way too much blame for the situation. Its like the port deal, everyone is so outraged by it and angry at him for really no reason. And from what I heard, he did go through a senate conformation.

Bush is a freaking idiot (would use other words but i'm not sure if they can be used on here) even if he had wanted to do anything, he probably wouldn't know how to!... Sure he "graduated" from Yale... if your dad's the president of the US or former prez then don't you think Yale would be a lil worried to not let him graduate... even more so this is bush's normal thinking face:confused: and i don't know if bush didn't do anything for racist reasons BUT kanye west had every right to say that and they cut him off cause the station's a load of bull.. even if the gov't tried to sue them it wouldn't hold up because its FREEDOM OF SPEACH! i do believe that's the first of ten in our BILL OF RIGHTS!

w/e... they're all idiots contributing towards this nations next Economical Depression... soon ever market will bust... the US currency compared to other world currencies will fall even further and we will all be screwed

And from what I heard, he did go through a senate conformation.


Harriet is a she. Apparently you didnt hear much, or you'd know that.

(i will accept the excuse that it was a typo that left out the 's')

meh... its just your typical non thinking sheep thread....


so i will add to the conversation..

Kirk or Picard who is the better captain?

GO!

Sisko. :D

I am not a Bush supporter, I just think he getting way too much blame for the situation. Its like the port deal, everyone is so outraged by it and angry at him for really no reason. And from what I heard, he did go through a senate conformation.

FOR NO REASON?! what the hells wrong with you?! a few of the terrorists who killed my friends dad on 9/11 came through that damned company! and you want them to control our ports... sure if you live in the midwest it's not a problem... only thing is I live in the east coast... in NJ where a couple of the ports are... next they'll sell ports on the west coast and the gulf coast... then where'll we go especiall after YOUR gov't passed laws making it hard as helll to go to Canada and recieve any kind of hospitality or citizenship... godforbid if there's ever a draft (a sign of a tyrant) we should be allowed to refuse it.. it's treason... the gov't doesn't need us... Halliburton needs us to protect any future assests they'll have in Iraq ... screw'em all

Typical Bush supporter. You obviously know as much about tehPresidency as Bush did prior to his becoming president.

No, Supreme Court justices need to be approved by congress. Most of his other appointees do not. He gets to pick whoever he wants for his cabinet and they ge to pick whoever they want for their subordinants. To see what happens when he gets to pick his friends for posts that need to be approved by Congress, see Harriet Miers. :)


geeze that is the kind of respones i would expect from a typical Kirk supporter......

geeze that is the kind of respones i would expect from a typical Kirk supporter......

very true

Sisko. :D


okay i must admit sisko did rock....

okay i must admit sisko did rock....

Most of them rocked... just a select few who didn't ... a good few were :sniper:'s

I dont remember a great deal of contraversy over him, even democrats voted for him, so you really cant pin this on Bush. I dont think theres much more ANYONE could have done. Stuff happens, the mayor should have been using those buses to get people out but he dropped the ball on that one.

He was promised that the FEDERAL GOV'T was taking the reigns of the situation

this thread seems more to me an anger management course gone wrong...

Really, my point wasn't so much about Katrina as was about the competence level of this Administration. Katrina isn't the only example of how much of a bumbling fool Bush is. There's also his complete cluelessness about how to handle a war. To be sure, I'm not addressing wether we should have gone to war or his justifications for it, I'm addressing how incompetently it was actually prosecuted. That's proabably why a group of 15 former Pentagon officials and generals who had been lifetime Republicans and had served inposts under his father and Ronald Reagan came out in favor of John Kerry in the last election. Also, there's the fact that he's not good at speaking. I don't mean public speaking, he's not nervous or unsure of himself when he says things like, "'I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." He's just too stupid to be able to speak on the fly. If he doesn't have time to gather his thoughts he quite often sounds like an imbecile. The reason for that is because he is an imbecile. When I say that I don't mean he is an imbecile by presidential standards, I mean he is an imbecile by everyday standards. :)

Really, my point wasn't so much about Katrina as was about the competence level of this Administration. Katrina isn't the only example of how much of a bumbling fool Bush is. There's also his complete cluelessness about how to handle a war. To be sure, I'm not addressing wether we should have gone to war or his justifications for it, I'm addressing how incompetently it was actually prosecuted. That's proabably why a group of 15 former Pentagon officials and generals who had been lifetime Republicans and had served inposts under his father and Ronald Reagan came out in favor of John Kerry in the last election. Also, there's the fact that he's not good at speaking. I don't mean public speaking, he's not nervous or unsure of himself when he says things like, "'I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." He's just too stupid to be able to speak on the fly. If he doesn't have time to gather his thoughts he quite often sounds like an imbecile. The reason for that is because he is an imbecile. When I say that I don't mean he is an imbecile by presidential standards, I mean he is an imbecile by everyday standards. :)

A lot of what you say is true... hell almost all of it is but it doesn't change the fact that he's our president and even if we don't like it there are no scandals l eading to him to get him impeached so we'll have to live with it for another 2 yrs... but i swear this war better be over by then

What hell did you want the guy to do? go down there drink the water til the place was dry? Can you stop blaming the President for a natural disaster.

No, because then they'd bitch about his drinking up all the water and leaving the poor people to find their own.

this is ridiculous, how one guy is supposed to prevent a natural disaster and its ramifications.

If he picked a bad guy to run FEMA, blame hmi for that. But it's FEMA's job to handle the federal government's responsibility for that sort of thing.

The state and Nagin, who were far closer to the problem, should have done more. As stated 50 times before, Nagin decided not to use NO's buses to get the people out who wanted to leave.

No, because then they'd bitch about his drinking up all the water and leaving the poor people to find their own.

this is ridiculous, how one guy is supposed to prevent a natural disaster and its ramifications.

If he picked a bad guy to run FEMA, blame hmi for that. But it's FEMA's job to handle the federal government's responsibility for that sort of thing.

The state and Nagin, who were far closer to the problem, should have done more. As stated 50 times before, Nagin decided not to use NO's buses to get the people out who wanted to leave.
Nobody's giving Naigin a pass, but only the Federal government has the resources to deal witha catastrophie of this magnitude. Particularily in the aftermath when all of the states resources have been put through the brunt of it. Its how the admin handled the situation after the hurricane that shows hsi utter lack of competency. Also, its the residents of NO that need to look at Naigin and its the resident of LA that need to look at the state response. The rest of us need to look at the federal response and that means, ultimately, the president.

Nobody's giving Naigin a pass, but only the Federal government has the resources to deal witha catastrophie of this magnitude. Particularily in the aftermath when all of the states resources have been put through the brunt of it. Its how the admin handled the situation after the hurricane that shows hsi utter lack of competency. Also, its the residents of NO that need to look at Naigin and its the resident of LA that need to look at the state response. The rest of us need to look at the federal response and that means, ultimately, the president.

that's fine, but

a)He's not an expert on natural disasters or how to deal with the ramifications

and

b)He's not a war general schooled in tactics. He can give an overall objective, but it's up to the generals to work out the operational aspect of it.


In other words, he hasn't been trained to do it. It is his job to put the right people in place... he's like the CEO: gets up and talks, gives broad objective statements, gives the overall direction of the company. Underneath him are the people who are supposed to have the expertise to make it work: The Vice President of Military Operations, the Vice President of Disaster Avoidance and Relief, etc.

hehe

Everyone knows that Sheridan could run circles around the lameoid captains of Star Trek.

that's fine, but

a)He's not an expert on natural disasters or how to deal with the ramifications

and

b)He's not a war general schooled in tactics. He can give an overall objective, but it's up to the generals to work out the operational aspect of it.


In other words, he hasn't been trained to do it. It is his job to put the right people in place... he's like the CEO: gets up and talks, gives broad objective statements, gives the overall direction of the company. Underneath him are the people who are supposed to have the expertise to make it work: The Vice President of Military Operations, the Vice President of Disaster Avoidance and Relief, etc.

hehe
Yes. And he picks imbeciles and morons that have no or little experience in the fields he chooses them to operate in. He picked Brown, for example, who last gig was running the Arabian Show Horse Association, to handle federal emergency response. He picked Chertoff, for example, who has a decent legal resume but absolutely no homeland security experience. He picked Harriet Miers who even staunch Bush supporters lambasted because her only credentials were a bunch of Christmas cards written to GW that may have suggested that she is in love with him. This administration is so widely known for its emphesis on connections rather than qualifications that it has become its own specific topic for criticism. For example:

-- At the Food and Drug Administration, TIME obtained internal e-mail messages that show scientists’ drug-safety decisions are being second-guessed by a 33-year-old doctor-turned-stock picker, Scott Gottlieb.

-- At the Office of Management and Budget, an ex-lobbyist with minimal purchasing experience, David Safavian, oversaw $300 billion in spending, until his arrest last week.

-- At the Department of Homeland Security, a well-connected White House aide with minimal experience, Julie Myers, is poised to take over a crucial post in ensuring that terrorists cannot enter the country again.

-- Inspectors General, the watchdogs at every federal agency, may be increasingly chosen for their political credentials than their investigative ones.

“Some of the appointments are raising serious concerns in the agencies themselves and on Capitol Hill about the competence and independence of agencies that the country relies upon to keep us safe and healthy and secure,” according to TIME’s Karen Tumulty, Mark Thompson and Mike Allen.

You brought up companies. In any company you are held responsible for those you appoint. In particular, if someone screws up in a really big way and it is shown that you appointed him to a position with little concern for their qualifications you may very likely get fired yourself. The reason Bush is responsible for the fuck ups of his underlings is because he either appointed them directly or he fostered an environment within which politics rather than competence was the key to getting appointed to very important positions.

Yes. And he picks imbeciles and morons that have no or little experience in the fields he chooses them to operate in. He picked Brown, for example, who last gig was running the Arabian Show Horse Association, to handle federal emergency response. He picked Chertoff, for example, who has a decent legal resume but absolutely no homeland security experience. He picked Harriet Miers who even staunch Bush supporters lambasted because her only credentials were a bunch of Christmas cards written to GW that may have suggested that she is in love with him. This administration is so widely known for its emphesis on connections rather than qualifications that it has become its own specific topic for criticism. For example:

-- At the Food and Drug Administration, TIME obtained internal e-mail messages that show scientists’ drug-safety decisions are being second-guessed by a 33-year-old doctor-turned-stock picker, Scott Gottlieb.

-- At the Office of Management and Budget, an ex-lobbyist with minimal purchasing experience, David Safavian, oversaw $300 billion in spending, until his arrest last week.

-- At the Department of Homeland Security, a well-connected White House aide with minimal experience, Julie Myers, is poised to take over a crucial post in ensuring that terrorists cannot enter the country again.

-- Inspectors General, the watchdogs at every federal agency, may be increasingly chosen for their political credentials than their investigative ones.

“Some of the appointments are raising serious concerns in the agencies themselves and on Capitol Hill about the competence and independence of agencies that the country relies upon to keep us safe and healthy and secure,” according to TIME’s Karen Tumulty, Mark Thompson and Mike Allen.

You brought up companies. In any company you are held responsible for those you appoint. In particular, if someone screws up in a really big way and it is shown that you appointed him to a position with little concern for their qualifications you may very likely get fired yourself. The reason Bush is responsible for the fuck ups of his underlings is because he either appointed them directly or he fostered an environment within which politics rather than competence was the key to getting appointed to very important positions.

fair enough. What needs to be done, since it's hard to prevent someone from picking incompetent people to fill spots (or should advisory panels -- made up of experts in the various fields -- be set up to pick them?), is to make sure that at least an effective chain of command is set up for such emergencies, with jurisdictions clearly delineated (and if one already is in place, then it needs to be put into practice).

fair enough. What needs to be done, since it's hard to prevent someone from picking incompetent people to fill spots (or should advisory panels -- made up of experts in the various fields -- be set up to pick them?), is to make sure that at least an effective chain of command is set up for such emergencies, with jurisdictions clearly delineated (and if one already is in place, then it needs to be put into practice).
Or perhaps we're doomed. This guy was clearly a moron before he was elected and not only did he win, he won twice. The thing is, he shouldn't have even won the nomination. There were smart, infinitely more qualified Republicans running. He got it because a group of financiers, most prominently Kenneth Lay of Enron fame, who were interested in creating a federal environment that favored big business and corporations, knew that if they put enough money behind him and they kept him repeating the same stupid catch phrases over and over the American people would be stupid enough to elect him. They were right. I consider it a national embarassment that we have such a moron as a president. Imagine what other leaders must be thinking when they sit down to a discussion with him. They can tell he's borderline retarded. They must be thinking, "Jesus this guy's stupid. How did he get into office?" That's a direct reflection of us. :(

Just another non issue anti President Bush Thread.
I know the mods wont put a stop to these threads,
but they should.

Yeah, too bad the FIRST FUCKING AMMENDMENT stops you from having your way, eh, you proto-fascist?

Or perhaps we're doomed. This guy was clearly a moron before he was elected and not only did he win, he won twice. The thing is, he shouldn't have even won the nomination. There were smart, infinitely more qualified Republicans running. He got it because a group of financiers, most prominently Kenneth Lay of Enron fame, who were interested in creating a federal environment that favored big business and corporations, knew that if they put enough money behind him and they kept him repeating the same stupid catch phrases over and over the American people would be stupid enough to elect him. They were right. I consider it a national embarassment that we have such a moron as a president. Imagine what other leaders must be thinking when they sit down to a discussion with him. They can tell he's borderline retarded. They must be thinking, "Jesus this guy's stupid. How did he get into office?" That's a direct reflection of us. :(

That echoes everything many of us Anti-Bushites have said and more... If only those idiots who would follow him to their deaths would see the blatant truth that we and others see

Safavian, oversaw $300 billion in spending, until his arrest last week.

-- At the Department of Homeland Security, a well-connected White House aide with minimal experience, Julie Myers, is poised to take over a crucial post in ensuring that terrorists cannot enter the country again.

Just found out more about this particular appointment:

Her uncle is Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, the departing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. She married Chertoff's current chief of staff, John F. Wood, on Saturday.

In written answers to questions from Congress, Myers highlighted her year-long job as assistant secretary for export enforcement at Commerce, where she said she supervised 170 employees and a $25 million budget. ICE has more than 20,000 employees and a budget of approximately $4 billion. Its personnel investigate immigrant, drug and weapon smuggling, and illegal exports, among other responsibilities.

I wish this were actually as funny as it could be. :(

Harriet is a she. Apparently you didnt hear much, or you'd know that.

(i will accept the excuse that it was a typo that left out the 's')
I was talking about brownie, not harriet.

FOR NO REASON?! what the hells wrong with you?! a few of the terrorists who killed my friends dad on 9/11 came through that damned company! and you want them to control our ports... sure if you live in the midwest it's not a problem... only thing is I live in the east coast... in NJ where a couple of the ports are... next they'll sell ports on the west coast and the gulf coast... then where'll we go especiall after YOUR gov't passed laws making it hard as helll to go to Canada and recieve any kind of hospitality or citizenship... godforbid if there's ever a draft (a sign of a tyrant) we should be allowed to refuse it.. it's treason... the gov't doesn't need us... Halliburton needs us to protect any future assests they'll have in Iraq ... screw'em all
1st, bin Laden hand picked the people who went on those missions, he could have gotten any nationality he wanted. He chose people from our allies like Saudi Arabia and the UAE to try to drive a wedge between our nations.
2nd, a foreign co. already owns those ports, a british one. Are you gonna say a European co. can do it but not an arab one? thats not right.
3rd, coast guard, customs and the rest of homeland sercurity is still in charge of sercurity. Its not like they are giving important jobs to the UAE.
4th, Who cares about Canada? Your talking about 9/11 but then if theres a draft you dont want to go in defense of what happened?

1st, bin Laden hand picked the people who went on those missions, he could have gotten any nationality he wanted. He chose people from our allies like Saudi Arabia and the UAE to try to drive a wedge between our nations.Bullshit. He chose people from there because he knew that they had grown up with the rhetoric that would make them amenicable to do the job.
2nd, a foreign co. already owns those ports, a british one. Are you gonna say a European co. can do it but not an arab one? thats not right.Not saying I'm for or against it, I don't know yet. But an Arab country with ties to 9/11 that financially supports Hamas and other avowed enemies certainly warrents a closer look than a country that shares all of the same secular values and customes and who has had our back for over a century. That's just common sense.
3rd, coast guard, customs and the rest of homeland sercurity is still in charge of sercurity. Its not like they are giving important jobs to the UAE.And the company will get a nice, up close look at all of our security practices and systems.
4th, Who cares about Canada? Your talking about 9/11 but then if theres a draft you dont want to go in defense of what happened?
I agree.

1st, bin Laden hand picked the people who went on those missions, he could have gotten any nationality he wanted. He chose people from our allies like Saudi Arabia and the UAE to try to drive a wedge between our nations.
2nd, a foreign co. already owns those ports, a british one. Are you gonna say a European co. can do it but not an arab one? thats not right.
3rd, coast guard, customs and the rest of homeland sercurity is still in charge of sercurity. Its not like they are giving important jobs to the UAE.
4th, Who cares about Canada? Your talking about 9/11 but then if theres a draft you dont want to go in defense of what happened?


you're 1st point is bull, bin Laden did pick them but the UAE allowed them through, probably because they're ase corrupt as Jersey City, NJ
2nd, i agree but no foreign countries should be part of any part of our national security
3rd, if the ports are sold to the UAE, then they decide what gets allowed to get sent there, nuclear weapons, or chemical weapons
4th, I would fight for my country because i have nothing to lose, my brother on the other hand is married with 3 kids, i don't want him dieing because he was drafted by an idiotic gov't with no moral senses... if he and his family need to move to canada to avoid the draft, for his family's sake, then he can't because Bush screwed us all over

Some of you guys are loons.

First of all, the democrats that ran the office down in that state were the ones that should be chewed out NOT Bush or the federal government. I love how the lefties on here spew garbage and lies on how things work in our nation. The fact remains, the governor(who is democrat) wouldnt let the FEMA do its job and the mayor(who also happens to be democrat) also impeded the attempts by the FEMA group to move people out. And you guys blame the Bush and Co.? :rolleyes:
Now i am not a Bush supporter, i could give a damn for him, but i am sick and tired of loons like the some of how you guys acted on here and other forums.

Now i am also one to take jokes, why didnt you guys just ignore this Un guy on here if it was only a joke? Oh that is right, you didnt because you actually liek to have people respond to you so you can spew your garbage. ;) :upyours:

you're 1st point is bull, bin Laden did pick them but the UAE allowed them through, probably because they're ase corrupt as Jersey City, NJ
2nd, i agree but no foreign countries should be part of any part of our national security
3rd, if the ports are sold to the UAE, then they decide what gets allowed to get sent there, nuclear weapons, or chemical weapons
4th, I would fight for my country because i have nothing to lose, my brother on the other hand is married with 3 kids, i don't want him dieing because he was drafted by an idiotic gov't with no moral senses... if he and his family need to move to canada to avoid the draft, for his family's sake, then he can't because Bush screwed us all over


1. Oh yes Laden picked them just because they were from "certain" regions. :rolleyes:
2. We wouldnt allow any foreign nations to be part of our national security.
3. This is also bullshit, like i said above OUR national security has to CHECK the items that come into this nation, unless some left wing loons dont think we should. :rolleyes:
4. Oh and we would have a good moralistic government if we had Kerry or Gore in the Prez seat? Hahahahahahaha! Now that is funny. Oh by the way did i mention i was NOT a republican voter?

Some of you guys are loons.

First of all, the democrats that ran the office down in that state were the ones that should be chewed out NOT Bush or the federal government. I love how the lefties on here spew garbage and lies on how things work in our nation. The fact remains, the governor(who is democrat) wouldnt let the FEMA do its job and the mayor(who also happens to be democrat) also impeded the attempts by the FEMA group to move people out. And you guys blame the Bush and Co.? :rolleyes:
Now i am not a Bush supporter, i could give a damn for him, but i am sick and tired of loons like the some of how you guys acted on here and other forums.

Now i am also one to take jokes, why didnt you guys just ignore this Un guy on here if it was only a joke? Oh that is right, you didnt because you actually liek to have people respond to you so you can spew your garbage. ;) :upyours:
Sure, yeah, yeah...

This is my point, really:
Really, my point wasn't so much about Katrina as was about the competence level of this Administration. Katrina isn't the only example of how much of a bumbling fool Bush is. There's also his complete cluelessness about how to handle a war. To be sure, I'm not addressing wether we should have gone to war or his justifications for it, I'm addressing how incompetently it was actually prosecuted. That's proabably why a group of 15 former Pentagon officials and generals who had been lifelong Republicans and had served in posts under his father and Ronald Reagan came out in favor of John Kerry in the last election. Also, there's the fact that he's not good at speaking. I don't mean public speaking, he's not nervous or unsure of himself when he says things like, "'I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." He's just too stupid to be able to speak on the fly. If he doesn't have time to gather his thoughts he quite often sounds like an imbecile. The reason for that is because he is an imbecile. When I say that I don't mean he is an imbecile by presidential standards, I mean he is an imbecile by everyday standards. :)
Can we discuss thus? Do you think he is a smart man?

Sure, yeah, yeah...

This is my point, really:

Can we discuss thus? Do you think he is a smart man?

Depends who you mean. PsychoticDan seems to be rather intelligent. President Bush on the other hand seems not to be. Admitted, he's come a far way in his public speaking, he used to stutter a lot but not so much anymore. Still, he doesn't know what is going on with our country. Some say Cheney is really the man running or in other eyes ruining our country. I think you give Bush too little credit. I think Cheney is just the evil advisor. He makes tempting suggestions to Bush. So tempting that Bush can't refuse them and he, himself, makes the decision even though he doesn't know what he's getting himself into.

Depends who you mean. PsychoticDan seems to be rather intelligent.Thanks, but you were responding to my post. :) President Bush on the other hand seems not to be. Admitted, he's come a far way in his public speaking, he used to stutter a lot but not so much anymore. Still, he doesn't know what is going on with our country. Some say Cheney is really the man running or in other eyes ruining our country. I think you give Bush too little credit. I think Cheney is just the evil advisor. He makes tempting suggestions to Bush. So tempting that Bush can't refuse them and he, himself, makes the decision even though he doesn't know what he's getting himself into.
Cheney: You don't need to see these droids.

Bush: We don't need to see these droids.

Cheney: These aren't the droids you're looking for.

Bush: These aren't the droids we're looking for.

Cheney: We can move along.

Bush: Move along now.

damn Jedi mind trick will get you everytime. :mad:

My question is why the fuck do people think the federal government is going to be able to do anything well that requires quick thinking and the ability to immediately adapt to a changing situation. Seriously, people who think that were obviously beaten with the stupid stick as children. A beauacracy as large as the United States federal government has basically one response to everything. Throw money and possibly troops at it. Furthermore, had Bush actually wrenched control away from Blanco and her ilk over the first several weeks to several months, guess who would have been screaming bloody murder. Had "Chocolate" Nagin and that silly twit Blanco taken their heads out of their asses and actually followed the emergency plans laid out there would have been much less of a problem.

Hurricane Katrina was a natural event but was not a natural disaster. The disaster was a human one. The disaster highlighted by Hurricane Katrina was the disaster of social inequality and unplanned apartheid in New Orleans. The authorities failed to aid the vulnerable and left them to fend for themselves in the face of the predicted hurricane, if the authorities had planned and followed through with evacuation and rescue of the people at risk, and had concentrated on saving lives rather thn protecting private property from looters, there would not have been such a huge disaster. Katrina highlights how the American system of right-wing market driven capitalism does not look after vulnerable people in times of trouble. The wealthy had a chance to escape in their cars, the poor did not.

Katrina was a human and social disaster, not a natural disaster.

My question is why the fuck do people think the federal government is going to be able to do anything well that requires quick thinking and the ability to immediately adapt to a changing situation. Seriously, people who think that were obviously beaten with the stupid stick as children. A beauacracy as large as the United States federal government has basically one response to everything. Throw money and possibly troops at it. Furthermore, had Bush actually wrenched control away from Blanco and her ilk over the first several weeks to several months, guess who would have been screaming bloody murder. Had "Chocolate" Nagin and that silly twit Blanco taken their heads out of their asses and actually followed the emergency plans laid out there would have been much less of a problem.
True.


Oh, except that they did pretty well after the Northridge quake, Hurricane Andrew, the King Quake, etc...

The problem here wasn't that the resources weren't available. Once people started screaming GET THE FUCK GOING!!!! They did. When the country started looking at the federal government's horid response all of a sudden they were able to get water to the Superdome, they were able to get people out of their flooded houses, etc...

Look, even the Bush Administration admits they fucked up. You sticking up for them looks like this:

You: My friend did not commit that murder! I know he didn't do it!

Your friend: Umm, well actually I did.

You: He didn't even have a gun and doesn't know how to use one!

Your friend: No, sorry. Actually I shot him right in the face with this gun right here.

There were all kinds of common sense things that could and should have been done immediately following the hurricane. Things that only the fed could do and things the fed had the resources to provide and they didn't, not because of racism or apathy, but because of incompetence which brings us back to the cenbtral point of this thread which really wasn't so much about the hurricane as it is about everything this administration does.


Really, my point wasn't so much about Katrina as was about the competence level of this Administration. Katrina isn't the only example of how much of a bumbling fool Bush is. There's also his complete cluelessness about how to handle a war. To be sure, I'm not addressing wether we should have gone to war or his justifications for it, I'm addressing how incompetently it was actually prosecuted. That's proabably why a group of 15 former Pentagon officials and generals who had been lifelong Republicans and had served in posts under his father and Ronald Reagan came out in favor of John Kerry in the last election. Also, there's the fact that he's not good at speaking. I don't mean public speaking, he's not nervous or unsure of himself when he says things like, "'I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." He's just too stupid to be able to speak on the fly. If he doesn't have time to gather his thoughts he quite often sounds like an imbecile. The reason for that is because he is an imbecile. When I say that I don't mean he is an imbecile by presidential standards, I mean he is an imbecile by everyday standards.

I find it odd that Bush's incompetence kills 1,300 people, but Clinton's stupidity, lack of carring or some other issue kills 1 million Rwandans. And peole only talk about how Bush screwed up. Interesting.
Both of them should have never been alowed to waste our air and water supply much less reproduce and infintly less become president.

I'll just edit your own post to make my point:

I find it odd that Bush's incompetence kills 1,300 AMERICAN CITIZENS, but Clinton's stupidity, lack of carring or some other issue kills 1 million Rwandans. And peole only talk about how Bush screwed up. Interesting.
Both of them should have never been alowed to waste our air and water supply much less reproduce and infintly less become president.
Having said that, I'm not a Clinton fan, but I don't hate him either. He got lucky because he was president while the country rode the .com boom just as Bush has gotten lucky while he rides the housing boom, but to even blame Clinton for Rwanda is ridiculous. That was an international event with all kinds of UN and international implications... I find it odd that Republicans who are supposed to be notoriously against America engaging in nation building and interfering in other countries internal affairs will bash Clinton about not interfering in another country's internal affairs. There's just as many dying in Darfur right now, by the way, because of genocide and it's been going on for three yeras, not a few days like in Rwanda. Katrina was in our back yard. The only obsatcles to overcome to helping those people were ones that we set for ourselves. The UN and international relations and all that had nothing to do with it. Bush had no problem calling an emergency session of congress and the Supremem Court on 12 hours notice on a weekend to try to keep Micheal Schaivo from pulling his brain dead wife's plug, but it took him three days to help thousands of people get water at the Superbowl. What, did he have the same problem as Clinton? Did he have to worry about international law to send help to New Orleans?

What hell did you want the guy to do? go down there drink the water til the place was dry? Can you stop blaming the President for a natural disaster.

Yes.

It is not his fault that there was no preparation.

It is not his fault that he falsely claimed there was no warning.

That one of the richest countries on Earth has people so poor they cannot afford adequate insurance to be able ot leave their homes when a disaster is about to strike.

It is nothing to do with how the country is run that people cannot afford to get temporary accomodation somwhere else.

I would like to join you in condemning people who want better for America; they are clearly unpatriotic and should be censored.