NationStates Jolt Archive

I know this gets said time and time again, but it doesn't make it any less true. I know the apologists will all say, "but but but..." however, there is now a video (even shown on Fox News) which shows Bush being briefed about the horror of the hurricane, that the levees would break, and mass chaos would be brought to the gulf region. If you can recall, days after the storm Bush was on tv defending "heck of a job brownie" stating that nobody could have forseen the levees would break. Interestingly enough, he was warned during that meeting of that exact thing and asked not one single question. NOT ONE!!! This is a President who, although being very wealthy, never had the intellectual curiosity to travel outside of this country. I'd love to see how you spinmeisters waste our time trying to deny this, but I'm not quite sure I have the energy to wade through that much brown water. People have asked for instances when Bush lied, and my usual response is, "when are his lips moving." While this is not far off, you have all now been given a primary example of how stupid the President thinks you are. The sad part is that for the most part he is right. He knows you'll ignore the truth and transfer to the alternate truth Rush, Sean, or "Always faithful" Bill O'Reilly tell you.

It has been said the revolution will not be telivised...But when sweet lord will it come?

It has been said the revolution will not be telivised...But when sweet lord will it come?
You Bumped your thread 3 minutes after making it? That is just sad . . .

I know this gets said time and time again, but it doesn't make it any less true. I know the apologists will all say, "but but but..." however, there is now a video (even shown on Fox News) which shows Bush being briefed about the horror of the hurricane, that the levees would break, and mass chaos would be brought to the gulf region. If you can recall, days after the storm Bush was on tv defending "heck of a job brownie" stating that nobody could have forseen the levees would break. Interestingly enough, he was warned during that meeting of that exact thing and asked not one single question. NOT ONE!!! This is a President who, although being very wealthy, never had the intellectual curiosity to travel outside of this country. I'd love to see how you spinmeisters waste our time trying to deny this, but I'm not quite sure I have the energy to wade through that much brown water. People have asked for instances when Bush lied, and my usual response is, "when are his lips moving." While this is not far off, you have all now been given a primary example of how stupid the President thinks you are. The sad part is that for the most part he is right. He knows you'll ignore the truth and transfer to the alternate truth Rush, Sean, or "Always faithful" Bill O'Reilly tell you.

a) What would you have done about it, assuming you know as much about disaster relief as president bush?

b) Why do you consider the propensity for world travel to be a variable for intelligence?

You can slander him all you want to, but until someone actually proves that he lies, i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Fox News Channel is actually less biased than NBC Nightly News, CBS Evening News or ABC World News Tonight. The reason you notice Fox News is that... it leans right.

It has been said the revolution will not be telivised...But when sweet lord will it come?
Not in the forseeable future. Most people still believe in the vote and in the potential to reform government peacefully.

This is a President who, although being very wealthy, never had the intellectual curiosity to travel outside of this country.
So in order to be a good president you have to be a world traveler too?

The only time I've been out of this country has been to go to Iraq. Does that make me a bad American?

It has been said the revolution will not be telivised...But when sweet lord will it come?

lefties will have a big dilemma on that one... being against guns and all, and with the republicans owning most of the guns...

Funny how most americans haven't figured out that their government doesn't give a rats ass about them yet.

So in order to be a good president you have to be a world traveler too?

The only time I've been out of this country has been to go to Iraq. Does that make me a bad American?

if you were in Iraq to depose poor Saddam Hussein (the saint!) and oppress those poor freedom fighters, then yes.

lol (i am kidding)

if you were in Iraq to depose poor Saddam Hussein (the saint!) and oppress those poor freedom fighters, then yes.

lol (i am kidding)


Haa, that and get PAID!

It seems that this country doesn't care too much about the honesty of a candidate who claims to follow Christian ethics. Many people argue with me and state "It didn't matter that Bush made it seem as if the war was going to be short and quick. We won, didn't we?" Another argument is, "It needed to be done."

First, I am not arguing about whether we are winning the war in Iraq or not. I care about the way in which the president decided to present the need to enter the war. He never said that we might possibly have a long struggle with insurgents. He never brought up the obvious troubles faced by a nation who is trying to set up a sort of secular democratic government in a culture that is largely used to theocratic government and is much less individualistic than we. Such deep ideological clashes make for a tough transition. Those who argue that Bush is okay in his methods of selling the war to the people because we are winning sound rather Machiavellian. In the world of integrity, the end does not justify the means. The end is the means.

I am also not arguing that the removal of a psychotic, self-deifying, and cruel dictator from power is not necessary. I am arguing that the necessity of the action need not require dishonest portrayal of facts. I asked that Bush apologize. He has done so, to a point. I ask him to do what he can to make good on his apology, and tell us the truth about the situation over there. No more of this "God is on the side of freedom" babble. God is not on the side of liars and deceivers either...

if you were in Iraq to depose poor Saddam Hussein (the saint!) and oppress those poor freedom fighters, then yes.

lol (i am kidding)
Hey, one man's murderous terrorist scumbag is another man's murderous freedom fighter scumbag.

Hey, one man's murderous terrorist scumbag is another man's murderous freedom fighter scumbag.

LMAO!

a) What would you have done about it, assuming you know as much about disaster relief as president bush?

b) Why do you consider the propensity for world travel to be a variable for intelligence?

You can slander him all you want to, but until someone actually proves that he lies, i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Fox News Channel is actually less biased than NBC Nightly News, CBS Evening News or ABC World News Tonight. The reason you notice Fox News is that... it leans right.

Slander? 1. He said there was "no way for anyone to tell the levees would give way." 2. They then show a meeting that happened 2 days before the hurricane where he was warned EXACTLY THAT. How can this jove without being a lie? 3. Also, there has been research done to show who hold the most erroneous views based upon their choice of news outlets. Who do you think got the worst score? People who solely watch Fox news are 2/3 more likely to hold an incorrect view of the facts. 4. Furthermore, I'm a Republican, a Marine Res 1st Lt., and a damn proud American. I am just sick and tired of people saying how great this man is as if they knew him personally. Prove to me that saying one thing when video/audio prove otherwise is not a lie. Maybe he should have gotten a BJ, you'd be all over that.

So in order to be a good president you have to be a world traveler too?

The only time I've been out of this country has been to go to Iraq. Does that make me a bad American?

No. But I would think that it would make you a less than stellar world leader.

Funny how most americans haven't figured out that their government doesn't give a rats ass about them yet.

Unless of course you're rich and Republican.

Hey, one man's murderous terrorist scumbag is another man's murderous freedom fighter scumbag.

hehe

So in order to be a good president you have to be a world traveler too?

The only time I've been out of this country has been to go to Iraq. Does that make me a bad American?

No, but it does lend to the idea you'd be more ignorant than someone who has traveled extensively. You obviously missed the point of my post. He lied and wasn't even curious enough to travel, much less ask questions about the loss of a mjaor US city. Answer me this and hopefully you'll see the train at the end of my tunnel... Does the President have to engage other countries and their leaders in dimplomacy? Wouldn't some understanding of another's culture abnd government help in that endevaor? It's like saying (which Bush does) "American is the greatest country in the world (even though I've seen nothing else)." It's merely logical that seeing the rest of the world will help you in dealing with the rest of the world. However, I wouldn't expect an American with no desire to learn to know that. MY curiosity is probably why I have a BS/BA/MA and graduated at the top of my OCS class.

It has been said the revolution will not be telivised...But when sweet lord will it come?

As soon as we put down the McDonald's french fries and stop being afraid to bleed. Look up the Malcom X speech "The Ballot and the Bullet".

As soon as we put down the McDonald's french fries and stop being afraid to bleed. Look up the Malcom X speech "The Ballot and the Bullet".

I'll bleed, but I'll be damned if I'm putting down my fries! :p

Sorry, he was not told the levees would break, only that there was a concern over their ability to withstand the storm and that if they did break, it would be bad. How is it his fault that for the previous 35 years no one has bothered to do anything about the levees, despite multiple warnings. You expect him to fix them a week before the hurricane hits? No one knew for sure if they would break or not. There was fear they might, but a fear they might is not the same thing as knowledge they would.

Also, what does being a world traveler have to do with any of this? You think a few visits to Europe before he was president would have changed things? That's one of the most incredilbe leaps of logic I've ever seen.

WAKE UP


Bam.

No, but it does lend to the idea you'd be more ignorant than someone who has traveled extensively. You obviously missed the point of my post. He lied and wasn't even curious enough to travel, much less ask questions about the loss of a mjaor US city. Answer me this and hopefully you'll see the train at the end of my tunnel... Does the President have to engage other countries and their leaders in dimplomacy? Wouldn't some understanding of another's culture abnd government help in that endevaor? It's like saying (which Bush does) "American is the greatest country in the world (even though I've seen nothing else)." It's merely logical that seeing the rest of the world will help you in dealing with the rest of the world. However, I wouldn't expect an American with no desire to learn to know that. MY curiosity is probably why I have a BS/BA/MA and graduated at the top of my OCS class.

I still don't see the connection between world travels and the breaking of the levees.

Sorry, he was not told the levees would break, only that there was a concern over their ability to withstand the storm and that if they did break, it would be bad. How is it his fault that for the previous 35 years no one has bothered to do anything about the levees, despite multiple warnings. You expect him to fix them a week before the hurricane hits? No one knew for sure if they would break or not. There was fear they might, but a fear they might is not the same thing as knowledge they would.

Also, what does being a world traveler have to do with any of this? You think a few visits to Europe before he was president would have changed things? That's one of the most incredilbe leaps of logic I've ever seen.

Atcually, Bill Clinton forwarded to COngress a program to strengthen the levees. Which was in progress. Until funding for the program was almost completely stripped bare in 2001. Progress pretty much halted.

I still don't see the connection between world travels and the breaking of the levees.

The connection was never made between the two. The connection was made that world travels allow you to be a better diplomat because you actually have a clue as to how the rest of the world works. Therefor, perhaps someone who had some intellectual curiosity would make better decisions instead of "not cutting my vacation short."

lack of being a world traveller is a symptom of a larger criticism of the intellectual makeup of the president which manifests itself here in his apathy towards investigating the potential disaster. there. can you lay off?
and he waited, what, like five days to get additional federal help into new orleans? i dont blame bush for the levees breaking, of course not, that was an act of nature. i blame him for his lack of a response, which, these tapes seem to show, primarily sprung from disinterest. he didnt have to be an expert on disaster response. he has people paid to educate him as well as possible for every scenario he may face. that he didn't have the emotional and intellectual desire to investigate the problem or even react to it until it became a national disaster is part of our criticism.

lack of being a world traveller is a symptom of a larger criticism of the intellectual makeup of the president which manifests itself here in his apathy towards investigating the potential disaster. there. can you lay off?
and he waited, what, like five days to get additional federal help into new orleans? i dont blame bush for the levees breaking, of course not, that was an act of nature. i blame him for his lack of a response, which, these tapes seem to show, primarily sprung from disinterest. he didnt have to be an expert on disaster response. he has people paid to educate him as well as possible for every scenario he may face. that he didn't have the emotional and intellectual desire to investigate the problem or even react to it until it became a national disaster is part of our criticism.

Sweet Lord someone gets it. Forgive these literalists as they still think the bible is the exact timeline of the world, that being the world is only 7k years old. LACK OF INTELLECTUAL CURIOSITY is the case. The President should be a well versed individual who would never lay back while the threat of disaster looms. Thos of you who cannot go from point A-C without first going through B will never understand.

So, when Bush said he was never warned, and we now see that he was, how is this not a lie? Please explain spinmeisters.

It has been said the revolution will not be telivised...But when sweet lord will it come?

I got out all I needed today regarding this clown. No one explianed how saying "we never could have known" and "we actually did know" is not a lie. Mission accomplished! (Shrubs loves this sign)