Labour: More right wing than the Tories?
Just wondered qwhat you thought of this, look at the labour manfesto, it supports the privatisation, low taxes and grammer schools, plus many other treditional right wing tory policys.
Now look at the Tories manfesto, in particular Camerons new policys, many of them are left wing or far more centeralist than Labours. So, are the Tories now more left wing than Labour?
Low taxes? Are you sure? The last time I looked I was being ripped off by this government
George Bushs backyard
02-03-2006, 18:54
better a right wing labour govt than any tory govt any day... think about it as a matter of principle.:headbang:
Europa alpha
02-03-2006, 19:19
Naah... Consevatives and Labour are both Centrist. Labour is Right-wing on certain issues and Tories are Left on certain, it depends what matters to ya.
Liberal Democrats are at the moment Centraleft. New guy could push them left or right.
Nueva Inglaterra
02-03-2006, 19:21
better a right wing labour govt than any tory govt any day... think about it as a matter of principle.:headbang:
New Labour and principles should never be heard in the same sentence without "has abandoned all true Labour" between.
Unfortunately Cameron seems to think that the country needs a third social democratic party. The dash for the centre ground might win the Conservatives a few more votes in North London, but it will reduce choice, and probably result in even further disengagement with politics in the UK.
Europa alpha
02-03-2006, 19:23
New Labour and principles should never be heard in the same sentence without "has abandoned all true Labour" between.
Unfortunately Cameron seems to think that the country needs a third social democratic party. The dash for the centre ground might win the Conservatives a few more votes in North London, but it will reduce choice, and probably result in even further disengagement with politics in the UK.
They are really really oblivious that this is how people like Hitler come to power. Fuckin retards ar'nt they.
Chumblywumbly
02-03-2006, 19:57
Liberal Democrats are at the moment Centraleft. New guy could push them left or right.
And as Ming the Merciless has just been voted in, they'll probably nudge a bit left (at least socially), but not much.
[NS]Liasia
02-03-2006, 19:59
Although Blair does seem to support a Monetarist style of economic management, thanks to Brown their social policies are still very socialist. EMA, anyone? Minimum wage. Working week limits. NHS.
Europa alpha
02-03-2006, 20:02
Liasia']Although Blair does seem to support a Monetarist style of economic management, thanks to Brown their social policies are still very socialist. EMA, anyone? Minimum wage. Working week limits. NHS.
Yes ofcourse... OH NO WAIT.
Privatisation, The fact they havnt OWNED public schools, Smoking ban, Not going all out pro-europe (It IS socialist dammit), still talking to america even though they voted in the Devil for a second term... K?
[NS]Liasia
02-03-2006, 20:13
Yes ofcourse... OH NO WAIT.
Privatisation, The fact they havnt OWNED public schools, Smoking ban, Not going all out pro-europe (It IS socialist dammit), still talking to america even though they voted in the Devil for a second term... K?
When i said 'social' policies i meant ones dealing with our society. Privatisation and Europe are both economic fields, which Blair seems to view as Thatcher did in the 80s. I dont understand what you mean 'they haven't owned public schools'. And the refernce to Bush is i suspect another of Blair's foibles, and there is no reason a continuing relationship with him should make the Lab party less socialist on domestic policy.
Egg and chips
02-03-2006, 20:48
Meh. Labour and the consevatives are practically identical. They only have minor differences in policy. Lib Dems will move left a bit because of Ming, and as I'm a very left wing person, I'll be voting for them :)
Cute Dangerous Animals
02-03-2006, 21:35
they're all kind of a centrist mush. There's no party that represents my viewpoint (which you may or may not be grateful for :) ).
Who is banging the drum for less state intervention (privatisation of the BBC and the NHS) and for civil liberties instead of this nasty authoritarianism that we have fallen into?
Nobody, that's who
they're all kind of a centrist mush. There's no party that represents my viewpoint (which you may or may not be grateful for :) ).
Who is banging the drum for less state intervention (privatisation of the BBC and the NHS) and for civil liberties instead of this nasty authoritarianism that we have fallen into?
Nobody, that's who
Agreed. whoever you vote for it's pritty uch the same, what happened the readicals, bring abck tony Benn
Pantygraigwen
04-03-2006, 17:14
Liasia']Although Blair does seem to support a Monetarist style of economic management, thanks to Brown their social policies are still very socialist. EMA, anyone? Minimum wage. Working week limits. NHS.
PFI anyone? How Socialist. Mortgaging the governments of the future to private companies instead of actually, yanno, raising taxes?
The Infinite Dunes
04-03-2006, 17:27
And as Ming the Merciless has just been voted in, they'll probably nudge a bit left (at least socially), but not much.I see you have yet to hear of Ming's success in getting the party to vote for a policy to part privatise Royal Mail.
The good news in the pipe line is that most MPs seem to be backing the Power commission's suggestions for reinvigorating British democracy. But we'll see just how far that gets when most realise it will probably cost them their seat.
I see you have yet to hear of Ming's success in getting the party to vote for a policy to part privatise Royal Mail.
The good news in the pipe line is that most MPs seem to be backing the Power commission's suggestions for reinvigorating British democracy. But we'll see just how far that gets when most realise it will probably cost them their seat.
At which point it'll stop dead.
They're both left-wing, end of.
They're both left-wing, end of.
You serious????
Demented Hamsters
04-03-2006, 18:58
This is an interesting graph:
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/images/enPartiesTime.gif
A political compass analysis of the Tories and Labour over the last 30 years. As you can see there's not really that much difference between the two anymore, and as you can see New Labour is significantly to the right of the pre-Thatcher Tories. Basically Labour won by reinventing itself and being more Tory than the tories. In so doing, the tories were forced to become even more right-wing to differentiate themselves, which alienated the centrist voters.
More detail here:
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/extremeright.php
Political Compass:
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/
New Labour and principles should never be heard in the same sentence without "has abandoned all true Labour" between.
Unfortunately Cameron seems to think that the country needs a third social democratic party. The dash for the centre ground might win the Conservatives a few more votes in North London, but it will reduce choice, and probably result in even further disengagement with politics in the UK.
The people aren't disengaged with politics because they're ideologically too similar, they're disengaged with politics because they don't get to read all about them in hello magazine, because they don't appear on enough chatshows and because occasionally they make statements that are hard to analyse if your IQ is less than 70.