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Spawned by the numerous abortion and sex before marriage topics, a question for those who think intercourse is only allowed after you "tied the knot":

Can sterilised (or infertile) people have sex outside marriage ?

The reason for asking this is that most opponents of pre-marital sex call it immoral due to the risk of a child resulting from the "fling"; speaking out of concern for this child.

If however there is no risk whatsoever of pregnancy and both parties have no STDs... is having sex without being married or even being in a stable relationship still immoral according to you ?

I see nothing wrong with a bit on the side and would love that kind of relationship only problem is everyone else is monogamous

Can castrated (or infertile) people have sex outside marriage ?


Are you aware of what castration is?

Are you aware of what castration is?

Yes. Perhaps sterilisation would have been a better word.
*changes it*

The reason for asking this is that most opponents of pre-marital sex call it immoral due to the risk of a child resulting from the "fling"; speaking out of concern for this child.
My understanding is that, at least from the religious point of view, they were against premarital sex for more reasons than that. I mean, I'm having sex with my long-term boyfriend to whom I will wed within the next two years, but it's still bad in some folks' eyes. Not that it's a "fling" and we're being irresponsible, or that they're actually concerned with any child that may result in our actions (as is clear by how often these children are looked down upon themselves), they're just offended that we as people choose not to listen to their silly rules and expectations.

Are you aware of what castration is?
Castration is different between males and females, and doesn't always preclude sexual acts henceforth. Female castration still allows the female to be sexually active a majority of the time, it just makes it an irksome, pleasureless sort of process. A ton of cultures in the world practice FGM (Female Genital Mutilation), you should look it up sometime if you ever feel like thinking "Oh my god, that's barbaric" out of the blue.

i would like to add that the marriage is ourely a ceromony that religions have attached to make marriage more formal
(hu asked adam and ee exchange rings?)
in my humble opinion having sex with someone makes u married

this can be good or bad

This is in regards to cheating...
With premarital sex I have no problem. As long as you are not cheating or doing anything illegal then whatever.

But with regards to cheating...Hell yeah. If you have told this person you are exclusive with each other then you need to abide by that or break it off.
If my guy cheated on me his ass will be grass! NO second chances, period. It doesn't matter if a child will not come of it.
I can't STAND it when people cheat. It shows how little respect they have for their so called "loved one".
Though there is a difference between the genders when it comes to cheating.
Men cheat (usually) because they think they can get away with it. It's fun and what's the harm if no one knows...
With women(usually) they cheat because they are unhappy with the original relationship. Wether it be with themselves or their partner.
Either way it is wrong. Exclusive means exclusive.

i would like to add that the marriage is ourely a ceromony that religions have attached to make marriage more formal
(hu asked adam and ee exchange rings?)
in my humble opinion having sex with someone makes u married

this can be good or bad
Oh, so you're single-handedly nullifying the fact that there are also tax breaks and insurance benefits when in a legally binding marriage, recognized by the state?

If marriage was purely a religion deal, then why is it so goddamn hard to get a marriage license through the county? Did they just kick out separation of Church and State in that one little issue?

Spawned by the numerous abortion and sex before marriage topics, a question for those who think intercourse is only allowed after you "tied the knot":

Can sterilised (or infertile) people have sex outside marriage ?

The reason for asking this is that most opponents of pre-marital sex call it immoral due to the risk of a child resulting from the "fling"; speaking out of concern for this child.

If however there is no risk whatsoever of pregnancy and both parties have no STDs... is having sex without being married or even being in a stable relationship still immoral according to you ?

*eyes narrow* Why? What are you planning?

Is it not premarital sex if you don't get married?

Is it not premarital sex if you don't get married?

Maybe if you've married and gotten a divorce you can bone all you want?

Maybe if you've married and gotten a divorce you can bone all you want?

touche!

Simonist']Oh, so you're single-handedly nullifying the fact that there are also tax breaks and insurance benefits when in a legally binding marriage, recognized by the state?

If marriage was purely a religion deal, then why is it so goddamn hard to get a marriage license through the county? Did they just kick out separation of Church and State in that one little issue?

Marriage is a matter of both church and state in America; since the ceremony itself is obviously the purview of the church and the legal aspects of marriage are the purview of the state. In some nations they do seperate these two aspects and make them independent.

Kinda harsh, isn't it? :eek:

Isn't selling the guy's car on eBay and cutting up his suits enough? :mad:

Simonist']Oh, so you're single-handedly nullifying the fact that there are also tax breaks and insurance benefits when in a legally binding marriage, recognized by the state?

Tax breaks???? LOL! Not in most places and with most incomes. For the most part, (in the US anyways) a married couple with no children will pay *more* in taxes than the same couple would unmarried. This is probably one of the reasons that the efforts in Mass. to ban gay marriage have all but ceased. Homosexuals started getting married, the world hasn't ended, and the tax revenue went up! How can any politician argue with that?

Of course, the person you were responding to probably wasn't talking about legal marriage. I consider my fiance and I to already be married. We have already pledged our lives to each other - we are in a loving, committed relationship that we intend to stay in until death do us part. Having the ceremony is more for other people, and getting the marriage license is just a way to get the government to recognize a union that already exists.

*eyes narrow* Why? What are you planning?

Nothing involving you seeing as you've already released your offspring upon the world. Note to self sleep with 1 eye open if they are anywhere near me....:rolleyes:

This general taboo of sex before mirrage, and against casual sex for pleasure in general if a function of opression...tieing pleasure and connectedness to olny one person...or none for the unmarried gives the church/state more power and control as repressed people are easier to manipulate then one who is furfilled and unrestricted by guilt or law... hence the US governments engeneering and distribution of the HIV virus to combat the growing rebelion at home...and decimate the poor worldwide.. same line of thinking as the war on (some) drugs .....opressed and afraid people become reactive more then responcive and from that point manipulation of populations too large to manipulate with force alone becomes not olny possible, but quite easy, especially with full control of the media, schools, food supply, rf frequency polution.. the joys of living in a plutarcracy ... (yeah..i know my spelling is poor, but whatevah)..

So, IMO, overall fornication should be at least as frequent as government and media refer to "terrorism" or whatever thier fake boogieman scare word of the week is...it would go a long way toward looseing the chains of opression being clamped down upon the populations of the world...and espedcially in the US....i also fully advocate responcible frequent psychadelic drug use and listening to syncopated music at high volume....

Spawned by the numerous abortion and sex before marriage topics, a question for those who think intercourse is only allowed after you "tied the knot":

Can sterilised (or infertile) people have sex outside marriage ?

The reason for asking this is that most opponents of pre-marital sex call it immoral due to the risk of a child resulting from the "fling"; speaking out of concern for this child.

If however there is no risk whatsoever of pregnancy and both parties have no STDs... is having sex without being married or even being in a stable relationship still immoral according to you ?

I think most of the immorality that ensues from these is related to jealousy and the actions it causes, not from accidental reproduction and std's.

Tax breaks???? LOL! Not in most places and with most incomes. For the most part, (in the US anyways) a married couple with no children will pay *more* in taxes than the same couple would unmarried. This is probably one of the reasons that the efforts in Mass. to ban gay marriage have all but ceased. Homosexuals started getting married, the world hasn't ended, and the tax revenue went up! How can any politician argue with that?
That's strange, between my sister's taxes and expenses two years ago and her taxes and expenses now, having been married for a year and a half, they're lower. Maybe they're a different case......my boyfriend and I are still unmarried and haven't been together long enough for commonlaw anyway, so we haven't had to worry about it yet.

Of course, the person you were responding to probably wasn't talking about legal marriage. I consider my fiance and I to already be married. We have already pledged our lives to each other - we are in a loving, committed relationship that we intend to stay in until death do us part. Having the ceremony is more for other people, and getting the marriage license is just a way to get the government to recognize a union that already exists.
Well that's all well and good, but whether or not you've committed to each other, does that mean that the whackjobs who are thinking of marriage from a religious aspect rather than legal (like the person I responded to) going to back off of you for having sex with your fiance? No, probably not. Premarital is premarital, and it doesn't make a damn to them if you say "You don't understand, we really do love each other, we're going to be together forever", they'll just notice that you're missing the little technicality.

Nothing involving you seeing as you've already released your offspring upon the world. Note to self sleep with 1 eye open if they are anywhere near me....:rolleyes:

You have to sleep sometime.

I plan on cultivating in them my devious patience. I once waited in a bush for four hours with a bucket of blueberry sauce....

But I digress. :D

You have to sleep sometime.

I plan on cultivating in them my devious patience. I once waited in a bush for four hours with a bucket of blueberry sauce....

But I digress. :D

Oh god your evil....

I don't think cheating on a spouse or girlfriend in the same zip code is moral at all. It is just plain wrong and shouldn't be done.

I don't think cheating on a spouse or girlfriend in the same zip code is moral at all. It is just plain wrong and shouldn't be done.
Wait, does that mean if you go out of the zip-code you're free to cheat? 'Cause in my metro, that's still only about four blocks away.....hell, my boyfriend and I don't even technically live in the same zip code.....

Castration ... sex outside of marriage ... assuming they can manage ... ROFLAMO!
I'm going to go eat lunch now! Hahaha.... I'm so going to Hell.

Kinda harsh, isn't it? :eek:

Isn't selling the guy's car on eBay and cutting up his suits enough? :mad:

Uh what? :confused:

Sex before marriage doesn't bother me. I think its wrong to cheat though.

I've heard that many straight people think extra-marital sex is ok as long as it's via the 'bonus tunnel'.

:mp5: is having a relationship with a horse classed as a stable relationship?

Is it not premarital sex if you don't get married?

Nope... it is premarital even if you never marry, because the possibility exists (until you are dead, of course) that you might. AFTER you are dead, it really doesn't make much of a difference.

Of course, in my opinion, I think as long as the sex is consensual between all (adult, of course) parties involved (and if you are in a relationship, yes, you must have your partner's permission in my book) then it is nobody's business to judge.

/snip original postPersonally, I find the weird dichotomy with regards to infertile people is the idea that marriage is for the raising of children. If they aren't planning to adopt, or if there's a fertile couple who will never have children, does this mean they can't get married?

I see nothing wrong with a bit on the side and would love that kind of relationship only problem is everyone else is monogamousHow odd, I find it's difficult to get a monogamous relationship, everyone wants either no relationship or an open one.