NationStates Jolt Archive

One word:

IGNORANCE!

A classic example:

"Hey, they're from England"
"What language do they speak in England?"

FFS!

Another one:

"Where is England?"
"I think it's in the middle east."

What the hell?

THIS IS A LOAD OF CRAP!

If ignorance is bliss then why the hell isn't America the happiest country in the world? Probably because knowledge is power - they're still in the dark!!!

"Hey, they're from England"
"What language do they speak in England?"

Welsh.

Can we say gross generalization children?

Oh boy...

Can we say gross generalization children?

I dunno... "generalization" is an awfully big word for a lil toddler like me..

america is awsome;) ,Sure they made some mistakes but the people are like to others they are really the most compassionit people in the world:fluffle:

america is awsome;) ,Sure they made some mistakes but the people are like to others they are really the most compassionit people in the world:fluffle:

You are confusing the USA with France :P

I suppose I should apologise for my less-knowledgeable bretheren. I'm not sure where you heard those comments but there really are a lot of us that do know where England is, although I must say that sometimes your regional accents don't sound much like english to us,:p as I'm sure we sound to the rest of the world.
Hate is such a strong word though. Surely we don't frustrate you so much that you'd like to kill us all?

And hey, I wouldn't say we're the most compassionate, but you know what? There are a lot of us that give volunteer time to various causes. (As I just did last week.) We're not all bad... Really!

Can we say gross generalization children?Yeah. I certaintly don't demonstrate the qualities of a true American then. It's hardly a reason to hate America.

Hate is indeed to strong a word, the US foreign policy certainly leaves something to be desired (Bombing every country who says no is a little unfair) and the attitudes of certain Americans that the world is theirs to run is also grossly misjudged, Freedom is the watch word here, an no one is free if the Americans run the world:D

That said, the American people have given us a great many things, cars, foods, clothing labels, *cough* porn*cough* and various other things

So don't hate americans, just grumble quietly about them!!;)

Troll ....go away.

That said, the American people have given us a great many things, cars, foods, clothing labels, *cough* porn*cough* and various other things

So don't hate americans, just grumble quietly about them!!;)

They hardly "give" it to us. Being good capitalists, they make us pay through our noses for it.
Well, except maybe the porn.... :D

Nice rant, now it's time to get over it and take your Prozak. Oh FYI if it wasn't for America you'd be speaking German and saying Sieg Hiel!:upyours:

I would be careful about arguing that France is more compassionate, especially after the riots there.

Frankly, the problem of being ignorant about foreign countries isn't limited to America alone. The world has its large share of idiots. For example, I once went to Canada to visit my cousins and since I was from Texas all their friends wanted to know if I said y'all and if I lived on a ranch and wore a cowboy hat. People just generally don't tend to pay attention to what is outside their immediate attention.

Theatricalis']Nice rant, now it's time to get over it and take your Prozak. Oh FYI if it wasn't for America you'd be speaking German and saying Sieg Hiel!:upyours:

Ugh...

There's a lousy stereotype, you are guilty of what you just accused all americans of...ignorance. I don't know a single human being in my country who's dumb enough to actually not know what language is spoken in England, and most of us had to go to geography class so we know England isn't in the middle east. Expand your horizons a little and get beyond the one or two internet junkies from America, and get to know some REAL Americans.

And on the subject of Geography of course you know where all the countries in Europe are you live there, and of course you bloody know where all the countries in North America are THERE'S ONLY THREE, MEXICO, CANADA AND AMERICA!! :rolleyes:

I thought they spoke Englandic in England, no?

Ugh...

My thoughts exactly...
Why do some people always feel the need to reinforce the prejudices others have about them?

And on the subject of Geography of course you know where all the countries in Europe are you live there, and of course you bloody know where all the countries in North America are THERE'S ONLY THREE, MEXICO, CANADA AND AMERICA!! :rolleyes:

*cough* - Mexico, Canada and the United States of America.

"Hey, they're from England"
"What language do they speak in England?"
Kernewek. :-)

Theatricalis']Oh FYI if it wasn't for America you'd be speaking German and saying Sieg Hiel!

It's more likely that much of Europe would be speaking Russian.

My thoughts exactly...
Why do some people always feel the need to reinforce the prejudices others have about them?


Why do people have to make I hate America threads? This is clearly flamebait and trolling . Its intended to piss Americans off, yet when they say something back, they are criticised for it. Its bullshit.

I dont hate america, theyve given us the ghostbusters and the word "ok." On the other hand I do hate those southern red neck closet/overt racist religious right wing bastards, and donald trump types (there is no logic except market logic blah blah blah) in the north. And the country club administration thats running the country which doesnt give a shit about anyone except themselves, psychos that they are.

Why do people have to make I hate America threads? This is clearly flamebait and trolling . Its intended to piss Americans off, yet when they say something back, they are criticised for it. Its bullshit.

That's what I meant... fight a troll by trolling back? :rolleyes:
;)
I don't hate America, and this thread will be a flamefest soon enough, but I still find it amusing how easy it is to bait some people...

*cough* - Mexico, Canada and the United States of America.
United States of America = America or Amerika
But, you already knew that! ;)

Theatricalis']Nice rant, now it's time to get over it and take your Prozak. Oh FYI if it wasn't for America you'd be speaking German and saying Sieg Hiel!:upyours:

Wihtout America we would be speaking Russian :headbang:

And indeed, Americans are not very aware of what is happening in the world, others call it ignorance. I think it is because of the size of the country, poor education and a (too?) positive self image.

But at least I can say:
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch :D

Or because we don't have time to watch the government run station BBC six hours a day :rolleyes:

Why do people have to make I hate America threads? This is clearly flamebait and trolling . Its intended to piss Americans off, yet when they say something back, they are criticised for it. Its bullshit.
It gives them something to do?

That's what I meant... fight a troll by trolling back? :rolleyes:
;)
I don't hate America, and this thread will be a flamefest soon enough, but I still find it amusing how easy it is to bait some people...

Exactly. Try and deflect the troll....by becoming one...:confused:

Intelligent alright :rolleyes:

These threads give me ample hours of fun to read after a long day :D

I think it's more fair to say you hate ignorance. Which many of us do. In case you didn't notice your comment was decidely ignorant. I'm American and where am I right now? Scotland. God I found it somewhere WHO KNEW THERE WAS A COUNTRY HERE? I sure didn't. damned suprised when my boat hit something before Norway.

Theatricalis']Nice rant, now it's time to get over it and take your Prozak. Oh FYI if it wasn't for America you'd be speaking German and saying Sieg Hiel!:upyours:

Oooh, worse than the OP.

United States of America = America or Amerika
But, you already knew that! ;)

But it upsets the Canadians when you say that ;)

bit of an unfair comment that (you'd all be speaking german if it wasnt for us..)..given the fact that the USA didnt give a damn about the whole 'world war' thing untill it happened to them...which always seems to be the case

anyway,i dispise america...but for the most part i like their people. have no problem with most of them. Just the complete contempt that they have for the rest of the world and their general foreign policy.



'oh my god you're from ireland? i'm irish!'
'no your not, you're american'
'but my great great grandfathers dog was irish'
'you were born in america,your parents are american'
'where in ireland do u live'
'belfast'
'do you know the o'learies from galway'
'yes,i do..because our country is only 500 yards across and we all know each other'

oh,and in case you didn't know
northern ireland is a different country

its like me saying 'oh, you're from america? do you know the valdez's from rio de janiro??'

dont know why im ranting to be fair, i really do like most americans. guess im just bored.
I don't thing that americans are stupid (as has been suggested many times) i just need to ask...is our children being educated?
hehe..sorry..but you have to admit, you're commander in chief is a jackass
Hail to the thief!

Exactly. Try and deflect the troll....by becoming one...:confused:

Intelligent alright :rolleyes:

These threads give me ample hours of fun to read after a long day :D

I'm sorry but retaliation to a blatant flaming thread is not becoming a troll. If I walk up and punched you in the face -youd most likely hit me back. And rightly so. People say a hell of a lot more hateful things than this guy did on any other given gay/abortion/Bush thread. If people wouldnt make such asinine threads, we wouldnt be having this conversation.

And to beat all, usually its some 15 year old from God knows where who has never even met an American who makes a thread like this.

bit of an unfair comment that (you'd all be speaking german if it wasnt for us..)..given the fact that the USA didnt give a damn about the whole 'world war' thing untill it happened to them...which always seems to be the case



ok, that was unfair, i know the u.s. gave aid to the british in the war, but my point remains valid, see 'war on terror' as case in point.

Theatricalis']Nice rant, now it's time to get over it and take your Prozak. Oh FYI if it wasn't for America you'd be speaking German and saying Sieg Hiel!:upyours:

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the Russians gave a hell of a lot more to WWII than the USA did. It it wasn't for them, then the USA couldn't have managed any kind of success in Europe. Oh, and let's not forget that the only reason the Americans could even mount any kind of offensive in Europe was thanks to Britain, the Navy and the RAF.

Oh goddammit. NS does run in cycles. We had a few abortion threads reacently, and now its the turn of the america bashing ones? these are always my least favourite, just get it out of you systems quickly people.

bit of an unfair comment that (you'd all be speaking german if it wasnt for us..)..given the fact that the USA didnt give a damn about the whole 'world war' thing untill it happened to them...which always seems to be the case

anyway,i dispise america...but for the most part i like their people. have no problem with most of them. Just the complete contempt that they have for the rest of the world and their general foreign policy.



'oh my god you're from ireland? i'm irish!'
'no your not, you're american'
'but my great great grandfathers dog was irish'
'you were born in america,your parents are american'
'where in ireland do u live'
'belfast'
'do you know the o'learies from galway'
'yes,i do..because our country is only 500 yards across and we all know each other'

oh,and in case you didn't know
northern ireland is a different country

its like me saying 'oh, you're from america? do you know the valdez's from rio de janiro??'

dont know why im ranting to be fair, i really do like most americans. guess im just bored.
I don't thing that americans are stupid (as has been suggested many times) i just need to ask...is our children being educated?
hehe..sorry..but you have to admit, you're commander in chief is a jackass
Hail to the thief!

I understand where you're coming from with the "You're not Irish you're American" thing. Unfortunately some Americans feel they have to talk like that because of the racial division in our country (which derives from the fact that we are so racially diverse) they seem to feel a need to invent a new identity for themselves so all the division can stop or something, actually don't totally understand it myself. I for one am proud of my Irish/german heritage, but thas besides the point.

And you are right about our president, remember not all of us Americans like 'im much either...;)

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the Russians gave a hell of a lot more to WWII than the USA did. It it wasn't for them, then the USA couldn't have managed any kind of success in Europe. Oh, and let's not forget that the only reason the Americans could even mount any kind of offensive in Europe was thanks to Britain, the Navy and the RAF.

And without America it wouldn't have worked either...point is we worked together, with one less nation against the Nazis at that time we would all be in a dire state, so division and hate is really just counterproductive.

Wait until you go over to the US and get accused of being an Australian
:mad: :mad: :mad:

President Boris...... from England

I love it when threads about different countries turn into WWII debates on saying who was better...

I for one think the Brits done a damn good job, holding off the Germans for 3 years or so until reinforcments rocked up. Where was the US then anyway? Im glad they shown up and all, but took their time huh?

Or because we don't have time to watch the government run station BBC six hours a day :rolleyes:

There's nothing wrong with government-run tv stations. We have the exact same thing here in Canada, it's called the CBC.

Anyways, living right next door to the States, I have found that I can't stand them either, but threads like this are getting way to repetitive as well. I'll admit I've said that I hate America many times before, but I don't actualy hate them, so much as, say, slighty despise them.

This rant is my rant, this rant is your rant
.....this rant was made for you and me...

Theatricalis']Nice rant, now it's time to get over it and take your Prozak. Oh FYI if it wasn't for America you'd be speaking German and saying Sieg Hiel!:upyours:
nice point

I love it when threads about different countries turn into WWII debates on saying who was better...

I for one think the Brits done a damn good job, holding off the Germans for 3 years or so until reinforcments rocked up. Where was the US then anyway? Im glad they shown up and all, but took their time huh?

Probably because they knew a thread like this would be made in the future.

No one is ever grateful for the US assisting them , but if they dont show up, then they are a bunch of dirty bastards. Make up your minds people.

america is awsome;) ,Sure they made some mistakes but the people are like to others they are really the most compassionit people in the world:fluffle:

Yes compassionate. With a tiny welfare state and very strict immigration laws. Yes compassionate...

And to beat all, usually its some 15 year old from God knows where who has never even met an American who makes a thread like this.
Don't be so sure.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1126_021120_TVGeoRoperSurvey.html
About 11 percent of young citizens of the U.S. couldn't even locate the U.S. on a map. The Pacific Ocean's location was a mystery to 29 percent; Japan, to 58 percent; France, to 65 percent; and the United Kingdom, to 69 percent.

It's more likely that much of Europe would be speaking Russian.
even better point

Sadly, Leonstein's linky is true. I'd often take my peers to a map or use my anatomy to explain where countries were.
Its mainly just not caring as opposed to stupidity.
I'd recommend the OP stop being so ignorate and tolerate ignorance, or something.

Probably because they knew a thread like this would be made in the future.

No one is ever grateful for the US assisting them , but if they dont show up, then they are a bunch of dirty bastards. Make up your minds people.

We are grateful for the US's assistance, but America has to realise that they are not the entire reason that Europe was liberated. In actual fact, had the Americans listened to the British at Omaha beach it would not have been the bloody battle it was. The British invented the duck bags which enabled tanks to be shipped across the channel, and we gave them to the Americans with the point that you could not use them more than 5 miles offshore. More than that and the waves would overturn them. The American army did not listen, used them in many cases up to 8 miles offshore and as a result, the tanks intended for Omaha beach never reached it.

Wihtout America we would be speaking Russian :headbang:

And indeed, Americans are not very aware of what is happening in the world, others call it ignorance. I think it is because of the size of the country, poor education and a (too?) positive self image.

But at least I can say:
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch :D
God created the Dutch so The Swedes would have a friend

God created the Dutch so The Swedes would have a friend
Wuh?!

Probably because they knew a thread like this would be made in the future.

No one is ever grateful for the US assisting them , but if they dont show up, then they are a bunch of dirty bastards. Make up your minds people.

Im all for the US helping out, just the fact they brag about it is a bit off setting. They take all the credit for a joint victory most of the time. To be fair there are some fights they won by themselves that they CAN brag about...

I think the part that makes people upset is that the US was asked over and over to give the Brits a hand and they just sat their eating their steaks when the Brits were stuck with powdered egg...

bit of an unfair comment that (you'd all be speaking german if it wasnt for us..)..given the fact that the USA didnt give a damn about the whole 'world war' thing untill it happened to them...which always seems to be the case

anyway,i dispise america...but for the most part i like their people. have no problem with most of them. Just the complete contempt that they have for the rest of the world and their general foreign policy.



'oh my god you're from ireland? i'm irish!'
'no your not, you're american'
'but my great great grandfathers dog was irish'
'you were born in america,your parents are american'
'where in ireland do u live'
'belfast'
'do you know the o'learies from galway'
'yes,i do..because our country is only 500 yards across and we all know each other'

oh,and in case you didn't know
northern ireland is a different country

its like me saying 'oh, you're from america? do you know the valdez's from rio de janiro??'

dont know why im ranting to be fair, i really do like most americans. guess im just bored.
I don't thing that americans are stupid (as has been suggested many times) i just need to ask...is our children being educated?
hehe..sorry..but you have to admit, you're commander in chief is a jackass
Hail to the thief!
quite true my friend on your quote" hehe..sorry..but you have to admit, you're commander in chief is a jackass

Im all for the US helping out, just the fact they brag about it is a bit off setting. They take all the credit for a joint victory most of the time. To be fair there are some fights they won by themselves that they CAN brag about...

I think the part that makes people upset is that the US was asked over and over to give the Brits a hand and they just sat their eating their steaks when the Brits were stuck with powdered egg...
It was Montgomery's ignorance that almost got the Western Front in 1944 annihilated

As a side note, if it wasnt for the Brits both Australia and the US wouldnt be the way they are today... because they never would have been settled by our ancestors.

EDIT: Changed 'America' to 'the US'

It was Montgomery's ignorance that almost got the Western Front in 1944 annihilated

It was the US's ignorance that almost got Europe wiped out, until the Japanese gave them a kick up the rear...

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the Russians gave a hell of a lot more to WWII than the USA did. It it wasn't for them, then the USA couldn't have managed any kind of success in Europe. Oh, and let's not forget that the only reason the Americans could even mount any kind of offensive in Europe was thanks to Britain, the Navy and the RAF.
but also remeber the supplies the US was giving Britian since 1940

Oh, the Russians also did more than the British did.....It wasnt untill the Americans arrived in N. Africa that the British were able to defeat Rommel

It was Montgomery's ignorance that almost got the Western Front in 1944 annihilated
Actually I'm thinking Market Garden was a pretty good idea. Had he gotten the proper resources he asked for, even the unexpected fact that the SS were relaxing in the area mightn't have happened.

The fact of the matter was that the American generals didn't like Monty. And Ike was more likely to listen to them than to him, who actually had experience.

As a side note, if it wasnt for the Brits both Australia and the US wouldnt be the way they are today... because they never would have been settled by our ancestors.
Please. If it wasn't for the Romans, the Normans, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Scottish, the French, the Celts, the Picts, the Welsh, and a number of other cultures there would be no Brits. Reconsider your logic, and get back to us on that.

It was the US's ignorance that almost got Europe wiped out, until the Japanese gave them a kick up the rear...
true... but most Americans feel our war was more in the Pacific...after all the Nazis did not do anythingto us..just the Japs...It was our ally Britian that got us sucked into the European theatre and declared war on by Germany

The Russians had a peace treaty with the Germans until the Germans gave them a kick up the rear aswell...

Don't be so sure.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1126_021120_TVGeoRoperSurvey.html

So that proves that they can find a link about America and read it. It doesnt mean they arent a 15 year old who has never even met an American, as my post stated. Come on Leon, you know good and well there are so many America hate threads and it's pointless and infantile.

That webpage pulled only one sentence from 75 page report. Well here's another:

Overall, knowledge of geography among young adults in the U.S. continues to trail that of young
adults in most other countries surveyed, and there is little to no improvement since the 1988
survey. However, young Americans are not alone. Some of their peers outside the U.S. also
struggled with basic geography facts, most notably young adults in Mexico, and to a lesser
degree those in Canada and Great Britain.
Answering about 70% of questions correctly, young adults in Sweden, Germany and Italy ranked
the highest of the nine countries surveyed. They were followed by the French (61%) and
Japanese (55%). Respondents in Great Britain answered 50% correctly.Their peers in Canada,
the U.S. and Mexico answered fewer than half the questions correctly.QUOTE]

Oh, the Russians also did more than the British did.....It wasnt untill the Americans arrived in N. Africa that the British were able to defeat Rommel
He was defeated in El Alamein. He didn't have any tanks left, and all he could do was retreat into a few positions way, waaaay West and dig himself in and wait for help from Germany which would never have come.

All the Allied landing did was cut off his retreat, forcing him to evacuate completely.

Actually I'm thinking Market Garden was a pretty good idea. Had he gotten the proper resources he asked for, even the unexpected fact that the SS were relaxing in the area mightn't have happened.

The fact of the matter was that the American generals didn't like Monty. And Ike was more likely to listen to them than to him, who actually had experience.
They were all prima donnas _Brits and Americans_ thats why we won the war so fast once we got there;)

Please. If it wasn't for the Romans, the Normans, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Scottish, the French, the Celts, the Picts, the Welsh, and a number of other cultures there would be no Brits. Reconsider your logic, and get back to us on that.

I agree with you on that, just making a point from an earlier post.

true... but most Americans feel our war was more in the Pacific...after all the Nazis did not do anythingto us..just the Japs...It was our ally Britian that got us sucked into the European theatre and declared war on by Germany
actually it was a non-aggresion pact

actually it was a non-aggresion pact

Ah, thats the word... slipped my mind for a moment, had to use a substitute. Anyway, you got the idea.

Come on Leon, you know good and well there are so many America hate threads and it's pointless and infantile.
Well, they usually point to some sort of reason someone doesn't like the States, from which the search for evidence begins. It's always interesting to get to the bottom of that.

At any rate, his story about an American not knowing anything about England is at least plausible, as we have seen in the link.

And also: At least having to sit in lesson after lesson of geography, learning all the capital cities of South America in school in Germany wasn't totally wasted...:D

true... but most Americans feel our war was more in the Pacific...after all the Nazis did not do anythingto us..just the Japs...It was our ally Britian that got us sucked into the European theatre and declared war on by Germany
actually it was a non-aggresion pact
I'm not following this here. Are you correcting yourself or just talking to yourself?

And also: At least having to sit in lesson after lesson of geography, learning all the capital cities of South America in school in Germany wasn't totally wasted...:D
We know the America's pretty good, actually. Its just Europe that gives us the trouble.
Tequilla does that to ya.

I believe he ment to quote me and missed his mark.

"Hey, they're from England"
"What language do they speak in England?"


That's your opinion, personally I can understand Latin from a monkey better.

"Where's England?
I think they're in the Middle East."

Thanks to imperialism they're only a century off from being correct.

I would love to know where these polls are being held where only 11% of children can find the USA on a map. When I was in school, not too long ago, geography was standard. Your highhorse? I just put a round through its head.

Edit: Sorry, I just woke up this morning and I feel like fighting everyone I see. Where's my black coffee dammit?

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the Russians gave a hell of a lot more to WWII than the USA did. It it wasn't for them, then the USA couldn't have managed any kind of success in Europe. Oh, and let's not forget that the only reason the Americans could even mount any kind of offensive in Europe was thanks to Britain, the Navy and the RAF.

Someone here needs a bit of a history lesson. Let's see, who was it that entered into a non-agression pact with the Nazi's so that they would hopefully march west & not east -- basically offering to give the Nazi's Western Europe? Who's Armies stopped at the Rhine, so the Soviets could have the honor of taking Berlin and atoning for it's prior sins through sacrificing it's troops in that effort? Who was it that wanted to bomb German cities/ciivilians in retaliation for London (England?), while the US bombed German fuel depots and military installations -- eventually destroying the Nazi's ability to run their tanks? Could the US have beaten the Nazi's alone? Of course, not. But just like WWI (where US generals commanded US troops over European objections), the US entry was clearly the difference.

As to our President? Unfortunately, he's a quirk of our Electoral College system in selecting Presidents -- and IMO has done more to de-stabilize the world and bring it closer to the brink of total disaster than any in our history. But that said, I love my country and believe in the basic goodness of its people -- don't ask others to. As soon as Czar Bush leaves office (he's virtually powerless now as a lame-duck and a revealed idiot even in his own party), most Americans want us to get back on the path of being the solution to problems, rather than the problem itself.

-snip-
The USSR had the highest casulaty rate. Blood. It means a lot.

"but also remeber the supplies the US was giving Britian since 1940"

I wouldn't call selling us equipment and oil 'giving', and then when we couldn't pay 'loaning' it to us - so we could pay the USA later. Really 'giving' there.

"Oh, the Russians also did more than the British did"

I never said they didn't.

I would love to know where these polls are being held where only 11% of children can find the USA on a map. When I was in school, not too long ago, geography was standard. Your highhorse? I just put a round through its head.
:rolleyes:
11% couldn't find it. Reading might also be a useful skill to be taught occasionally.

At any rate, direct any of your issues to National Geographic. I'm sure they'll be happy to respond.

And do you know how long I have been on NS General? My high horse is pretty much bullet proof by now.

"but also remeber the supplies the US was giving Britian since 1940"

I wouldn't call selling us equipment and oil 'giving', and then when we couldn't pay 'loaning' it to us - so we could pay the USA later. Really 'giving' there.

"Oh, the Russians also did more than the British did"

I never said they didn't.

It seems I have an ally here. :)

I think he directed that at me, but then again I never said the Russians didnt do more then the Brits... I just said the Brits were good for holding on as long as they did. Maybe it was the non-agression pact part...

This is the worst thread ever.

[QUOTE=Tilean Free States]...the American people have given us a great many things, cars, foods, clothing labels, *cough* porn*cough* and various other things

Correction. The Danes gave us porn;)

Just thank the internet for porn. It covers all the bases :D

Sadly, Leonstein's linky is true. I'd often take my peers to a map or use my anatomy to explain where countries were.

So... if I were to hang a world map "upside down", they would think Australia is the USA ?
And if the map showed a different continent in the center, that would probably also confuse them..

Maybe the next presidential campaign in the USA could involve globe-balloons ?

im an Arab, and as most ppl would think or believe, i should HATE any thing that has to do with americans... but i dont... im a graduate of american diploma... and i eat from Macdonalds... like most ppl in the Arab World... and like most ppl in the Arab Streets, we dont hate Americans... infact we think that they are somehow a role model... but in particular parts only... like science, military, and industry...
as for HATE... i HATE america, as a political super power... for arabs, we see america as two parts, the one as a role model, and the one as a super power, trying to control the world, and who doesnt want to become part of it, well.... they gave an example of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, North Korea, and an endless list of other countries, where the war started with US interfearance, one way or another... USA has NOright to invade iraq.... even the UN made a VITO on it... but what the hell... the UN is an American pupet...after all its in NEw York...
lets assume that they found Nuks in Iraq... wouldthey invade israel too??
why dont they just give us a break...

So... if I were to hang a world map "upside down", they would think Australia is the USA ?
And if the map showed a different continent in the center, that would probably also confuse them..

Maybe the next presidential campaign in the USA could involve globe-balloons ?
Wuh?!
May I ask, your general location, and what continent is in the center [of your local map/random map]?
It wouldn't confused me, anyhow. I'm sure someone would turn the map Northside up. Because it would be "wrong" to have it Southside down.

Apparently, Australia has an Northside down map. Canada has Canada in the middle, and so does China. Us Americans got the Prime Meridian in the middle. I've just heard these things. I have not witnessed them.

The USSR had the highest casulaty rate. Blood. It means a lot.

True. But don't you think they deserved it (to the extent any country did other than Germany), given the fact that their pact gave the Nazi's carte blanche to go after England & France? Remember, as the Nazi's began their march, the Russians got half of Poland and invaded Finland. What stopped the Nazi's was their own decision to attack Russia -- I am not surprised the Russians fought back. IMO, the Russians deserve credit for helping to START WWII, and very little in cooperating with the Allies to end it. Russia always acted out of self-preservation of itself via the Nazi's -- unlike all the more global preservation instincts of the US & Britain.

I have to say that I think it's cracking how the initiator of this thread said that the basis of his anti-Americanism is ignorance.

Or because we don't have time to watch the government run station BBC six hours a day :rolleyes:

Don't be silly. The government doesn't run the BBC stations; the government charters the BBC to include a certain amount of public interest broadcasting along with its entertainment broadcasting. In return the government allows the BBC to receive licence fees to support its public services. Think of it as a combination of something like ABC or NBC with PBS. Incidentally, the BBC's public service broadcasting includes carrying lectures and other programmes from the Open University, making that university one of the few bona fide universities in the developed world -- maybe the only one -- that allows remote university education via television.

Interesting point: I can't recall a single government in all the years I've been living here that the government hasn't complained that the BBC was broadcasting for "the other side": when the Conservatives were in power they accused the BBC of Labour bias; since Labour came to power they've been accusing the Beeb of Tory bias. Meanwhile, the Liberal Democrats claim the BBC doesn't take them seriously enough, and all politicians claim the BBC is "mischievous" in its treatment of politicians, because the BBC's interviewers (like British interviewers more generally) aren't obsequious toadies who need to be liked. Jeremy Paxman isn't referred to as "Pacman" for nothing.

Oh yes, and one is able to enjoy high quality broadcasts of films and other programmes including sporting events without the annoyance of commercials every ten minutes, as in some countries I could mention. If a programme is listed as sixty minutes long, the viewer gets sixty minutes of entertainment or information or whatever, not forty to forty-five minutes with annoying breaks in the flow of the programme.

Of course there's rubbish on British TV too, including on the BBC. That's why TV is called the "idiot box"; the nature of TV attracts a certain amount of mindless junk-shows, and the Brits seem to love them as much as anybody. When the British do crap, they do quality fertilizer; but when they do news or quality entertainment or documentaries, they really excel.

And British news doesn't tend to hide government stupidity from us. That includes information about the Bush administration. I can recall seeing broadcasts here about things and then discovering that my friends back home didn't even know about them. I suspect that one of the reasons Bush was re-elected is that Americans didn't have access to all the information we had before the 2004 election. It's been leaked since he got in again. If you want to know why he is so unpopular with US citizens working overseas, this is a big part of it: his administration isn't able to censor the BBC from broadcasting all the news, including the stories that show his incompetence. We knew what he was like all along.

So don't be quite so smug about US TV in relation to the government. At least the Brits don't have anything in the UK like *spits*Fox News*spits again*. You want to talk about toady-TV, look at Fox News, complete with "newscasters" with brown noses.

British TV is one of the things I miss whenever I'm home. I make a point of getting news from here via BBC World Service wherever I am in the world. Brits have plenty of problems with secrecy and the government, but it doesn't include the BBC (or their independent stations).

Wuh?!
May I ask, your general location, and what continent is in the center [of your local map/random map]?

Western Europe; which is also on the center of the worldmaps around here. USA on the left, asia on the right, Africa below us.

It wouldn't confused me, anyhow. I'm sure someone would turn the map Northside up. Because it would be "wrong" to have it Southside down.
Why ? Earth is a globe. The up and down were chosen arbitrarily.

im an Arab, and as most ppl would think or believe, i should HATE any thing that has to do with americans... but i dont... im a graduate of american diploma... and i eat from Macdonalds... like most ppl in the Arab World... and like most ppl in the Arab Streets, we dont hate Americans... infact we think that they are somehow a role model... but in particular parts only... like science, military, and industry...
as for HATE... i HATE america, as a political super power... for arabs, we see america as two parts, the one as a role model, and the one as a super power, trying to control the world, and who doesnt want to become part of it, well.... they gave an example of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, North Korea, and an endless list of other countries, where the war started with US interfearance, one way or another... USA has NOright to invade iraq.... even the UN made a VITO on it... but what the hell... the UN is an American pupet...after all its in NEw York...
lets assume that they found Nuks in Iraq... wouldthey invade israel too??
why dont they just give us a break...

If they found nukes in Iraq they wouldnt of said a word about them and hid them somewhere. Wouldnt anyone else? :D

Reasons I don't care about the origanal poster
1. That's some bullshit joke you heard on TV or a website
2. Some of us are smart and know more about England then England, I'm sure you have some dumbasses wondering around in your country too
3. Just because or leader is a tard doesn't mean we all are, in 2000 Bush DID NOT win the popular vote, but won via a gay outdated electoral system.
4. England is fighting in Iraq too, so shut your face.
5. Again, we can not all be blammed because in 2000 Bush won by the electoral collage system based on when the Constitution was signed when there wasn't modern voting technology like there is today, the electoral collage could've been out in the 1960s for good if some of congress wasn't as damn ignorant as they are.
6. I know pleanty about world history, including yours, so stop steroytyping 100 Million people because 10% of them are fucking idiots

Russia always acted out of self-preservation of itself via the Nazi's -- unlike all the more global preservation instincts of the US & Britain.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry, but moral preservation had disappointingly little to do with it. The UK declared war because they didn't have a choice anymore from a political point of view. They couldn't give a shit about Poland, or they would actually have kept their word and tried to help them.

And the US was attacked, remember?

One word:

IGNORANCE!

A classic example:

"Hey, they're from England"
"What language do they speak in England?"

FFS!

Another one:

"Where is England?"
"I think it's in the middle east."

What the hell?

THIS IS A LOAD OF CRAP!

If ignorance is bliss then why the hell isn't America the happiest country in the world? Probably because knowledge is power - they're still in the dark!!!
That's the weakest excuse to hate america that i have ever seen. Most Americans know where England is for pete's sake :rolleyes:

If you don't like America fine but have the balls to say it without giving a grade school excuse.

If you are currently living in the US do yourself and everyone around you a favor and go back home if you are so miserable.

I myself have nothing against England at all so don't take this as a personal attack on your country.

I suggest you read my first post in this thread, it killed any argument he might have to present.

Britian is the best country to give bullshit promises... promises that they are not willing to do... lets say world war 1... a colonization-free land for the native arabs, after there help to the brits in world war 1 against the ottomans...following the victory over the axis countries... Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestina, Egypt, Yemen, Djibouti, Iraq all were colonized by european super powers...
historically, the US and Brits are the worst models for preservations...

I suggest you read my first post in this thread, it killed any argument he might have to present.Just read it. Good post. I saw the thread pop up on my screen read the first post and had to comment.

;)

Why ? Earth is a globe. The up and down were chosen arbitrarily.
The map in my mind is a projected globe onto papper, therefore, the top side (up and the North Pole) and the bottom side (down and South Pole) would exist. This is also reinforced, because in my English dialect, we say, "We're going up North". I'm also done some orintiering, and for practicality, we use "up" for North, "down" for South, "left" for West, and "right" for East. Of course, that's assuming we know what the hell we're doing, and have the map orientated to the North.

Anyhow, North, is up in my reality. That is my truth. But here is the funny thing, lets take your map description:
Western Europe; which is also on the center of the worldmaps around here. USA on the left, asia on the right, Africa below us.
Magically, Western Europe is a continent. Something I don't consider it.
Now, looking here, "USA on the left". To me, Western European countries (more of a Cold War term describing countries outside of the Iron Curtain, and not a geographical one) line up more with Canada. The only Western European countries that line up with the US well are Italy, Spain, Portugaul, and Greece. If were going to use the "USA" I would recommend saying, "down a bit and to the left".
Next, "asia on the right". Depends. Normally "asia" is a proper noun, but in the US of A, we learn that Europe is a peninsula of Asia. Asia is very big. Not good to make references to.
Lastly, "Africa below us". Now, this reinforces my idea of North being "up" or "above". Its below you. Below refers to being "underneath" but also can mean "down" which works with my idea of South being "down".

By my judgement, you agree with me on North being up and South being below.

I've totally over done this, but it was fun.

You are a moron. If it wasn't for the US of A, Europe would be speaking German, all of Asia would be speaking Russian, South Korea wouldn't be free, and communism would run rampant throughout South America. Austrialia might even be under Japanese control too. If it weren't us Americans looking out for pussies like yourself, your life would be a lot worse than it is now. I am suprised that you claim to know so much.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sorry, but moral preservation had disappointingly little to do with it. The UK declared war because they didn't have a choice anymore from a political point of view. They couldn't give a shit about Poland, or they would actually have kept their word and tried to help them.
And the US was attacked, remember?
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Really? And just how was England supposed to really help Poland? declare War on Germany before the Nazi's invaded Poland?

Frankly, I'll admit to being a bit of a political "romantic" when it comes to belief in "moral preservation" of the Allies in WWII. However, I think it is interesting to compare the types of gov'ts possessed by the Allies (US, GB, France), as opposed to the types running Germany, Japan & Italy. Doesn't it strike you that the Russian gov't of the time really belonged in the Axis camp?

One word:

IGNORANCE!

My definition of IGNORANCE:
is the fact or condition of being ignorant, want of knowledge, general or special. To the soul, it is caused lack of observation, definite lukewarmness, indifference or failure to care after observation has taken place.

For example: making hugely general narrow minded statements about an entire Nation, based on personal prejudice.

True. But don't you think they deserved it (to the extent any country did other than Germany), given the fact that their pact gave the Nazi's carte blanche to go after England & France? Remember, as the Nazi's began their march, the Russians got half of Poland and invaded Finland. What stopped the Nazi's was their own decision to attack Russia -- I am not surprised the Russians fought back. IMO, the Russians deserve credit for helping to START WWII, and very little in cooperating with the Allies to end it. Russia always acted out of self-preservation of itself via the Nazi's -- unlike all the more global preservation instincts of the US & Britain.

Right...

Half the people that died in WWII deserved to die, hmm?

The map in my mind is a projected globe onto papper, therefore, the top side (up and the North Pole) and the bottom side (down and South Pole) would exist. This is also reinforced, because in my English dialect, we say, "We're going up North". I'm also done some orintiering, and for practicality, we use "up" for North, "down" for South, "left" for West, and "right" for East. Of course, that's assuming we know what the hell we're doing, and have the map orientated to the North.

Anyhow, North, is up in my reality. That is my truth. But here is the funny thing, lets take your map description:

Magically, Western Europe is a continent. Something I don't consider it.
Now, looking here, "USA on the left". To me, Western European countries (more of a Cold War term describing countries outside of the Iron Curtain, and not a geographical one) line up more with Canada. The only Western European countries that line up with the US well are Italy, Spain, Portugaul, and Greece. If were going to use the "USA" I would recommend saying, "down a bit and to the left".
Next, "asia on the right". Depends. Normally "asia" is a proper noun, but in the US of A, we learn that Europe is a peninsula of Asia. Asia is very big. Not good to make references to.
Lastly, "Africa below us". Now, this reinforces my idea of North being "up" or "above". Its below you. Below refers to being "underneath" but also can mean "down" which works with my idea of South being "down".

By my judgement, you agree with me on North being up and South being below.

I've totally over done this, but it was fun.

I would define down as being anything going towards the equator and up as being anything going towards the poles. Therefore, for me, if I am in Europe and I want to go to the south pole, it would be down for me (equator wins), but if I am in south Africa and I want to go to the south pole it would be up.

Or so I hope, I have never had to deal with this problem before.

Not to mention you are correct: USA is to the left of spain, italy and greece. Most of Europe is to the right of Canada.

Although I would argue that Europe is not a peninsula of Asia. It's called Eurasia.

One word:

IGNORANCE!

A classic example:

"Hey, they're from England"
"What language do they speak in England?"

FFS!

Another one:

"Where is England?"
"I think it's in the middle east."

What the hell?

THIS IS A LOAD OF CRAP!

If ignorance is bliss then why the hell isn't America the happiest country in the world? Probably because knowledge is power - they're still in the dark!!!


Im an American and i'll agree with you. Not all of us are morons though, just the vast majority.

Cheers

Any country that listens to Green Day and worships punk music is in trouble. God help my country.

I would define down as being anything going towards the equator and up as being anything going towards the poles. Therefore, for me, if I am in Europe and I want to go to the south pole, it would be down for me (equator wins), but if I am in south Africa and I want to go to the south pole it would be up...Although I would argue that Europe is not a peninsula of Asia. It's called Eurasia.
North Pole is closer to me than the equater. I aslo like compasses. It just works that way.

My 'splanation on "European Peninsula":
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10458202&postcount=49
I've sort of made up my own geographical terms there. :p

You Dont Like It. Then Get The Fuck Out Commi Pink"o"! Take Your Zog Machine With You. Go And Join The Taliban I Hear They Are Very Tolerant And Non Ignorant...

You are confusing the USA with France :P


Well, I don't know about France being the most compassionate, but then again I don't know much about France. What I can say is, France has a better head on its shoulders than the USA.

Some mistakes? SOME !? Yeah, man your pretty far off the mark there, USA foreign policy is pretty messed up. The people ? At worse, they are confused and mislead, like a lot ofother people from other countries. And at best, they can see what is going on for what it really is. Unfortunately, its hard to overthrow an authority so deeply entrenched.

bit of an unfair comment that (you'd all be speaking german if it wasnt for us..)..given the fact that the USA didnt give a damn about the whole 'world war' thing untill it happened to them...which always seems to be the case

anyway,i dispise america...but for the most part i like their people. have no problem with most of them. Just the complete contempt that they have for the rest of the world and their general foreign policy.



'oh my god you're from ireland? i'm irish!'
'no your not, you're american'
'but my great great grandfathers dog was irish'
...etc

its like me saying 'oh, you're from america? do you know the valdez's from rio de janiro??'

dont know why im ranting to be fair, i really do like most americans. guess im just bored.
I don't thing that americans are stupid (as has been suggested many times) i just need to ask...is our children being educated?
hehe..sorry..but you have to admit, you're commander in chief is a jackass
Hail to the thief!


Nice parody, but those semi-invented people aren't "America" those are a handful of Americans who may or may not exist as you describe them.

When I first came to the UK, I was asked by someone in London where I lived. When I told him (it's somewhere on a coast; I don't do RL details here) he asked me if I thought his cousin was in a good neighbourhood. His cousin lived in Minnesota.

Point is, I didn't assume that all Brits are that stupid. Likewise don't assume that a few tourist-types are representative of their whole country.

As for the official policy of the USA, yes it's stupid. That's the politicians who can buy public office, it's not "Americans".

As for your first comment about the world war, I chalk that up to "damned if they do, damned if they don't". People complain when the "Yanks" stick their nose in, they complain when the "Yanks" don't help out. If they'd just leapt into either world war uninvited, would they have been welcomed or would they have been labelled "busybodies"? I'm guessing it's the latter.

And as for your America/Rio de Janeiro thing, you do realize of course that the whole island of Ireland -- northern and southern areas -- is about 26,600 sq mi. The USA has forty-one states larger than that. We won't even talk about populations. And you also realize that Rio is in South America, not North America, right? You should have had your fake Yanks asking about Italy.

Your comparison is somewhere along the right lines, but you have the scale so far wrong, I'm tempted to say you do geography like an American.... :D

But I agree with you on the Radiohead.

North Pole is closer to me than the equater. I aslo like compasses. It just works that way.

My 'splanation on "European Peninsula":
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10458202&postcount=49
I've sort of made up my own geographical terms there. :p

As long as you know what you're thinking :p it looks like you do, so I will just assume you know your geography.

You Dont Like It. Then Get The Fuck Out Commi Pink"o"! Take Your Zog Machine With You. Go And Join The Taliban I Hear They Are Very Tolerant And Non Ignorant...

doesn't the beginning with caps at every word look familiar?

And I'd like to know where you heard the Taliban were very tolerant and knowledgeable.

I'd also like to know what a Zog Machine is.

Then why it's bad to be a Commi (more properly spelled as Communist).

I agree however, all people who like pink should be executed. Pink is evil to the power three.

Right...
Half the people that died in WWII deserved to die, hmm?

Read my post again. That's not what I said...or implied. You should respond to the substance presented, and not to what you want to perceive (for your own purposes) to be expressed. Don't "cherry pick" your info. :gundge:

Read my post again. That's not what I said...or implied. You should respond to the substance presented, and not to what you want to perceive (for your own purposes) to be expressed. Don't "cherry pick" your info. :gundge:

I quoted you entirely at first. Now I am going to be cherry picking, aka, emphasizing:

Originally Posted by Mariehamn
The USSR had the highest casulaty rate. Blood. It means a lot.

Originally Posted by Barristonia
True. But don't you think they deserved it (to the extent any country did other than Germany), given the fact that their pact gave the Nazi's carte blanche to go after England & France?


I realise that you said to the extent any country did other than Germany, but it was a very vague statement and in parenthese.

However, you're still saying they deserved the highest casualty rate.