NationStates Jolt Archive

So, we all know that the US righteously went in there, and France and Germany and Russia were all trying to save Saddam because they were making money from trade.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/27/politics/27germans.html?hp&ex=1141102800&en=6a78b72f28244dcc&ei=5094&partner=homepage
WASHINGTON, Feb. 26 — Two German intelligence agents in Baghdad obtained a copy of Saddam Hussein's plan to defend the Iraqi capital, which a German official passed on to American commanders a month before the invasion, according to a classified study by the United States military.

In providing the Iraqi document, German intelligence officials offered more significant assistance to the United States than their government has publicly acknowledged. The plan gave the American military an extraordinary window into Iraq's top-level deliberations, including where and how Mr. Hussein planned to deploy his most loyal troops.

Wrong.
The longer investigations, debates and so on last in Germany, the more of the ugly backroom deals in all of this come out. Not with Saddam, but with Bush.
I would assume that the same is true of France, except that Chirac is still around. As was the case when Schröder left, I suspect that investigations will follow, and find all sorts of interesting truths.

For Schröder in particular, and this seems to be an established fact now, this was simply about pandering to the masses in order to get re-elected. Have your cake and eat it too, so to say.

So maybe we can use this thread to finally dispell the myths put forward by both sides of the isle about "backstabbing allies" and "genuine, ethical concerns".

That was good acting. Does that mean the majority of nations in the world are going to say that America is a unilateral imperialist?
Germany is not the only case in which a government that warned against the invasion quietly helped United States forces wage the war. The Egyptian president, Hosni Mubarak, publicly warned that the invasion of Iraqi might lead to a human catastrophe and insisted that Egypt would not provide direct help to a United States-led military coalition. "It is not the case, and it won't be the case," he said in late March 2003.

But Mr. Mubarak quietly allowed United States aerial refueling tankers to be based at an Egyptian airfield, according to a United States military official involved in managing the air war against Iraq, who asked to remain anonymous because he was speaking about delicate diplomatic arrangements.
Looks like the "evil" Mid-East didn't like Saddam all that much either. Makes sense the Saudi's lent a hand.

I got nothing against Germany for this. America invaded, and they were going to win, might as well make things quicker.

That was good acting.
I suppose that's all it was. I'm actually surprised the BND would actually do operations like that. I didn't think they were the type.

Does that mean the majority of nations in the world are going to say that America is a unilateral imperialist?
It probably means that the majority of governments are going to say that the US is evil and wrong, as long as it gets them votes from people who believe exactly that.
And that the US can continue to count on its allies, as long as it's all kept under the table...:rolleyes:

Well gosh jimminy gee! That was sure swell of those Germans!

And what there is to be expected? Every nation has their own goals under the public image their government projects for a moral cause. It's called 'realpolitik'. Nothing more, nothing less.

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And what there is to be expected? Every nation has their own goals under the public image their government projects for a moral cause. It's called 'realpolitik'. Nothing more, nothing less.


realpolitik? and from which language might that be? dansk, for eksempel?

realpolitik? and from which language might that be? dansk, for eksempel?

It's German, stooge. It means "real politics." It refers to realism in foreign relations, as opposed to ethics or ideals.

It's German, stooge.
Its Danish as well. n00b :)

It's German, stooge. It means "real politics." It refers to realism in foreign relations, as opposed to ethics or ideals.


It´s Danish too, stooge. And i´m aware of the meaning but thank you for the explanation

It´s Danish too, stooge. And i´m aware of the meaning but thank you for the explanation

But it inherently comes from German. Even if it can be Danish.

Its Danish as well. n00b :)

Everyone knows that Danish is just a cypher of Cambodian. >_>

Get over it, people. It became a popular work in connection with Bismarck, and has since then been introduced into English. It is therefore for all intents and purposes an English word with German roots.

But it inherently comes from German. Even if it can be Danish.
Näh. My guess is that it comes from a Proto-Germanic root language that both developed from.
Everyone knows that Danish is just a cypher of Cambodian. >_>
Its Swedish talked with a lot of spit in your mouth. I can understand it. To speak it ... why? We can understand one another.
It is therefore for all intents and purposes an English word with German roots.
We're all right. Except that bit about Danish being Cambodian.

Everyone knows that Danish is just a cypher of Cambodian. >_>


Nope, the old proud Greenish with twist of Irish

On a similar note, how the hell did the hungarians end up speaking Finnish?

On a similar note, how the hell did the hungarians end up speaking Finnish?

They did? I thought they spoke... Hungarian?

You know, they're like the different ones in Europe. They're Magyars, everyone else is Germanic or Slav...

So, we all know that the US righteously went in there, and France and Germany and Russia were all trying to save Saddam because they were making money from trade.
I do believe this paragraph is the only accurate one in your entire post.

Näh. My guess is that it comes from a Proto-Germanic root language that both developed from.

Its Swedish talked with a lot of spit in your mouth. I can understand it. To speak it ... why? We can understand one another.

We're all right. Except that bit about Danish being Cambodian.

Pfft, Swedish sounds like a bunch of arrogant n00bs :p


It's amusing how K-P has now revealed his lack of knowledge about European languages, considering Realpolitik can actually be used in several without any problem. It can be Very hard to determine the root of a word, since that usually requires ancient litterature.

I do believe this paragraph is the only accurate one in your entire post.

Ah, gotta love that sarcasm.

It's amusing how K-P has now revealed his lack of knowledge about European languages, considering Realpolitik can actually be used in several without any problem. It can be Very hard to determine the root of a word, since that usually requires ancient litterature.

Oh, I know that it can be used by many European language. But the term "realpolitik" comes from German. Because Wikipedia said so.

I do believe this paragraph is the only accurate one in your entire post.


Amazing what one can make themself believe.

I do believe this paragraph is the only accurate one in your entire post.
So what was wrong about the rest? :confused: