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Yes, we're ripping off the metal thread.

So, what's the best punk/hardcore/crust/grind/ska/post-hardcore song?

I'm going to have to go with 'To Praise Prosthesis' by Orchid.

A machine put in my baboon heart.
And thanks to my new hip I can walk
again.--
what's so good about being human?
just a construct-changing definition,
for changing boundries.
my iron lung helps me breath-
and this glass eye helps keep
up appearances.
I'm a technological marvel.

There is no "best". I'm going with my all-time favorite, though.

Sex Pistols - Anarchy In The U.K.

D.o.a - Doa

Holiday in Cambodia
Dead Kennedys

I think my persoanl favorite at the moment would have to be, "Terminal Preppie" by the Dead Kennedys.

Sex Pistols are decent....but Dead Kennedys are Liberal.....

I think that Kill the Hippies, by The Casualties is the best....even though I'm not a Punk, or listen to it that often...

Dropkick Murphys - The Gang's All Here

(I'm) Stranded by The Saints isn't far short of perfect, really.

Sex Pistols are decent....but Dead Kennedys are Liberal.....

No, they're technically Anarchist. So were the Sex Pistols.

No, they're technically Anarchist. So were the Sex Pistols.

Remember, some people still think liberal and left are interchangable. ;)

I'm glad to see all the DK songs making it.

Remember, some people still think liberal and left are interchangable. ;)

I'm glad to see all the DK songs making it.

1: Haha, yeah. People are stupid.

2: As am I. Jello rocks.

Remember, some people still think liberal and left are interchangable. ;)
Yes, but they're right wing Americans and so think that Bush is a better man than Carter. Who gives a fuck what else they believe?

No, they're technically Anarchist. So were the Sex Pistols.
The Sex Pistols were a boy band project of Malcolm McLaren's. They had nothing to say, and could be best described as nihilists (in the seme sense the chronically idiot are nihilists).
To concur, I am stupefied that someone would characterize Punk as being bad because it's liberal (with the US term, mind you). Of course it is (I don't consider Nazi "punks" to be punks at all). And genuine punk is either political (Clash to Dead Kennedys) or lyrical (pre-Punk Velvet Underground and Patti Smith to Pixies and Husker Du to grunge, including early New Wave). (Or, if it's just idiotic, it can still get way more aesthetical than the Pistols - check out the Ramones).
I think that people who want to, as Cobain put it, date-rape should've got themselves something else to listen to. Let's say... Oi! - the Nazi Oi! at least, as I heard there's also another one.

Smoke Pot!
-Jello Biafra

Refused - New Noise

We dance to all the wrong songs,
We enjoy all the wrong moves...

The Sex Pistols were a boy band project of Malcolm McLaren's. They had nothing to say, and could be best described as nihilists (in the seme sense the chronically idiot are nihilists).
To concur, I am stupefied that someone would characterize Punk as being bad because it's liberal (with the US term, mind you). Of course it is (I don't consider Nazi "punks" to be punks at all). And genuine punk is either political (Clash to Dead Kennedys) or lyrical (pre-Punk Velvet Underground and Patti Smith to Pixies and Husker Du to grunge, including early New Wave). (Or, if it's idiotic, it can get way more aesthetical than the Pistols - check out the Ramones).
I think that people who want to, as Cobain put it, date-rape should've got themselves something else to listen to. Let's say... Oi! - the Nazi Oi! at least, as I heard there's also another one.

Two words. Fuck off.

You know that's bullshit just as well as I do. www.sex-pistols.net for the in-depth story of how the band started with Steve Jones, Paul Cook, and Wally Nightingale way back in 1972.

You do NOT wanna get involved in this with me. The only thing that'll happen is you'll end up looking like a dick who has no fucking clue. Read up.

Two words. Fuck off.

You know that's bullshit just as well as I do. www.sex-pistols.net for the in-depth story of how the band started with Steve Jones, Paul Cook, and Wally Nightingale way back in 1972.

You do NOT wanna get involved in this with me. The only thing that'll happen is you'll end up looking like a dick who has no fucking clue. Read up.
They are the crappiest, least meaningful band that ever had the nerve to consider itself punk.

The stranglers - no more heroes
The clash - london calling
The Sex Pistols - God save the Queen
Fisher Z - Room Service

They are the crappiest, least meaningful band that ever had the nerve to consider itself punk.

Don't get me started. Don't you dare even think about it.

Read about what really happened. I urge you to do so, or you're really asking for it.

Let's say... Oi! - the Nazi Oi! at least, as I heard there's also another one.

Oi is just punk for skinheads, most of it isn't white pride shit, but a few of the most vocal bands are.

But everyone knows the Anti Heros are better then Skrewdriver.

Don't get me started. Don't you dare even think about it.

Read about what really happened. I urge you to do so, or you're really asking for it.
Why should I read about a band that (only because it didn't want to have any clue) mixed Nazi symbolism with critique of Nazism and inculcated the annoying and ever-present idea that Anarchism=nihilism?
If I want authenticity, I'll get it from Velvet Underground, Biafra, the Clash, the Pixies, the better half of grunge, Elvis Costello, and early Green Day (to mention just a few).

They are the crappiest, least meaningful band that ever had the nerve to consider itself punk.
No, I think you'll find that was Green Day.

Why should I read about a band that (only because it didn't want to have any clue) mixed Nazi symbolism with critique of Nazism and inculcated the annoying and ever-present idea that Anarchism=nihilism?
If I want authenticity, I'll get it from Velvet Underground, Biafra, the Clash, the Pixies, the better half of grunge, Elvis Costello, and early Green Day (to mention just a few).

1: The whole Nazi thing was a shock joke. Google it, and stop acting like a retard.

2: Uh, the whole Nihilsm thing was also a joke, and it fucking worked brilliantly. Their "Anarchy In The U.K." single got them banned virtually everywhere.

3: Oh, The Clash are authentic, now, are they? What about the whole "Joe Strummer's missing!" thing? Don't start authenticity bullshit with me, bucko.

4: Oh yeah, early Green Day were so real. So real, in fact, that they used British accents in their interviews and started talking to each other when interviewers were asking questions. Yeah, that was totally not an act.

Meh, the sex pistols were aiite. The Clash was where it was at. No joke.

No, I think you'll find that was Green Day.
I don't like their new stuff. (Or, in a sense, I do - I still think they're better than most of what's out there.)
Nimrod is one of the best albums ever. And songs on all other albums can be better than anything by the Pistols. And more intelligent.

Mr. Blue Sky by Electric Light Orchestra.

I don't like their new stuff. (Or, in a sense, I do - I still think they're better than most of what's out there.)
Nimrod is one of the best albums ever. And songs on all other albums can be better than anything by the Pistols. And more intelligent.

Yeah, because we all know that songs about reality are so unintelligent.

God Save The Queen is about corruption and a shitty government. It's quite brilliantly written, really.

Holidays In The Sun is about their week-long trip to Berlin to escape the media frenzy in London. John almost started an incident by actually standing on the Berlin Wall.

E.M.I. Unlimited Edition is about the bullshit of the record companies. Simple and effective.

Pretty Vacant is about them not giving a shit about what people thought of them.

Liar is about Malcolm McLaren.

Sub-Mission is a piss-take at Malcolm.

Satellite is about the crappy satellite towns of London, where people had almost nothing to do. This is where the Pistols really gained a following, playing in them every night, just so they could have enough money to eat.


I could go on with the rest, but I think you get the picture.

I don't like their new stuff. (Or, in a sense, I do - I still think they're better than most of what's out there.)
Nimrod is one of the best albums ever. And songs on all other albums can be better than anything by the Pistols. And more intelligent.
When they come out with something even half as good as "Bodies", "God Save The Queen", "EMI" or "Pretty Vacant", then you can talk. Until such time as that happens you're farting like a retarded ventriloquist.

Mr. Blue Sky by Electric Light Orchestra.

You're my hero.

When they come out with something even half as good as "Bodies", "God Save The Queen", "EMI" or "Pretty Vacant", then you can talk. Until such time as that happens you're farting like a retarted ventriloquist.

Dude, I'm so putting that in my signature. That's brilliant.

ELO> everything else.

1: The whole Nazi thing was a shock joke. Google it, and stop acting like a retard.

Again, the Pistols themsekves are no-talent and shock jokes. They had nothing to say to the world.

2: Uh, the whole Nihilsm thing was also a joke, and it fucking worked brilliantly. Their "Anarchy In The U.K." single got them banned virtually everywhere.

Is that a thing to take into consideration? Nihilism was no joke in the context: it describes their attitute as nothing would. Thei supposed anarchism was a joke - you google the two terms and see what I mean.

3: Oh, The Clash are authentic, now, are they? What about the whole "Joe Strummer's missing!" thing? Don't start authenticity bullshit with me, bucko.

Your taste for punk seems to derive out of a taste for gossip. I don't care about such things. They are more authentic because of songs like "Spanish Bombs". My point was that those are about something, not the puerilism which gets you banned and makes you a media phenomenon. Simplicity and intelligent political commentary - that is what I like about punk. The Pistols can join join with the Exploited and fill the arenas with various types of hooligans.

4: Oh yeah, early Green Day were so real. So real, in fact, that they used British accents in their interviews and started talking to each other when interviewers were asking questions. Yeah, that was totally not an act.

Again, we don't have the same definition of authenticity. The point was not about not about such details, it was about meaning in songs. They are not the best in that area either, but I consider them better than most of their contemporaries.

Yes, we're ripping off the metal thread.

So, what's the best punk/hardcore/crust/grind/ska/post-hardcore song?
Umm, can I mention a couple because I can't decide?
"Wasted", by Black Flag
"California Uber Alles", by the Dead Kennedys
"Riot Riot Upstart", by Agnostic Front

Dude, I'm so putting that in my signature. That's brilliant.
Fix the bit where I've written "retarded" as "retarted" first, eh?

Again, the Pistols themsekves are no-talent and shock jokes. They had nothing to say to the world.

No talent? Hahahaha. YOU try to play a guitar like Steve Jones. That'd be fucking hilarious, because you wouldn't be able to do it. And nothing to say? They made people think. They obviously missed you, though.

Is that a thing to take into consideration? Nihilism was no joke in the context: it describes their attitute as nothing would. Thei supposed anarchism was a joke - you google the two terms and see what I mean.

Fucking hell. READ THE INTERVIEWS. Stop going by what dumb-fuck critics say about them, and actually read what the band itself has to say. They're quite intelligent people.

Your taste for punk seems to derive out of a taste for gossip. I don't care about such things. They are more authentic because of songs like "Spanish Bombs". My point was that those are about something, not the puerilism which gets you banned and makes you a media phenomenon. Simplicity and intelligent political commentary - that is what I like about punk. The Pistols can join join with the Exploited and fill the arenas with various types of hooligans.

1: Gossip, eh? Yeah, I guess that's why I love Husker Du, Reagan Youth, and the Dead Boys. Yeeeep, my taste is totally derived from gossip.

2: The Clash had the most packaged sound of any Punk Rock band of the age. They were good, yes, but they totally lost credibility after 1980, thanks to their plunge into the popularity pool. Black Market Clash was their last truly honest, good record.

2: The Pistols' songs were about real life, too. Granted, not all of them were serious (Anarchy, for example), but saying that they had nothing serious to offer is just ignorant. They didn't want to become a media phenomenon --- you can thank their shitty manager for that. They just wanted to play, and make people think about the music.

3: Hooligans? Excuse me while I laugh.

Again, we don't have the same definition of authenticity. The point was not about not about such details, it was about meaning in songs. They are not the best in that area either, but I consider them better than most of their contemporaries.

There's only one definition of "authenticity". Fuck your bullshit.

Good Charlotte - Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous :fluffle: :fluffle: :gundge:

God I hate this whole "real punk is this..." bollocks. The point of punk is not fitting in, not going with the flow. So you can be a punk through whatever- anarchist, nihilist, even nazi.

That said:
God Save The Queen- Sex Pistols
Boots and Braces- Skrewdriver
Kill The Poor- Dead Kennedys
I fought the Law- Clash
Police Oppression- Angelic Upstarts

Please dont make me choose

God I hate this whole "real punk is this..." bollocks. The point of punk is not fitting in, not going with the flow. So you can be a punk through whatever- anarchist, nihilist, even nazi.

That said:
God Save The Queen- Sex Pistols
Boots and Braces- Skrewdriver
Kill The Poor- Dead Kennedys
I fought the Law- Clash
Police Oppression- Angelic Upstarts

Please dont make me choose

I'm tired of the "real Punk" shit, too. I'm just trying to get it into somebody's obviously full brain that the Pistols were an honest, real band, not some media creation.

Less of this trivial nonsense. More Refused worshipping. It might bring Dennis Lyxzen to the brink of suicide and cease his once great [International] Noise Conspiracy's now infernal racket.

Boots and Braces- Skrewdriver
Interesting, isn't that a song from after their white power reincarnation?

Interesting, isn't that a song from after their white power reincarnation?

Yup. But I love that song.

Punk's not dead it just deserves to die...
-Dead Kennedys

No talent? Hahahaha. YOU try to play a guitar like Steve Jones. That'd be fucking hilarious, because you wouldn't be able to do it. And nothing to say? They made people think. They obviously missed you, though.

Well, yeh, because I've been done with that type of thinking when I was about five. You see, I don't need to think about how to button my shirt or tie my shoelaces - things on the usual level of meaning where most Pistols songs sit.
And the "guitar virtuoso" defense is just so out-of-place in punk. You sound like a Roy Orbison fan, that's all "into the music".

Fucking hell. READ THE INTERVIEWS. Stop going by what dumb-fuck critics say about them, and actually read what the band itself has to say. They're quite intelligent people.

Yeah-huh. They had no ideology, no solution, no point, and no logic. They also didn't have any lyricism to compensate.

1: Gossip, eh? Yeah, I guess that's why I love Husker Du, Reagan Youth, and the Dead Boys. Yeeeep, my taste is totally derived from gossip.

Good for you. And please, don't take my statements out of context.

2: The Clash had the most packaged sound of any Punk Rock band of the age. They were good, yes, but they totally lost credibility after 1980, thanks to their plunge into the popularity pool. Black Market Clash was their last truly honest, good record.

I'd rather have many early new wave bands than anything by the Pistols. And, apparently, so would Rotten (PIL? Isn't that more opportunistic than anytrhing else?).

2: The Pistols' songs were about real life, too. Granted, not all of them were serious (Anarchy, for example), but saying that they had nothing serious to offer is just ignorant. They didn't want to become a media phenomenon --- you can thank their shitty manager for that. They just wanted to play, and make people think about the music.

"They just wanted to play" excuses anything, from Jerry Lee Lewis to Michael Jackson to Mariah Carey. If that should be any "excuse", I'd rather do without it.

3: Hooligans? Excuse me while I laugh.

Explain why Biafra had to laugh at punks with swastikas? Who started that shit? I'm willing to bet it was the generic "I want anarchy" of the spastic people that get anarchy not from Durruti or even Bakunin, but from the burgeois notion that leaderless means violent (mind you, I'm no anarchist of any kind, but, in the words of Goodman's character in The Big Lebowski, "at least it's an ethos"). It was the Pistols and their Bonapartist lumpen-proletarian audience.

There's only one definition of "authenticity". Fuck your bullshit.

Yeah, excellent dialectics.

Well, yeh, because I've been done with that type of thinking when I was about five. You see, I don't need to think about how to button my shirt or tie my shoelaces - things on the usual level of meaning where most Pistols songs sit.
And the "guitar virtuoso" defense is just so out-of-place in punk. You sound like a Roy Orbison fan, that's all "into the music".

1: No comment.

2: If you feel that way, why did you bring up "talent" in the first place, hmm?

Yeah-huh. They had no ideology, no solution, no point, and no logic. They also didn't have any lyricism to compensate.

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/sex-pistols/123626.html

Good for you. And please, don't take my statements out of context.

I was within the context of your statement. Stop trying to back away from this.

I'd rather have many early new wave bands than anything by the Pistols. And, apparently, so would Rotten (PIL? Isn't that more opportunistic than anytrhing else?).

Who cares about your taste? And John started PIL because it was totally different, unlike anything before it.

"They just wanted to play" excuses anything, from Jerry Lee Lewis to Michael Jackson to Mariah Carey. If that should be any "excuse", I'd rather do without it.

Not really. They did just want to play their music and get their message out. Their manager pretty much ruined any chance of that (along with England's censorship).

Explain why Biafra had to laugh at punks with swastikas? Who started that shit? I'm willing to bet it was the generic "I want anarchy" of the spastic people that get anarchy not from Durruti or even Bakunin, but from the burgeois notion that leaderless means violent (mind you, I'm no anarchist of any kind, but, in the words of Goodman's character in The Big Lebowski, "at least it's an ethos"). It was the Pistols and their Bonapartist lumpen-proletarian audience.

It started as a joke back in 1976. It got out of hand, which is why the Pistols stopped wearing the swastikas. Eventually, it sprouted into an actual neo-nazi movement, which really spun things out of control. You still have no idea of what you're talking about.

Yeah, excellent dialectics.

At least those words were backed with meaning, unlike the bullshit you've gathered on the Pistols.

Punk is DIY. Simple as that....

1: No comment.

2: If you feel that way, why did you bring up "talent" in the first place, hmm?

Lyrical talent. As in: meaning.

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/sex-pistols/123626.html

And just what the hell is that except for frustration? Plus: don't you think anybody on the planet knows the lyrics to the goddamn song by now?


I was within the context of your statement. Stop trying to back away from this.

No, I had said that, according to what you posted, you include in your analysis things of no relevance, and ones that you interpret as a Sun journalist would.

Who cares about your taste?

Who cares about yours?

And John started PIL because it was totally different, unlike anything before it.

Oh, yeah, sure. And, true or not, how is that differnt? It means at best that everybody has a liberty to create new sound, and, at worst, that Rotten is as rotten as the next guy. Clash pursued a meaning, disagree with it or not. Rotten just integrated the next thing.

Not really. They did just want to play their music and get their message out. Their manager pretty much ruined any chance of that (along with England's censorship).

WHAT MESSAGE? The Emperor is naked!

It started as a joke back in 1976. It got out of hand, which is why the Pistols stopped wearing the swastikas. Eventually, it sprouted into an actual neo-nazi movement, which really spun things out of control. You still have no idea of what you're talking about.

You did not get my point. If someone one tatoos himself with a hate symbol because he does not have culture or brain to make the difference, if it takes a band who, on all counts, had a fuller vision than the "let's get drunk" Pistols to set them straight (ie: the Kennedys), if the line is blurred between neo-nazis and others to the point where Biafra point out it's about the freak in scholl - and not about the date rapist - if all of these happen, then I can surely name the Sex Pistols lumpen-opportunistic and the majority of their audience hooligans (while making an exception for the many who listened to the Pistols because they could use better, but no better was as visible).

At least those words were backed with meaning, unlike the bullshit you've gathered on the Pistols.

Thanks, Socrates. Coming from a modern-day Camus, the words fill me with glee.

Something by Operation Ivy.

Argesia, Potarius you are pathetic. Enjoy it or don't, don't bitch about it.

Anyway, I don't care for the old stuff much. But I like anything by Strike Anywhere.

Vandals... pretty much the whole album of Live Fast Diarrea.

Something by Operation Ivy.
Ooh, I'd forgotten about them.
"Jaded" is a good one.

Argesia, Potarius you are pathetic. Enjoy it or don't, don't bitch about it.

It just pisses me off when people are so thick headed. It really does.

I'm just going to step out of this one, because obviously, it's no use.

It just pisses me off when people are so thick headed. It really does.

I'm just going to step out of this one, because obviously, it's no use.

Argumentum ad hominem. That is all you have, man.

Newest Industry by Husker Du is superb. Anybody like that one, too?

Newest Industry by Husker Du is superb. Anybody like that one, too?
I love it, I really do. There are things we can agree on.

I've got a vinyl rip of Zen Arcade. It's good stuff.

But that argument got out of hand with the ad hominem attacks. I was just trying to point out that the Pistols were an actual band, and that they're very good musicians, except for Sid. See "The Professionals", Steve and Paul's band, for a good reference. Steve's solo work is also quite good.

All I'm asking is that you read about what they have to say, rather than what other people do.

Guitared and Feathered- Every Time I Die

That song rocks my socks.

I've got a vinyl rip of Zen Arcade. It's good stuff.

But that argument got out of hand with the ad hominem attacks. I was just trying to point out that the Pistols were an actual band, and that they're very good musicians, except for Sid. See "The Professionals", Steve and Paul's band, for a good reference. Steve's solo work is also quite good.

All I'm asking is that you read about what they have to say, rather than what other people do.
Man, I've read what they say. It's in their lyrics as well. I profoundly dislike their own reference and descriptions of what they do. Sorry, I cannot compromise on that. (Also, I would like to mention that I don't read reviews as a rule, and the two or three I acidentally read about the Pistols were all enthusiastically in their favor - which, needless to say, did not convince me).

About the ad hominem: you started by telling me to fuck off, then you called my posts bullshit, and me personally a retard (not once, but thrice). You assumed that I do not know what I'm talking about, and you referenced your oppinion to other posters. I probably wasn't all fair with you, but I did not launch personal attacks (and, frankly, I did not feel the need to).
Things like that happen, and I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. But these are my views, and I thought I could argue for them - since I dred falling into the subjective value vs. subjective value trap.

Hmm... If we're talking hardcore, I'm a big fan of Cashing In by Minor Threat, both musically (The section where they play with different emphasis on the same words at the end is awesome) and lyrically.

In terms of other punk, I'd say either Merchandise by Fugazi (Don't even start on the whole "emo-core" bullshit or anything. There is more punk message to Fugazi than Black Flag could ever conjur), or History Lesson Part Two by the Minutemen.

Man, I've read what they say. It's in their lyrics as well. I profoundly dislike their own reference and descriptions of what they do. Sorry, I cannot compromise on that. (Also, I would like to mention that I don't read reviews as a rule, and the two or three I acidentally read about the Pistols were all enthusiastically in their favor - which, needless to say, did not convince me).

About the ad hominem: you started by telling me to fuck off, then you called my posts bullshit, and me personally a retard (not once, but thrice). You assumed that I do not know what I'm talking about, and you referenced your oppinion to other posters. I probably wasn't all fair with you, but I did not launch personal attacks (and, frankly, I did not feel the need to).
Things like that happen, and I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. But these are my views, and I thought I could argue for them - since I dred falling into the subjective value vs. subjective value trap.

1: I can't change anybody's opinions, so I'm leaving that as-is.

2: Yeah, and like I said, I get really pissed off when people say crap like that about the Pistols (or any band). The point is, I'd defend the Pistols even if I didn't like them. But I've come to the point where when somebody says these things, I get really jumped. I guess I should be more cautious, but you don't have any idea of how many people I've had to deal with in this sort of thing.

The Pistols are just one of those bands that's gotten a lot of shit thrown their way for no real reason. You don't have to think highly of them or their music, but all I'm asking is that people recognise what they were, rather than what they weren't.

The Pistols are just one of those bands that's gotten a lot of shit thrown their way for no real reason. You don't have to think highly of them or their music, but all I'm asking is that people recognise what they were, rather than what they weren't.

I find that all the time these days. It's like a revisionist tendency within the punk movement to erase the Pistols from being seen as the fathers of the punk. Fuck them. Pistols rule. They may be saying very little except that they ain't happy, but damnit theyre angry and theyre fucking great to listen to.

That said, I hate The Ramones. Bollocks to them, they're just sped up rocknroll.

Yay, I started a flamewar that isn't about god, abortion, politics or the US, go me. :D

I find that all the time these days. It's like a revisionist tendency within the punk movement to erase the Pistols from being seen as the fathers of the punk. Fuck them. Pistols rule. They may be saying very little except that they ain't happy, but damnit theyre angry and theyre fucking great to listen to.

That said, I hate The Ramones. Bollocks to them, they're just sped up rocknroll.
I see your Trotskyite sectarianism does not stay awake around the clock. For how else would you condone in the Pistols what you despise elsewhere?

"The Decline" by NoFX.

Any fans of the Locust?

"friggin in the riggin" by the sex pistols.

Hmmm, well, i'll throw in a little known classic..."17 Years of Hell" by the Partisans.

...and "Detention Girl" by the Dwarves.

(Not much point in me mentioning the Dead Kennedys :p)


Less of this trivial nonsense. More Refused worshipping. It might bring Dennis Lyxzen to the brink of suicide and cease his once great [International] Noise Conspiracy's now infernal racket.

Whooo yeah. Refused are fuckin' genius.

Its ethir somthing from the rammones, or it from the misfits
dont agree? read my sig.

dont agree? read my sig.

Your sig is lame.

I don't know if I could limit myself to just one song, but I could come up with a decent list of songs that would be good for a "best of" CD:

"Anarchy in the UK" - Sex Pistols
"Koka Kola" - The Clash
"Wonderful" - Circle Jerks
"I Wanna Be Sedated" - The Ramones
"Devil Doll" - X
"New Day Rising" - Husker Du
"I Don't Care About You" - Fear
"MTV Get Off The Air" - Dead Kennedys

Do the Pogues count as punk??(Dont see what else they could be).

Interesting, isn't that a song from after their white power reincarnation?

Its a song from the the WP line-up, but released before they took their political WP stance.

Do the Pogues count as punk??(Dont see what else they could be).

Not really, and although their lineage can obviously be drawn from the Nipple Erectors and The Radiators From Space, it can equally be traced from Steeleye Span. They kind of stood alone with the music they were making at their peak (although anyone into The Pogues should definitely track down some of the contemporaneous The Men They Couldn't Hang).

Do the Pogues count as punk??(Dont see what else they could be).
Yes, definitely. (And The Men They Couldn't Hang.)

If people are getting snotty over the whole, "this bunch was punks first" business, can I just point out that The MC5 and The Deviants invented this stuff back when Iggy Pop was still playing drums in a blues band?
(And that Nadir's Big Chance by Peter Hammill is a very similar album to Horses by Patti Smith, except for coming out eight or nine months earlier and being a damn sight better...)

If people are getting snotty over the whole, "this bunch was punks first" business, can I just point out that The MC5 and The Deviants invented this stuff back when Iggy Pop was still playing drums in a blues band?

...and before that, there were The Sonics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sonics). :)

I Choose (skrewdriver) - Race War.... And Im Spanish.

The Birthday Party is my favourite- it was Nick Cave before he was in that christian band the Bad Seeds. I've got some great 12" by them, like Drunk on the People's Blood and Prayers on Fire. Capers is a good piece:

What has not got my heart in it shall we be dubbed sir names
Wither million blither tongues mounting bristling guilt frames
In the fake - ache of the gloomloom slippers slap me alive!
The hour hands down a miracle to spend with ugly types
So we can catch and thread a minstrel bleed a tower down to it’s ankles
So we can’t go up or stay up find the thumb dumb in your ear brain
Get unfunny! such as choirs do why the clocklock bought up this one
Just when things seemed so paperparrent like my toothface? like my out-do?

Capers... capers...

Oh a streak, o’treacly ink-inks tied my knees all up in elbows
Erase that lapsing smile tub lose the slip of the small soap-fellows
Account the addups till I do-nots are we balanced? we’re in business!
Idle tidal, rush in, tried all with a limb’s...all legs and armour
I had a dreadful diehood diehard, drunken, sunken, monk-heart
Oh I had a wonderful diehood thanks to my fa, fa, family

Agathocles is another favourite of mine from Belgium, really crust dirty grindfilth chainsaw shit, that pays out not just Flemish Bloc Nazis, sexists, racists, anarchists, yuppies, the rich, whiners, wimps, pansies and the army, but would-ve punks as well.

A for Arrogance

I watch them at our gigs
With an A on their backs
The A stands for arrogance
'coz respect they surely lackI watch them at our gigs
With an e on their jacks
The E stands for enemy
And egocentric

Dogmatic values is what they create
Another bullshit thing that i fucking hate
Telling me what I should do telling me what I shouldn't do
Another hardcore-master another punk-guru
Preaching about respect and so-called equality
But they're just creating and elitarian scene
Would-be gods destroying all the things we've built
Oh yes they're so punk…

Sieg Shit

See them shouting in the streets,
Shouting "hail" on a marching beat,
Didn't history teach us that,
Fascist bastards bring us death,
Must we be tolerant?
Or smash them with our own bare hands?

Put them together on a nuclear base,
And just bomb the fucking place,
What we gonna do when it's all too late?
And when there's nothing left on our plate,
No more bullshit like "we didn't know",
When the nazis are heading for another show,
FIGHT BACK - KILL THE NAZI PACK
FIGHT BACK - KILL THE NAZI PACK
Never-Again
Raise your voice and raise your fists,
Because we too are very pissed,
And be aware of the fact,
The nazi-regime must be cracked,
Just smash all the fascist pigs,
Then solve this economical shit,
Socio-anarchism must rise again,
And it will not be the American dream

Hippie Cult

Hippie cult - what a joke
Suck your joints, I hope you'll choke
Love and peace,
(seems to be) hash and weed,
rebellious minds,
comformists of another kind,
Hippie cult - what a joke
Suck your joints, I hope you'll choke
Change the globe ?
with hash and dope ?
Boss of tommorow,
Hippie of today.



Severed head of State is awesome too- check out "Hammering in the Nails".

Other bands I recommend are Concrete Sox (UK), Toxic Narcotic (USA), Chaotic Dischord (UK), Tragedy (USA), Totalitar (Sweden), Viimeinen Kolonna (Finland), Silmaosasto (Finland), Okotta (Belgium), Detestation (USA), Poison Idea (USA), Children of the Barren Wasteland (USA), Kaaos (Finland), Clusterbombunit (Germany), Vitamin X (Holland) and Nina Hagen (Germany).

...and before that, there were The Sonics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sonics). :)
I was forgetting them, you're right. The Kingsmen might be worth mentioning as well.

Also go to mp3.com.au, look up ACT from Brisbane and listen to "Age of Christ", look up Goatfucking Nunrapers from New Zealand and listen to "Kill All Cops" ("Kill all cops, kill all cops, let the blood flow- let police blood flow!") I did a cover of that song last year, when I actually had a social life and was in a band. Now I'm sucked into NationStates and full-time work :(

Agathocles is another favourite of mine from Belgium, really crust dirty grindfilth chainsaw shit, that pays out not just Flemish Bloc Nazis, sexists, racists, anarchists, yuppies, the rich, whiners, wimps, pansies and the army, but would-ve punks as well.


Punks against anarchism??

Best?
I'm not sure about the best but one of my favorites is Moron multinationals by the Usual suspects (Belgium) they're kinda ska-punk

For classic punk, "Jamie Jones" by The Clash.
For classic hardcore, "Pull down the shades" by The Enemy (aka Toy Love). If you've never heard it, find a copy and listen to asap. They just re-released Toy Love's ablum last year, so it shouldn't be too hard to track down.

The Birthday Party is my favourite- it was Nick Cave before he was in that christian band the Bad Seeds.

Oooh, yeah, the Birthday Party are great. :)

Bad Religions - "I Want To Conquer The World" at least name someone who can still make music.

Roots Radical- Rancid

For classic punk, "Jamie Jones" by The Clash.


Janie Jones.

If she had been a he the scandal would have been much different.

I'm surprised Propagandhi hasn't made this list yet! My favourite is definitely Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes by Propagandhi.

punk is way too broad a genre to find the one best song but...seeing as the only punk i like is grindy crusty stuff, the best "punk" song has to be no remorse by Kylesa, insanely energetic considering theyre a stoner band awesome shit, plus, hot chick screaminess

A Piss in the Ocean by Conflict is a good one

The Murder of Liddle Towers by the Angelic Upstarts is another classic song.

anything by Minor Threat
but let's go with "In My Eyes"

Other bands I recommend are
<snip>Kaaos (Finland), Clusterbombunit (Germany), Vitamin X (Holland)
You've checked out Havoc Records before, right?
If you haven't, they're carrying stuff by those bands and a bunch of other good bands in a similar genre (Tampere SS, Caustic Christ, Aus Rotten). Free MP3 samples and stuff too.

What's with the PC shit?

Oh well, some of my favorites at the moment: Cut My Skin (former Scattergun) - No Democracy
The Blitz - Youth
Cotzraiz - Süsse Träume
Angelic Upstarts - I'm an Upstart
The Blaggers ITA - Save Your Hate
Olho Seco - Nada
The Business - Real Enemy
Cockney Rejects - We are The Firm
Loikaemie - Unsre Szene
Cólera - Direitos Humanos
Deadline - Another Day In ParadiseI couldn't possibly decide on a favorite tune.

Any fans of Shai Hulud?

Other bands I recommend are Concrete Sox (UK), Toxic Narcotic (USA), Chaotic Dischord (UK), Tragedy (USA), Totalitar (Sweden), Viimeinen Kolonna (Finland), Silmaosasto (Finland), Okotta (Belgium), Detestation (USA), Poison Idea (USA), Children of the Barren Wasteland (USA), Kaaos (Finland), Clusterbombunit (Germany), Vitamin X (Holland) and Nina Hagen (Germany).

Respect.

I went up to page 5 or so, and saw absolutely no "hardcore" anywhere. This saddens me greatly.

For Punk Stuff, anything Minor Threat and Black Flag. For hardcore, Gorilla Biscuits, Betrayed... and tons more.

Janie Jones.

If she had been a he the scandal would have been much different.
Jamie can be a girl's name as well, I'll have you know.

I find that all the time these days. It's like a revisionist tendency within the punk movement to erase the Pistols from being seen as the fathers of the punk. Fuck them. Pistols rule. They may be saying very little except that they ain't happy, but damnit theyre angry and theyre fucking great to listen to.

That said, I hate The Ramones. Bollocks to them, they're just sped up rocknroll.

*hands you a cookie*

I like the Ramones anyway, and that's just because they're speedy, poppy Rock 'n' Roll. :p

Anyway, I suggest all of you listen to Husker Du's "Metal Circus". That's some truly good stuff.

Best punk/hardcore song of all time?

No such thing.

Worst. Flamebait. Ever.

Try again.

Worst. Flamebait. Ever.

Try again.

No, not flamebait. Opinion. It's a genre I don't like, and I'd rather you not attack me for it.

No, not flamebait. Opinion. It's a genre I don't like, and I'd rather you not attack me for it.

No, posting shit like that in a thread about a specific genre is flamebait.

Don't try to weasle out of it. You know exactly what you did.

No, posting shit like that in a thread about a specific genre is flamebait.

Don't try to weasle out of it. You know exactly what you did.

If you look closely, you'll notice me saying nothing about people who happen to like punk music, only something about me not liking the music.

If you look closely, you'll notice me saying nothing about people who happen to like punk music, only something about me not liking the music.

Saying there's no such thing as good Punk Rock music in a thread about Punk Rock is flamebait.

Saying there's no such thing as good Punk Rock music in a thread about Punk Rock is flamebait.

It seems that you think opinion is flamebait. Speaking your mind is still not a crime.

It seems that you think opinion is flamebait. Speaking your mind is still not a crime.

Do you want me to get a mod in here or what? You did what you did, and what you did was 100% flamebait.

Do you want me to get a mod in here or what? You did what you did, and what you did was 100% flamebait.

Would you rather me edit my post to 'do not have one, because I do not like the genre?'

It takes the sting out of it, but still carries the same message. I'm not calling people who listen to punk anything, I am simply stating my opinion of the genre.

Would you rather me edit my post to 'do not have one, because I do not like the genre?'

It takes the sting out of it, but still carries the same message. I'm not calling people who listen to punk anything, I am simply stating my opinion of the genre.

That's not what I'm saying. You said there were no good Punk Rock songs in a thread about Punk Rock.

That. Is. Flamebait.

That's not what I'm saying. You said there were no good Punk Rock songs in a thread about Punk Rock.

That. Is. Flamebait.

Since you are in disagreement with my post, I'll edit it. Believe me, my intention was not flamebait. In hindsight, I was maybe too strong.

I went up to page 5 or so, and saw absolutely no "hardcore" anywhere. This saddens me greatly.

Refused were mentioned.

Refused were mentioned.

As were Husker Du and the Dead Kennedys. :D

As were Husker Du and the Dead Kennedys. :D

He classifies Minor Threat and Black Flag as punk, so I doubt he considers those hardcore.

He classifies Minor Threat and Black Flag as punk, so I doubt he considers those hardcore.

Eh, probably.

Wait, Black Flag's not Punk? Now I'm confused.

Refused were mentioned.

As were Orchid, Shai Hulud and Minor Threat, all of which are nicely within hardcore. ;)

He classifies Minor Threat and Black Flag as punk, so I doubt he considers those hardcore.

Well, then he's nitpicking as both are quite obviously punk and hardcore.

Well, then he's nitpicking as both are quite obviously punk and hardcore.

Agreed. :)

minor threat-in my eyes

Bob-NoFX
Bob spent fifteen years, gettin loaded, fifteen years till his liver exploded now whats Bob gonna do, now that he cant drink?
Maybe its just me, but I tend to rate songs in genres I don't like by humour level.

wow i don't know half of the songs posted here, im soo gonna be copy/pasting everything! anyway i've never been good at hearing the difference between most of those styles so i'm probably about to say something really ignorant but im putting up Horrorpops with Where They Wander

Any fans of Shai Hulud?

Oh yeah, they did an amazing cover of 'F.V.K' by Bad Brains!

As for my selection...

Betray - Minor Threat
6-Pack - Black Flag
Coptic Times - Bad Brains
Killing yourself to live - Snapcase
Disengage - Youth of Today
Bulldog Front & Styrofoam - Fugazi

thats as far as i can narrow it down.

actually one more...how could i forget the Gorilla Biscuits!! Lets start today, what a track...and while i am on this i must put in Poison Idea..'Plastic Bomb'

I Choose (skrewdriver) - Race War.... And Im Spanish.

Christ i hope thats a joke, apart from the fact they are Nazi scum as a musical group they were APPALLING!!.

"Bullet", by The Misfits.

"God Save the Queen" -The Sex Pistols.

"Pig is a Pig" by the Plasmatics
"Kill the Poor" by the Dead Kennedys
"Fuck Armageddon...This Is Hell" by Bad Religion
"Suck My Left One" by Bikini Kill
"You've Gotta Die For the Government" by Anti-Flag

...for a few.

"Pig is a Pig" by the Plasmatics

Oh, wow. Corporate Avenger covered that song...I always thought it was an original of theirs.

Oh, wow. Corporate Avenger covered that song...I always thought it was an original of theirs.I suppose it could be. Here are the lyrics to the Plasmatics' version:

[Intro]
Now this is a song dedicated to a special kind of person
The kind of person who's hiding under rocks and in closets
Wherever you go
Hiding behind a guise of respectability
The cowardly journalist who hides behind his typewriter,
Exploiting people who can't fight back
The assassin, who strikes people by surprise
The sickie sadist who hides behind his police badge
To commit crimes of violence against other people
Wherever role they're playing, these creeps are always the same..
Because a pig is a pig, and that's that.

[Verse]
Your stinkin' lies are so lame,
your stupid ideas are the same,
A pig is a pig and that's that
You know who you are.
Your phony pose is so old,
you're just a product from the mold,
A pig is a pig and that's that
Stupid, mean, and ugly.
Down in the dirt where you go,
Lower than you you can't go,
A pig is a pig and that's that
Stupid, mean, and ugly
I can predict what you'll do
'Cause everyone else is like you,
A pig is a pig and that's that
Big brother's watching you.

[Chorus]
You can dress up in disguises
You can try to mesmerize 'em
You can surround yourself with friends
Who will tell you what you wanna hear,
But in the end, no matter what you do,
You will come shining through.

[Repeat verses, repeat chorus, repeat verses]

I suppose it could be. Here are the lyrics to the Plasmatics' version: -snip-

Hmm, no, it's not that.


Lie upon the lie.
And it all comes down to this
That a pig is a pig is a pig is a pig.
And they want to rule the world, but they can't have me...
Because I don't need this body.
I see the line traced back to my ancestors...
And I hold on tight to that line...
Which is before the fear induced religions that separated the world
And the one world government and the one world banking system;
Through the world bank that issued the monetary illusion of ownership
And dealt it to the masses which caused a separation from that knowledge
That knowledge and that connection to each other.

That's probably the worst song they ever did, though :p

I never really understood what they meant by "Pig is a pig" either.

That's probably the worst song they ever did, though :p

I never really understood what they meant by "Pig is a pig" either.I'm not familiar with Corporate Avenger, so I dunno, but I do recommend you get the Plasmatics song.

I'm going to add "Guns Of Brixton" [by The Clash] to the mix. I wonder just exactly how many times that bassline has been ripped off.

Still no mention of Bad Brains?

Still no mention of Bad Brains?

Yeah that's a pretty terrible band to leave off.

"Sailin' On" is an amazing song.

Still no mention of Bad Brains?

I mentioned them!!

I mentioned them!!
I beg your pardon. Missed that...