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Until this weekend I always thought that the band Marilyn Manson was some freak outfit with a really stupid, scary looking singer that was enjoyed by a small group of very strange people who probably smelled bad.

However, a friend lent me a Manson album called Lest We Forget, and I have to say, the music is actually really good. What do you think of Manson?

Some good songs, some not so good. Other than that, I have no opinion.

I was under the impression Marilin Manson was an artist, not a band, as in one oddly dressed man. Who allegedly fallates himself, after getting surgery to allow him to do just that.

I don't mind some of their songs. But I thought the singer's name was Marilyn Manson. That's not the band name is it?

the band is good the singer isn’t

Note: lest we forget is a collection of his best songs and is pretty much the only good songs the band have made

I don't mind some of their songs. But I thought the singer's name was Marilyn Manson. That's not the band name is it?

Actually, it is the band's name. Strange, ain't it?

Until this weekend I always thought that the band Marilyn Manson was some freak outfit with a really stupid, scary looking singer that was enjoyed by a small group of very strange people who probably smelled bad.

However, a friend lent me a Manson album called Lest We Forget, and I have to say, the music is actually really good. What do you think of Manson?
Musically, it is alright. Lyrically, it blows. I can listen to it if the other option is tolisten to my sister. Otherwise, I would not listen to MM.

BTW, Much Music did a show called Hot or Not. All they do is compare two celebs and say one is hot while the other is not. They commented on the fact that MM hasn't had a single for a while, but neglect to mention that the band has officially retired.

she's a major babe!

woot!

hehe

Actually, it is the band's name. Strange, ain't it?
Lots of bands are like that.

ie Avril Lavigne, Alice Cooper, etc.

I was confused by the singer's comment on Harry Potter. But I've heard he's quite smart.

Crap, without a doubt. Why would I bother with MM when I can listen to Beethoven and read Nietzsche instead and get something 1000X better?

Lots of bands are like that.

ie Avril Lavigne, Alice Cooper, etc.

Actually Avril Lavigne doesn't count. She's on a solo career.

Actually Avril Lavigne doesn't count. She's on a solo career.
Well, she used to be a band.

Well, she used to be a band.

Even when she had her band they still weren't called Avril Lavigne.

Even when she had her band they still weren't called Avril Lavigne.
Meh, not like I care much. She's pretty sucky.

EDIT: and not in the good way;).

Completely awful.

I'd rather spend my precious time listening to Miles Davis and Herbie Hancock.

Marilyn Manson is the man, not the band. His real name is Brian Hugh Warner, but he goes by Marilyn Manson when he is wearing all of the make-up and is dressed up as the character.

I don't like their music but I don't hate it. Dope Show was alright, and Brian is really a brilliant man when you see him in interviews but I'm not going to buy their music just because the lead singer is intelligent. Although, when I was younger his white out contacts, and fake breasts frightened me somewhat. I've grown up a little since then.

As a band: They're ok. Done some ok songs. Nothing I'd get overly excited about, but a listenable (in the main) band, provided they're not doing over-the-top screamy shrieky (a la Mudvayne).

As a person: Again, nothing special to report - from the various interviews I've seen with him, particularly that in Bowling For Columbine, he seems a pretty intelligent guy, and also a pretty nice guy too. Looks a bit odd though lol. And his girlfriend is hot.

I listened to Marilyn Manson alot in high school but have moved on from that. Musically, I find him/them pretty mediocre. But lyrically (specifically the albums Antichrist Superstar, Mechanical Animals, and Holy Wood) he is fantastic. Searching down the song meanings of Antichrist Superstar introduced me to Nietzsche which sparked in me a love of philosophy that I am presently pursuing with zeal in college.

I listened to Marilyn Manson alot in high school but have moved on from that. Musically, I find him/them pretty mediocre. But lyrically (specifically the albums Antichrist Superstar, Mechanical Animals, and Holy Wood) he is fantastic. Searching down the song meanings of Antichrist Superstar introduced me to Nietzsche which sparked in me a love of philosophy that I am presently pursuing with zeal in college.

That's pretty cool. I'm currently in high school right now, but I'm not a goth and I'm not crazy about Manson, but now I think that they aren't all that bad.

That's pretty cool. I'm currently in high school right now, but I'm not a goth and I'm not crazy about Manson, but now I think that they aren't all that bad.

I'll point out that I'm not a goth either (nor was I in high school).

Until this weekend I always thought that the band Marilyn Manson was some freak outfit with a really stupid, scary looking singer that was enjoyed by a small group of very strange people who probably smelled bad.

However, a friend lent me a Manson album called Lest We Forget, and I have to say, the music is actually really good. What do you think of Manson?

Marilyn Manson is something more important than 'good'. What the artist, and the band, stand for, is iconoclasm.

Manson is this generations' Bowie.

That doesn't make Marilyn bad. I'd certainly rather listen to a Manson album than a lot of the crap out there. The lyrics are often quite poetic (check "Golden Age of Grotesque" for an example of lyrical talent), and the music has usually been of reasonably high quality.

There seems to be some confusion here, about whether the band or the artist, is 'Marylin Manson'. The answer is, both.

In the original incarnation, only the singer was Marilyn Manson, and the rest of the band were "the Spooky Kids". Now the whole 'project' is loosely 'Marilyn Manson".

I think Manson's (scary) appearance scares people so much they don't listen to the music, which is (suprisingly) thoughtful.

I like the way Marilyn Manson dresses.

I don't dig that style of music, but I like his aesthetic. I think he has a lot of potential as an artist.

I read in a Newsweek International article about a Tate Gallery exhibition of 18th-19th century gothic art that Marilyn Manson is making a movie about Lewis Carroll, called "Phantasmagoria." Manson wrote it and it's supposed to start shooting this summer. Anyone know anything about that?

Piggy Piggy says Marylin is a Poser.

I don't mind his music. But he <3s Pheonix Wright: Ace Attorney, and that's always a + in my book. Doesn't move him above average though.

I'd expected Brian to have moved on to something else by now. IIRC, David Bowie'd kicked around his name a bit the last time he was trying to stir up some interest in developing 'Ziggy Stardust' as a film.

Doesn't Marilyn have something to do with Satanism in his music or something? (Im being serious)

Scary.

I actually don't mind the music. "Antichrist Superstar" is a pretty good album.

I don't really care one way or the other.

HOWEVER, I do not like that eye. At all. One could in fact say I hate it. From the bottom of my little heart. It scares the hell out of me.

I'm whimpy like that. :(

Doesn't Marilyn have something to do with Satanism in his music or something? (Im being serious)

Though many people believe Marilyn Manson is a satanist (he has an album named Antichrist Superstar after all) he is not. His music does not deal with satanism either.

I know of one Manson song I like: Personal Jesus. :p

i liked the antichrist superstar album pretty well, and i like they way manson managed to push peoples buttons when he first came out, other than that he's kinda derivative of nine inch nails, who are kinda derivative of ministry who are kinda derivative of the early 80s industrial bands ect...

I remember when members of my church handed out tracks to the Marilyn Manson fans

Actually Avril Lavigne doesn't count. She's on a solo career.

A one-person band called Avril Lavigne, perhaps?

Musically indistinguishable from any number of metal bands, but with lyrical content and a message he should probably be run over for. Plus he/she gives me the creeps whenever I see a photo of the geek.

Musically indistinguishable from any number of metal bands, but with lyrical content and a message he should probably be run over for. Plus he/she gives me the creeps whenever I see a photo of the geek.
that's how i feel about jesus

At first I was apathetic about him, but now I just don't care.

Marilyn Manson refers to both the band and the lead singer.

I used to love them, but not so much anymore. It's more interesting lyrically than much other stuff on MTV or modern rock radio since Kurt Cobain died, and it doesn't sound too bad, I just don't really dig kinda-watered-down metal anymore. The whole Mechanical Animals album (the one with Dope Show) is very good and different from his other stuff. Other than that, Holy Wood wasn't anything special because it just recycled his older material.

A lot of what Manson the person (as opposed to the band) is just for shock value, and it definitely sold records. It's kinda like "Anarchy in the UK" by the Pistols, they weren't real anarchists, they just wanted to piss people off.

Used to listen to a fair bit of his stuff when I was back in highschool... Antichrist Superstar was one of my favourite CD's. Him, and Type O Negative, Black Sabbath, and some other metal stuff was pretty good.
Haven't listened to much music lately, though... I tend to settle for the mediocre radio when I'm driving, and that's about it. I DO take my Antichrist Superstar on long road trips, though. Can't fall asleep on the road to that! ;)

1) The whole 'look' is just that, a 'look', don't take it seriously, he isn't the devil, he is a guy who dresses up as part of the whole "Marilyn Manson' experience, just like Alice Cooper, Rob Zombie etc. etc.

2) I like his music, along with Rammstein, but then again, I have a varied music selection ranging from Rachmaninoff to Billie Holiday, from Queen to Tchnaikovsky, and yes, even old Manson is in that collection as well.

3) There is no such thing as 'evil' or 'satanic' music; just stupid people who make stupid decisions in their life, and look for scape goats so they can avoid responsibility for the choices they've made.

You missed "Douchebag" as an option on your poll.
Also "of limited talent so rips off other, better, metal bands then uses 'shock' to annoy the parents which makes emos rush out and buy their crap because they think anything their parents hate must be really 'cool'".
Come to think of it, "Douchebag" pretty sums this up.
So "Douchebag" it is. A big vinegary one at that.

Until this weekend I always thought that the band Marilyn Manson was some freak outfit with a really stupid, scary looking singer that was enjoyed by a small group of very strange people who probably smelled bad.

However, a friend lent me a Manson album called Lest We Forget, and I have to say, the music is actually really good. What do you think of Manson?

if any of u saw the movie "bowling for columbine" michael moor interviewd marliyn manson and they both talked about the world 2day and manson was realy worried about the world 2day...

if any of u saw the movie "bowling for columbine" michael moor interviewd marliyn manson and they both talked about the world 2day and manson was realy worried about the world 2day...
I'll give you that about Marilyn.
His interview one of the best bits on that movie. He came across as very reasonable insightful person. Especially his reply to the question, 'What would you say to the people of Columbine?', which was, 'Nothing. I'd listen to what they've got to say. Nobody's done that yet'.
Brilliant reply.

I'll give you that about Marilyn.
His interview one of the best bits on that movie. He came across as very reasonable insightful person. Especially his reply to the question, 'What would you say to the people of Columbine?', which was, 'Nothing. I'd listen to what they've got to say. Nobody's done that yet'.
Brilliant reply.

Well, he is right - no one at Columbine new what the fuck their kids were doing; not even the parents of the kids who shot up the school; where the fuck is the parental involvement in their childrens lives? it seems we have a whole heap of parents pumping out kids and thinking that once they reach those teenage years.

Talk about a lack of personal responsibility in this day and age.

Scary.

Only if you're about 9 years old and really sheltered.

His band's music is pretty middling, run of the mill dark hard rock. Nothing really notable as far as I can see. Of course, by the time I actually heard an MM album, I was already into bands like Mayhem and Dark Funeral, whose music could actually be called scary, so when I heard MM, I was just like "well, what's all the fuss about?" I mean really, with all the fundies practically saying that it was the downfall of America, I was expecting something a little more extreme. I wouldn't put his music past "edgey."

So, unless there's some huge controversial, evil thing in MM music, that I'm just not understanding, the thing that scares people must be the image. And being scared of an image is just silly. Sure, maybe there are references to Satanism, I'm not sure, I don't usually pay much attention to lyrics unless I'm reading them, but on the satanic scale, they're not that much. Kinda like "Ho-hum, well, I don't like Jesus very much." Unlike bands such as Mayhem, Burzum, Marduk, etc., who not only have much more blatantly satanic and anti-christian lyrics, but have actually burned down churches and such.

Personally, I don't much like MM music. It's kinda bland to me. And very not-scary.

Only if you're about 9 years old and really sheltered.

His band's music is pretty middling, run of the mill dark hard rock. Nothing really notable as far as I can see. Of course, by the time I actually heard an MM album, I was already into bands like Mayhem and Dark Funeral, whose music could actually be called scary, so when I heard MM, I was just like "well, what's all the fuss about?" I mean really, with all the fundies practically saying that it was the downfall of America, I was expecting something a little more extreme. I wouldn't put his music past "edgey."

So, unless there's some huge controversial, evil thing in MM music, that I'm just not understanding, the thing that scares people must be the image. And being scared of an image is just silly. Sure, maybe there are references to Satanism, I'm not sure, I don't usually pay much attention to lyrics unless I'm reading them, but on the satanic scale, they're not that much. Kinda like "Ho-hum, well, I don't like Jesus very much." Unlike bands such as Mayhem, Burzum, Marduk, etc., who not only have much more blatantly satanic and anti-christian lyrics, but have actually burned down churches and such.

Personally, I don't much like MM music. It's kinda bland to me. And very not-scary.

The 'scary' thing is, that Manson encourages people to think along unconventional lines. He puts some people's fears in their faces, and is an iconoclastic figure for some to rally around.

Thus, for conservative, Christian America... he is everything he appears to be...

That may be true, but I'd say there are tons of bands/musicians/artists who are much more extreme than MM. A lot of them have better music, too.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758775/

That will be interesting.

I like Marylin Manson. He's the only band I've heard who did covers in a good way. He's scary enough to be outside the mainstream, but good enough to lsiten too :)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758775/

That will be interesting.

I like Marylin Manson. He's the only band I've heard who did covers in a good way. He's scary enough to be outside the mainstream, but good enough to lsiten too :)

MM is very mainstream. Also, scary=\=bad and not-scary=\=good

I think Type O Negative does covers way better than MM.

That may be true, but I'd say there are tons of bands/musicians/artists who are much more extreme than MM. A lot of them have better music, too.

Sure... there are bands that are much darker (the bands that actually ARE Satanists, for a start), or more extreme.

But, Marilyn is an iconoclast that SELLS records. It's all very well being a thorn in the side of the establishment, but that ONLY really matters if the establishment notices you. And, Marilyn's music is not that bad... certainly a lot more 'musical' and intelligent than a lot of the 'blood,death,blood' kind of crap that gets spewed out as an 'alternative'.

MM is very mainstream. Also, scary=\=bad and not-scary=\=good

I think Type O Negative does covers way better than MM.

Really? Which Type O covers do you like? About the only one I really have any time for, is their version of "Cinnamon Girl"...

Until this weekend I always thought that the band Marilyn Manson was some freak outfit with a really stupid, scary looking singer that was enjoyed by a small group of very strange people who probably smelled bad.

However, a friend lent me a Manson album called Lest We Forget, and I have to say, the music is actually really good. What do you think of Manson?
I'm not the biggest fan of his music, since it's just not really my style, but I find the man himself to be more interesting than most artists these days. Don't know if that's especially high praise, but there you have it.

I'm not the biggest fan of his music, since it's just not really my style, but I find the man himself to be more interesting than most artists these days. Don't know if that's especially high praise, but there you have it.

I know I'd rather have one Marilyn Manson, than a hundred of these Britney-clone things that are so 'popular'...

Crap novelty act fronted by a conceited wanker who only has a career because Trent Reznor got fed up of being called the most pathetic goth tosspot in music, and so set out to prove that he wasn't.

Some good songs, some not so good. Other than that, I have no opinion.
I second that.

Whats Marilyn Manson?

My whole school thinks hes the anti-christ. Then I told them what being the anti christ actually meant.




I mean, its obvious the anti-christ is a New Yorker by the name of George Stienbrenner.

Really? Which Type O covers do you like? About the only one I really have any time for, is their version of "Cinnamon Girl"...

"Black Sabbath," "Paranoid," live version of "Day Tripper," "Hey Joe" (retitled as "Hey Pete")

I don't care for his type of music, but his interview on Bowling For Columbine earned him my respect.

I don't care for his type of music, but his interview on Bowling For Columbine earned him my respect.
To be fair, everyone Moore interviewed on that who wasn't Charlton Heston came out of it looking pretty good, didn't they?

The Lockheed Martin guy didn't.

Until this weekend I always thought that the band Marilyn Manson was some freak outfit with a really stupid, scary looking singer that was enjoyed by a small group of very strange people who probably smelled bad.

However, a friend lent me a Manson album called Lest We Forget, and I have to say, the music is actually really good. What do you think of Manson?

Pretty good. Not my favourite kind of music, but I like it.

The Lockheed Martin guy didn't.
True, I was forgetting him.

True, I was forgetting him.

And don't forget about all of the idiot teenager who was interviewed who was expelled from high school for making napalm; of the psycho connected to Timothy Mcveigh who put a gun to his head off camera. For the Charlton Heston interview, I thought he came out of looking fine whereas Michael Moore looked like an asshole.
As far as Manson goes, I remember reading a bit of an interview where Manson said that Michael Moore was trying to make him look like an asshole

Until this weekend I always thought that the band Marilyn Manson was some freak outfit with a really stupid, scary looking singer that was enjoyed by a small group of very strange people who probably smelled bad.

However, a friend lent me a Manson album called Lest We Forget, and I have to say, the music is actually really good. What do you think of Manson?

I absolutely love Marilyn Manson...... You have to look for older stuff, like from "Smells like Children" and "Portrait of an American Family" they are so raw, so angry sounding. I actually liked their sound more then, when Twiggy was still on Bass, and they were at their rawest. As they have grown as a band, they have become more "everybody else" sounding, at least as much as Marilyn Manson will ever be.

not to mention the man is a genius... If you ever hear Marilyn (Brian Warner) interviewed, he is far far more inteligent, and actually has far more conservative beliefs, than anyone would ever imagine.

I was confused by the singer's comment on Harry Potter. But I've heard he's quite smart.

Absolute Genius... in fact, when you see someone very serious (Bill Maher back years ago when his show was worth watching) they always underestimate his intellect, and then he ends up making the interviewer look like a bigtime tool..

Crap, without a doubt. Why would I bother with MM when I can listen to Beethoven and read Nietzsche instead and get something 1000X better?

Funny you use that too as a reference, Manson makes several Nietzche references throughout his book, and I believe comments on Beethoven as well. The very thing you are attacking shares your common interests.... Doesn't make you feel so "Elite" any more does it..

Funny you use that too as a reference, Manson makes several Nietzche references throughout his book, and I believe comments on Beethoven as well. The very thing you are attacking shares your common interests.... Doesn't make you feel so "Elite" any more does it..

Reminds me of Herbie Hancock when he was interviewed; he went to Miles Davis; who Herbie Hancock saw as the epitomy of cool noticed that along with well known jazz artists, Miles Davis also had Jimmy Hendrix LPs along with various classical as well.

Its about appreciation of music and art, regardless of what the background is; too bad people limit themselves to certain genre's of music because of some pre-disposed elitism. Just because one listens solely to classical, doesn't make that particular person cultured or superior to others around them.

I think he (they) have good music ... I like the style of music

I did not REALLY care one way or another about the persona he put on.

I also think that they really were a good performing band ... in the time of grunge and low quality production shows (not that its a bad thing but the shows put on by grunge bands are not all that involved) he was bringing high quality concerts and good non grunge music

Grunge has its place but it became a fad and there was too much of it .... marilyn was different and had some kick ass music

Its about appreciation of music and art, regardless of what the background is; too bad people limit themselves to certain genre's of music because of some pre-disposed elitism. Just because one listens solely to classical, doesn't make that particular person cultured or superior to others around them.
I forget who said it, as I threw away the paper, but a quote I read once was this: "An intellectual snob is some one who can listen to the William Tell overture and not think of the Lone Ranger."

I'm a fan. I like most of their music.

I like Marilyn Manson (the band), but I do have to say that they aren't all that great anymore since Twiggy left. The lyrics on the last album were still good, but without Twiggy writing most of the music, the songs overall were somewhat flat.

I would say that Lest We Forget is an average representation of the band's music. (I don't have it, but I have all of the albums, except for the two recent '80s covers, which aren't very good.) I would recommend any of the band's first four albums to fans of Lest We Forget.

limited musically and can get a bit boring but overall good fun