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so what are you using/prefer?

It really doesn't matter. Linux can be run on both.

I use PC, linux, and solaris.

I tested out a Max OS X. Not bad but it's like freebsd.

Each OS has it quirks....

It really doesn't matter. Linux can be run on both.
But PC hardware is cheaper, so if you're going to run Linux you might as well do it on a PC unless you have a Mac lying around. And if you don't like compiling form source then x86 binaries are more common than PPC binaries.

But PC hardware is cheaper, so if you're going to run Linux you might as well do it on a PC unless you have a Mac lying around.

Apple has the quality on their sides, and prices have gotten more reasonable post-Intel switch. Not to mention that OS X is a preferable OS to dual boot to.

And if you don't like compiling form source then x86 binaries are more common than PPC binaries.

PPC is so last year. It's universal binaries now.

PPC is so last year. It's universal binaries now.

Nerd snob! :p

Apple has the quality on their sides, and prices have gotten more reasonable post-Intel switch. Not to mention that OS X is a preferable OS to dual boot to.
Dual boot?! A True Linux User would cleanse the computer of any proprietory bits. (Just kidding, I'm not really one of those crazy pseudo-religious Stallman-types.)

Nerd snob! :p

Thinking computers nerdy is so last decade.

Just used a Pow'book for a couple of months and I can say that the only reason why PC's are still there is that they are cheap. I do prefer Macs because using a Mac for today is still using an intelligent combination of performance and design. However, I'm still using a PC.:headbang:

Thinking computers nerdy is so last decade.

saying is so last decade is so last deacde

Dual boot?! A True Linux User would cleanse the computer of any proprietory bits. (Just kidding, I'm not really one of those crazy pseudo-religious Stallman-types.)

I use what does the job, and OS X isn't bad at all.

saying is so last deacde

I guess spelling is, too.

PC certainly. While mac does have its advantages, windows ad Linux are just craploads easier to work with. when windows has a problem, you can be sure that a reinstall will fix it (Of course, that may be overkill...) and when Linux has a problem, you can be sure the world is about to end and it won't matter for very long.

When a mac has a problem, you need a special technician to work on it, or a specially trained 'computer guy' who knows the system, computer guys who are familiar with windows and linux are much easier to find.

and besides, all the good games are only for windows anyway

PC. I have a severe dislike for Mac computers for some unknown reason. :mad:

PC certainly. While mac does have its advantages, windows ad Linux are just craploads easier to work with.

Linux runs on Macs, too, you know. And OS X is not at all like you describe it.

I guess spelling is, too.
srue is

PC. I have a severe dislike for Mac computers for some unknown reason. :mad:

At least you admit to the ignorance.

Thinking computers nerdy is so last decade.

That's true.

So what type of phone do you have and how many ring tones?

Also, how many mp3 songs do you have?

;)

When a mac has a problem, you need a special technician to work on it, or a specially trained 'computer guy' who knows the system, computer guys who are familiar with windows and linux are much easier to find.

and besides, all the good games are only for windows anyway

Yes for the first, but have you ever experienced a problem with a Mac? Well, me - no. And for me that does mean that OS X is one of the most stable ever made.

What about games, I didn't experience problems with those, too.

So what type of phone do you have and how many ring tones?

A SonyEricsson K750i. (http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pp1_loader&php=php1_10242&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10242) I use Perasma's "Swing 2 Harmony" (http://www.ministryofsound.com/mos/ministryofsound/Templates/AudioPlayer.aspx?media=\\recordbox\Media\Internet\Media+Repository\Audio\Perasma\Perasma_Swing2Harmo ny_Original_32k.wma&guid={54F13C46-4FC5-4E4F-89A4-1F5D0F2DF8CA}) as my "ring tone."

Also, how many mp3 songs do you have?

;)

An iPod full. :p

PC certainly. While mac does have its advantages, windows ad Linux are just craploads easier to work with. when windows has a problem, you can be sure that a reinstall will fix it (Of course, that may be overkill...) and when Linux has a problem, you can be sure the world is about to end and it won't matter for very long.

When a mac has a problem, you need a special technician to work on it, or a specially trained 'computer guy' who knows the system, computer guys who are familiar with windows and linux are much easier to find.

and besides, all the good games are only for windows anyway

Mac certainly. PC are way more likey to brake/crash and receive viruses. PCs are just cheaper.

Also,
http://homepage.univie.ac.at/horst.prillinger/evil-empire/

That guy in the mug shot in the corner is Bill Gates. Yes, he was arrested.

P.S. Notice that in the poll, nobody who has a MAC wants to switch to PC.

Mac all the way baby!

One big reason? My computer has never had a virus, ground to a halt because of spyware, nor any of the other horrible things that attack PC's from the outside world, and I only run a basic virus checker once in a while.

And that is just one reason.

Got sucked into the Mac thing when they first came out, had both PC and Mac and Mac's suuucccckKk!!
Every large business uses PC's, why? Because they're more reliable and they're easier to understand. To delete a letter in Mac u have to press shift/alt/delete/insert/backspace

Mac all the way baby!

One big reason? My computer has never had a virus, ground to a halt because of spyware, nor any of the other horrible things that attack PC's from the outside world, and I only run a basic virus checker once in a while.

And? Any competent PC user won't have virus/spyware problems either.

Mac certainly. PC are way more likey to brake/crash and receive viruses. PCs are just cheaper.

Also,
http://homepage.univie.ac.at/horst.prillinger/evil-empire/

That guy in the mug shot in the corner is Bill Gates. Yes, he was arrested.

P.S. Notice that in the poll, nobody who has a MAC wants to switch to PC.

Note that most Mac users aren't using them for games... Something the PC can do a hundred times better than a Mac (well, I exaggerate, but they're much better at it nonetheless).

I've used Macs and PC's, and I'll say this: I really like the way Macs look. They're sleek and modern, and OSX has the cleanest GUI I've ever seen. However, when it comes to what I do (sound mixing and games), PC's beat Macs outright. They're much faster, and for what I do, speed is all I need (well, speed, and a good sound card).

The thing I really like about PC's, though, is the ability to customise almost every aspect of them. Can't quite say that about Macs.

Note that most Mac users aren't using them for games... Something the PC can do a hundred times better than a Mac (well, I exaggerate, but they're much better at it nonetheless).

I've used Macs and PC's, and I'll say this: I really like the way Macs look. They're sleek and modern, and OSX has the cleanest GUI I've ever seen. However, when it comes to what I do (sound mixing and games), PC's beat Macs outright. They're much faster, and for what I do, speed is all I need (well, speed, and a good sound card).

The thing I really like about PC's, though, is the ability to customise almost every aspect of them. Can't quite say that about Macs.

Well, the new Macs are faster than the PCs, and alot of the new good games are for Mac + PC. I do sound mixing just fine on my Mac, and I never need to worry about viruses.

Well, the new Macs are faster than the PCs, and alot of the new good games are for Mac + PC. I do sound mixing just fine on my Mac, and I never need to worry about viruses.

Benchmarks say otherwise about the speed... I'm not talking about pure processor performance. I mean 3DMark03 and the like. PC's are still much better for gaming.

I've heard that Macs are good for studio stuff, but I quite like having my Audigy2 ZS.

I don't worry about viruses, either.

For gaming, windows. For day to day shit, Linux. For my graphics design class, Mac. Of course, if Vista ends up tanking as hard as many think it might, Gaming may switch to linux if OpenGL takes off.

I'm just going to lay it down like it is.

I own a PC, and pretty much everyone else does. However, I use a Mac at school and that thing is FAR SUPERIOR to PCs. It never crashes, it's quiet, it never freezes, it just never causes problems ever! It's ultra stable to the extreme.

Unfortunatly no one uses the Mac, so no one knows just how good they are.

The fact that we are all using PCs is like a Communist takeover: They are cheap, poorly made, effective enough to get the job done, but no one knows how bad they have it.

Macs are better. If you disagree with me then you are wrong and have never used a Mac before or you're just stupid.

so what are you using/prefer?

I prefer the essence or ideal of *nix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*nix). Especially the decentralized nature: 1) make small programs that do one thing very well, 2) make it easy for these programs to work together. Beautiful. Before I started using Linux, I've always heard people complain about how *nix is too complex or difficult to use. I don't understand that at all.

I'd go with Mac OS X, if it wasn't for the fact that Apple is simply rotten with vendor lock-in (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock-in) and excessively overpriced glitz. I want a computer, not a fancy logo. If Apple would put the customer in charge, and sell copies of Mac OS X that will run on whatever Intel-based hardware I want, I would be an instant convert.

I've use PCs, but once I finish the mods on my computer case (Lian Li PC-70, going W/C & 120mm fans), I'd like to pick up a Mini. I figure it probably wouldn't take up more than 2 5 1/4" drive bays in my PC-70. That way, I'd have the best of both worlds. :D

The new Macs aren't much more than Intel PCs inside Mac cases and a different OS (with some extra bits on the motherboard).

The fact that we are all using PCs is like a Communist takeover: They are cheap, poorly made, effective enough to get the job done, but no one knows how bad they have it.

Just what kind of shitty boxes are you using? A REAL PC is quite expensive ($3,000+), they're flashy (lights, windows, power fans, oh my!), and they're extremely effective and reliable.

Gather the facts before you open your mouth, lest you look like a retard.

PC are way more likey to brake/crash and receive viruses.


Windows is way more likely to sucumb to viruses. This occurs because Windows is broken down junk security-wise and, most importantly, because the vast majority of computer owners and users are frighteningly ignorant when it comes to security issues. In fact, elimination of this ignorance would probably solve most security problems with regard to Windows.

I dual boot Windows and Linux. My home network has a hardware router/firewall. My Windows installation has a software firewall, provided by my ISP and setup to stop all internet traffic unless I say otherwise, running automatically with every boot. I regularly run a virus and spyware scan. The virus and spyware scanners also run constantly in the background, scanning any files or programs I use before they can cause trouble. I update Windows whenever a security or other fix is available. I've never had a problem with either viruses or spyware in Windows.

At any rate, now that Mac OS X is set to run on Intel-based hardware, expect its apparent invulnerability to viruses and other problems to disappear very quickly.

Just what kind of shitty boxes are you using? A REAL PC is quite expensive ($3,000+), they're flashy (lights, windows, power fans, oh my!), and they're extremely effective and reliable.

Gather the facts before you open your mouth, lest you look like a retard.

The number of cool mods for PCs you can find these days!
The old days with beige computing is over.

Apple makes better quality hardware than most PC vendors. It's also better integrated with the OS. OSX is more stable than Win XP, and much more secure out of the box.

OTOH, PC are generally cheaper than Macs, and usually faster (don't know about the new MacTels). Windows has a wider variety of software, and some Windows software is better than the Mac version (Quicken for Mac sucks in one end and blows out the other).

Mac all the way baby!

One big reason? My computer has never had a virus, ground to a halt because of spyware, nor any of the other horrible things that attack PC's from the outside world, ...


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10495946&postcount=34

Yes, I would take all of the same measures if I was running a Mac.


...and I only run a basic virus checker once in a while.


Those who create viruses and spyware greatly appreciate such complacency. It's only a matter of time... :)

Apple makes better quality hardware than most PC vendors. It's also better integrated with the OS. OSX is more stable than Win XP, and much more secure out of the box.

OTOH, PC are generally cheaper than Macs, and usually faster (don't know about the new MacTels). Windows has a wider variety of software, and some Windows software is better than the Mac version (Quicken for Mac sucks in one end and blows out the other).

The new MacIntels use dual core notebook processors (Intel Duos). Yes they are fast, but they can also run Windows XP too.

Apple makes better quality hardware than most PC vendors. It's also better integrated with the OS. OSX is more stable than Win XP, and much more secure out of the box.

Correct, but you're talking about PC manufacturers. The hardware you can buy from various companies is better than anything Apple makes, period.

Correct, but you're talking about PC manufacturers. The hardware you can buy from various companies is better than anything Apple makes, period.

Is that true for consumer PCs, or just high-end corporate PCs?

PC. It runs the things I want it to run, and I know how to keep it safe from hax and viruses, so it really doesn't have any downsides. Yes, it is connected to the internet, and I haven't had a virus since I got broadband two years ago.

Is that true for consumer PCs, or just high-end corporate PCs?

Eh? With the various parts available, you usually build your own PC. "Consumer" PC's tend to be mass-produced profit machines, not really intended for serious use. Corporate PC's are much the same.

Eh? With the various parts available, you usually build your own PC. "Consumer" PC's tend to be mass-produced profit machines, not really intended for serious use. Corporate PC's are much the same.Yeah, it's much, much better to build your own, even with a small budget.

Yeah, it's much, much better to build your own, even with a small budget.

Oh, definitely. Two identical computers, one with proprietary parts and one with custom parts, will perform much differently. Of course, as you know, the custom machine will be faster and far more stable.

Proprietary parts are considerably nasty, really. They're made to be slow so you'll buy the company's "upgrades", which are still slow.

Eh? With the various parts available, you usually build your own PC. "Consumer" PC's tend to be mass-produced profit machines, not really intended for serious use. Corporate PC's are much the same.

99% of people don't build their own PCs. And corporations DO use corporate PCs for "serious" use. So do some home users, though XP Home has shortcoming for serious work.

Is that true for consumer PCs, or just high-end corporate PCs?

There's many types of PCs
(1) Consumer - The type Compaq and Dell sell. They use the "cheap" parts to save money.
(2) Custom - PC made to spec from parts from everywhere. The type usually demanded by Gamers who have a bad habit to changing parts on their PC very often
(3) Better grade consumer - Consumer PC using higher grade parts (more expensive). Sold by reputable PC builders who also allow you to customise it a little.
(4) Corporate consumer - Consumer PCs designed for the workplace without the little mods gamers like. Designed for networking and communications mainly. Better than ordinary consumer PCs.

Oh, I have "custom" PC but own a corporate grade laptop.

99% of people don't build their own PCs. And corporations DO use corporate PCs for "serious" use. So do some home users, though XP Home has shortcoming for serious work.

When I say "serious" use, I mean truly intensive program usage. Sound mixing, disc burning, and games.

And that's why it's XP Home. It's just fine if you don't intend to do business stuff. :p

A REAL PC is quite expensive ($3,000+), they're flashy (lights, windows, power fans, oh my!), ...

I've never understood this. I suppose if one is really into games or multimedia, the expense hardware is justifiable. But the purely aesthetic things, like lights and windows and fancy plastic whatever junk, have always seemed to me like a waste of money and time. I don't really care if people know how much money I can spend, so my box just sits under the desk collecting dust. :D

I've never understood this. I suppose if one is really into games or multimedia, the expense hardware is justifiable. But the purely aesthetic things, like lights and windows and fancy plastic whatever junk, have always seemed to me like a waste of money and time. I don't really care if people know how much money I can spend, so my box just sits under the desk collecting dust. :D

It's just an image thing. If you have a stock standard beige PC, no one looks at it. Get that extra "junk", and it's suddenly a different PC.

My first few PCs were "beige", but my custom one is best so far. I also like seeing inside my PC now, easy to spot problems when they happen. Had a rattling fan on the motherboard, and spotted problem as you could see it spinning erratically.

If you have a stock standard beige PC, no one looks at it.

I guess I just don't see why this is a problem.

I guess I just don't see why this is a problem.

I'm not your "corporate sheep" type I guess :D

I'm not your "corporate sheep" type I guess :D

Being compelled to spend more and more of one's money, out of fear of not having a "cool" enough box or not meeting other's standards, is to not be a sheep? I think I missed something. :)

Amiga!!!

Is that 'so last decade'?

Being compelled to spend more and more of one's money, out of fear of not having a "cool" enough box or not meeting other's standards, is to not be a sheep? I think I missed something. :)

Rather be a black sheep than a white one!

If you look a workplace for a big corporation, whether use Macs or PCs - all the PCs look exactly the same (apart from the yellow stickie pads with passwords on them and kid's photos).

Mac users tend to be are the more creative type while most Windows PCs are boring office work PCs. Gamer PCs are never the same - there's always something weird about them.

Amiga!!!

Is that 'so last decade'?

I think Atari own Amiga now.

If you look a workplace for a big corporation, whether use Macs or PCs - all the PCs look exactly the same (apart from the yellow stickie pads with passwords on them and kid's photos).


Since the physical appearance of the box has basically nothing to do with its actual usefullness or ability to complete a given task, job, or purpose...so what?


Mac users tend to be are the more creative type while most Windows PCs are boring office work PCs.


According to the marketing department at Apple, anyway. Talk about "corporate sheep..." :)

Since the physical appearance of the box has basically nothing to do with its actual usefullness or ability to complete a given task, job, or purpose...so what?

It's like cars for me. Looks are important too.

According to the marketing department at Apple, anyway. Talk about "corporate sheep..." :)

It's the only market Apple have left ;)

Apple has the quality on their sides, and prices have gotten more reasonable post-Intel switch. Not to mention that OS X is a preferable OS to dual boot to.
Pure Genious!

And it only took Linux nerds a few days to get past Apple's device that prevented people from installing Linux. Which is a stupid thing in the first place. Apple should have tried to make it easier to dual boot on a Mac. It would help draw in the nerd and server crowd (OSX is a terrible OS to make into a server).

An iPod full. :p
OMG, someone on this forum besides me mentioned an iPod and did mot call it an overhyped piece of shit.

Those who create viruses and spyware greatly appreciate such complacency. It's only a matter of time... :)
I don't even run anti-virus on a day to day basis. I install it on the first of the month and do a scan then uninstall it (a got a version of Norton that will let you uninstall it).

Anyways, I use Windows XP. I would be using Linux, but cannot find one that likes my hardware. I would love to have Ubuntu, but even their brand new alpha release does not recognize my Radeon X1800XL. Other distros are unable to get my wireless card going without a internet connection (Fucking Morons).

The fact that we are all using PCs is like a Communist takeover: They are cheap, poorly made, effective enough to get the job done, but no one knows how bad they have it. -Dissonant Cognition


New Stalinberg said that (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10495904&postcount=29), not me.

New Stalinberg said that (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10495904&postcount=29), not me.
HMMM, thanks for the correction. Dunno how that happened though.:confused:

Amiga!!!

Is that 'so last decade'?

Most definitely. I remember having an Amiga though. Used to play Lemmings on it all the time *evil grin*

Did you know Sydney's rail system used to use Amigas as the base of their announcement system? The last remaining station using it was upgraded a few years ago I believe.

I believe they use Windows 2000 now...

When I say "serious" use, I mean truly intensive program usage. Sound mixing, disc burning, and games.

And that's why it's XP Home. It's just fine if you don't intend to do business stuff. :p

I have both Mac and PC, imho, I find that sound mixing and audio production is much better for a Mac to do.

I have both Mac and PC, imho, I find that sound mixing and audio production is much better for a Mac to do.

In the end, it all depends on the software/hardware combo.

I only like apple for their stock.

The correct term should be "Mac" not MAC.

You are SO not considering the fact that now Mac can run on Intel chips, meaing the OS can now be run from a Windows PC. Problems pop up now, but eventually they'll be crossed out. Thing is the Mac OS is excellent, it's just hella expensive for the hardware. If they get the OS to be installed regularly on a standard x86 mahine, all hell's gonna break loose... and hell yes I'd go for the Mac then. But Windows for now isn't bad.

PS: I'd go with Linux, but its distros just need to get a huge improvement in handling popular software. It's great what they have now, but it's a turn off that there are so many different distros containing all the features you'd like, but never one as a whole.