*tip-toes across courtyard*
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:01
*breathes*
*awaits cries of "NAZI!"*
Seriously, you guys need a fucking chill pill and a viagra. I try to make discussion with a interesting theory, and you bite my fucking head off. Bloody fascists.
Mariehamn
24-02-2006, 15:02
You like it. ;)
Seriously, you guys need a fucking chill pill and a viagra. I try to make discussion with a interesting theory, and you bite my fucking head off. Bloody fascists.
No, you'll see that people who think homosexuality is a disease and who think eugenics are a swell idea are the fascists.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:05
No, you'll see that people who think homosexuality is a disease and who think eugenics are a swell idea are the fascists.
What's wrong with eugenics? Filtering out the crap before the child is born.
*breathes*
*awaits cries of "NAZI!"*
Seriously, you guys need a fucking chill pill and a viagra. I try to make discussion with a interesting theory, and you bite my fucking head off. Bloody fascists.
You remind me of an ex-roommate of mine. He would steal from me and our other roommate, would break our stuff, would insult us behind our backs, and would generally make an ass of himself. He knew he was being rude, but whenever somebody called him on it he would say, "Man, chill out. You guys get so upset over nothing. Get over it!"
You posted a completely unoriginal and pathetic theory, and posters on this forum shot you down. They were actually a great deal gentler than you really deserved. Stop whimpering about how mean everybody is for pointing out your failure. Instead of blaming everybody else, try to learn something and do better the next time around.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:08
You remind me of an ex-roommate of mine. He would steal from me and our other roommate, would break our stuff, would insult us behind our backs, and would generally make an ass of himself. He knew he was being rude, but whenever somebody called him on it he would say, "Man, chill out. You guys get so upset over nothing. Get over it!"
You posted a completely unoriginal and pathetic theory, and posters on this forum shot you down. They were actually a great deal gentler than you really deserved. Stop whimpering about how mean everybody is for pointing out your failure. Instead of blaming everybody else, try to learn something and do better the next time around.
No, it's a bulletproof theory. Medical anomaly, can be fixed. End of story.
Fleckenstein
24-02-2006, 15:10
What's wrong with eugenics? Filtering out the crap before the child is born.
oooh, that's going to start a fire!
it's okay if you do it correctly
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:11
I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
Cabra West
24-02-2006, 15:11
*breathes*
*awaits cries of "NAZI!"*
Seriously, you guys need a fucking chill pill and a viagra. I try to make discussion with a interesting theory, and you bite my fucking head off. Bloody fascists.
Calling the endorsement of eugenics and the medical treatment of perfectly healthy human beings just so they fit into outdated social norms and "interesting theory" and obviously even expecting gratitude for sharing this never-before-uttered-by-any-fascist-in-history thought... no, I think the chill pill needs to go elsewhere. And I can't help feeling that you wouldn't have any use for viagra anyway.
Fleckenstein
24-02-2006, 15:13
*high pitched voice*
i'm emo
i listen to hawthorne hights
i cut myself
i wear all black
no one loves me
i'm emo
No, it's a bulletproof theory. Medical anomaly, can be fixed. End of story.
Um, yeah, a "bullet-proof theory" that was disproven by science about 20 years ago.
Zero Six Three
24-02-2006, 15:14
I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
No.. you've been disqualified from the human race. Did no one tell you?
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:15
Um, yeah, a "bullet-proof theory" that was disproven by science about 20 years ago.
Science didn't disprove shit. If something's not normal, it's an anomaly. Anomalies are fixable.
Calling the endorsement of eugenics and the medical treatment of perfectly healthy human beings just so they fit into outdated social norms and "interesting theory" and obviously even expecting gratitude for sharing this never-before-uttered-by-any-fascist-in-history thought... no, I think the chill pill needs to go elsewhere. And I can't help feeling that you wouldn't have any use for viagra anyway.
Yeah, I love how this guy wants us all to shake his hand for regurgitating all the same idiocy that we've been hearing from 'phobes and white supremacists for years and years. Gosh, nobody around here has EVER proposed eugenics as a "solution" for homosexuality! How could we have been so cruel as to jump all over this poor, brilliant stranger for sharing his glorious vision with us?!
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:16
I'm revising my New Year's resolution to "Laugh when people die. They probably deserved it."
*breathes*
*awaits cries of "NAZI!"*
Seriously, you guys need a fucking chill pill and a viagra. I try to make discussion with a interesting theory, and you bite my fucking head off. Bloody fascists....and a viagra?
Medical anomaly, can be fixed. End of story.
Actually, if you knew antyhing about medicine, and which you don't seem to, you'd know that medicine considers homosexuality completely non-pathological and thus in no need of "curing" or "fixing." So, before you make any sort of medical claims, next time try not to have them be so ridiculously flawed.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:18
You know what, maybe you're right. Humanity is hopeless. They couldn't fix me. They can't fix anything. They gave me this curse.
Cabra West
24-02-2006, 15:18
Science didn't disprove shit. If something's not normal, it's an anomaly. Anomalies are fixable.
Which begs the question what defines "normal". In evolutionary terms, it's definitely not the majority, as evolution will invariably create a large variety of very different individuals in one species....
Narrow it down too much and you have a very clear recipe for extinction.
You know what, maybe you're right. Humanity is hopeless. They couldn't fix me. They can't fix anything. They gave me this curse.
Ooh, check it! He's not just a racist, homophobic fascist, he's a MANIC, racist, homophobic fascist!
What a prize. Get in line, ladies!
You know what, maybe you're right. Humanity is hopeless. They couldn't fix me. They can't fix anything. They gave me this curse.
Only you can rid yourself of ignorance. You just have to want to.
Fleckenstein
24-02-2006, 15:19
I'm revising my New Year's resolution to "Laugh when people die. They probably deserved it."
that's the kind of attitude that get's you into the exclusive club know as:
emo assholes
Peechland
24-02-2006, 15:20
You know what, maybe you're right. Humanity is hopeless. They couldn't fix me. They can't fix anything. They gave me this curse.
You mean Malignant Homophobia? I'm afraid they wont be coming out with a cure for that either...
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:21
Only you can rid yourself of ignorance. You just have to want to.
I can rid myself of ignorance, but not Asperger's. This most horrid curse. If I was less of a coward, I'd kill myself. I wouldn't wish this on Hitler.
Penetrobe
24-02-2006, 15:24
I'm revising my New Year's resolution to "Laugh when people die. They probably deserved it."
Plan on laughing at yourself anytime soon?
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 15:24
You know what, maybe you're right. Humanity is hopeless. They couldn't fix me. They can't fix anything. They gave me this curse.
"Humanity is hopeless" ? Where the fuck are you looking?
It seems more like you're really unhappy with yourself and like the negative attention. Is your vision clouded by some sort of self pity? Is there something wrong with you? Do you know what it is?
Fix it.
Dont start blaming other things that you dont agree with.
Life is fine. There are a million checks and balances that even things out. Take advantage of the good stuff and stop worrying about other people's behaviour that doesnt affect you. Worry about how your's affects them.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:27
"Humanity is hopeless" ? Where the fuck are you looking?
It seems more like you're really unhappy with yourself and like the negative attention. Is your vision clouded by some sort of self pity? Is there something wrong with you? Do you know what it is?
Fix it.
Dont start blaming other things that you dont agree with.
Life is fine. There are a million checks and balances that even things out. Take advantage of the good stuff and stop worrying about other people's behaviour that doesnt affect you. Worry about how your's affects them.
No, I'm pretty much fucked. I have Asperger's. Jesus couldn't fix me.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
24-02-2006, 15:29
I can rid myself of ignorance, but not Asperger's. This most horrid curse. If I was less of a coward, I'd kill myself. I wouldn't wish this on Hitler.
You know, call me crazy, but you might just feel a tiny bit better about yourself if at least you didn't come barging in here every day riling everybody with your mindbogglingly obsessive xeno- and homophobic threads.
I can't imagine being yelled down anew every day to be exactly uplifting.
Cabra West
24-02-2006, 15:30
No, I'm pretty much fucked. I have Asperger's. Jesus couldn't fix me.
Ok, first the rant, now the self-pity... what exactly do you want from us? If you want a cuddle and some sympathy, just ask for it. :fluffle:
Whereyouthinkyougoing
24-02-2006, 15:30
No, I'm pretty much fucked. I have Asperger's. Jesus couldn't fix me.
Honey, you're fucking yourself.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:31
I want a new brain, and new blood. This is dirt, what I have here. Scum, worse than that of Hitler, Stalin and Bin Laden combined.
No, I'm pretty much fucked. I have Asperger's. Jesus couldn't fix me.Who diagnosed you?
No, I'm pretty much fucked. I have Asperger's. Jesus couldn't fix me.
What the hell are you doing? Are you trying to excuse your ignorant spewing of illogical, immature 'theories' with an ailment of yours?
Poor other Asperger's people.
IL Ruffino
24-02-2006, 15:34
Bloody fascist pricks I tell you
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:36
Who diagnosed you?
Nobody. It runs in the family. My cousin was diagnosed, and her Aspergian mannerisms are almost identical to mine, but she's worse. She's lucky though, she doesn't think about the world.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 15:37
No, I'm pretty much fucked. I have Asperger's. Jesus couldn't fix me.
I dont like to admit too many personal things in here for a variety of reasons, but, my oldest son has Asperger's Syndrome and we deal with it. Sometimes its hard.
Right now, he is flourishing in academics in 7th grade. He is the school spelling bee champion-he goes to the tri state competition in March and if he wins there, he goes to the National Scripps Howard in Washington in June.
He plays the piano. He doesnt have a need to socialize, but everyone likes him. There are often issues, but we deal with them.
I dont know what you truly feel about Jesus, but you can fix you. My son's neurologist speculated that I have it too after reviewing many parallels between my son currently and my own childhood. I adapted and overcame when there was no name and no assistance for this syndrome-people thought when you couldnt cope, you were just being an asshole.
I'm better for it now.
And damn you for whining about it and compelling me to expose that aspect of my life. I still cant beleive I am about to press "Submit Reply".
Take advantage of this and make it work for you. You have rights now I didnt have as far as classification and special assistance. not that they would have made a difference to me as I am the most stubborn, densest material on the planet. With Aspergers soemtimes comes a higher intellect. Unfortunately, that can contribute to depression.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:38
What the hell are you doing? Are you trying to excuse your ignorant spewing of illogical, immature 'theories' with an ailment of yours?
Poor other Asperger's people.
Welcome to the real world, where not everybody is happy and gay. Some of us are seriously fucked in the head, all because of mankind's inability to fix us.
At 2:01 *breathes*
*awaits cries of "NAZI!"*
Seriously, you guys need a fucking chill pill and a viagra. I try to make discussion with a interesting theory, and you bite my fucking head off. Bloody fascists.
At 2:11 I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
At 2:18
You know what, maybe you're right. Humanity is hopeless. They couldn't fix me. They can't fix anything. They gave me this curse.
I'm beginning to think you're not having a great day. Across multiple threads, even...
Welcome to the real world, where not everybody is happy and gay. Some of us are seriously fucked in the head, all because of mankind's inability to fix us.
Since when is it humanity's job to fix you? Christ, get over yourself. You've clearly got enough to eat, a roof over your head, and even a computer to play with. You're better off than half the human population of the world. Quit yer bitchin.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:42
I dont like to admit too many personal things in here for a variety of reasons, but, my oldest son has Asperger's Syndrome and we deal with it. Sometimes its hard.
Right now, he is flourishing in academics in 7th grade. He is the school spelling bee champion-he goes to the tri state competition in March and if he wins there, he goes to the National Scripps Howard in Washington in June.
He plays the piano. He doesnt have a need to socialize, but everyone likes him. There are often issues, but we deal with them.
I dont know what you truly feel about Jesus, but you can fix you. My son's neurologist speculated that I have it too after reviewing many parallels between my son currently and my own childhood. I adapted and overcame when there was no name and no assistance for this syndrome-people thought when you couldnt cope, you were just being an asshole.
I'm better for it now.
And damn you for whining about it and compelling me to expose that aspect of my life. I still cant beleive I am about to press "Submit Reply".
Take advantage of this and make it work for you. You have rights now I didnt have as far as classification and special assistance. not that they would have made a difference to me as I am the most stubborn, densest material on the planet. With Aspergers soemtimes comes a higher intellect. Unfortunately, that can contribute to depression.
Good for you and your son. I'd say you got lucky in life. I didn't. I was always thought to be weird, and nobody in my family ever tried to accomodate my condition. I hate people for a reason. Because they're all jerks.
Dude, we have people on this board who have been sexually abused, molested, and raped. We have people on this board who are physically handicapped, are deaf, or partially blind. We have people on this board who have fought with drugs and alcohol addictions. We have people on this board who have had cancer. We have people on this board who are vets and have seen intense combat. And we have people on this board who harbor more and darker secrets than that, I'm sure.
And you know what... none of us cut any of them any slack either when it comes to posting.
Welcome to NationStates General, be prepared to have your opinion ripped.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:43
At 2:01
At 2:11
At 2:18
I'm beginning to think you're not having a great day. Across multiple threads, even...
I think I'm bipolar.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:43
Since when is it humanity's job to fix you? Christ, get over yourself. You've clearly got enough to eat, a roof over your head, and even a computer to play with. You're better off than half the human population of the world. Quit yer bitchin.
Half the human population doesn't feel like they're going insane.
People without names
24-02-2006, 15:44
Calling the endorsement of eugenics and the medical treatment of perfectly healthy human beings just so they fit into outdated social norms and "interesting theory" and obviously even expecting gratitude for sharing this never-before-uttered-by-any-fascist-in-history thought... no, I think the chill pill needs to go elsewhere. And I can't help feeling that you wouldn't have any use for viagra anyway.
who says they are outdated, is it because you dont agree with them?
QuentinTarantino
24-02-2006, 15:45
People who are going insane don't realise they're going insane. So you should be ok
Half the human population doesn't feel like they're going insane.
And 99.9% of the NS population doesn't care if you feel like you're going insane.
Welcome to the real world, where not everybody is happy and gay. Some of us are seriously fucked in the head, all because of mankind's inability to fix us.
Read Carnivorous' post, okay?
And I still fail to make a connection between your wretched ideology and your ailment.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:47
People who are going insane don't realise they're going insane. So you should be ok
I think I'm losing my grip on myself.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 15:47
I want a new brain, and new blood. This is dirt, what I have here. Scum, worse than that of Hitler, Stalin and Bin Laden combined.
The worst you can do is feel sorry for yourself. It absolutely doesnt help, it will always make things worse.
You need a new outlook. Your blood is fine and you just have to learn how to get around the differences in your brain. If you learn how to cope with it, rather than wallow in self pity, you could find you're a genius.
My son has a photographic memory. Any idea what a gift that is?
he discusses things with us now- details of events that occurred before he could speak (and he spoke very early) in great detail.
He has no interest in sports whatsoever. He has terrible coordination-He is clearly not aware of what his body is capable of. He also is content to spend his time on solo activities-he has no desire to participate on any team type activities. He socializes very well with the adults in his life, but lacks when it comes to appropriate socialization with his peers.
open your eyes up wide- if you think you have it, there are doctors and counseling that will both validate you and guide you to help you overcome what trips you now and help you achieve. Dont rely on your relative's diagnosis.
Thats pure stupidity and doesnt fall under the "why me" umbrella of Asperger's .
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:48
Read Carnivorous' post, okay?
And I still fail to make a connection between your wretched ideology and your ailment.
Look it up.
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 15:49
I dont like to admit too many personal things in here for a variety of reasons, but, my oldest son has Asperger's Syndrome and we deal with it. Sometimes its hard.
Right now, he is flourishing in academics in 7th grade. He is the school spelling bee champion-he goes to the tri state competition in March and if he wins there, he goes to the National Scripps Howard in Washington in June.
He plays the piano. He doesnt have a need to socialize, but everyone likes him. There are often issues, but we deal with them.
I dont know what you truly feel about Jesus, but you can fix you. My son's neurologist speculated that I have it too after reviewing many parallels between my son currently and my own childhood. I adapted and overcame when there was no name and no assistance for this syndrome-people thought when you couldnt cope, you were just being an asshole.
I'm better for it now.
And damn you for whining about it and compelling me to expose that aspect of my life. I still cant beleive I am about to press "Submit Reply".
Take advantage of this and make it work for you. You have rights now I didnt have as far as classification and special assistance. not that they would have made a difference to me as I am the most stubborn, densest material on the planet. With Aspergers soemtimes comes a higher intellect. Unfortunately, that can contribute to depression.
While we are sharing...
As a child, my parents were told I was a 'voluntary autistic'... this was about 30 years ago, so that was about the extent of the 'professional' involvement.
Looking back over my history, when I first compared it to Asperger's Syndrome, it seems VERY likely that that is what my 'condition' might be/have been.
I agree with "you can fix you". All the obstacles of social behaviour, and obsessive-compulsive tendencies, etc... I 'fixed' myself, by deciding to do so.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:51
The worst you can do is feel sorry for yourself. It absolutely doesnt help, it will always make things worse.
You need a new outlook. Your blood is fine and you just have to learn how to get around the differences in your brain. If you learn how to cope with it, rather than wallow in self pity, you could find you're a genius.
My son has a photographic memory. Any idea what a gift that is?
he discusses things with us now- details of events that occurred before he could speak (and he spoke very early) in great detail.
He has no interest in sports whatsoever. He has terrible coordination-He is clearly not aware of what his body is capable of. He also is content to spend his time on solo activities-he has no desire to participate on any team type activities. He socializes very well with the adults in his life, but lacks when it comes to appropriate socialization with his peers.
open your eyes up wide- if you think you have it, there are doctors and counseling that will both validate you and guide you to help you overcome what trips you now and help you achieve. Dont rely on your relative's diagnosis.
Thats pure stupidity and doesnt fall under the "why me" umbrella of Asperger's .
Yeah, but like I said, you got lucky. I HAVE nothing to get a new outlook from. Asperger's is meant to be a gift and a curse, I got all the curse and no gift.
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 15:52
Welcome to the real world, where not everybody is happy and gay. Some of us are seriously fucked in the head, all because of mankind's inability to fix us.
Just as a counterpoint... to be honest, I tend to think of situations like AS, as being evidence of human evolution, rather than a 'disease'...
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:54
Just as a counterpoint... to be honest, I tend to think of situations like AS, as being evidence of human evolution, rather than a 'disease'...
If Asperger's is evolution, we're turning into idiots.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 15:55
And 99.9% of the NS population doesn't care if you feel like you're going insane.
I care and thats the only reason I gave up that detail of my life-something I normally keep to myself.
I hate to see someone within grasp of sailing on an even keel choose to instead gulp down water and drown themselves in self pity.
Its only a curse if you let it. Maybe thats easier for some. If you persevere and overcome-you'll look back -like I am- and see it as an obstacle you didnt let hold you back.
I feel like I'm fairly successful now. Of course I could do better and I'm always trying to better myself/my family. When we were first with the specialist and were learning more detail about this syndrome, it occurred to my wife and she said "Oh my God-thats you". She now appreciates me a little more. And I feel better about how far I've come and what I've done on the way.
I did adapted and overcame out of spite. I never had a minute of counseling or a milligram of medication. The OP can get support and assistance. Its now a well known and identified syndrome-there is no terrible stigma.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 15:57
I did adapted and overcame out of spite. I never had a minute of counseling or a milligram of medication. The OP can get support and assistance. Its now a well known and identified syndrome-there is no terrible stigma.
Not in Australia. My cousin took years to get diagnosed. I'm not going through that.
I need America.
I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
Don't worry, I'm sure humanity hates you back. *sigh*
I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
Dude, you just started a thread on why homosexuality is wrong because it does not allow for human reproduction. Are you bipolar?
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 16:00
If Asperger's is evolution, we're turning into idiots.
Not at all. AS has no correlation with lower intelligence, and, while there may be issues with early vocabulary usage, for example, such issues are nominal and short-lived... AND they can be overcome, with a little effort.
Like the 'gaze avoidance' thing in AS... it is actually something you can 'set your mind to' and overcome.
On the other hand, many people who start out with conditions like AS, 'function' slightly differently later in life... many are gifted artists, many discover aptitudes for languages, many find easy facility with sciences.
So - 'idiots' is not really an accurate description, although it IS a term that has historically been used for this KIND of condition... what they called the 'idiot-savant'.
Look it up.
I did.
Yet I somehow couldn't find any reference to Asperger's causing homophobia, support of eugenics, and delusion about evolutional facts. Would you like to suggest another source for me?
Look, I'm neither denying nor ignoring or belittleling your condition, but I refuse to take it as an excuse for any of the abovementioned.
Rambhutan
24-02-2006, 16:00
"Light blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance..."
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 16:02
Not in Australia. My cousin took years to get diagnosed. I'm not going through that.
I need America.
I never got 'diagnosed'... and I didn't live in America.
You are making excuses, my friend.
A situation like AS can be used, you can beat it. But it is ALL about you. Which is funny, because egocentrism is part-and-parcel in AS.... it's like the cure is built-in to the curse.
Callisdrun
24-02-2006, 16:03
Look, man. Just because we didn't like your bogus hypothesis doesn't mean everybody hates you or you're a hopeless excuse for a human or some shit like that. Well, at least not all of us.
QuentinTarantino
24-02-2006, 16:03
I love humanity
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 16:04
While we are sharing...
As a child, my parents were told I was a 'voluntary autistic'... this was about 30 years ago, so that was about the extent of the 'professional' involvement.
Looking back over my history, when I first compared it to Asperger's Syndrome, it seems VERY likely that that is what my 'condition' might be/have been.
I agree with "you can fix you". All the obstacles of social behaviour, and obsessive-compulsive tendencies, etc... I 'fixed' myself, by deciding to do so.
Thats incredible-the similarity between what you're saying and what I've remembered-its so true.
And do you feel that overcoming it on your own made you better? Thats how I feel. I will say-when I was younger,it was tough to always be confused. I am only realizing that its very likely I have it with the experiences with my son for the past 10 or so years.
I somehow overcame the social aspects-how I dont know. maybe more than one personality helps there. High School was a good time for me and I wound up being the prom king-just an example.
I feel, right now, that the OP has some advantages we didnt-I hope he gives it thought, utilizes the internet to learn more about it, and gets some assistance and support. The future could be very bright for him and I hope he realizes this soon.
Though I can appreciate the despair he clearly feels now.
some one is just desperate for attention thats all, last 4 threads ive posted on were made by this guy
Callisdrun
24-02-2006, 16:06
You don't hate humanity. You're just taking people disagreeing with you on NS General too seriously.
You can't please everyone. And nobody's right all the time.
Willamena
24-02-2006, 16:08
I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
No offense, but that's the stupidest reason ever. You hate them because they're different? Give me a break.
Peechland
24-02-2006, 16:09
Ugh....... now I feel bad for my earlier post of "I cant decide if you are a troll or simply in need of medication."
sorry:(
The White Hats
24-02-2006, 16:10
I never got 'diagnosed'... and I didn't live in America.
You are making excuses, my friend.
A situation like AS can be used, you can beat it. But it is ALL about you. Which is funny, because egocentrism is part-and-parcel in AS.... it's like the cure is built-in to the curse.
Agreed. I'm a quantitative analyst. Without even trying, I could name at least a dozen colleagues with AS or degrees of Autism; and half a dozen more in my family. All with good jobs, most with partners and active social lives, and most undiagnosed.
The OP is embracing victimhood, and that just becomes self-fulfilling. Life is something to deal with.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 16:13
I'm crying now. Watching Shaman King isn't helping. Great, I have fucking depression.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 16:15
Not at all. AS has no correlation with lower intelligence, and, while there may be issues with early vocabulary usage, for example, such issues are nominal and short-lived... AND they can be overcome, with a little effort.
Like the 'gaze avoidance' thing in AS... it is actually something you can 'set your mind to' and overcome.
On the other hand, many people who start out with conditions like AS, 'function' slightly differently later in life... many are gifted artists, many discover aptitudes for languages, many find easy facility with sciences.
So - 'idiots' is not really an accurate description, although it IS a term that has historically been used for this KIND of condition... what they called the 'idiot-savant'.
My wife could give you better specifics that I can, but my son started reading and speaking long before his peers-At the risk of making a mistake, I wont speculate here, but it was much much earlier than average. I also cant recall his score on the IQ testing conducted at Cornell university hospital in NYC, but it was fairly high. He is exceptionally bright. We just have a dozen or so little idiosyncrasies to deal with.
He is very artistic-he spends an inordinate amount of his free time writing stories and filming movies-he is very creative.
I think when he gets out of school, he will be a success.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
24-02-2006, 16:16
Ugh....... now I feel bad for my earlier post of "I cant decide if you are a troll or simply in need of medication."
sorry:(
Well, don't be.
It's not like he is spouting all that crap he always does because he "needs medication". It's not like blatant racism and homphobia are symptoms of Aspergers.
Nobody is beating up on him for having Aspergers (except himself, that is). But if he decides to make a habit out of posting badly thought-out inflammatory threads, he has to deal with the reaction he gets. Not that I don't think that's exactly why he does it, in a rather twisted, self-hating logic.
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 16:17
Thats incredible-the similarity between what you're saying and what I've remembered-its so true.
And do you feel that overcoming it on your own made you better? Thats how I feel. I will say-when I was younger,it was tough to always be confused. I am only realizing that its very likely I have it with the experiences with my son for the past 10 or so years.
I somehow overcame the social aspects-how I dont know. maybe more than one personality helps there. High School was a good time for me and I wound up being the prom king-just an example.
I feel, right now, that the OP has some advantages we didnt-I hope he gives it thought, utilizes the internet to learn more about it, and gets some assistance and support. The future could be very bright for him and I hope he realizes this soon.
Though I can appreciate the despair he clearly feels now.
I had actually noticed other similarities between we two, by the way (like attitudes towards sex, and gaining pleasure from the partner's pleasure, just for example)... that now seem to 'make sense' with a certain 'shared' history.
I agree. Getting 'over it' on my own, made me much stronger. Fighting a form of OCD, and beating it (mostly) has made me a much stronger person in many ways, and has made me much more SURE of my ability to overcome.
I wasn't so lucky at school... I had aptitude, and I loved the school work... but I got in fights all the time 'for being weird'... but, again, that made me stronger. Of course... I would have changed it if I could... and I think the school system DID fail me on that front.
But, in my late teens, I DID overcome those social issues. And, I did it by strength of will. Like I said, this 'curse' carries it's 'cure' within it.
Do I appreciate how the other poster feels? Sure... but he/she has to be told, this situation CAN be made a positive thing... and the ONLY way for that to happen, is to do what I (indeed, what WE) did... and 'take it on'.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 16:18
My wife could give you better specifics that I can, but my son started reading and speaking long before his peers-At the risk of making a mistake, I wont speculate here, but it was much much earlier than average. I also cant recall his score on the IQ testing conducted at Cornell university hospital in NYC, but it was fairly high. He is exceptionally bright. We just have a dozen or so little idiosyncrasies to deal with.
He is very artistic-he spends an inordinate amount of his free time writing stories and filming movies-he is very creative.
I think when he gets out of school, he will be a success.
Your son almost sounds like me. I write stories. I'm not very good at traditional writing, but I can write in script form. Plays, almost.
Silliopolous
24-02-2006, 16:18
I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
Hey! That's exactly why I hate cute little fluffy kittens! Because I'm not one of them either!
Oh yeah - and pie. Same thing.
The good news?
Someday you'll grow up.
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 16:19
Agreed. I'm a quantitative analyst. Without even trying, I could name at least a dozen colleagues with AS or degrees of Autism; and half a dozen more in my family. All with good jobs, most with partners and active social lives, and most undiagnosed.
The OP is embracing victimhood, and that just becomes self-fulfilling. Life is something to deal with.
Exactly.
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 16:22
I'm crying now. Watching Shaman King isn't helping. Great, I have fucking depression.
I know it sounds trite... but you have to, and you can, get over it.
Listen... you are (maybe for the first time, I don't know), actually being given the 'other-end' of your story... if you listen to the words of those who have BEEN there.
It really is all down to you, on this one. If you will yourself to succeed, you will. If you let this be a downwards spiral, it will.
Make up your mind to fight it. Make up your mind to USE it, and to cut out the bits you don't like.
All this 'blaming everyone else' mentality... is actually doing YOU more damage than help.
Sdaeriji
24-02-2006, 16:26
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Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 16:27
My wife could give you better specifics that I can, but my son started reading and speaking long before his peers-At the risk of making a mistake, I wont speculate here, but it was much much earlier than average. I also cant recall his score on the IQ testing conducted at Cornell university hospital in NYC, but it was fairly high. He is exceptionally bright. We just have a dozen or so little idiosyncrasies to deal with.
He is very artistic-he spends an inordinate amount of his free time writing stories and filming movies-he is very creative.
I think when he gets out of school, he will be a success.
I started reading early... I even taught myself, pretty much. I started speaking later (I was 3 before I said more than 'mum' and 'dad'), but when I did start talking, I started talking in full sentences.
I can totally relate to the writing thing. I started early, and wrote a lot. Now... I still write, and I think some of it is really quite good.... Peech has seen some, you could get a less biased opinion from her, perhaps.
The point I'm trying to make is, the OP has to see that other people have been in the same boat, and made something good out of it.
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 16:28
Well, don't be.
It's not like he is spouting all that crap he always does because he "needs medication". It's not like blatant racism and homphobia are symptoms of Aspergers.
Exactly. AS is an 'excuse'... not the 'cause'.
I disagree. I'd really, really rather have the world go on after that particular pissing contest...and that's what it was.
Keruvalia
24-02-2006, 16:32
I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
Got an issue? Here's a tissue.
Suck it up, kid. You are quite human. You express too much hatred to be anything but.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 16:35
I had actually noticed other similarities between we two, by the way (like attitudes towards sex, and gaining pleasure from the partner's pleasure, just for example)... that now seem to 'make sense' with a certain 'shared' history.
I agree. Getting 'over it' on my own, made me much stronger. Fighting a form of OCD, and beating it (mostly) has made me a much stronger person in many ways, and has made me much more SURE of my ability to overcome.
I wasn't so lucky at school... I had aptitude, and I loved the school work... but I got in fights all the time 'for being weird'... but, again, that made me stronger. Of course... I would have changed it if I could... and I think the school system DID fail me on that front.
But, in my late teens, I DID overcome those social issues. And, I did it by strength of will. Like I said, this 'curse' carries it's 'cure' within it.
Do I appreciate how the other poster feels? Sure... but he/she has to be told, this situation CAN be made a positive thing... and the ONLY way for that to happen, is to do what I (indeed, what WE) did... and 'take it on'.
Well-Thanks. I will say that sharing some of our experience makes me feel better. I was luckier in a lot of social issues- If there was anything "weird" about me, for some reason, other embraced it. I was very popular in school, though I didnt seek it. Another example- I started wearing a shirt and tie to school in 10th grade. Withing a few weeks, a majority of the other guys were wearing a shirt and tie, even in the higher grades. I cant explain it and the principal used to just shake his head and grin at me, asking me he hoped I always set positive trends in his school and not negatve ones.
As for any OCD-I think as soon as I was aware of it, I stopped. Maybe minor stuff- washing my hands too often or counting everything. I cant recall any OCD behavior that inhibited me or drew undue attention. If there was, it was minor. Or maybe it contibuted to my larger than life personae. Friends still tell "legends" about me. Their kids beg for stories about me. I never sought this.
I hope the OP gets a grasp that this can be turned around to contibute toward what can certainly be considered a "unique" personality and identity.
And leave him feeling good about himself.
Peechland
24-02-2006, 16:42
I started reading early... I even taught myself, pretty much. I started speaking later (I was 3 before I said more than 'mum' and 'dad'), but when I did start talking, I started talking in full sentences.
I can totally relate to the writing thing. I started early, and wrote a lot. Now... I still write, and I think some of it is really quite good.... Peech has seen some, you could get a less biased opinion from her, perhaps.
The point I'm trying to make is, the OP has to see that other people have been in the same boat, and made something good out of it.
I can attest to that. GNI is extremely talented and has written some of the most beautiful and thought provoking poetry/stories you could ever find. I tell him he should be published, because seriously, he is that good. You can also see through his debate and posts that he always displays a great deal of self control.I dont know enough about Aspergers to make intelligent comments about it, but from what I've read from you, CL and GNI, it seems to be a menacing disorder. To speak to GNI, you'd never know he EVER had any social, behavioral or communication problems. It might be wise to take his advice, as well as CL's. Dont admit defeat just yet.
Dogburg II
24-02-2006, 16:48
I don't think I'm part of it.
You're a mutant super-alien from another galaxy? You were raised by bears? Explain how you are not part of humanity.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 16:49
Your son almost sounds like me. I write stories. I'm not very good at traditional writing, but I can write in script form. Plays, almost.
Thats amazing- My son does write a lot in script form. When we saw how interested he was in making movies with the cheap family video camera, we bought hi ma really good digital mvie camera. He writes scripts then somehow compells cousins and friends to act in the movie. I get cardboard and make props.
His expectations are much higher than whats possible now, but he doesnt give up. We try to keep up. We filmed one of his stories in a weekend with cousins sleeping over so we could shoot it in two days- we filmed at the beach and at a train station-all over town. His friends from school took part-that was the most meaningful to me-he doesnt discuss friends much, so when I saw that these kids actually like him and were interested/participating, I felt great. he acts in the movie and directs at the same time. When we were doen, we had a "wrap" party with all involved at a restaurant- He was absolutely beaming.
It sounds like you have the same creative streak. You may have musical talents as well.
Dont let the depression get you down. As soon as you become aware of it, try to get involved in a project. try to get others interested too.
I always tell my wife- my son COULD be the next steven speilberg-you never know. The fire is there. We do what we can to support his interests. Even if he doesnt, its a worthwhile hobby that keeps him feeling good about who he is.
thats what you need to realize. Keep writing, keep creating.
You like NS, so start threads about what you LIKE, NOT what you dislike. You'' find that you are valid, that other people DO share your interests and you're ok.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 16:51
I feel a little better now. Still fucked up, though.
I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
That is your reason? What a crummy reason. Humanity spends centuries going out of its way to desecrate existence and all it gets is a whiny "They're ignoring me"?
You're entirely at liberty to hate humanity, but to do it out of self-important exclusivism is just proving how much of a part of it you are.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 16:58
It sounds like you have the same creative streak. You may have musical talents as well.
A bit. I've written a few minor "pieces" for my epics... I'm a lot more musically-oriented than most of my family.
The White Hats
24-02-2006, 16:59
I feel a little better now. Still fucked up, though.
Being fucked up is part of the normal human condition. It's why we invented loud music.
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 16:59
Well-Thanks. I will say that sharing some of our experience makes me feel better. I was luckier in a lot of social issues- If there was anything "weird" about me, for some reason, other embraced it. I was very popular in school, though I didnt seek it. Another example- I started wearing a shirt and tie to school in 10th grade. Withing a few weeks, a majority of the other guys were wearing a shirt and tie, even in the higher grades. I cant explain it and the principal used to just shake his head and grin at me, asking me he hoped I always set positive trends in his school and not negatve ones.
As for any OCD-I think as soon as I was aware of it, I stopped. Maybe minor stuff- washing my hands too often or counting everything. I cant recall any OCD behavior that inhibited me or drew undue attention. If there was, it was minor. Or maybe it contibuted to my larger than life personae. Friends still tell "legends" about me. Their kids beg for stories about me. I never sought this.
I hope the OP gets a grasp that this can be turned around to contibute toward what can certainly be considered a "unique" personality and identity.
And leave him feeling good about himself.
It's funny... even though I was in fights every day, I also set the fashion-trends (as you did)... even down, as silly as it seems, to all the 'cool kids' at my college hooking their thumbs behind their belt-buckles like I did.
I also have a history of little 'urban legends' in my wake (as you say, not because that was what I was looking for).
So many parallels... it's funny. I consider myself to have been 'gifted', overall, rather than cursed. I'm special. (You're special) And our poster listens to you (to us), because you are right.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 16:59
Another thing I'll admit-While I claim to be antisocial-I cant help but want to help other people. Its almost a contradiction and may fall more under having different personalities. So- while I work from home mostly and make efforts to avoid parties, reunions (talk about pissed off people when I didnt go to my high school reunion), etc... I still go out of my way to help people that I know need it.
I dont know how old the OP is, but I'm 38. I think in spite of things, I've done fairly well. I have a healthy thriving family that likes me and like I've said before-I think all my problems could be solved with money, so they arent so bad.
KP-good luck. Seek assistance. There is a ton of info on the internet. Understand it better and make it work for you.
An I'll also add I'm sorry if I was harsh at anytime. I'm not always as tolerant as I'd like to be, especially when I feel like I'm giving up something big. this was big for me, but I hope it shined some light on your situation.
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 17:01
I can attest to that. GNI is extremely talented and has written some of the most beautiful and thought provoking poetry/stories you could ever find. I tell him he should be published, because seriously, he is that good. You can also see through his debate and posts that he always displays a great deal of self control.I dont know enough about Aspergers to make intelligent comments about it, but from what I've read from you, CL and GNI, it seems to be a menacing disorder. To speak to GNI, you'd never know he EVER had any social, behavioral or communication problems. It might be wise to take his advice, as well as CL's. Dont admit defeat just yet.
My thanks. On many levels.
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
24-02-2006, 17:03
"*tip-toes across courtyard*"
Tip-toe???
*Streaks through the thread*
The Nazis are coming, the Nazis are coming.
The tentacles are coming too and I just ordered a Pizza
It's WWII all over again :eek:
*Streaks on out*
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 17:04
Another thing I'll admit-While I claim to be antisocial-I cant help but want to help other people. Its almost a contradiction and may fall more under having different personalities. So- while I work from home mostly and make efforts to avoid parties, reunions (talk about pissed off people when I didnt go to my high school reunion), etc... I still go out of my way to help people that I know need it.
I dont know how old the OP is, but I'm 38. I think in spite of things, I've done fairly well. I have a healthy thriving family that likes me and like I've said before-I think all my problems could be solved with money, so they arent so bad.
KP-good luck. Seek assistance. There is a ton of info on the internet. Understand it better and make it work for you.
An I'll also add I'm sorry if I was harsh at anytime. I'm not always as tolerant as I'd like to be, especially when I feel like I'm giving up something big. this was big for me, but I hope it shined some light on your situation.
(Agree on the antisocial/social dochotomy).
Well, I don't know how the OP received it, but I for one, am glad you shared My thanks, friend.
I hope the OP has seen something worthwhile... something to think about.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 17:13
I feel better. Still need to work on this though. And I'm selling my script to EA >_>
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 17:13
It's funny... even though I was in fights every day, I also set the fashion-trends (as you did)... even down, as silly as it seems, to all the 'cool kids' at my college hooking their thumbs behind their belt-buckles like I did.
I also have a history of little 'urban legends' in my wake (as you say, not because that was what I was looking for).
So many parallels... it's funny. I consider myself to have been 'gifted', overall, rather than cursed. I'm special. (You're special) And our poster listens to you (to us), because you are right.
again-I'm glad for your sharing of similar experiences. Are we about the same age ? I'm 38 now.
You may recall, it probably seemed bad at the time, but in retrospect, not so bad.
I think Kievan Prussia is in the middle of the feeling bad time. But I'm interested in showing him someone with the advantage of hindsight and experience.
And yeah,Sin- maybe it has become a therapy session. I hope you arent mocking.
I personally hope to help someone a little and fuck the thread subject if we are off track.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 17:18
(Agree on the antisocial/social dochotomy).
Well, I don't know how the OP received it, but I for one, am glad you shared My thanks, friend.
I hope the OP has seen something worthwhile... something to think about.
I'll thank you too, my friend.
Kievan-Prussia
24-02-2006, 17:19
I just wish Asperger's and High-Functioning Autism were better known. Most people just assume we're weird, and often, stubborn and insolent.
Hey, did any of you every feel disrespect for people like teachers, because you felt that authority needs to be earned?
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 17:21
again-I'm glad for your sharing of similar experiences. Are we about the same age ? I'm 38 now.
You may recall, it probably seemed bad at the time, but in retrospect, not so bad.
I think Kievan Prussia is in the middle of the feeling bad time. But I'm interested in showing him someone with the advantage of hindsight and experience.
And yeah,Sin- maybe it has become a therapy session. I hope you arent mocking.
I personally hope to help someone a little and fuck the thread subject if we are off track.
You are a few years my senior, but only half a decade. We are 'of a time', at least. :)
I recall some of it WAS hard.... I mean REALLY hard. (Imagine being clinically obsessive/compulsive at the age of about...10, and realising that you can voluntarily control your breathing....) but, in retrospect, it was just 'shit that happened', and now the world is my chosen mollusc.
As a wise philosopher once wrote.... "I'm doing alright... getting good grades. The future's so bright..."
Grave_n_idle
24-02-2006, 17:22
I just wish Asperger's and High-Functioning Autism were better known. Most people just assume we're weird, and often, stubborn and insolent.
Hey, did any of you every feel disrespect for people like teachers, because you felt that authority needs to be earned?
I think everyone feels like that, at times... once they learn enough to know that humans are ALL fallible.
And yeah,Sin- maybe it has become a therapy session. I hope you arent mocking.
I personally hope to help someone a little and fuck the thread subject if we are off track.
Not mocking...just realising that my comments, dealing with the first few pages of the thread, were no longer relevant.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 17:48
Not mocking...just realising that my comments, dealing with the first few pages of the thread, were no longer relevant.
Thanks. I'm sorry I often anticipate incorrectly that you'll be negative.
I'm glad I reserved my venom. Instead,you'll be subjected to near viscious mouthing, if you're interested, that is.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 17:51
I just wish Asperger's and High-Functioning Autism were better known. Most people just assume we're weird, and often, stubborn and insolent.
Hey, did any of you every feel disrespect for people like teachers, because you felt that authority needs to be earned?
I still feel that way, buddy.
Your'e not alone and you're going to do well. Possibly very well.
You're young and bright and both are so valuable. You have to work for the rest, but that will make it worth it.
Thanks. I'm sorry I often anticipate incorrectly that you'll be negative. You're not the only one. Sheesh...do I really come off as that much of an asshole? Ah well...I knew you'd reserve most of your judgment until I answered.
I'm glad I reserved my venom. Instead,you'll be subjected to near viscious mouthing, if you're interested, that is.
Always. And damn you for getting me thinking about it at work!*blushes*
Tactical Grace
24-02-2006, 20:29
A Nietzschean superman, LOL? :p
I can sense the teenage angst from across the globe. :rolleyes:
DrunkenDove
24-02-2006, 20:32
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/9413235-M.jpg
Carnivorous Lickers
24-02-2006, 20:32
You're not the only one. Sheesh...do I really come off as that much of an asshole? Ah well...I knew you'd reserve most of your judgment until I answered.
Always. And damn you for getting me thinking about it at work!*blushes*
I would never refer to you as an asshole, my sweetness. Maybe an over opinionated, anti male, US bashing, raindancing loudmouth, but never an asshole. :p
I'm kidding-you know I love you.
Its my goal to keep you liberally moistened.
Omg you're so cool!
Please if you want to destroy humanity at least do it in a smug quiet sort of way like those anime villians. Or be absolutely batshit insane.
I hate people, just because I view it necessary to mentally prepare myself to rid of anyone who doesn't strengthen me. That's just my evil cynic talking :D
Greater Merchantville
24-02-2006, 20:40
I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
I pretty much dispise humanity as well. And while I recognize that the reality is that I'm human, I do take comfort in the knowledge that I am very different than the "norm". Frankly, normal people suck. They're boring.
I'd much rather be odd, set apart and even a bit alienated for my differences. It makes me unique and keeps my contact with the "normal" people to a minimum.
Sdaeriji
24-02-2006, 20:41
I pretty much dispise humanity as well. And while I recognize that the reality is that I'm human, I do take comfort in the knowledge that I am very different than the "norm". Frankly, normal people suck. They're boring.
I'd much rather be odd, set apart and even a bit alienated for my differences. It makes me unique and keeps my contact with the "normal" people to a minimum.
Yep, you're unique. Just like everyone else.
I pretty much dispise humanity as well. And while I recognize that the reality is that I'm human, I do take comfort in the knowledge that I am very different than the "norm". Frankly, normal people suck. They're boring.
I'd much rather be odd, set apart and even a bit alienated for my differences. It makes me unique and keeps my contact with the "normal" people to a minimum.
Ironically enough most normal people are those trying to be different. Oh I'm amused now.
Personally I really don't care if I'm different. What is being unique supposed to automatically grant me some sort of coolarity? Bah just give me power and I'm happy.
The blessed Chris
24-02-2006, 20:48
that's the kind of attitude that get's you into the exclusive club know as:
emo assholes
It would be called overplaying it, twice in, two posts actually..... incidentally, what would you listen to?
http://www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Section=Helpline1&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=4858
We all have challenges to overcome in life. Some have more then others, but that doesn't make them any less human. You just have to play with the cards you've been delt and be thankful you have them. I have a cousin with severe Autism. When I think about the fact that I might never be able to have a conversation with him, that he may never read a book or be able to dress himself, I often get very sad and feel guilty about all the things I do without thinking that he will never get to experience. However, plain pitydoesn't help anyone. The only thing we as a society can do is learn to give people who are different the respect and dignity they diserve as much as every other human being. sorry, that sounded corny, but I do have very strong feelings on this subject.
No whining, please. If you hate humanity so much, why do you use a computer, use the Internet speak English, or even play Nationstates all of which were made by humans with human values, beliefs and ideals?
It seems rather hypocritical to whine about how "terrible" humanity is when you're enjoying the fruits of humankind whenever you use the computer or the internet...
Katganistan
24-02-2006, 21:18
I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
You could talk to a counselor, given that you seem to have difficulty in identifying with any groups (as per your previous thread regarding your countrymen and how you feel you don't belong in Australia.)
Or you could leave the rest of us to enjoy each other's company while you remain isolated from the rest of the species from some little island paradise you move to to get away from it all.
Europa alpha
24-02-2006, 21:23
I wish that too.
And goddamn Emo's are hot so stop making fun of em ;)
I wish the war had started cos theres a slim chance G.W.Bush might never have been born.
I wish the war had started cos theres a slim chance G.W.Bush might never have been born.
No, the nukes probably would have hit blue states; Bush would've survived and would currently be Emperor of America or something similar. :(
Adriatica II
24-02-2006, 21:36
Science didn't disprove shit. If something's not normal, it's an anomaly. Anomalies are fixable.
Define "normal"
Sdaeriji
24-02-2006, 21:46
No, the nukes probably would have hit blue states; Bush would've survived and would currently be Emperor of America or something similar. :(
Wasn't he at Yale back then?
Can I just say that I think merging these two threads was a bad idea? A lot of things said seem inappropriate at the points in the conversation they've been pasted, though they were entirely reasonable responses to the original topic.
Can I just say that I think merging these two threads was a bad idea? A lot of things said seem inappropriate at the points in the conversation they've been pasted, though they were entirely reasonable responses to the original topic.
Agreed to that.
Sdaeriji
24-02-2006, 22:16
Can I just say that I think merging these two threads was a bad idea? A lot of things said seem inappropriate at the points in the conversation they've been pasted, though they were entirely reasonable responses to the original topic.
Yeah. Now I look like a much bigger jerk than I intended to look like.
Define "normal"
nor·mal Pronunciation (nôrml)
adj.
1. Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical: normal room temperature; one's normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.
2. Biology Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies.
3. Abbr. n or N Chemistry
a. Designating a solution having one gram equivalent weight of solute per liter of solution.
b. Designating an aliphatic hydrocarbon having a straight and unbranched chain of carbon atoms.
4. Mathematics
a. Being at right angles; perpendicular.
b. Perpendicular to the direction of a tangent line to a curve or a tangent plane to a surface.
5.
a. Relating to or characterized by average intelligence or development.
b. Free from mental illness; sane.
noun.
1. Something normal; the standard: scored close to the normal.
2. The usual or expected state, form, amount, or degree.
3.
a. Correspondence to a norm.
b. An average.
4. Mathematics A perpendicular, especially a perpendicular to a line tangent to a plane curve or to a plane tangent to a space curve
Also oddly:
Nor·mal Pronunciation (nôrml)
A town of central Illinois north-northeast of Bloomington. It is the seat of Illinois State University (founded 1857). Population: 47,000.
Jello Biafra
24-02-2006, 22:27
I can see the correlation between the Original Poster's Asperger's Syndrome and his advocacy of Eugenics (A.K.A. Genetic mutilation). This doesn't mean that I agree with his sentiments, or that he's correct for having them, but I can see why...he feels as though his AS should've been removed through eugenics.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
24-02-2006, 23:49
I can see the correlation between the Original Poster's Asperger's Syndrome and his advocacy of Eugenics (A.K.A. Genetic mutilation). This doesn't mean that I agree with his sentiments, or that he's correct for having them, but I can see why...he feels as though his AS should've been removed through eugenics.
I.e. he himself should have been "removed"?
Jig A Bootia
25-02-2006, 01:26
I want a new brain, and new blood. This is dirt, what I have here. Scum, worse than that of Hitler, Stalin and Bin Laden combined.
I want a new penis since I wore my old one out.
Sarkhaan
25-02-2006, 02:28
listen, people aren't attacking you because you have aspergers. they attacked you because you propose eugenics and the like which have been disregarded (well, they haven't really, but we like to think they have been) for good reason.
If you actually have aspergers, then don't use it as an excuse. No mental disorder is an excuse. It is an explination. Your ideas about homosexuality and what have you are your ideas. These were not created by your aspergers. I've worked with aspergers, been friends with them, and even acted with a severe autist. I know the condition pretty well. I also know that while most hated the condition, they accepted it and didn't use it as a cop-out. They knew something was different, got a proper diagnosis, and got the help they needed. For some, it was meds that helped, for others, it was control. For still others, it was learning to compensate. As stupid as it sounds, I would sit at one of their houses every saturday and "practice" conversations. We would sit and talk, with me not allowing him to stop and think for long periods of time unless it was expected. It helped him be able to deal with other people he was less comfortable with. Acting helped one of them to read facial cues. Martial arts helped one with the clumsyness and be able to read body cues. There are things you can do.
for everyone here, I'll include the diagnosis criteria for aspergers. Please remember, only a certified psychologist can diagnose you properly and they will help to find the best treatment for your condition.
Diagnostic criteria for 299.80 Asperger's Disorder
a. Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
(1) marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction
(2)failure to develop peer relationships apropriate to developmental level
(3)a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
(4) lack of social or emotional reciprocity
b. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following
(1) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in ntensity or focus
(2) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
(3) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
(4) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects
c. the disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
d. there is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years)
e. there is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood
f. cirteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia
Rangerville
25-02-2006, 03:07
I don't think that Aspergers is an excuse for any of the things you said and i frankly think that using it as an excuse is an insult to all those people all over the world who have physical and psychological disorders yet still go on to live happy, healthy, productive lives. I do however hope that things get better for you.
Wasn't he at Yale back then?
Yeah, but he was rich and in a secret society. He would have survived no matter where the bombs hit...probably would have known where they would hit beforehand.
Lunatic Goofballs
25-02-2006, 04:06
What's wrong with eugenics? Filtering out the crap before the child is born.
Because who decides what's 'crap'?
Look at me. Would you deny the world my wit and humor simply because I'm slightly unstable? :p
Jello Biafra
25-02-2006, 12:53
I.e. he himself should have been "removed"?Something like that, or at least altered.
Heavenly Sex
25-02-2006, 13:01
*bites of Kievan's head*
Yuck. Tastes gross! :mad:
*spits out head again*
Demented Hamsters
25-02-2006, 13:34
I hate humanity. Mainly because I don't think I'm part of it.
Best argument I've seen for eugenics. Only wish it could be done post-birth.
Demented Hamsters
25-02-2006, 13:37
Because who decides what's 'crap'?
Look at me. Would you deny the world my wit and humor simply because I'm slightly unstable? :p
Naw, I'd deny your wit and humour the world because it's very unstable.