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I have doing doing some research on the New World Order lately because I am writing a report on my views of end times. I can't help but noticing how much the plans for the New World Order and the predictions in the Bible line up. For example the ten super nations and ten kings/horns. What do you think?

And just what New World Order project is that? Masonic? Nazi? Propaganda Due? The Bolsheviks? The one feated by survivalists? The musical group New Order?
In any case, a dabate about the Apocalypse should be highly original, productive and entertaining.

And just what New World Order project is that? Masonic? Nazi? Propaganda Due? The Bolsheviks? The one feated by survivalists? The musical group New Order?
In any case, a dabate about the Apocalypse should be highly original, productive and entertaining.
Not a specific project, I have heard of many. I mean just in general, you can refer to which ever you wish.

I have doing doing some research on the New World Order lately because I am writing a report on my views of end times. I can't help but noticing how much the plans for the New World Order and the predictions in the Bible line up. For example the ten super nations and ten kings/horns. What do you think?

I think you need to stop researching things. That way you may devote your time to more important things like stamp collections, or obeying clever propaganda.

I think you need to stop researching things. That way you may devote your time to more important things like stamp collections, or obeying clever propaganda.
Intresting suggestion, but I must entertain my mind.

Not a specific project, I have heard of many. I mean just in general, you can refer to which ever you wish.

there IS no new world order. the reason it matches up so well with the end times is that the lunatics who THINK there is a new world order are also the same lunatics who think that the apocalypse is right around the corner.

there IS no new world order. the reason it matches up so well with the end times is that the lunatics who THINK there is a new world order are also the same lunatics who think that the apocalypse is right around the corner.
The apocalypse is coming, but I couldn't say when. Christians have expected it since Christ's ascension. It could be in a minute or a hundred thousand years from now, only God knows. I don't know if there is truely and organization called the 'New World Order'. There could be, but chances are that it is not exactly what it is made out to be. I think that it is more of an idea of a one world government. There are a lot of secular writings about it and even those line up.

And most of them are by paranoid people who just copy other NWO crazies.

Intresting suggestion, but I must entertain my mind.
So far, from that discourse, you're doing good entertaining ours. *bows*

And most of them are by paranoid people who just copy other NWO crazies.
Possibly, but do notice that you said most.

there IS no new world order. the reason it matches up so well with the end times is that the lunatics who THINK there is a new world order are also the same lunatics who think that the apocalypse is right around the corner.
Occam?
Verily, i say unto thee, verily ....

I have doing doing some research on the New World Order lately because I am writing a report on my views of end times. I can't help but noticing how much the plans for the New World Order and the predictions in the Bible line up. For example the ten super nations and ten kings/horns. What do you think?

The reason why they line up is that the people who have come up with the theories of the New World Order are Christians who believe in the end times. Their similarites are not due to coinicidence (obviously) or to anything genuine; the similarities are intentional since these conspiracy theories are meant to reflect the end times.

The reason why they line up is that the people who have come up with the theories of the New World Order are Christians who believe in the end times. Their similarites are not due to coinicidence (obviously) or to anything genuine; the similarities are intentional since these conspiracy theories are meant to reflect the end times.
There are a lot of Christian sites out there, but as I already said I am looking at the secular ones as well. Also, and I said this as well, I highly doubt that there is an actual organization called the New World Order, it is more of an idea in my opinion.

I highly doubt that there is an actual organization called the New World Order, it is more of an idea in my opinion.
So, you're asking people if they can describe what you imagine?

So, you're asking people if they can describe what you imagine?
No, not at all. It is an idea, but there is a lot written about it (even if it is considered to be a real orginization). What I mean by idea is that it is a bunch of different plans of different societies woven together. I am asking if anyone else sees the similarities, if anyone sees a less obvious one I would really like to know.

No idea why, but this thread reminds me of a new nation I saw today..."McDonalds Dollar Menu''. Thats a super name.

anyway.......what exactly is the NWO? Didnt that have something to do with wrestling?

No, not at all. It is an idea, but there is a lot written about it (even if it is considered to be a real orginization). What I mean by idea is that it is a bunch of different plans of different societies woven together. I am asking if anyone else sees the similarities, if anyone sees a less obvious one I would really like to know.
But, man, that's a conspiracy theory.

A loose cabal of ambitious, connected, clever, and ruthless people acting in occasional concert to preserve their wealth and power via surreptitious means is not a sign of the end of the world.

It started when Thog distracted Oog so Garg could stab him in the back, and Thog and Garg could divide up Oog's crap.

It will end when they take it too far, or when ethical collective conditioning creates a class of ambitious, honest, clever, and disciplined people who are vicious enough to destroy the previous Order.

But, man, that's a conspiracy theory.
Yes, it would classify. Wouldn't it? But I think that there is some truth to most conspiracy theories, but maybe not much to all.

Yes, it would classify. Wouldn't it? But I think that there is some truth to most conspiracy theories, but maybe not much to all.
Name a truthfull conspiracy theory, so we may talk objectively.

Name a truthfull conspiracy theory, so we may talk objectively.

"Conspiracy theory" is just a snarl term (not unlike "cult"). For example, if you believe the official story regarding 9/11 you adhere to the conspiracy theory that the attack was commited by Al-qaeda (of course any other theory would also be a conspiracy theory).

Name a truthfull conspiracy theory, so we may talk objectively.
Alright, I will stick with the topic. The New World Order conspiracy theory has some truth in that the United Nations is trying to help the world live in harmony. Wouldn't this indicate the possiblity that they may plan to unite the world via a one world government? They are already trying to inforce international laws.

Alright, I will stick with the topic. The New World Order conspiracy theory has some truth in that the United Nations is trying to help the world live in harmony. Wouldn't this indicate the possiblity that they may plan to unite the world via a one world government? They are already trying to inforce international laws.

It's a possibility that there are agents outside of your home right now planning to "suicide" you; that doesn't mean it is a very likely possibility. Who is this "they" you refer to in relation to the UN, it is far from a cohesive organization.

It's a possibility that there are agents outside of your home right now planning to "suicide" you; that doesn't mean it is a very likely possibility. Who is this "they" you refer to in relation to the UN, it is far from a cohesive organization.
I say 'they' because with out better information I cannot give you a specific group of people.

Alright, I will stick with the topic. The New World Order conspiracy theory has some truth in that the United Nations is trying to help the world live in harmony. Wouldn't this indicate the possiblity that they may plan to unite the world via a one world government? They are already trying to inforce international laws.
Ah, no. Why would it? And, if it were their plan, why didn't they manage by now (surely, not because of Christians!)? And, if they had tried, what's to say they didn't manage - and that this isn't it? And, if this it, what does a "world government" mean? Do people do the same things nowadays? Is there one single goal uniting the world? Could there ever be one?
Most "theories" surround the Freemasonry, and revolve around the same logic. Bear with me: I read this interview with an anti-Soviet former officer of a secret service, who said the the USA and Freemasons had worked together to help resistance to communist movements in Europe. Then, the interviewer asked him: "Was the Freemasonry needed for such a thing?". And the man said: "Why, of course. The Freemasonry gets into everything: it was behind the October Revolution in Russia". Now, if the guy is right, it means that the Freemasons conspired to install the Soviet government, then fought against it for the rest of its existence. Let's say I go with that (stranger things have happened). But then it means that the goal of unity and the representative cannot be achieved in a "final" manner. People quarell in whatever context. Any "huge shadowy society" would, at best, be groups of people who only agree on some things.
I love a short-story by Jorge-Luis Borges which deals exactly with that faulty logic of "bringing the world together". I think its English title is "The Congress".

A loose cabal of ambitious, connected, clever, and ruthless people acting in occasional concert to preserve their wealth and power via surreptitious means is not a sign of the end of the world.

It started when Thog distracted Oog so Garg could stab him in the back, and Thog and Garg could divide up Oog's crap.

It will end when they take it too far, or when ethical collective conditioning creates a class of ambitious, honest, clever, and disciplined people who are vicious enough to destroy the previous Order.
Hahaha!
*FLORT*
Did you see the commercial where they were portrayed as employing FedEx?
*squish*

Ah, no. Why would it? And, if it were their plan, why didn't they manage by now (surely, not because of Christians!)? And, if they had tried, what's to say they didn't manage - and that this isn't it? And, if this it, what does a "world government" mean? Do people do the same things nowadays? Is there one single goal uniting the world? Could there ever be one?
Maybe it is a new plan, I didn't say that there was one, I said that it was possible. The term world government means the entire world ruled by a single government (no more countries).
Most "theories" surround the Freemasonry, and revolve around the same logic. Bear with me: I read this interview with an anti-Soviet former officer of a secret service, who said the the USA and Freemasons had worked together to help resistance to communist movements in Europe. Then, the interviewer asked him: "Was the Freemasonry needed for such a thing?". And the man said: "Why, of course. The Freemasonry gets into everything: it was behind the October Revolution in Russia". Now, if the guy is right, it means that the Freemasons conspired to install the Soviet government, then fought against it for the rest of its existence. Let's say I go with that (stranger things have happened). But then it means that the goal of unity and the representative cannot be achieved in a "final" manner. People quarell in whatever context. Any "huge shadowy society" would, at best, be groups of people who only agree on some things.
I love a short-story by Jorge-Luis Borges which deals exactly with that faulty logic of "bringing the world together". I think its English title is "The Congress".
Alright, I will grant you that no one has suceeded before in unting the world, but that is because it wasn't yet time.

If any of you think that this 'one world government' sounds good, let me explain something. You would lose your freedoms. There would be only one religion, and some believe that home schooling would be out lawed. You would be forced to take a mark on your hand or forehead and if you didn't take it, you would die.

If any of you think that this 'one world government' sounds good, let me explain something. You would lose your freedoms. There would be only one religion, and some believe that home schooling would be out lawed. You would be forced to take a mark on your hand or forehead and if you didn't take it, you would die.

That's only if the "one world government" is modeled off of the book of Revelations; otherwise it would be quite different and potentially peaceful and pleasant. In any case I'm opposed to having a one world government on completely different and practical grounds.

Maybe it is a new plan, I didn't say that there was one, I said that it was possible. The term world government means the entire world ruled by a single government (no more countries).

Alright, I will grant you that no one has suceeded before in unting the world, but that is because it wasn't yet time.

My point was about the factual inaccuracy of it at any concievable moment (past, present, and future). To make it yet more clear: you suppose it takes an artificial mechanism to make the world resonate for the same things. But surely, any large government would involve a huge number of people agreeing (large enough to act at all lebvels of society in unison, and to negociate their way with every possible opposition). How come they already agree?!
Again, humans will disagree, will disagree, will disagree. Even if someone sets his sights on creating a world gvt, all he will have is the name.

If any of you think that this 'one world government' sounds good, let me explain something. You would lose your freedoms. There would be only one religion, and some believe that home schooling would be out lawed. You would be forced to take a mark on your hand or forehead and if you didn't take it, you would die.

And you get these details from? (Please don't say "Book of Revelations". Even if you could cite that as factual proof, I read nothing in it about chips and home schooling.)
In any case, you started with speculation (the "what if"). Now, it's that you know for sure.

That's only if the "one world government" is modeled off of the book of Revelations; otherwise it would be quite different and potentially peaceful and pleasant. In any case I'm opposed to having a one world government on completely different and practical grounds.
To nonbelievers the government described in Revelations will seem peaceful.

Just like there is no Jewish conspriacy, no Communist conspiracy, no Canadian conspiracy and no Rastafarian conspiracy,
There. Is. No. New. World. Order. Conspiracy.

Besides, Bible prophecy is ludicrous. When you see a 7 headed beast and a Babylonian whore, call me and I'll offer you a formal letter of apology. Until then I will stick with the reasonable assumption that the Book of Revelations is not truthful or accurate as a guide to predicting our future.

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Besides, Bible 'prophecy' is ludicrous. When you see a 7 headed beast and a Babylonian whore, call me and I'll offer you a formal letter of apology. Until then I will stick with the reasonable assumption that the Book of Revelations is not truthful or accurate as a guide to predicting our future.

I have to agree. Revelation was written by a man who was most likely insane. As far as i'm concerned, the world isn't going to be ended by any deity, but by mankind's stupidity.

The end of "the world" is relative. Existence will likely never end, but Earth could certainly destroyed, probably by means of humans blowing it up or so completely devatating the environment that the earth can no longer support life.

I would not be so quick to dismiss all conspiracy theories. Many of them, while not proven, have yet to be disproven. Take Roswell for example. Aliens? Doubtful. Cover-up for something else, or a ploy to draw attention away from other government happenings? Quite possible.

Anyway, to the original post, the NWO is most likely the product of religious(or anti-religious, Nazi's for example) fanatics :mp5: who want to force the perfection of society. In a few cases the ultimate goal is to bring about the end of the world, but generally there are much more selfish reasons behind it, such as power.

This of course is solely my personal opinion.

I have doing doing some research on the New World Order lately because I am writing a report on my views of end times. I can't help but noticing how much the plans for the New World Order and the predictions in the Bible line up. For example the ten super nations and ten kings/horns. What do you think?

What are the 10 super nations?

Revelations was a letter written by a man about the imminent fall of the Roman Empire, and the replacement thereof with a new, agrarian society. It was intended to happen within a century after he wrote it. It didn't happen then. It won't happen tomorrow (where tomorrow=today+x amount of time).

People have been preaching doom and gloom probably since before humans could write. How do you decide which one to follow? The one where the world ends because of the wrath of an angry god? And which one of those should we choose? Ragnarok? Revelations? The Islamic Apocalypse? Or the Hindu, or, or, or.

No one knows how or when the world will end. There's absolutely no sense worrying about it, because there will be nothing you can do about it: everyone dies sooner or later. Dying at the end of the earth will be no different.

What are the 10 super nations?

WIND!
FIRE!
WATER!
EARTH!
AIR!
FLAME!
ICE!
SOIL!
BOB DOLE!, and;
CHUCK NORRIS!

WIND!
FIRE!
WATER!
EARTH!
AIR!
FLAME!
ICE!
SOIL!
BOB DOLE!, and;
CHUCK NORRIS!
You forgot "ether".

You forgot "ether".
And "metal" ....
and "wood".
*nods*

You know, Im not ready to entirely rule out the possibilty that some sort of NWO, or Illuminati may exist, but frankly, the state of global affairs just doesnt support any kind of logic.
The Middle East is a hotbed of racial tension, religious zealotism, and teeters on the brink of total war.
It also happens to be where most of the oil is...
If some sort of secret society were truly influencing events, how would this kind of situation profit them?

The two major problems I have against illuminati theorists, are:

a). Why be so entirely secretive about it all?
Tell everyone what you do, all the time, constantly.
That way everyone gets tired of hearing it, and stop caring.

b) Success of any kind of super-plan depends on human beings behaving as your plan needs them to.
Wether you depend on this group of people to push along an agenda, or are reliant on the actions of an individual, such plans rely on humans to act accordingly.
The inherent problem with this is that humans are quite stupid.
We dont act always act rationally, or as required.
We as a whole, cant be trusted to act accordingly, and constantly make poor choices.

Surely, if some secret society has some kind of master plan to dominate the world, humanity will fuck it up nicely.

The inherent problem with this is that humans are quite stupid.
We dont act always act rationally, or as required.
We as a whole, cant be trusted to act accordingly, and constantly make poor choices.

Surely, if some secret society has some kind of master plan to dominate the world, humanity will fuck it up nicely.

Yeah, but what if depending on human stupidity was part of the plan?

Possibly, but do notice that you said most.

Correct. There has to be somebody to copy. I personally think it's about 99% copying what everyone else says, and 1% making it up.

Correct. There has to be somebody to copy. I personally think it's about 99% copying what everyone else says, and 1% making it up.
I would say that maybe 60% just copy what 38% make up and 2% have a reason to claim what they do and have some valid proof.

I think perhaps that the end time in the Book of Revelations is really about a spiritual battle that all people must face at some point in their lives. Also, remember that the it could also be a reference to the coming of Muhammmed and the Islamic civilization that sprung up around His teachings. The end of the world or age has happened many times to many different people. Your world is over when the things you most depended upon and loved are gone such as the Roman Empire, the destruction of Jerusalem etc.

I think perhaps that the end time in the Book of Revelations is really about a spiritual battle that all people must face at some point in their lives. Also, remember that the it could also be a reference to the coming of Muhammmed and the Islamic civilization that sprung up around His teachings. The end of the world or age has happened many times to many different people. Your world is over when the things you most depended upon and loved are gone such as the Roman Empire, the destruction of Jerusalem etc.
It is a Spiritual battle which is to come to the physical world. It is a battle between God an Satan. I hold not Islamic beliefs, so I don't believe that. It is not true that the world ends when things that you love and depend on are gone. I have lost my grandparents, I loved them. I have lost my friends and teachers who were closer to me than family. I lost the things I most loved and depended on and my world is not over, I still know that God put me here for a purpose. After Christ's 1,000 year rein on Earth and the release of the Beast, the world will really come to an end and there will be a new heaven and a new Earth. Our world today has the foundations for the rise of the Antichrist and the founding of the fifth empire mentioned in Daniel (you have the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, and the Romans). The last will be a mixture and the United Nations are in a perfect place to bring this prophecy about.

It is a Spiritual battle which is to come to the physical world. It is a battle between God an Satan. I hold not Islamic beliefs, so I don't believe that. It is not true that the world ends when things that you love and depend on are gone. I have lost my grandparents, I loved them. I have lost my friends and teachers who were closer to me than family. I lost the things I most loved and depended on and my world is not over, I still know that God put me here for a purpose. After Christ's 1,000 year rein on Earth and the release of the Beast, the world will really come to an end and there will be a new heaven and a new Earth. Our world today has the foundations for the rise of the Antichrist and the founding of the fifth empire mentioned in Daniel (you have the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, and the Romans). The last will be a mixture and the United Nations are in a perfect place to bring this prophecy about.
How many of these things are you going to try to force down the throats of the innocent with your actions?
Think carefully before you answer.
You need to learn to seperate your rhetoric from your intent. If you already have, i'm sure many people would be accurately assessing you as a threat to reason and society.

The apocalypse is coming, but I couldn't say when. Christians have expected it since Christ's ascension. It could be in a minute or a hundred thousand years from now, only God knows. I don't know if there is truely and organization called the 'New World Order'. There could be, but chances are that it is not exactly what it is made out to be. I think that it is more of an idea of a one world government. There are a lot of secular writings about it and even those line up.
:rolleyes: Anything could happen at any time. The Yellowstone caldera could explode and the Canary Islands could crack in half causing a mega-tsunami, both tonight, and next week, while the world is trying to dig itself out from that, an asteroid could smack into the planet. Game over. Which of your many and quite flexible prophecies will that scenario fulfill? And more to the point, who cares? I have never understood the charm of these end times obsessions. What really is the point? And what if it doesn't ever happen? How long do you have to wait before you start looking for something to do with your days?

No, not at all. It is an idea, but there is a lot written about it (even if it is considered to be a real orginization). What I mean by idea is that it is a bunch of different plans of different societies woven together. I am asking if anyone else sees the similarities, if anyone sees a less obvious one I would really like to know.
There are no actual similarities. You create false similarities in your own imagination because you are looking for agreement with an idea you want to support, not test.

To nonbelievers the government described in Revelations will seem peaceful.
Well, then, there's the answer to the problem. Stop believing and stop worrying. You underminded yourself there, K.

I bet you the mods are some how involved with the NWO...I mean how else would you be able to describe some of their "diabolic" actions?

Besides, Bible prophecy is ludicrous. When you see a 7 headed beast and a Babylonian whore, call me and I'll offer you a formal letter of apology. Until then I will stick with the reasonable assumption that the Book of Revelations is not truthful or accurate as a guide to predicting our future.


Are you sure about that? Check this out..It only gives like 16 prophecies..but its worth a read.
http://www.ineedjesus.com/

go down to where it says The soon coming climax, and read the rest of it. better yet..ill repost it here :D

This message may be called a road sign of warning. Some may look at a sign that reads—THE BRIDGE IS OUT, and say, "Oh, someone is just trying to scare us into taking another road; let’s go on the same way." They go on and plunge to their death. The sign was not meant to scare people, but to warn them of impending danger. The sign was put there, because someone cared and didn’t want others to perish.
God wants you to know, WHEN YOU SEE THESE THINGS COME TO PASS (the prophecies from the Bible in this message), KNOW YE THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NIGH AT HAND-Lk 21:31.

Will Russia and some Arab nations invade Israel and the U.S.A. become involved? Yes.

Will 1/4th of the world’s population die? Yes.

Will there be a one-world system or global economy? Yes.

Will diseases increase such as AIDS? Yes.

Did you know the Bible tells us about what is happening?


WHAT IS GOING ON?

People have said the end was near many times in the past—true. But did you know the Bible shows us no prophecy of the latter days meant anything until Israel was reborn into a nation? Did you know God’s Word indicates to us a generation would not pass from Israel’s rebirth, till all be fulfilled (which includes the Rapture, the Tribulation, and Jesus Christ’s return)? A generation could be as little as 40 years or as much as 70 to 80 years (Note Parable of the Fig Tree in site menu).

Many people have been preaching about the latter days of the end times in churches, on radio, TV, and through books and magazines. Some include Billy Graham, Hal Lindsey, Ray Brubaker, John Hagee, Zola Levitt, Jack Van Impe, Peter Lalonde, and Tim LaHaye just to mention a few. To those that understand the Bible, no explanation is needed. To those that are prideful, self-centered, that love this world, that despise God’s correction, that are contentious or seeking the praise of men rather than of God, no explanation is possible-ref Dan 12:4, 10; Mt 24:37, 39.

It has been said that it is virtually impossible for anyone to make 11 straight predictions, 2000 years into the future. There is only one chance in 8 x 10 to the 63rd power, or 80 with 63 zeros after it that such a thing could be done. If such a set of predictions existed, it would have to be the Word of God.

Consider, could you write eleven straight predictions that would take place in the year 4000 A.D.? Include the rebirth of a specific nation and exactly how it would be reborn. Include specific nations that would exist and certain nations that would be allied together, and the exact size of a nation’s army. Include what the people and church would be like. Also include the names of actual cities and name certain crops and fruit trees that would exist. Do eleven straight prophecies and be exactly correct on every single one. The Bible not only does this eleven times, but hundreds of times with absolute, perfect accuracy. If this is so, even the most skeptical person (that is truthful) would have to agree that there is indeed a God and the Bible has to be His Word. 2 Pet 1:20,21-KNOWING THIS FIRST, THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. FOR THE PROPHECY CAME NOT IN OLD TIME BY THE WILL OF MAN: BUT HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN-Lk 24:25. However, believing there is a God and acknowledging the Bible is the Word of God does not save a person. A person needs to admit they are a sinner, repent, and receive Jesus Christ as their only hope of being saved. This is done by faith (or trust).

Let's prove the Bible is true and we are nearing the end of the last generation before Christ returns.

1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8. Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years. That’s 1 out of 1.
Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn.
The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the "latter days." It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Some of these are listed here.
Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2.
Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At precisely 4 pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, "The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended." Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once, exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under attack by the Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, and Iraqi forces.

3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3.
Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the "United Nations" approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was "brought forth out of the nations"—the children of Israel from many nations have been returning to their ancient homeland.

4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 4 out of 4.
Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. Are you ready?

5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 5 out of 5.
Note: God will spew them out. Many ministers and people that call themselves a Christian will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. Many (so-called Christians) are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Some famous ministers and Bible schools think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

6.
The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. These fit the
people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago. Here are some:


A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect.


B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.


C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials—"I
do it for me"?



D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.



E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.




F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.




G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?



H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.


I. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21. The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs. God’s Word is 100% right on every one. That’s 6 out of 6. How could you have any doubts at this point?
Note: Fifty years ago, many people seldom locked their doors at night. There was little or no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies. One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone.


7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true. That’s 7 out of 7.
Note: It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2004) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true. That's 8 out of 8.
Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or "among all nations." In addition, the Gospel is available by short-wave radio nearly everywhere in the world.

9. In the "latter days" when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 9 out of 9.
Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.

10. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is astounding. How could the Bible have told the location of a nation and given such a huge figure regarding the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. That’s 10 out of 10.

11. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is an exact description of the European Economic Community today (the EEC), which has already adopted the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44. That’s 11 out of 11. We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions made thousands of years ago—with God nothing is impossible. Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic should see the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are nearing the time of the end.

About 22 prophecies in 11 sets have been given, all perfect and all written centuries ago. The chance that any person could do this 2000 years into the future is not possible. The Bible is the Word of God, and we have just proved it. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Repent and get baptized by full immersion. Read and obey the Gospel. God loves you. He is not willing that any should perish, yet many do. The Rapture is close. Most people are not ready and will not be taken. However, "YOU" cannot say you did not know. Know and understand, Mt 16:26-WHAT IS A MAN PROFITED, IF HE SHALL GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD, AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL? OR WHAT SHALL A MAN GIVE IN EXCHANGE FOR HIS SOUL? (Note: The Encyclopedia of Bible Prophecy has the complete list of 365 prophecies.)




have fun ;)

I have doing doing some research on the New World Order lately because I am writing a report on my views of end times. I can't help but noticing how much the plans for the New World Order and the predictions in the Bible line up. For example the ten super nations and ten kings/horns. What do you think?
I remember a time when the only people who new about the New World Order were christians who actually believed it existed. Now christian-haters know about it too.

WIND!
FIRE!
WATER!
EARTH!
AIR!
FLAME!
ICE!
SOIL!
BOB DOLE!, and;
CHUCK NORRIS!

Fire and flame? Wind and air?

The apocalypse is coming, but I couldn't say when. Christians have expected it since Christ's ascension. It could be in a minute or a hundred thousand years from now, only God knows. I don't know if there is truely and organization called the 'New World Order'. There could be, but chances are that it is not exactly what it is made out to be. I think that it is more of an idea of a one world government. There are a lot of secular writings about it and even those line up.


People have been CERTAIN that the Apocalypse was happening before and.... we're all still here.

If any of you think that this 'one world government' sounds good, let me explain something. You would lose your freedoms. There would be only one religion, and some believe that home schooling would be out lawed. You would be forced to take a mark on your hand or forehead and if you didn't take it, you would die.

Chick tracts?

People have been CERTAIN that the Apocalypse was happening before and.... we're all still here.

For an approximation of just how many times we've dodged the bullet:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. More details.
About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century. More details.

bullet About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.

bullet 2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.

bullet 365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year. It didn't.

bullet 375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 CE.

bullet 500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.

bullet 968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the German emperor Otto III.

bullet 992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons were fighting.

bullet 1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics.

bullet 1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.

bullet 1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the closeness of the end.

bullet 1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.

bullet 1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end would happen in 1306 CE.

bullet 1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets.

bullet 1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.

bullet 1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded.

bullet 1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.

bullet 1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.

bullet 1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.

bullet 1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen in 1533 and that the New Jerusalem would be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg jail.

bullet 1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death from 1669 to 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.

bullet 1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.

bullet 1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.

bullet 1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.

bullet 1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.

bullet 1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.

bullet 1843: Joseph Smith (1805-1844), the founder of the Mormon movement, heard a voice while praying. He wrote:

"I was once praying very ernestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:

'Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou are eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.'

I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face. I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time."

Smith would have reached the age of 85 during 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century.

bullet 1843-MAR-21: William Miller, founder of the Millerite movement, predicted that Jesus would come on this date.

bullet 1844-OCT-22: When Jesus did not return, Miller predicted this new date. In an event which is now called "The Great Disappointment," many Christians sold their property and possessions, quit their jobs and prepared themselves for the second coming. Nothing happened; the day came and went without incident.

bullet 1850: Ellen White, founder of the Seven Day Adventists movement, made many predictions of the timing of the end of the world. All failed. She made one on 1850-JUN-27 that only a few months remained before the end. She wrote: "My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.' ...now time is almost finished...and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months." 10

bullet 1856 or later: At Ellen White's last prediction, she said that she was shown in a vision the fate of believers who attended the 1856 SDA conference. She wrote "I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: 'Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." 11 That is, some of the attendees would die of normal diseases; some would die from plagues at the last days, others would still be alive when Jesus came. "By the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to explain away such a prominent prophetic failure." 12

bullet 1891 or before: On 1835-FEB-14, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, attended a meeting of church leaders. He said that the meeting had been called because God had commanded it. He announced that Jesus would return within 56 years -- i.e. before 1891-FEB-15. (History of the Church 2:182)

bullet 1914 was one of the more important estimates of the start of the war of Armageddon by the Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). They computed 1914 from prophecy in the book of Daniel, Chapter 4. The writings referred to "seven times". The WTS interpreted each "time" as equal to 360 days, giving a total of 2520 days. This was further interpreted as representing 2520 years, measured from the starting date of 607 BCE. This gave 1914 as the target date. When 1914 passed, they changed their prediction; 1914 became the year that Jesus invisibly began his rule.

bullet 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975 and 1994, etc. were other dates that the Watchtower Society (WTS) or its members predicted.

bullet Since late in the 19th century, they had taught that the "battle of the Great Day of God Almighty" (Armageddon) would happen in 1914 CE. It didn't.

bullet The next major estimate was 1925. Watchtower magazine predicted: "The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914; but it would be presumptuous on the part of any faithful follower of the Lord to assume just what the Lord is going to do during that year." 6

bullet The Watchtower Society selected 1975 as its next main prediction. This was based on the estimate "according to reliable Bible chronology Adam was created in the year 4026 BCE, likely in the autumn of the year, at the end of the sixth day of creation." 8 They believed that the year 1975 a promising date for the end of the world, as it was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's creation. Exactly 1,000 years was to pass for each day of the creation week. This prophecy also failed.

bullet The current estimate is that the end of the world as we know it will happen precisely 6000 years after the creation of Eve. 9 There is no way of knowing when this happened.

bullet More details on the WTS predictions.

bullet 1919: Meteorologist Albert Porta predicted that the conjunction of 6 planets would generate a magnetic current that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the earth on DEC-17.

bullet 1936: Herbert W Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God, predicted that the Day of the Lord would happen sometime in 1936. When the prediction failed, he made a new estimate: 1975.

bullet 1940 or 1941: A Bible teacher from Australia, Leonard Sale-Harrison, held a series of prophesy conferences across North America in the 1930's. He predicted that the end of the world would happen in 1940 or 1941. 7

bullet 1948: During this year, the state of Israel was founded. Some Christians believed that this event was the final prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus. Various end of the world predictions were made in the range 1888 to 2048.

bullet 1953-AUG: David Davidson wrote a book titled "The Great Pyramid, Its Divine Message". In it, he predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.

bullet 1957-APR: The Watchtower magazine quoted 6 a pastor from
California, Mihran Ask, as saying in 1957-JAN that "Sometime between April 16 and 23, 1957, Armageddon will sweep the world! Millions of persons will perish in its flames and the land will be scorched.'

bullet 1959: The Branch Davidians of Waco TX believed that they would be killed, resurrected and transferred to heaven by APR-22.

bullet 1960: Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book circa 1860 titled "Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid." It was responsible for spreading the belief in pyramidology throughout the world. This is the belief that secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great pyramids. He concluded from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960 CE.

bullet 1967: During the six day war, the Israeli army captured all of Jerusalem. Many conservative Christians believed that the rapture would occur quickly. However, the final Biblical prerequisite for the second coming is that the Jews resume ritual animal sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem. That never happened.

bullet 1970's: The late Moses David (formerly David Berg) was the founder of the Christian religious group, The Children of God. He predicted that a comet would hit the earth, probably in the mid 1970's and destroy all life in the United States. One source indicated that he believed it would happen in
1973.

bullet 1972: According to an article in the Atlantic magazine, "Herbert W. Armstrong's empire suffered a serious blow when the end failed to begin in January of 1972, as Armstrong had predicted, thus bringing hardship to many people who had given most of their assets to the church in the expectation of going to Petra, where such worldly possessions would be useless." 3 According to an article in Wikipedia:

"The failure of this prophetic scenario to take place according to this Co-Worker letter scenario, which was often repeated over the years in print by Armstrong, may have been one of the initial reasons why the church organization began to decline as unfulfilled expectations led to great disappointment. As events unfolded, it became obvious 1972 did not have the biblical significance that the church had anticipated for nearly two decades." 15

bullet 1974: Charles Meade, a pastor in Daleville, IN, predicted that the end of the world will happen during his lifetime. He was born circa 1927, so the end will probably come early in the 21st century.

bullet 1975: A major Jehovah's Witness prediction date.

bullet 1978: Chuck Smith, Pastor of Calvary Chapel in Cost Mesa, CA, predicted the rapture in 1981.

bullet 1980: Leland Jensen leader of a Baha'i World Faith group, predicted that a nuclear disaster would happen in 1980. This would be followed by two decades of conflict, ending in the establishment of God's Kingdom on earth.

bullet 1981:

bullet Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel taught an anti-Trinitarian belief about God, and Christian Identity. Back in the 1970's, he predicted that the Antichrist would appear before 1981.

bullet Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church predicted that the Kingdom of Heaven would be established in this year.

bullet 1982: Pat Robertson predicted a few years in advance that the world would end in the fall of 1982.

bullet 1982: Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the "Jupiter Effect" in 1974. They wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun, tidal forces would create solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes. The planets did align as seen from earth, as they do regularly. Nothing unusual happened.

bullet 1984 to 1999: In 1983, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, later called Osho, teacher of what has been called the Rajneesh movement, is said to have predicted massive destruction on earth, including natural disasters and man-made catastrophes. Floods larger than any since Noah, extreme earthquakes, very destructive volcano eruptions, nuclear wars etc. will be experienced. Tokyo, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Bombay will all disappear. Actually, the predictions were read by his secretary; their legitimacy is doubtful.

bullet 1985: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel predicted that the war of Aramageddon will start on 1985-JUN 8-9 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."

bullet 1986: Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.

bullet 1987 to 2000: Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book "I Predict 2000 AD" predicted that Jerusalem would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule Europe, and that there would be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest Christian revival in the history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the 20th century. All of the predictions failed.

bullet 1988:

bullet Hal Lindsey had predicted in his book "The Late, Great Planet Earth" that the Rapture was coming in 1988 - one generation or 40 years after the creation of the state of Israel. This failed prophecy did not appear to damage his reputation. He continues to write books of prophecy which sell very well indeed.

bullet Alfred Schmielewsky, a psychic whose stage name was "super-psychic A.S. Narayana," predicted in 1986 that the world's greatest natural disaster would hit Montreal in 1988. Sadly, his psychic abilities failed him on 1999-APR-11 when he answered the door of his home only to be shot dead by a gunman.

bullet 1988-MAY: A 1981 movie titled "The man who saw tomorrow" described some of Nostradamus predictions. Massive earthquakes were predicted for San Francisco and Los Angeles.

bullet 1988-OCT-11: Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book "88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988." It sold over 4 million copies.

bullet About 1990: Peter Ruckman concluded from his analysis of the Bible that the rapture would come within a few years of 1990.

No pun intended with that "dodged the bullet" line and each thing starting with the word "bullet". Also, there's a lot more after 1990.

For an approximation of just how many times we've dodged the bullet:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm



No pun intended with that "dodged the bullet" line and each thing starting with the word "bullet". Also, there's a lot more after 1990.


Well in order for us to be in the "end times" we must have the temple...The temple is the final building block of events leading up to the end time. Once the temple is complete, then the Anti-Christ can desecrate it, proclaming himself god

Well in order for us to be in the "end times" we must have the temple...The temple is the final building block of events leading up to the end time. Once the temple is complete, then the Anti-Christ can desecrate it, proclaming himself god
You mean the one George W. Bush commissioned to build over there in Iraq?
That one? Like no one is figuring out his connection to the Anti-Christ?

That one's just about done.

You mean the one George W. Bush commissioned to build over there in Iraq?
That one? Like no one is figuring out his connection to the Anti-Christ?
maybe, but isn't there plans for a Mosque (rumored to be the largest in the world) to be built in New England?

maybe, but isn't there plans for a Mosque (rumored to be the largest in the world) to be built in New England?
Could be. Is it financed by a bunch of apocalyptic psychopaths? Does it intend to be the "jewel" of the East Coast of the U.S.?
I think it pales in comparison. No joke.

The person I blame for all this nonsense about the "End Times" is Augustine, who was instrumental in the canonization of Apocalypse/Revelation by advocating that it be read not as literal history of Imperial Rome and the persecution of the early church (which is what it clearly is, Eusebius saw that immediately and knew that it would undermine the Christianizing of the Empire), but instead that it be read metaphorically much like the earlier texts of Hebrew prophets. If the Eusebian argument had won out though the book wouldn't have made it into the canon and we might not have to bother with this millenialist crap.

An interpretive reading of a metaphor that looks like prophecy is going to lead you to look for analogies between the various cryptic references in the text and future (but for the reader, current) events, since prophets are generally thought to speak about the future rather than the past, but what those prophets were doing was writing commentaries on current and past events in such a ways as they would avoid getting into trouble with the authorities. In the case of the "Revelation of John" it's a covert attack on Rome and Nero in particular, whose numerological name in Greek is "666" (and "616" in Latin, which some manuscripts also use). That's your antichrist right there, the seven-headed beast is the City of Seven Hills, Rome, and the Babylonian whore is most likely the worship of Cybele/Magna Mater.

You mean the one George W. Bush commissioned to build over there in Iraq?
I think you're confused. The Temple refered to is the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, where the Dome of the Rock currently stands but was also the site of the Jewish Temple. Supposedly when the Temple is rebuilt is when the end times will come, though most likely it would just mean war between Jews and Muslims over their contested holy site.

I think you're confused. The Temple refered to is the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, where the Dome of the Rock currently stands but was also the site of the Jewish Temple. Supposedly when the Temple is rebuilt is when the end times will come, though most likely it would just mean war between Jews and Muslims over their contested holy site.
Nah, i'm not confused. I'm giving the topic the respect it deserves.
Good post though.

How many of these things are you going to try to force down the throats of the innocent with your actions?
Think carefully before you answer.
You need to learn to seperate your rhetoric from your intent. If you already have, i'm sure many people would be accurately assessing you as a threat to reason and society.
I am not forcing any one to believe anything. That is completly up to them. I can't make some one believe something that they don't. If people agree with me that is their choice (whether I am right or wrong) and if they disagree with me that their right, but I have the right to defend my beliefs and explain them. In doing that I don't see how I am forcing any one to agree with me.
My intent is to discuss what I believe and see what other people think. And my rhetoric? That is just part of how I have always written. It is a gift and some times a burden (in that I have students who will believe whatever I say, so I have to be careful).

Well, then, there's the answer to the problem. Stop believing and stop worrying. You underminded yourself there, K.
I believe in God and I believe that the Bible is his Word, and nothing can make me turn my back on that. I am not worried at all for myself, but for the world of unbelievers. Even if Christ does not return within my life time I still worry for their souls. I don't want to see any one go to Hell, although I know that many will.

I have doing doing some research on the New World Order lately because I am writing a report on my views of end times. I can't help but noticing how much the plans for the New World Order and the predictions in the Bible line up. For example the ten super nations and ten kings/horns. What do you think?


You know, when christians use weird jargon like "end times" it makes people think they're wackos in a cult.

Use the standard english 'end of the world' if you want to be taken seriously.

I am not forcing any one to believe anything. That is completly up to them. I can't make some one believe something that they don't. If people agree with me that is their choice (whether I am right or wrong) and if they disagree with me that their right, but I have the right to defend my beliefs and explain them. In doing that I don't see how I am forcing any one to agree with me.I'm asking about your future state. Not the state of reasonable discourse, which this still somewhat resembles.
I'm talking about when you take it upon yourself to interpret this kind of thing as your impetus towards being the working, manifest "hand of god". When that mentality arrives, you are very likely to be forcing an immoral circumstance upon people who do not deserve it.

My intent is to discuss what I believe and see what other people think. And my rhetoric? That is just part of how I have always written. It is a gift and some times a burden (in that I have students who will believe whatever I say, so I have to be careful).I'm clarifying whether you still have a difference between what you say and what you do. Whether you are a zealot/extremist or not.

:rolleyes: Anything could happen at any time. The Yellowstone caldera could explode and the Canary Islands could crack in half causing a mega-tsunami, both tonight, and next week, while the world is trying to dig itself out from that, an asteroid could smack into the planet. Game over. Which of your many and quite flexible prophecies will that scenario fulfill? And more to the point, who cares? I have never understood the charm of these end times obsessions. What really is the point? And what if it doesn't ever happen? How long do you have to wait before you start looking for something to do with your days?
I care. I want to know so that I can be prepared for the return of Christ, I do not want to be one of the people caught unprepared. I find Biblical prophecies very interesting, especially Daniel's, as many have already been fulfilled. It will happen. Could be in a minute, could be billions of years from now, but the world will come to an end. I have many things to do with my days, more than you know. My studies aren't the only things I do. I have a job, I do a lot of volunteer work. If there is one thing I am not doing, it is wasting the time that I have been given.

I don't want to see any one go to Hell, although I know that many will.
No you DO NOT. You know no such thing.
However, you may find that religious extremists are more than willing to bring it here unnecessarily.

I'm asking about your future state. Not the state of reasonable discourse, which this still somewhat resembles.
I'm talking about when you take it upon yourself to interpret this kind of thing as your impetus towards being the working, manifest "hand of god". When that mentality arrives, you are very likely to be forcing an immoral circumstance upon people who do not deserve it.

I'm clarifying whether you still have a difference between what you say and what you do. Whether you are a zealot/extremist or not.
I believe what I say and would find it pointless to say anything I didn't believe unless it was used as an example of the opposite. Classify me as you will, in the end God will be my judge, not you.

You know, when christians use weird jargon like "end times" it makes people think they're wackos in a cult.

Use the standard english 'end of the world' if you want to be taken seriously.
This would be a case of the scrutiny i'd mentioned earlier. Well deserved. *nods*

No you DO NOT. You know no such thing.
However, you may find that religious extremists are more than willing to bring it here unnecessarily.
I do know that at least some people will go to Hell. Jesus himself tells us that.

I believe what I say and would find it pointless to say anything I didn't believe unless it was used as an example of the opposite. Classify me as you will, in the end God will be my judge, not you.
Depending on your course of action, and your location, the local authorities may be YOUR judge, not me.
God already extracted itself from the affairs of man, no matter how much sycophantic delusion occurs on part of its psychotic followers.

I do know that at least some people will go to Hell. Jesus himself tells us that.
Oh really? Show the SPECIFIC instances of that.
Do it.
I'm calling you on it.
Show the "scripture" where it actually says that.

And don't throw "Revelation" at me, since that was a fever dream of an already outcast psychopath. It states very clearly that it was a vision and nothing more.

You know, when christians use weird jargon like "end times" it makes people think they're wackos in a cult.

Use the standard english 'end of the world' if you want to be taken seriously.
My apologies. I will try to remember that in the future if it would make people feel more comfortable.

My studies aren't the only things I do. I have a job, I do a lot of volunteer work. If there is one thing I am not doing, it is wasting the time that I have been given.
That is a good thing. I hope you choose wisdom over delusion for your guide.

My apologies. I will try to remember that in the future if it would make people feel more comfortable.


It sure will. They wont think you're nuts and might listen to you.


At any rate, no one can pretend to know anything about the new world order without reading Jon Ronson's wonderful book "Them: Adventures with Extremists" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743233212/002-5300267-2973621?v=glance&n=283155

It sure will. They wont think you're nuts and might listen to you.


At any rate, no one can pretend to know anything about the new world order without reading Jon Ronson's wonderful book "Them: Adventures with Extremists" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743233212/002-5300267-2973621?v=glance&n=283155
Synopsis?

I should point out the happy difference between seeing biblical sources as a good guide for a well-adjusted social philosophy (in general)
and
seeing them as the script of wrath to help an unprovable, unproven infantile invisible being quite clear of any conscientious rumblings upon slaying humanity en masse.

Synopsis?


Very good, very witty british journalist spent several years hanging out, more or less, with various nutcases.

A crazy muslim in britain, the ku klux klan, alex jones, davic icke.

He infiltrated the Bohemian Grove, went to see the bilerburgers.

Its an amazingly funny book.

He made a television program as well, and some of it can be seen on google video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1557513752286923372&q=jon+ronson&pl=true

You wont regret watching it, especially if you read the book later.

I didn't know what this thread was about, so I just googled "new world order" and from what I can tell, its just a funny conspiracy theory. Sort of interesting to ponder, but I can't take it seriously. Although the website I read most extensively was amusing.

Very good, very witty british journalist spent several years hanging out, more or less, with various nutcases.

A crazy muslim in britain, the ku klux klan, alex jones, davic icke.

He infiltrated the Bohemian Grove, went to see the bilerburgers.

Its an amazingly funny book.

He made a television program as well, and some of it can be seen on google video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1557513752286923372&q=jon+ronson&pl=true

You wont regret watching it, especially if you read the book later.
The Grove? Hehe.
I have an Icke book. He doesn't spend enough time on it.

The Grove? Hehe.
I have an Icke book. He doesn't spend enough time on it.


Jon ronson isnt a conspiracy nut, if you have an hour watch that video, you'll see what I mean.

I think the book is better knowing how ronson sounds when he talks, you may agree.

Jon ronson isnt a conspiracy nut, if you have an hour watch that video, you'll see what I mean.

I think the book is better knowing how ronson sounds when he talks, you may agree.
As long as he doesn't do Nixon, Hendrix, Dylan, Drescher, or Sagan impressions, i'll probably be able to handle it. :)

You mean the one George W. Bush commissioned to build over there in Iraq?
That one? Like no one is figuring out his connection to the Anti-Christ?


Haha...Let me specify..the jewish temple..on the Temple mount in Jerusalem.

Haha...Let me specify..the jewish temple..on the Temple mount in Jerusalem.
It's okay, that got covered. ;)

Bush and Mrs Lucifer giving the Satanic Salute:


http://portland.indymedia.org/icon/2005/01/308881.jpg


and again

http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/C-fraud/03-bush/2005/pics/05C3-01-23-05-satan-horns_1.jpg

and again

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/d/a/jenna_satan.jpg

and again

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/images/20050120-1_p44294-227-515h.jpg

and again

http://accordionguy.blogware.com/Photos/2005/01/laura_bush_throws_the_horns.jpg

and again

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2006/01/06/bush-econ-inside.jpg

and again

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/01/images/20060105-1_p010506kh-0041jpg-515h.jpg

and again

http://files.blog-city.com/files/aa/46723/p/f/horns1.jpg

and again

http://www.100monkeystyping.com/wlog/shout.jpg

clinton too

http://www.samliquidation.com/clinton_hand_signal.jpg

It's okay, that got covered. ;)


alrighty :D

Bush and Mrs Lucifer giving the Satanic Salute:


http://portland.indymedia.org/icon/2005/01/308881.jpg


and again

http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/C-fraud/03-bush/2005/pics/05C3-01-23-05-satan-horns_1.jpg

and again

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/d/a/jenna_satan.jpg

and again

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/images/20050120-1_p44294-227-515h.jpg

and again

http://accordionguy.blogware.com/Photos/2005/01/laura_bush_throws_the_horns.jpg

and again

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2006/01/06/bush-econ-inside.jpg

and again

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/01/images/20060105-1_p010506kh-0041jpg-515h.jpg

and again

http://files.blog-city.com/files/aa/46723/p/f/horns1.jpg

and again

http://www.100monkeystyping.com/wlog/shout.jpg

clinton too

http://www.samliquidation.com/clinton_hand_signal.jpg

if you think that is funny, goto www.bushisantichrist.com it cracks me up every time..make sure you have your speakers on..the music is hilarious.

I believe in God and I believe that the Bible is his Word, and nothing can make me turn my back on that. I am not worried at all for myself, but for the world of unbelievers. Even if Christ does not return within my life time I still worry for their souls. I don't want to see any one go to Hell, although I know that many will.
Yeah, but according to you, non-believers won't mind going to hell because it will seem peaceful and nice to them (possibly because of the lack of evangelists, or is that just my personal bitterness? :p ). So where's the downside? Everybody plays, everybody wins.

It is a Spiritual battle which is to come to the physical world. It is a battle between God an Satan. I hold not Islamic beliefs, so I don't believe that. It is not true that the world ends when things that you love and depend on are gone. I have lost my grandparents, I loved them. I have lost my friends and teachers who were closer to me than family. I lost the things I most loved and depended on and my world is not over, I still know that God put me here for a purpose. After Christ's 1,000 year rein on Earth and the release of the Beast, the world will really come to an end and there will be a new heaven and a new Earth. Our world today has the foundations for the rise of the Antichrist and the founding of the fifth empire mentioned in Daniel (you have the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, and the Romans). The last will be a mixture and the United Nations are in a perfect place to bring this prophecy about.

So when oh when will the "fifth empire" finally come about? How imperial does a nation-state really have to get to qualify? I mean, the Babylonian empire was puny by modern standards. I can think of several empires that were at least as large and thus should logically qualify as a "fifth empire", and a sixth or a seventh. What about the Byzantines? The Seljuks? Ottomans? The friggin huge Mongol empire, for God's sake? China, at many points in its history? Pretty much any European country during the age of colonialism, especially Britain? Nazi Germany? The United friggin States of America itself?

Basically I'm trying to say that if you're looking for a physical, human "fifth empire" that logically follows that of the Romans, well, there are already about a dozen. Which means saying none of those qualify puts a really arbitrary standard on it.

I care. I want to know so that I can be prepared for the return of Christ, I do not want to be one of the people caught unprepared. I find Biblical prophecies very interesting, especially Daniel's, as many have already been fulfilled. It will happen. Could be in a minute, could be billions of years from now, but the world will come to an end. I have many things to do with my days, more than you know. My studies aren't the only things I do. I have a job, I do a lot of volunteer work. If there is one thing I am not doing, it is wasting the time that I have been given.
Look, here's what these end times prophecies look like from the outside as promulgated by all these mod tv and street corner evangelist types: Big war, 7 years of tribulation, new world.

What's so bad about that? Lots of people have lived through far worse throughout history. If all I have to do is contrive to survive 7 years of horrible shit, I'll give it a go and keep my principles intact, thanks much.

So when oh when will the "fifth empire" finally come about? How imperial does a nation-state really have to get to qualify? I mean, the Babylonian empire was puny by modern standards. I can think of several empires that were at least as large and thus should logically qualify as a "fifth empire", and a sixth or a seventh. What about the Byzantines? The Seljuks? Ottomans? The friggin huge Mongol empire, for God's sake? China, at many points in its history? Pretty much any European country during the age of colonialism, especially Britain? Nazi Germany? The United friggin States of America itself?

Basically I'm trying to say that if you're looking for a physical, human "fifth empire" that logically follows that of the Romans, well, there are already about a dozen. Which means saying none of those qualify puts a really arbitrary standard on it.
Good post. *bows*

I do know that at least some people will go to Hell. Jesus himself tells us that.
You believe it. You don't know it.

Look, here's what these end times prophecies look like from the outside as promulgated by all these mod tv and street corner evangelist types: Big war, 7 years of tribulation, new world.

What's so bad about that? Lots of people have lived through far worse throughout history. If all I have to do is contrive to survive 7 years of horrible shit, I'll give it a go and keep my principles intact, thanks much.


I guess you don't realize that during this time no one is safe. Polluted water, diseases amuck, wars constantly (using heavy weaponary), famine, the worst natural disasters, and other crap...its not a pretty thing to try and survive.

You believe it. You don't know it.
*ahem*
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10887256&postcount=67

How'd that "parasite" rant go again, my master? ;)

So when oh when will the "fifth empire" finally come about? How imperial does a nation-state really have to get to qualify? I mean, the Babylonian empire was puny by modern standards. I can think of several empires that were at least as large and thus should logically qualify as a "fifth empire", and a sixth or a seventh. What about the Byzantines? The Seljuks? Ottomans? The friggin huge Mongol empire, for God's sake? China, at many points in its history? Pretty much any European country during the age of colonialism, especially Britain? Nazi Germany? The United friggin States of America itself?

Basically I'm trying to say that if you're looking for a physical, human "fifth empire" that logically follows that of the Romans, well, there are already about a dozen. Which means saying none of those qualify puts a really arbitrary standard on it.
Don't forget Russia. :)

This is the problem with apocalyptics. They are so anxious for their prophecies to come true -- and to deliver the big payoff, which seems to be the only reason they stick with their religion -- that every single political expansion and/or natural disaster that can conceivably be made to fit the scenario gets tagged as the trigger event. Only it isn't, so they have start all over again with the next one and so on and so on, ad nauseum.

*ahem*
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10887256&postcount=67

How'd that "parasite" rant go again, my master? ;)


side note...it says you are offline..but you are still posting?

http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/statue/86/nwoplanbibprop.htm#
shoudl be very useful to you.

What you should understand that the NWO, was originally based on past religious happenings. Read All of this if you are devoted to the subject

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

For the future, the NWO, and the groups that make up the NWO have two goals ultimately in mind (the great secrets). Preserve the history of their religion, and quicken the future of prophecy - so that God may return.

I guess you don't realize that during this time no one is safe. Polluted water, diseases amuck, wars constantly (using heavy weaponary), famine, the worst natural disasters, and other crap...its not a pretty thing to try and survive.
Neither were both world wars, the Middle Ages, or the past, oh, say, 200 years in Africa. But people manage. I never said it would be fun, but hey, 7 years flies by like nothing. I can't believe I've already been in Boston that long.

side note...it says you are offline..but you are still posting?
I'm a ghost. For some reason, the forums transmuted me last year at some point, and even though i have a digital medium (harhar) i am apparently not entirely corporeal.

*ahem*
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10887256&postcount=67

How'd that "parasite" rant go again, my master? ;)
Jealous of our credit, are we, much? Why don't we just call it a mutual assistance society? :p

Neither were both world wars, the Middle Ages, or the past, oh, say, 200 years in Africa. But people manage. I never said it would be fun, but hey, 7 years flies by like nothing. I can't believe I've already been in Boston that long.


well those events were limited to certains spots. But in this time period it is world wide, and no one will be able to hide. the bible says that like 2/3 of the worlds population will be killed.. When has that every happened before in human history?

I'm a ghost. For some reason, the forums transmuted me last year at some point, and even though i have a digital medium (harhar) i am apparently not entirely corporeal.


Impressive, I wish I could be a forum phantom ;)

Impressive, I wish I could be a forum phantom ;)
I'd help you out if i were actually a useful entity. :)
As is, i can't even sig. I don't think i have a location either, other than the 2001-green mile.

I might be able to fix some, but meh.

Jealous of our credit, are we, much? Why don't we just call it a mutual assistance society? :p
Jealous? Not me. I'd have to have some standard of ego to do that. We both know that's not my place. ;)
Sure, a MAS would work well.
Heck, if The Keyi can be a plurality (as well as myself, as i've obviously alluded to in the past), why can't we?

I used to call this endeavour the "grace of the mutual onanophile" (*patent pending*). Perhaps i was correct in the figurative sense.

well those events were limited to certains spots. But in this time period it is world wide, and no one will be able to hide. the bible says that like 2/3 of the worlds population will be killed.. When has that every happened before in human history?
The Black Plague was reputed to have killed 1/3 of the world. And if just two of the natural disasters I named -- the Yellowstone caldera and the Canary Islands blowing up -- happen, that could easily kill 100s of millions if not billions, as the caldera could take out most of the western US, and the mega-tsunami from the Canary Islands collapsing into the sea is predicted to be capable of wiping out the entire North American eastern seaboard with barely 4 hours' notice. You are aware, are you not, that pressure is building under both Yellowstone and the Canary Islands. Also, Vesuvius is rumbling so much, vulcanologists expect it could blow at any moment leaving over 8 million people with just 5 highways to evacuate on. And after that, there's Mt. Ranier, which is also overdue for a major eruption and could take out all of Seattle.

You might call it prophecy of the second coming. I call it life on planet Earth. Welcome to it.

EDIT: PS: My mom and I are planning a vacation to Naples, in the shadow of Vesuvius, this year. We're thinking about her retiring there. We're both of the opinion that dying in a volcanic eruption in Naples, Italy would be the second best of all possible deaths. I just hope it doesn't blow before we get there.

I call it life on planet Earth. Welcome to it.

"My friend sent me a postcard with a satellite picture of the entire earth.
On the back it said, 'Wish you were here.'"
-- Steven Wright

Jealous? Not me. I'd have to have some standard of ego to do that. We both know that's not my place. ;)
Sure, a MAS would work well.
<snip>
Done and done. You won't regret it, pal. I'm such uplifting company -- viz. my post 105. :cool:

"My friend sent me a postcard with a satellite picture of the entire earth.
On the back it said, 'Wish you were here.'"
-- Steven Wright
Brilliant!!! :D :D :D

Right, well, I'm off for the night. Ta 'till tomorrow -- unless the end comes and I sleep through it. :)

Done and done. You won't regret it, pal. I'm such uplifting company -- viz. my post 105. :cool:
Uplifting in the Juan de Fuca/tectonic sense?

I can't believe you don't want my P.104 finish as the charter. Or perhaps you do, but coveted it.

Brilliant!!! :D :D :D
My favourite comedian. I saw him in Bellingham, WA when i lived down there. He's awesome live.
Here for one (not all are his, of course):
http://www.weather.net/zarg/ZarPages/stevenWright.html

I have almost all of his "I Have A Pony" album memorized.

Right, well, I'm off for the night. Ta 'till tomorrow -- unless the end comes and I sleep through it. :)
Same. Nasdravlje. *bows*

Oh really? Show the SPECIFIC instances of that.
Do it.
I'm calling you on it.
Show the "scripture" where it actually says that.

And don't throw "Revelation" at me, since that was a fever dream of an already outcast psychopath. It states very clearly that it was a vision and nothing more.
Tick ...
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...tock.

The end of times came and went already. Don't you remember back in 1984 when Peter, Ray, Winston and Egon busted Gozer's ass on top of a tower in New York?

The end of times came and went already. Don't you remember back in 1984 when Peter, Ray, Winston and Egon busted Zhuul's ass on top of a tower in New York?
Nimble lil' minx, ain't she?

Nimble lil' minx, ain't she?It's the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man! *runs in terror*
http://www.whatacharacter.com/p-s/s0102082.JPG

It's the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man! *runs in terror*
http://www.whatacharacter.com/p-s/s0102082.JPG
Wow, he certainly doesn't appear menacing ... looks like he wants a hug!

Dr Ray Stantz: I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never ever possibly destroy us. Mr. Stay Puft!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Nice thinkin', Ray.

Wow, he certainly doesn't appear menacing ... looks like he wants a hug!

Dr Ray Stantz: I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never ever possibly destroy us. Mr. Stay Puft!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Nice thinkin', Ray.
Venkman We've been going about this all wrong, this Mr. Stay Puft's okay, he's a sailor, he's in New York, we get this guy laid we won't have any trouble.

The best summation of the NWO is given by Alex Jones starting at 47:00 on this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1557513752286923372&q=jon+ronson&pl=true


Most cogent 2-minute explanation of it i've ever heard.

And I thought the NWO was simply the global economic hegemony of the US, after the collapse of the USSR.

Wait a second, there's a new world order?!

since the bible has always been a source of propaganda and the new world order it seems that if u are going to investegate on side u should investegate the other too be fair

Venkman We've been going about this all wrong, this Mr. Stay Puft's okay, he's a sailor, he's in New York, we get this guy laid we won't have any trouble.
You know, i've never committed all the consequence of that particular line of thought until right now :eek:
I think Sarkhaan would have a funny anecdote about sex with angry marshmallows.
Or i would, but i'll give him the first shot at the story. :D