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Ya know how gay marrage isn't legal? Well what if there were 2 gay guys, one gets a sex change, can they legaly tie the knot?

Imagine their disappointment and embarrassment if each one independently decides to get a sex change without consulting the other. It would be like a bizarre twist on O. Henry's Gift of the Magi.

Probably. But this probably sucks for one of them who might just plain love the cock.

Ya know how gay marrage isn't legal?
Depends where you live.

Well what if there were 2 gay guys, one gets a sex change, can they legaly tie the knot?
Again, depends where you live. If the country legally recognises transexuals as their new sex then I wouldn't see why not.

but imagine how degrading that must feel. for a gay/lesbian person to have to undergo intense (not to mention expensive) surgery and hormonal therapies JUST for the government to recognise his/her commitment to his/her partner.

what has this world come to?

Quite apart from the question fo whether or not they could- what does that have to do with finding a loophole concerning the gay marriage question?

Right now, I feel kinda optimistic, so I'll just assume that you do not think that a sex change is an option for a homosexual person in order to obtain a marriage with their partner. That is, that you don't think a sex change is a funny little thing one considers over breakfast.

yes and no

there are actually married couples in the US at this time where the former husband declared he wanted to be a woman, got a sex change, and the couple never got divorced. so they are a legally married same sex couple

the trouble is, his wife isnt a lesbian so they no longer have a sexual relationship of any kind.

i cant see a loving gay couple having such an investment in the legal niceties that they would go for genital mutilation in order to be allowed to go through the ceremony. and why would the non-sexchange partner be interested in the woman his partner has become? if he wanted a woman, he would have dated one to begin with.

a loophole that no one uses isnt much of a loophole now is it.

and

you need to watch more oprah before you decide that you have come up with a unique idea.

Ya know how gay marrage isn't legal? Well what if there were 2 gay guys, one gets a sex change, can they legaly tie the knot?

Um, no. How your body looks at the time of marriage does not determine your gender. Your gender is determined at birth by what you keep in your pants, and, if it's not clear from that, then a genetic sample can be taken to determine the gene sequence - XX/XY. You don't change your gender with a sex op, you change the appearance of your gender. A man with his balls lopped off is not a woman, regardless of how feminine he looks!

tbh there should be no need for this loop hole tbh i see no problem in gay marriage however i am open to opinion so if someoen wants to show me a disadvantage to it then shoot away

i cant see a loving gay couple having such an investment in the legal niceties that they would go for genital mutilation in order to be allowed to go through the ceremony.

Genital mutilation?

Um, no. How your body looks at the time of marriage does not determine your gender. Your gender is determined at birth by what you keep in your pants,
No, it's not. Gender is a psychological thing, you must mean sex, which is physical.

and, if it's not clear from that, then a genetic sample can be taken to determine the gene sequence - XX/XY.
Or even XXY, or XYY, or XO.

Before we get into men born with XX chromosones, or women born with XY chromosones...

Chromosones aren't the be all and end all of sex.

Genital mutilation?
what? you dont know that sex change involved the removal of the penis and testes?

if you are a true transsexual, its not mutilation, its making things right. if you cut it all off for politics, its mutilation.

same as if a woman has a cancerous breast removed vs a woman who has a breast removed so she can score better in archery competitions.

Ya know how gay marrage isn't legal? Well what if there were 2 gay guys, one gets a sex change, can they legaly tie the knot?

That would still be marrying a woman, which gay men don't want to do, unless they need a beard.

what? you dont know that sex change involved the removal of the penis and testes?

if you are a true transsexual, its not mutilation, its making things right. if you cut it all off for politics, its mutilation.

same as if a woman has a cancerous breast removed vs a woman who has a breast removed so she can score better in archery competitions.
Well, fair enough. Just wouldn't have been my choice of words :)

No, it's not. Gender is a psychological thing, you must mean sex, which is physical.

Or even XXY, or XYY, or XO.

Before we get into men born with XX chromosones, or women born with XY chromosones...

Chromosones aren't the be all and end all of sex.

Actually, X and Y chromosomes genetically determine your gender from the moment of conception. Before a couple even know they're pregnant, the baby has already been genetically determined to be male or female. Yes, there are chromosomal abnormalities, such as XXY, usually these people have the outward appearance of being one gender but feel that they are another. XYY people are usually male, the presence of the Y chromosome causes male genitalia to form in the uterus, so having an extra Y chromosome I don't think makes a difference to your gender.

Being gay means that you are born with normal chromosomes, but the way that your brain is wired up is slightly different from other children of the same gender. Also being gay doesn't mean that you have any desire to change your gender, feeling as though your a man/woman trapped in a woman/man's body does, and people who are gay and have had sex change ops often report that men to women changed their preference from men to women and vice versa.

Oh, for me, gender=sex, but I feel that there are no hard and fast rules about anything in this world, and it's best to just choose what feels right for you...

Oh, BTW, I never heard of XO, please explain, is that just with one X chromosome?

Also, just because I want my brains fucked out, doesn't mean I want to be a woman.

It all depends where in the world you are, Gay unions are know legal in England, so they can get married anyway.

If they are in a country where gay marrage is still not llegal then it is unlikely that a sex change is a loop hole. On the trans-sexuals birth certificate it will still have their birth gender, which means that it would still be a same sex union.

It all depends where in the world you are, Gay unions are know legal in England, so they can get married anyway.

That's not marriage.

Um, no. How your body looks at the time of marriage does not determine your gender. Your gender is determined at birth by what you keep in your pants, and, if it's not clear from that, then a genetic sample can be taken to determine the gene sequence - XX/XY. You don't change your gender with a sex op, you change the appearance of your gender. A man with his balls lopped off is not a woman, regardless of how feminine he looks!
You're wrong on many accounts.

As Nadkor already pointed out, there's a difference between gender (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=gender)(psychological) and sex (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sex)(physiological).

Secondly, a sex change OP does indeed change your sex, and this will also be legally recognized, with most countries issueing a new birth certificate etc.

So, if a person is of female gender, she is a woman, no matter whether her "balls are lopped off" or not; and a sex change OP will change her body and, if she applies for it, her legal documentation as well to reflect that fact.

Actually, X and Y chromosomes genetically determine your gender from the moment of conception.
Sex.

And no, they don't.

Like with XY Females (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swyer_syndrome) and XX Males.

Yes, there are chromosomal abnormalities, such as XXY, usually these people have the outward appearance of being one gender but feel that they are another. XYY people are usually male, the presence of the Y chromosome causes male genitalia to form in the uterus, so having an extra Y chromosome I don't think makes a difference to your gender.
Y chromosones do not always cause male genitalia to form.

and people who are gay and have had sex change ops often report that men to women changed their preference from men to women and vice versa.
I don't believe that for a second.

Oh, for me, gender=sex, but I feel that there are no hard and fast rules about anything in this world, and it's best to just choose what feels right for you...

No, gender = psychological characterstics, sex = physical characteristics


Oh, BTW, I never heard of XO, please explain, is that just with one X chromosome?
It's proper name is Turner Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome)

if gay marriage is legal, what would be a good argument against brothers marrying amongst themselves? i mean, there is no chance of them breeding possibly disabled children, so why forbid it?

if gay marriage is legal, what would be a good argument against brothers marrying amongst themselves? i mean, there is no chance of them breeding possibly disabled children, so why forbid it?

Talk about an off-topic red herring.

Yah....i think the idea is THEY LOVE THE COCK. I don't think the whole "Get married today, by chopping off your penis!" bit is going to sell.

Ya know how gay marrage isn't legal? Well what if there were 2 gay guys, one gets a sex change, can they legaly tie the knot?
Probably, and then after could they get a re-sex change? :fluffle:

Novice']Probably, and then after could they get a re-sex change? :fluffle:
wanna test that theory? :fluffle:

Ya know how gay marrage isn't legal? Well what if there were 2 gay guys, one gets a sex change, can they legaly tie the knot?

No, because in most countries gender change does not affect legal gender except in very specific cases (multi gender persons whose development is opposite of their prescribed birth gender) those few countries that allow changed in gender to affect legal gender also allow gay marriage or something sufficiently close to it.