NationStates Jolt Archive


Truth

Colin World
23-02-2006, 03:11
I'm tired of people hiding behind political correctness and 'sensitivity'. Why don't people just tell it like it is, good or bad?
Moustopia
23-02-2006, 03:13
Partly because they don't want to be bitched at. Also because they don't want to hurt someone's feelings. I generally don't care to much about being politcally correct, though I seem to do it naturally...
UberPenguinLandReturns
23-02-2006, 03:14
I do. People who don't state thier opinions because it can hurt others feelings suck. Unless your dealing with someone who suffers from depression(or are otherwise prone to suicide/self-mutilation), or your opinion incites violence, just tell them.
Neu Leonstein
23-02-2006, 03:15
Your post topic is stupid, as are you. You're also fat, unattractive and your mother doesn't love you. But I love her.

Joking - just in case you really didn't know...
Pantygraigwen
23-02-2006, 03:16
I'm tired of people hiding behind political correctness and 'sensitivity'. Why don't people just tell it like it is, good or bad?

Human beings have developed things called "tact", "diplomacy" and the like. These are not actually pussy things for "hiding" anything, but important survival tools that developed when society moved out of the state of clans where everyone is inter-related and violent occurences were held in check by familial ties to the state we have today (and have had for a good few thousand years) where we mingle with strangers daily.

Besides, politeness never hurt anyone.
UberPenguinLandReturns
23-02-2006, 03:16
Whatever. And yes, I am fat. How did you know?

EDIT: I don't insult people for the fun of it, but in a debate, I don't hold back just to be nice. I don't use personal insults either.

EDIT 2: Unattractive too? 2/3, not bad.
Peechland
23-02-2006, 03:17
Human beings have developed things called "tact", "diplomacy" and the like. These are not actually pussy things for "hiding" anything, but important survival tools that developed when society moved out of the state of clans where everyone is inter-related and violent occurences were held in check by familial ties to the state we have today (and have had for a good few thousand years) where we mingle with strangers daily.

Besides, politeness never hurt anyone.

Manners never go out of style.
Colin World
23-02-2006, 03:17
Your post topic is stupid, as are you. You're also fat, unattractive and your mother doesn't love you. But I love her.

Joking - just in case you really didn't know...

I'm so glad you didn't hide behind the cloud of sensitivity.:D

That's the kind of crap I expect from people (although, I'd appreciate it more if you knew me).
Pantygraigwen
23-02-2006, 03:19
Manners never go out of style.

Precisely. Bad Manners, however, went out of style with the end of the early '80s ska revival, and it was only when the monstrousity that was No Doubt revived that horror that i even remembered they existed in the first place.
Neu Leonstein
23-02-2006, 03:21
And yes, I am fat. How did you know?
...
Unattractive too? 2/3, not bad.
It's the internet. Probability was on my side...:D
Colin World
23-02-2006, 03:23
Human beings have developed things called "tact", "diplomacy" and the like. These are not actually pussy things for "hiding" anything, but important survival tools that developed when society moved out of the state of clans where everyone is inter-related and violent occurences were held in check by familial ties to the state we have today (and have had for a good few thousand years) where we mingle with strangers daily.

Besides, politeness never hurt anyone.

I find it more painful when others attempt to 'spare my feelings'. I prefer blunt honesty: both in the sense of giving and recieving, I find the truth to be better at motivating improvement than tact.
Peechland
23-02-2006, 03:26
I find it more painful when others attempt to 'spare my feelings'. I prefer blunt honesty: both in the sense of giving and recieving, I find the truth to be better at motivating improvement than tact.

There's a difference. If you and I are shopping and you try on a pair of pants that you really like, and you asked me "do these make me look fat?" I will tell you honestly what I think. Doesnt mean I have to be rude or insulting about it. I would tell you the truth....tactfully. I wouldnt say "hey those look great! get two pair!" if in fact they made you look like a whale.
Pantygraigwen
23-02-2006, 03:29
I find it more painful when others attempt to 'spare my feelings'. I prefer blunt honesty: both in the sense of giving and recieving, I find the truth to be better at motivating improvement than tact.

Fair enough. Personally i do enjoy a bit of civility and try to show it to others. And i suppose the codification of laws and the growth of civil authority has made that particular evolutionary survival technique somewhat redundant. But...yanno...i just kinda prefer it to screaming and yelling and offensiveness (because you do know that the whole thing about "blunt honesty" is as much - if not more - about the givers state of mind and self image than it is about any desire to improve the reciever?)
Colin World
23-02-2006, 03:33
There's a difference. If you and I are shopping and you try on a pair of pants that you really like, and you asked me "do these make me look fat?" I will tell you honestly what I think. Doesnt mean I have to be rude or insulting about it. I would tell you the truth....tactfully. I wouldnt say "hey those look great! get two pair!" if in fact they made you look like a whale.

[QUOTE=Pantygraigwen]Fair enough. Personally i do enjoy a bit of civility and try to show it to others. And i suppose the codification of laws and the growth of civil authority has made that particular evolutionary survival technique somewhat redundant. But...yanno...i just kinda prefer it to screaming and yelling and offensiveness (because you do know that the whole thing about "blunt honesty" is as much - if not more - about the givers state of mind and self image than it is about any desire to improve the reciever?)[.QUOTE]

I agree that rudeness is not cool, but just because you're being honest, doesn't mean you're being rude. And, it depends on the person's opinion: what you might not find rude might offend the hell out of me.
Pantygraigwen
23-02-2006, 03:42
[QUOTE=Pantygraigwen]Fair enough. Personally i do enjoy a bit of civility and try to show it to others. And i suppose the codification of laws and the growth of civil authority has made that particular evolutionary survival technique somewhat redundant. But...yanno...i just kinda prefer it to screaming and yelling and offensiveness (because you do know that the whole thing about "blunt honesty" is as much - if not more - about the givers state of mind and self image than it is about any desire to improve the reciever?)[.QUOTE]

I agree that rudeness is not cool, but just because you're being honest, doesn't mean you're being rude. And, it depends on the person's opinion: what you might not find rude might offend the hell out of me.

True, but thats where your empathy for other human beings comes in. We might all know that telling someone their mother was a whore (even if she was) would offend them. We might have to stop and imagine for a millisecond what it is like to be - say - a Christian or a Muslim before we realise that telling them that there is no god and they are deluding themselves might actually be a bit offensive. Basically, the inability to show (and act upon) empathy in my eyes marks the difference between children and adults. Children have sympathy in buckets, show them a picture of a crying person and they'll go "aww, she's crying". It's when they start to understand why exactly it is she cries, and what that crying feels like that they start to develop emotional and intellectual maturity.
New Isabelle
23-02-2006, 03:43
Your post topic is stupid, as are you. You're also fat, unattractive and your mother doesn't love you. But I love her.

Joking - just in case you really didn't know...


oooh for a minute there i thought you were deep kimchi.... my bad
Colin World
23-02-2006, 03:50
[QUOTE=Colin World]

True, but thats where your empathy for other human beings comes in. We might all know that telling someone their mother was a whore (even if she was) would offend them. We might have to stop and imagine for a millisecond what it is like to be - say - a Christian or a Muslim before we realise that telling them that there is no god and they are deluding themselves might actually be a bit offensive. Basically, the inability to show (and act upon) empathy in my eyes marks the difference between children and adults. Children have sympathy in buckets, show them a picture of a crying person and they'll go "aww, she's crying". It's when they start to understand why exactly it is she cries, and what that crying feels like that they start to develop emotional and intellectual maturity.

I think you're reasoning is flawed, as there is no way to prove that God does or does not exist. The empathic ramifications of declaring one or the other are not relevant. A grown adult could look at the same picture of a person crying and say the exact same thing: you're not giving any background information.
Pantygraigwen
23-02-2006, 03:54
[QUOTE=Pantygraigwen]

I think you're reasoning is flawed, as there is no way to prove that God does or does not exist. The empathic ramifications of declaring one or the other are not relevant. A grown adult could look at the same picture of a person crying and say the exact same thing: you're not giving any background information.

We are talking in generalities (as are you about your blunt honesty request and your attacks on "sensitivity"), but the point is, the god existing one way or the other is someones true opinion, yah? Whether or not it can be proven, you are saying "You should always speak up and say what you believe in a situation".

And no, you don't see my point with regards to children. Children have not as yet developed the mental awareness to see other people in any respect aside from "how they make me feel".
Andaras Prime
23-02-2006, 03:59
What is the truth Agent Mulder?
Colin World
23-02-2006, 04:00
We are talking in generalities (as are you about your blunt honesty request and your attacks on "sensitivity"), but the point is, the god existing one way or the other is someones true opinion, yah? Whether or not it can be proven, you are saying "You should always speak up and say what you believe in a situation".

And no, you don't see my point with regards to children. Children have not as yet developed the mental awareness to see other people in any respect aside from "how they make me feel".

I'm not attacking opinion or sensitivity (sensitivity in a certain sense): I find people are cornered by sensitivity into thinking that it is better to utter lies and be sensitive than to tell the truth and be labled as 'bad'. And as for the children/adult arguement, I think it's weak as you aren't giving enough information to decide anything other than "how they feel".
PasturePastry
23-02-2006, 06:33
Truth is like a rock: in and of itself, it just is, but when it is hurled at someone in malice, then it can cause injury.