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when was the last time to you think that America's leaders didn't act corrupt? the last 3 have done at least one thing horribly history book wrong. any ideas when we had a government that wasn't lying or out for itself?

my vote is August 1492.

Naw, the Aztecs were pretty corrupt...all that killing to enrich the leaders of the state.

No such thing as a non-corrupt government. Fool.

Did you just figure this out? Every single leadership position, whether it's a fascist dictatorship, democracy or communist dictatorship, is corrupt in one way or another.

nah, i was zoned out in spanish and we were talking about invading panama back in the early 90s and i just tried to think of an american president that didn't do something horribly wrong.

nah, i was zoned out in spanish and we were talking about invading panama back in the early 90s and i just tried to think of an american president that didn't do something horribly wrong.

Find me someone, Anyone, who hasn't done something horribly wrong sometime in their life.

Presidents are bound to do something wrong. It just varies how badly things turn out (how horribly wrong they were) and how good they are at dealing with it afterwards.

Jimmy Carter was probably the most moral President in the last 100 years. Everyone worked to undercut him.

Jimmy Carter was probably the most moral President in the last 100 years.
And he fucked everything up. Never mix morality and business, you'll end up doing the wrong thing aanyway and lose money to boot.

Naw, the Aztecs were pretty corrupt...all that killing to enrich the leaders of the state.

Yeah, but they fed the protein from those ritualistic sacrifices to the poor.

Find me someone, Anyone, who hasn't done something horribly wrong sometime in their life.

Presidents are bound to do something wrong. It just varies how badly things turn out (how horribly wrong they were) and how good they are at dealing with it afterwards.

There's screwing up and then there's getting your own chapter in history books screwing up, as the OP noted.

Do you personally know anyone who is going to have even a paragraph dedicated to them in a history book 100 years from now?

America is in need, like every nation in this world, of a Fascist government.

The worst mistake many nations made in the entire history of humanity was to oppose the march to progress that occured in Europe from 1922-45.

The European New Order that existed during wartime Europe was the highest level of progress we ever achieved.

Democracy is corrupt for the simple reason that without corruption it would not function and without corruption you CANNOT have a democracy.

Do you personally know anyone who is going to have even a paragraph dedicated to them in a history book 100 years from now?
My vote goes to Danny Bonaduce on this one.

America is in need, like every nation in this world, of a Fascist government.

The worst mistake many nations made in the entire history of humanity was to oppose the march to progress that occured in Europe from 1922-45.

The European New Order that existed during wartime Europe was the highest level of progress we ever achieved.

Democracy is corrupt for the simple reason that without corruption it would not function and without corruption you CANNOT have a democracy.


you sound like my Neo Nazi cousin:gundge:

America is in need, like every nation in this world, of a Fascist government.

The worst mistake many nations made in the entire history of humanity was to oppose the march to progress that occured in Europe from 1922-45.

The European New Order that existed during wartime Europe was the highest level of progress we ever achieved.

Democracy is corrupt for the simple reason that without corruption it would not function and without corruption you CANNOT have a democracy.
So, I see you're intellectually challenged.

Naw, the Aztecs were pretty corrupt...all that killing to enrich the leaders of the state.
But that's not corruption, they were supposed to be that way. It's not like they promised different in their campaign.

Do you personally know anyone who is going to have even a paragraph dedicated to them in a history book 100 years from now?

Actually, I believe I might. However, that is future conjecture. A friend of mine's 14 year old daughter is a truly amazing human being. I believe her to be destined for great things.

As for anyone else, nah. I hang out with nobodies. I like nobodies.

Although somewhere, somehow, the whole of NationStates General will have a paragraph in history, so I suppose maybe I know a collective. :D

And he fucked everything up. Never mix morality and business, you'll end up doing the wrong thing aanyway and lose money to boot.
Carter lost on 3 issues. 1. Interest rates--set by the Fed. 2. National Debt--reached $1 trillion. Reagan made an issue of it. Reagan then tripled it in just 8 years. 2. Hostages in Iran. Interesting they were held until Reagan was in office. Then Reagan sold Iran all the weapons they wanted. (Selling weapons to the enemy, can anyone say treason?) Rumored that Bush negotiated with Iran so they would be held. Conspiracy anyone?

During WWII. That was the singular moment in history when all of America was united and had one goal. And when the greatest president ever was in office, FDR.

Corruption is to be found in any organisation with a standard expenses form.

America is in need, like every nation in this world, of a Fascist government.

The worst mistake many nations made in the entire history of humanity was to oppose the march to progress that occured in Europe from 1922-45.

The European New Order that existed during wartime Europe was the highest level of progress we ever achieved.

Democracy is corrupt for the simple reason that without corruption it would not function and without corruption you CANNOT have a democracy.

(1) No it isn't
(2) No, it wasn't
(3) You are having a laugh
(4) What we have today described as "democracy", you may have a point. But not the ideal, no.

(1) No it isn't
(2) No, it wasn't
(3) You are having a laugh
(4) What we have today described as "democracy", you may have a point. But not the ideal, no.
Not to support the crazy neo-nazi poster, but if ideals were what mattered the entire world would probably be communist by now.

Not to support the crazy neo-nazi poster, but if ideals were what mattered the entire world would probably be communist by now.

Oh, i agree (and what a wonderful world personally i think that would be), however, he does have a point about the current state of democracy, it's a sham perpetrated by corrupt big business and their placemen, and in thrall to the status quo. It's been that way...well, in the US for a long time, probably Nixon, maybe earlier, and in the UK most definitely since Thatcher. All power is being leeched away from the electorate into the hands of corporations who then fund their own puppets to power who then reward the corporations who then fund...etc. Repeat ad infinitum.

The solution (if you believe democracy deserves a solution, which i do, even if i don't like the capitalist framework it exists in) would be to limit private funding of political parties and candidates. Specifically from business. Then maybe we'd get someone at least standing on a level playing field who could holler a bit more.

What we don't need is some infantile yearning for the glories of mussofuckinglini.

Carter lost on 3 issues. 1. Interest rates--set by the Fed. 2. National Debt--reached $1 trillion. Reagan made an issue of it. Reagan then tripled it in just 8 years. 2. Hostages in Iran. Interesting they were held until Reagan was in office. Then Reagan sold Iran all the weapons they wanted. (Selling weapons to the enemy, can anyone say treason?) Rumored that Bush negotiated with Iran so they would be held. Conspiracy anyone?

Actually, Carter's Federal Reserve appointee ultimately tamed the inflation of the 70's that made Reagan's boom possible, and he deserves credit for that.

Not to support the crazy neo-nazi poster, but if ideals were what mattered the entire world would probably be communist by now.

the irony is it would be a comunistic democracy (a true democracy not to be confused with republic democracy) where everyone would work for the greater good, and everyone would have a say in everything.

And he fucked everything up. Never mix morality and business, you'll end up doing the wrong thing aanyway and lose money to boot.
Except he wasn't a businessman; he was President. My personal favourite President, as it happens. He was a perfect counterpart to the late Pierre Elliot Trudeau. I doff my hat to Mr. Carter.

Wotta guy.

All governments are corrupt. The question is how corrupt are they. The last two administrations (Bill and W) have seemed to be very self-interested.