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Ok... I have not been able to keep up the expences of paintball. I can't afford high-grade ammunition, improvements to my gun, or even Co2 every week! So one day, a freind handed me an automatic gun, that shot 20 gram plastic pellets, and it was hell FUN! Sure it's not as thrilling as paintball, but costwise, im happy with 18 bucks for 5000 pellets. Also, these guns can fire if you get the right one. Right now, im a total n00b to the sport, so I have a pathetic full-auto Crossman Pulse R70 (http://www.crosman.com/site/listing/1287) and it's not a bad gun. Anyway, airsoft is generally, 1/4 the cost of paintball, even the higher quality weapons and ammunition. Anyway.... what do you think of "paintballs younger sister." A big argument is that it is a pussy version of paintball. And I agree...to a point. I play paintball when I can, but airsoft is just much more practical for weekly skirmishes.

Questions to replyers:

1: What is you airsoft setup?
2: What do you think of it?
3: Saves money...but is it worth it?

Interesting... I love paintball, but my marker was broken (cracked the body) when I fell down a ravine at my cousin's bach party in Cali... I've had to use rentals ever since cause I can't afford to buy a new one right now. At this point Airsoft was just a pistol thing my friend from school had that we'd shoot each other with while drunk... but I think they may have something here... that gun looks hella sweeter than any paintball marker I've seen

How far/fast (what fps) do those bad boys shoot at?

Ever played out in the woods with em?

I am intrigued

Sorry, I prefer to spend my money on actual firearms, not kids toys

Sorry, I prefer to spend my money on actual firearms, not kids toys

Yes, but unless you are in the military or are Dick Cheney you go to jail for shooting other people with real guns...

wait, are you Dick Cheney?

*runs and hides*

Airsofters are corpulent wannabes, and paintballers are lame.

If you want to play with guns, get real ones and go to the nearest war.

I am not a fan of "playing" at war. Dressing up like some special forces guy and shooting plastic pellets at each other and striking poses so your lame friends can remember the moment in pictures is incredibly stupid.

I had NO trouble at all enlisting, getting sent off to war as an infantryman, and getting a chance to kill people (and have them shoot at me).

They even pay you a paltry sum, feed you, and give you clothing, weapons, and equipment.

In today's world, there's no shortage of competent opponents, and no shortage of targets.

Lame - just lame.

It's never a good idea to "pretend" you're having a war - either you're in one or you're not.

Yes, but unless you are in the military or are Dick Cheney you go to jail for shooting other people with real guns...

woah there, dick cheney didnt get off of going to jail, alot of people shoot people in hunting accidents and dont go to jail, accidents happen.

but as for this thread, both are fun, airsoft you can sometimes not even feel get shot by if your wearing enough clothes and it is only for those that would admit to being shot. its not a game you would play with someoen you dont trust so much.

Airsofters are corpulent wannabes, and paintballers are lame.

If you want to play with guns, get real ones and go to the nearest war.

I am not a fan of "playing" at war. Dressing up like some special forces guy and shooting plastic pellets at each other and striking poses so your lame friends can remember the moment in pictures is incredibly stupid.

I had NO trouble at all enlisting, getting sent off to war as an infantryman, and getting a chance to kill people (and have them shoot at me).

They even pay you a paltry sum, feed you, and give you clothing, weapons, and equipment.

In today's world, there's no shortage of competent opponents, and no shortage of targets.

Lame - just lame.

It's never a good idea to "pretend" you're having a war - either you're in one or you're not.

Wow what an asshat. Paintballs doesn't necessarily mean you are pretending you are at war it is a game like any game. Yes, it involves air powered guns and shooting them at people, so? If you can't handle the fact that some people have fun without killing people you are pretty pathetic. A lot of soldiers play paintball in their civilian lives as well.

By the way football is lame because you try to knock people down but don't kill them. If you want to do that you should just go to war and stab Iraqis like a real man. Fucking jackass.

Lazer tag must make you grow a vagina.

Lazer tag must make you grow a vagina.

it does, my cousin played once, he has never been the same again.

reminds me of an "American Dad" episode

I have never participated in a paintball or airsoft fight...

I wanna :(

Interesting... I love paintball, but my gun was broken (cracked the body) when I fell down a ravine at my cousin's bach party in Cali... I've had to use rentals ever since cause I can't afford to buy a new gun right now. At this point Airsoft was just a pistol thing my friend from school had that we'd shoot each other with while drunk... but I think they may have something here... that gun looks hella sweeter than any paintball gun I've seen

How far/fast (what fps) do those bad boys shoot at?

Ever played out in the woods with em?

I am intrigued


Well I got into it, and never came out of this fad. the Fps is usually 150-400. If you really want to get into airsoft, you have to check out this site! http://www.shortyusa.com/ I am looking into the UTG AK-47 WarHawk AEG Airsoft Rifle myself. BTW, i'd advise against gas (expense, once again) or spring (crap) AEG are the way to go. They are basically electric, semi-auto or full. They may not have the power of a gas gun, but they sure can spit those pellets out! If you are to get a spring gun DO NOT get a pistol, because...well....they suck. Hardball shotguns are the only way to go, for spring guns. They are single pump, small, and good for CQC. Bout the woods...yes! The only way to go is in wooded areas. Sice the trees usually cut down the wind, it make you r line of fire much more accurate. Whats hard is telling where some1 is firing from, due to these guns having reduced noise. FUN though.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/fat.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/cheetos.jpg

Here's another fat airsofter whose mother still makes his bed...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/DSCN0146.jpg

Here's another fat airsofter whose mother still makes his bed...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/DSCN0146.jpg


LOLZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!

OMG ...is he in his grandmothers bathroom?

I airsoft, a fair amount. I enjoy it yes, and I mainly use it for honing strategic skills and just for a bit of mindless fun... But in no way am I the devout Airsofter who weighs 300 pounds and rolls around the battlefield in U.S. Special Forces camo.

Paintball never caught on with me... Too few stores around where I live.

P.S. For anyone who's been around long enough to remember me... I'm back!

Airsofters are corpulent wannabes, and paintballers are lame.

If you want to play with guns, get real ones and go to the nearest war.

I am not a fan of "playing" at war. Dressing up like some special forces guy and shooting plastic pellets at each other and striking poses so your lame friends can remember the moment in pictures is incredibly stupid.

I had NO trouble at all enlisting, getting sent off to war as an infantryman, and getting a chance to kill people (and have them shoot at me).

They even pay you a paltry sum, feed you, and give you clothing, weapons, and equipment.

In today's world, there's no shortage of competent opponents, and no shortage of targets.

Lame - just lame.

It's never a good idea to "pretend" you're having a war - either you're in one or you're not.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Stop "pretending" you're the leader of a nation and form your own, real dictatorship!

Now, back to topic. I think Airsoft is much cooler, because you play with actual gun replicas and don't have to clean your clothes after every match. :p

Now, I don't know where you heard Paintball is more expensive than Airsoft. I think it's the other way round. Gun replicas cost around 400 USD (a good H&K G36 replica costs $476), and counting in gear, ammo and gadgets the cost can easily go into the thousands.

Airsofters are corpulent wannabes, and paintballers are lame.

If you want to play with guns, get real ones and go to the nearest war.

I am not a fan of "playing" at war. Dressing up like some special forces guy and shooting plastic pellets at each other and striking poses so your lame friends can remember the moment in pictures is incredibly stupid.

I had NO trouble at all enlisting, getting sent off to war as an infantryman, and getting a chance to kill people (and have them shoot at me).

They even pay you a paltry sum, feed you, and give you clothing, weapons, and equipment.

In today's world, there's no shortage of competent opponents, and no shortage of targets.

Lame - just lame.

It's never a good idea to "pretend" you're having a war - either you're in one or you're not.


...yawn...

Did you ever play soldiers as a little kid? or do you think that kids to should be sent to war too if they want to do so? I'm sorry if other people having fun playing a game makes you so angry... maybe you just need to get laid... or realize that if people wanted to go to real war they would join up, as you did, and if they want to pretend, they can play paintball and airsoft or run around saying "I got you" or "No you didn't, I got you first" (do you remember childhood?). From those pics you posted, I agree, many of the paintballers I have played have been overweight - makes them easier targets and they don't run as fast. I have no idea where you get your animosity. Please do elaborate.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Stop "pretending" you're the leader of a nation and form your own, real dictatorship!

Now, back to topic. I think Airsoft is much cooler, because you play with actual gun replicas and don't have to clean your clothes after every match. :p

Now, I don't know where you heard Paintball is more expensive than Airsoft. I think it's the other way round. Gun replicas cost around 400 USD (a good H&K G36 replica costs $476), and counting in gear, ammo and gadgets the cost can easily go into the thousands.


Lol but it's not like they are better. Just pay 130$ and get an Ak online, with a 350 round clip full auto, and metal. Or for 60$ a Pulse R70 that fires full auto and is extremely reliable.

I was considering buying an airsoft on the recommendation of a friend. It may be useful in the upcoming gang battle next year.

I was considering buying an airsoft on the recommendation of a friend. It may be useful in the upcoming gang battle next year.

Nothing can beat the old cue ball in a sock in a good gang fight.

I find all this mocking of airsofters as being fat ironic. Given that I airsoft, and all of the guys I airsoft with are lean fellows. On the contrary, the paintballers, with their pink paintball guns, who always feel the urge to spray their loads all over everything with no regard for other peoples' property, that I see every day airsofting, are almost all, without exception, overweight.

Umm who the fuck cares if they are overweight or not? It's always unreasonable to classify all people who play a game as overweight or not. I thought we all learned this shit about stereotypes in third grade. The whole thing was brought up by Kimchi who can't have fun unless he's killing someone apparently. Relax. I used to play paintball a good amount and none of the regular friends I played with were overweight. But if they were I would have killed them of course because that is what real men do (right Kim?)

More fat...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/gunman7hw.jpg

and even more fat...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/dontworry.jpg

Maybe he just secretly hates fat people because he envies them...

Airsofters are corpulent wannabes, and paintballers are lame.

If you want to play with guns, get real ones and go to the nearest war.

I am not a fan of "playing" at war. Dressing up like some special forces guy and shooting plastic pellets at each other and striking poses so your lame friends can remember the moment in pictures is incredibly stupid.

I had NO trouble at all enlisting, getting sent off to war as an infantryman, and getting a chance to kill people (and have them shoot at me).

They even pay you a paltry sum, feed you, and give you clothing, weapons, and equipment.

In today's world, there's no shortage of competent opponents, and no shortage of targets.

Lame - just lame.

It's never a good idea to "pretend" you're having a war - either you're in one or you're not.


Back in your lane and stop whining (flaming?), Kimchee.

Airsoft is a lot of fun, its like hiking but more fun.

As to why people who play airsoft dont join the military, I can only speak for myself, and the answer is that I have other priorities.

I have a Marui AK47 "beita" with wood furnishings and a CA33E with nice aftermarket internals.

I may end up selling both of them to get a STAR L85, but they're brand new and I'm going to wait and see on both the reliability and the availability of secondhand ones.

As for the price, I've spent almost a thousand dollars on airsoft related things, and I'm pretty new at it.

A lot of the airsofters here have expensive rigs and expensive guns with expensive accessories like eotech and aimpoint sights.

Not to mention travel and lodging expenses for events like Irene and Lion Claws.

90% chance I'm going to LCV :D

Back in your lane and stop whining (flaming?), Kimchee.

Some people are just born to be sarcastic and cruel, what can you do, besides spray their homes with paintballs? :D

I myself used to play in a field with a few friends, I have an aging Spydr Imagine but I hardly use it anymore. In Florida, there's not a whole lot of legal arenas to choose from.

Some people are just born to be sarcastic and cruel, what can you do, besides spray their homes with paintballs? :D

I myself used to play in a field with a few friends, I have an aging Spydr Imagine but I hardly use it anymore. In Florida, there's not a whole lot of legal arenas to choose from.


Well I really only object to saying bad things about airsoft...

It isnt so much that airsoft is paintball's "younger sister," it's more than paintball is airsoft's hillbilly slob in-law / meth addict cousin.

Nothing is more despicable than gracing a paintball joint with our presence and letting them admire our guns and then getting pink slime on our nice gear on account of slamming against a wall for cover.

Lol but it's not like they are better. Just pay 130$ and get an Ak online, with a 350 round clip full auto, and metal. Or for 60$ a Pulse R70 that fires full auto and is extremely reliable.

Lol...

You can buy your off-brand airsoft LPEG's with 150 fps, and try to play airsoft. Maybe get a good twenty yards before the pellets veer off course.

However, to say that the good guns like TM and CA rifles aren't better is incredulous. These LPEGs are very unreliable, as opposed to the AEG's made with high quality metal parts, as opposed to the mostly plastic internals of LPEGs.

A $280 or so basic TM gun has a stock FPS of about 250, and thats the low end of fps. Put in a stronger spring, as well as reinforced bushings, and you can easily get it up to 350-400fps, plus much better accuracy, especially if you use a tigher-bore barrel and higher-weight pellets(like .25).

Right now, all I have is an A-15 Springer, that fires at 280 or so fps, un-upgraded. Its pretty much the best springer you can get at 80 dollars(some places it costs more, but I got mine for 80). However, once I can find a new job, I will be buying a CA SLR105 a1. The body is mostly metal, its about 320fps out of the box, which is just fine for skirmishes. Buy a couple magazines for it, a decent battery, and it will obliterate any LPEG or unupgraded TM gun out of the water, and it will cost me around $350. However, the gun will last me a long time, so costs over time will be low. Buying an automatic gun under 200 dollars is a complete waste, unless its like a 40 dollar gun to fuck around with friends(though a few decent LPEGs are coming out, they are worthless in skirmishing still).

Airsoft gets expensive when you go all out. You can have a basic load, and still have lots of fun(Get some fatigues, a CA870 shotgun and a KWC pistol, and a bunch of .20s, and you can play for a long time with many people. You could play with AEG skirmishers with a CA870, though you wouldn't do that well.

Look at www.redwolfairsoft.com, www.uncompany.com, and www.airsoftatlanta.com to see what real airsoft is like. While the first two aren't the best priced places, you can see some of the better stuff there. Airsoft atlanta is a personal favorite place, but there are a number of other places to buy. When I buy, I might just go down to antioch, and browse the store there.

Any california/bay area airsofters here?

Lol...

You can buy your off-brand airsoft LPEG's with 150 fps, and try to play airsoft. Maybe get a good twenty yards before the pellets veer off course.

However, to say that the good guns like TM and CA rifles aren't better is incredulous. These LPEGs are very unreliable, as opposed to the AEG's made with high quality metal parts, as opposed to the mostly plastic internals of LPEGs.

A $280 or so basic TM gun has a stock FPS of about 250, and thats the low end of fps. Put in a stronger spring, as well as reinforced bushings, and you can easily get it up to 350-400fps, plus much better accuracy, especially if you use a tigher-bore barrel and higher-weight pellets(like .25).

Right now, all I have is an A-15 Springer, that fires at 280 or so fps, un-upgraded. Its pretty much the best springer you can get at 80 dollars(some places it costs more, but I got mine for 80). However, once I can find a new job, I will be buying a CA SLR105 a1. The body is mostly metal, its about 320fps out of the box, which is just fine for skirmishes. Buy a couple magazines for it, a decent battery, and it will obliterate any LPEG or unupgraded TM gun out of the water, and it will cost me around $350. However, the gun will last me a long time, so costs over time will be low. Buying an automatic gun under 200 dollars is a complete waste, unless its like a 40 dollar gun to fuck around with friends(though a few decent LPEGs are coming out, they are worthless in skirmishing still).

Airsoft gets expensive when you go all out. You can have a basic load, and still have lots of fun(Get some fatigues, a CA870 shotgun and a KWC pistol, and a bunch of .20s, and you can play for a long time with many people. You could play with AEG skirmishers with a CA870, though you wouldn't do that well.

Look at www.redwolfairsoft.com, www.uncompany.com, and www.airsoftatlanta.com to see what real airsoft is like. While the first two aren't the best priced places, you can see some of the better stuff there. Airsoft atlanta is a personal favorite place, but there are a number of other places to buy. When I buy, I might just go down to antioch, and browse the store there.

Any california/bay area airsofters here?


UNcompany is a great site, I've bought several times from them.

You should get an slr 105 NOW.

A guy here had one, hell of a gun. You can drop an m120 spring in it no problem, but get a tightbore too. No reason in the world to charge your CA's battery before putting an m120 in it :D

UNcompany is a great site, I've bought several times from them.

You should get an slr 105 NOW.

A guy here had one, hell of a gun. You can drop an m120 spring in it no problem, but get a tightbore too. No reason in the world to charge your CA's battery before putting an m120 in it :D

Ohh, of course. M120 and 6.03 barrel are pretty much as standard to buy as a battery and charger ^_^

If I had the money, I would certainly buy it now. Sadly, I need a job. I gotta start paying for car insurance, and I plan on moving out soon, so I won't have too much expendable cash anymore. But, I have a grace period the next few months to buy shit like this.

I plan to get this, and a nice 40 dollar spring pistol for backup. Also some mags for this, and maybe a sight kit for it.

So we can all agree, in the end, that airsoft is great? (good, ok, fine,)

Ohh, of course. M120 and 6.03 barrel are pretty much as standard to buy as a battery and charger ^_^

If I had the money, I would certainly buy it now. Sadly, I need a job. I gotta start paying for car insurance, and I plan on moving out soon, so I won't have too much expendable cash anymore. But, I have a grace period the next few months to buy shit like this.

I plan to get this, and a nice 40 dollar spring pistol for backup. Also some mags for this, and maybe a sight kit for it.


A springer is not useful for backup, spend that 40$ on extra mags for your AEG.

Spring pistols have no place in a serious airsoft game, and GBB pistols are only really useful in pistols-only games, which are rare and short.

An optical sight is a complete waste of money if you're on a budget.

A springer is not useful for backup, spend that 40$ on extra mags for your AEG.

Spring pistols have no place in a serious airsoft game, and GBB pistols are only really useful in pistols-only games, which are rare and short.

An optical sight is a complete waste of money if you're on a budget.

A springer is fine as a backup, as opposed to nothing. Guns can misfire, batteries run out, etc. Would rather have something small, cheap, capable of firing BB's, as opposed to nothing. Also fun for plinking around the house, which me and my friends will be doing alot of.

An optical sight is not a waste of money, unless I have to forego another gun for it. This isn't the case here.

Here's another fat airsofter whose mother still makes his bed...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/DSCN0146.jpg
Bahahaha. Oh God, that's brilliant.

I'd say airsoft and Paintball cost about the same in the long run.

Sure you can buy just a good 100 dollar airsoft gun or two, but if you really play then you'll want two ways, cammo and other extra gear. whereas A good marker (AKA paintball gun for non-players) can cost between 500 and two thousand dollars. but extras are minimal, and if you find a good course that will let you play with outside paint then your golden.

All in all I prefer paintball because for one thing its more established and there are always people to play. and for another, paint doesn't lie, In airsoft its all honor system, which is all good and fine but one jackarse who won't go down can ruin an entire day of playing. Whereas in paintball you can always call a paint check, and if someone is consistently ruining your games, you can just ditch him/her and pick some one else up to take up the slack pretty easily.

I'd say airsoft and Paintball cost about the same in the long run.

Sure you can buy just a good 100 dollar airsoft gun or two, but if you really play then you'll want two ways, cammo and other extra gear. whereas A good marker (AKA paintball gun for non-players) can cost between 500 and two thousand dollars. but extras are minimal, and if you find a good course that will let you play with outside paint then your golden.

All in all I prefer paintball because for one thing its more established and there are always people to play. and for another, paint doesn't lie, In airsoft its all honor system, which is all good and fine but one jackarse who won't go down can ruin an entire day of playing. Whereas in paintball you can always call a paint check, and if someone is consistently ruining your games, you can just ditch him/her and pick some one else up to take up the slack pretty easily.

Most people play on established teams, where individuals are usually regulated by their teammates, and kicked out if they are known to not be honorable. Many fields also have judges, who will kick people out who cheat. Its not a very common thing, as far as I have seen.

As for costs, you have to realize most airsoft costs are one time. After you buy everything, you pretty much only need BB's(cheap as hell), electricity to charge your gun, and silicone to clean it every once in a while. Paintballs and gas will quickly drive up the paintball bill in the longrun.

Questions to replyers:

1: What is you airsoft setup?
2: What do you think of it?
3: Saves money...but is it worth it?


I play airsoft in North Carolina and South Carolina. There are several hundred people involved with the sport with more joining every day. I freaking love playing. I have two games coming up this weekend and a big mil/sim game will be held in New Kent, VA in the middle of April.

MY WEAPONS
I have 2 AEG's one is a Classic Army M15A4 (aka M4) the other is a Tokyo Marui H&K G36C. I have a gas blowback H&K 9mm semi-auto pistol.

MY GEAR
I have two sets of camos woodlands & Army ACU's (digital). I have a gear vest w/holster. Two hi-cap mags for my M4 and two hi-caps mags for my G36C. I use KSC .20g bb ammo which is very high quality. Goggles for eye protection and a balaclava which I use mostly for face protection and good looks.

FUTURE PURCHASE
Tokyo Marui AK74 Spetsnaz and of course different types of camos like German Flektarn.

COST BREAKDOWN
Good AEG (electic) guns will run you about $250 on up. Tokyo Marui is one of the best companies and very reliable. You'll need a battery and charger for your gun. $35 for the battery and $10 for a basic charger. You'll need an extra magazine or two. I recommend hi-cap mags which will run you about $40 a piece. You'll need ammo which should be about $15 for a bag of 4,000 or 5,000 count quality bb's. You'll need goggles or shooting glasses $20. Camoes will run you about $50 - $90 which you can get at any Army/Navy store. I recommend gloves because getting hit in the fingers can hurt like a bitch. You may want to buy a balaclava to protect your teeth. I don't like full face masks because they can be uncomfortable.

Of course you'll want to upgrade your weapon and there are tons of ways to do that (rail system attachments like: forward grips, flash lights, scopes, grenade launches etc.), but what I listed above is all the basics you'll need to get started.

The following websites might help you out with more information:

www.ncairsoft.org
www.scairsoft.net
www.airsoftatlanta.com <<< this is a great store for buying guns/gear
www.redwolfairsoft.com <<<this company is based in Hong Kong and their prices are cheaper if you plan on buying a lot gear

I hope this helps you get more involved in the sport. If you have any questions let me know. I'm Panzermensch on both the NC and SC sites. Email me if you'd like.

Any california/bay area airsofters here?


Are you familiar with the airsoft group Dept. of Control?

Originally Posted by New Ausha

Questions to replyers:

1: What is you airsoft setup?
2: What do you think of it?
3: Saves money...but is it worth it?


1.
TM Beretta M93r AEP
TM g36c AEG
Maurzen P99 NBB

2.
Fantastic. If your ever in london come down to our local site, you will never look back ;)

3. It only theoretically saves money. The fact is that buying the guns is addictive, and you will spend a LOT. However it is definately worth it, completely. I used to play paintball, but now I have seem the light :p

Not sure about the legal status of Airsoft in Australia, but don't have the time anyway.

We'll i'm into the sport, but i'm not gonna get carried away. No optical sights, or full camo, just a gun, ammo, and my killing instincts.

Airsofters are corpulent wannabes, and paintballers are lame.

If you want to play with guns, get real ones and go to the nearest war.

I am not a fan of "playing" at war. Dressing up like some special forces guy and shooting plastic pellets at each other and striking poses so your lame friends can remember the moment in pictures is incredibly stupid.

I had NO trouble at all enlisting, getting sent off to war as an infantryman, and getting a chance to kill people (and have them shoot at me).

They even pay you a paltry sum, feed you, and give you clothing, weapons, and equipment.

In today's world, there's no shortage of competent opponents, and no shortage of targets.

Lame - just lame.

It's never a good idea to "pretend" you're having a war - either you're in one or you're not.

Dude, paintball is pure fun. I'm not going to risk my life in god-knows-where just to shoot someone. All we want is to have a good time without risk or worry, and that's worth the expense ;)

And yet, how many paintball/airsofters are anti-gun?

Ever wondered why?

Maybe it has somthing to do with the mentality of ostensibly adult individuals "playing" at shooting people.

When your only experience with a "gun" is one you use to shoot people with I can certainly see how people get the warped notion that guns are only good for shooting people.

IMO if you want to shoot at reactive targets, go to a reactive target firing range (often called a "Hogan's Alley").

Learn that firearms are tools and not toys and behave accordingly.

Airsofters are corpulent wannabes, and paintballers are lame.

If you want to play with guns, get real ones and go to the nearest war.

I am not a fan of "playing" at war. Dressing up like some special forces guy and shooting plastic pellets at each other and striking poses so your lame friends can remember the moment in pictures is incredibly stupid.

I had NO trouble at all enlisting, getting sent off to war as an infantryman, and getting a chance to kill people (and have them shoot at me).

They even pay you a paltry sum, feed you, and give you clothing, weapons, and equipment.

In today's world, there's no shortage of competent opponents, and no shortage of targets.

Lame - just lame.

It's never a good idea to "pretend" you're having a war - either you're in one or you're not.

Wow... just wow.

Thing is, it's way more fun to shoot people with my airsoft guns than, say, with my m-14. Y'know, what with murder being a crime, and all.

Are you just against fun that doesn't involve killing things? (Yes, I know, stupid question)

Like someone posted earlier: Football is lame because you tackle people instead of killing them!

And yet, how many paintball/airsofters are anti-gun?

Ever wondered why?

Maybe it has somthing to do with the mentality of ostensibly adult individuals "playing" at shooting people.

When your only experience with a "gun" is one you use to shoot people with I can certainly see how people get the warped notion that guns are only good for shooting people.

IMO if you want to shoot at reactive targets, go to a reactive target firing range (often called a "Hogan's Alley").

Learn that firearms are tools and not toys and behave accordingly.

Oh yes, and I'd like to add that I treat airsoft guns as if they were real; proper gun safety and everything. At least until the game starts... I've got a nice collection of firearms, along with my few airsoft guns, and I know how to use them.

Please don't generalize. Most people realize that airsoft guns are not real guns. Really.

Why do pro-gun folks hate airsoft/paintball? I just don't get it..

Wow... just wow.

Thing is, it's way more fun to shoot people with my airsoft guns than, say, with my m-14. Y'know, what with murder being a crime, and all.

Are you just against fun that doesn't involve killing things? (Yes, I know, stupid question)

Like someone posted earlier: Football is lame because you tackle people instead of killing them!
The point is, we do not LIKE to kill people - largely because we are trained to do it and it is often necessary. We therefore think it is inappropriate to PRETEND to kill people.

Pretending to kill people is just not fun to someone who both knows and understands killing.

Our firearms are tools. When we have "fun" with our tools it is in a safe, not aggressive way - i.e. shooting paper targets at long ranges or "tin cans" (reactive targets) at close ones. Even shooting at cardboard posters of real people is considered, by most gun owners, to be "bad form". Most of us would not even shoot at a poster of Hillary. (Hitler usually gets an exemption to the "do not shoot" rule.

When we DO use targets representing (generic) humans, they are exclusively "armed hostile" targets.

The problem we have is with the attitude that "Play Guns are OK". How else do you think little kids get the idea that shooting people really doesn't hurt them? :headbang:

Please don't generalize. Most people realize that airsoft guns are not real guns. Really.Except the cops who shoot kids for "pretending" at the wrong place and the wrong time.Why do pro-gun folks hate airsoft/paintball? I just don't get it..
Because airsoft/paintball types give real gun owners a bad name. Because Combat Vets get really pissed at punks playing GI-Joe with BBguns and pretending they're all-that while not putting themselves up for Military Service.

For the same reason we dislike the geebs at "Soldier of Fortune" conventions.

Because when Guns were banned in Britian many folks said "Well there's always Airsoft"... but now they're trying to ban that too.

Get the picture?

Most people play on established teams, where individuals are usually regulated by their teammates, and kicked out if they are known to not be honorable. Many fields also have judges, who will kick people out who cheat. Its not a very common thing, as far as I have seen.

As for costs, you have to realize most airsoft costs are one time. After you buy everything, you pretty much only need BB's(cheap as hell), electricity to charge your gun, and silicone to clean it every once in a while. Paintballs and gas will quickly drive up the paintball bill in the longrun.

I went through 2000 rounds ($60) in about 5-6 hours playing 2on2 in a friends backyard.... but, when I get into a game, I can barely notice getting hit by a paintball, there's no way I'd notice an airsoft pellet, esp. if I'm wearing a coat...

The point is, we do not LIKE to kill people - largely because we are trained to do it and it is often necessary. We therefore think it is inappropriate to PRETEND to kill people.

Pretending to kill people is just not fun to someone who both knows and understands killing.

Our firearms are tools. When we have "fun" with our tools it is in a safe, not aggressive way - i.e. shooting paper targets at long ranges or "tin cans" (reactive targets) at close ones. Even shooting at cardboard posters of real people is considered, by most gun owners, to be "bad form". Most of us would not even shoot at a poster of Hillary. (Hitler usually gets an exemption to the "do not shoot" rule.

When we DO use targets representing (generic) humans, they are exclusively "armed hostile" targets.

The problem we have is with the attitude that "Play Guns are OK". How else do you think little kids get the idea that shooting people really doesn't hurt them? :headbang:

Your not a member of MAG are you? They are pressuring the Uk goverment to pass a bill called the VCR bill, that will make anything that could be mistaken for a gun by a member of the public illegal to buy or sell. So no glue guns, kid's cap guns, funky cigarette lighters, and no airsoft. Most airsofters are pro-gun because they know what it is to be descriminated against because of a harmless hobby.

Airsoft is a game. A game of team work, athletic fitness, and reflexes. You go up against other people in a battle that strikes at the heart of the human psyche. If I wanted a firearm I would join a gun club and get a real steel weapon (or I would in a couple of years). I don't. There is a major difference between the two. In a game I played last sunday, because it was getting boring the marshal shouted out to the green team (my team) that we would get 'hardcore points' if we did a suicidal charge on the red respawn point. One guy ran in screaming, tripped over a barrel, and fell flat on his face. It was bloody hilarious. Now those arn't the actions of someone wanting to get as close to killing someone as they can, it is someone having fun, and mucking around in a totally safe way. We do not emulate killing (it is something I would never contemplate) and real firearms often hold little interest for us. Why do you hate us for trying to look the part (as you seem to be objecting to the look of our bb projectors) while taking part in some harmless 'make-believe'?

Your not a member of MAG are you? They are pressuring the Uk goverment to pass a bill called the VCR bill, that will make anything that could be mistaken for a gun by a member of the public illegal to buy or sell. So no glue guns, kid's cap guns, funky cigarette lighters, and no airsoft. Most airsofters are pro-gun because they know what it is to be descriminated against because of a harmless hobby.

Airsoft is a game. A game of team work, athletic fitness, and reflexes. You go up against other people in a battle that strikes at the heart of the human psyche. If I wanted a firearm I would join a gun club and get a real steel weapon (or I would in a couple of years). I don't. There is a major difference between the two. In a game I played last sunday, because it was getting boring the marshal shouted out to the green team (my team) that we would get 'hardcore points' if we did a suicidal charge on the red respawn point. One guy ran in screaming, tripped over a barrel, and fell flat on his face. It was bloody hilarious. Now those arn't the actions of someone wanting to get as close to killing someone as they can, it is someone having fun, and mucking around in a totally safe way. We do not emulate killing (it is something I would never contemplate) and real firearms often hold little interest for us. Why do you hate us for trying to look the part (as you seem to be objecting to the look of our bb projectors) while taking part in some harmless 'make-believe'?
No I am not a member of MAG, and, believe it or not, I am not anti-Airsoft/Paintball.

What I am against is the attitude I see from many many toy-gun afficianados that their hobby is a good replacement for mine because the implements look similar. I am against the attitude that i see from many toy-gun gamsters that their play-wars give them the right to talk trash about combat.

Let's put the training issue into perspective: I went to Basic at 17. When at the UNI, I joined ROTC with a bunch of other guys who had also been to Basic Infantry Training. We formed a Ranger Challange group tonot only compete against other school's ROTC units, but to give us a competitive presence against the Frats.

One of the Frats hosted a Paintball Competition at a large outdoor setup in the wooded scrub of Oklahoma.

Oh but weren't the frat boys g'd up wit the fancy gear. Constant air, big hoppers, the works. We borrowed a few Sheridan Pumps and some basic markers.

Stealth, aimed fire and trained tactics. We all came back with balls in our guns and the Frat Flags without being marked... after marking every fratboy in the field. And yet, we were not "cool". We didn't do "cool" (i.e. tactically stupid/unsafe) techniques. We didn't have "cool" equipment (we wore issue BDUs). We didn't run, shoot and scream like maniacs. We simply shot our opponents and moved on.

All in all, we found the whole event to be kind of tedious and the Paintballers to be boorish louts.

It's not the game. It's the attitude.

Airsoft is a game. A game of team work, athletic fitness, and reflexes. You go up against other people in a battle that strikes at the heart of the human psyche.

To put words in other's mouths, what I think the general complaint is is of the ones that take the hobby 'too' seriously and do act like badasses because of it. They give the hobby a bad name in general and present the stereo-type that they are the majority.

Two examples:

The "King of the Hill" episode where Hank et al have issues w/ the guys that effectively control the paint-ball lot.

Military re-enacting: There are those that take it so seriously they start believing they are Civil War/WWII/etc. military and generally irritate everyone else.

I've met both kinds.

I have an air-soft AK. I use it to target shoot in my den. I would like to get into paintballing but have no time or extra cash.

1: What is you airsoft setup? I have a spring AK47 Spetsnaz
2: What do you think of it? It's fun. With paintball, you have to go to a field and pay high prices, but with airsoft, I can do it anywhere and anytime I want.
3: Saves money...but is it worth it? Yes, both are good.

What's up with the gun nuts not liking airsoft? I myself own 2 fricken assault rifles. They just want to sound supperior. :rolleyes:

All in all, we found the whole event to be kind of tedious and the Paintballers to be boorish louts.

It's not the game. It's the attitude.

Oh, good. I was right.

1: What is you airsoft setup? I have a spring AK47 Spetsnaz
2: What do you think of it? It's fun. With paintball, you have to go to a field and pay high prices, but with airsoft, I can do it anywhere and anytime I want.
3: Saves money...but is it worth it? Yes, both are good.

What's up with the gun nuts not liking airsoft? I myself own 2 fricken assault rifles. They just want to sound supperior. :rolleyes:

No, it's just that some of them (us) have dealt w/ people that believe they are commandoes because of the game. It tends to create a bias.

Paintball guns just look so retarded.

Airsoft guns kicks ass, my friend has one that models a glock and it is fun as hell.

What's up with the gun nuts not liking airsoft? The attitude that we are Gun Nuts for owning/wanting to own real firearms rather than Toys.I myself own 2 fricken assault rifles. They just want to sound supperior. :rolleyes:I own NO assault rifles. Only a Shotgun, 2 black powder rifles and a few pistols. So much for that theory.

No I am not a member of MAG, and, believe it or not, I am not anti-Airsoft/Paintball.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood you, please accept my apologies.

What I am against is the attitude I see from many many toy-gun afficianados that their hobby is a good replacement for mine because the implements look similar. I am against the attitude that i see from many toy-gun gamsters that their play-wars give them the right to talk trash about combat.

I don't understand how someone can see paintball as a replacement for the millitary. Seems we are in agreement on this.

Let's put the training issue into perspective: I went to Basic at 17. When at the UNI, I joined ROTC with a bunch of other guys who had also been to Basic Infantry Training. We formed a Ranger Challange group tonot only compete against other school's ROTC units, but to give us a competitive presence against the Frats.

Sounds good, much like the training weekend down at my local site (although on a different scale), where members of the met and ex-army are coming down to give some instructions of CQB methods; room clearing, fire support etc.

One of the Frats hosted a Paintball Competition at a large outdoor setup in the wooded scrub of Oklahoma.

Oh but weren't the frat boys g'd up wit the fancy gear. Constant air, big hoppers, the works. We borrowed a few Sheridan Pumps and some basic markers.

Stealth, aimed fire and trained tactics. We all came back with balls in our guns and the Frat Flags without being marked... after marking every fratboy in the field. And yet, we were not "cool". We didn't do "cool" (i.e. tactically stupid/unsafe) techniques. We didn't have "cool" equipment (we wore issue BDUs). We didn't run, shoot and scream like maniacs. We simply shot our opponents and moved on.

BDUs are what most airsofters use. Also a lot of real tactics are used, because with airsoft they are the most effective (although you do get the occasional suicide charge :p ).

All in all, we found the whole event to be kind of tedious and the Paintballers to be boorish louts.

There does seem to be a slightly different attitude among paintballers, I would assume due to the fact that it is more a sport than a hobby.

It's not the game. It's the attitude.

I agree entirely.

I have an air-soft AK. I use it to target shoot in my den. I would like to get into paintballing but have no time or extra cash.
Now there's a use for AirSoft I can get into.

Always better to practice with somthing with the same feel.

The attitude that we are Gun Nuts for owning/wanting to own real firearms rather than Toys.I own NO assault rifles. Only a Shotgun, 2 black powder rifles and a few pistols. So much for that theory.

Interestingly enough, while I consider my airsoft and bb guns to be 'toys" , I'm using them as training aids for teaching my kids gun safety. (they're 2 1/2).

BTW. I thought you owned more long guns than that?

I played Paintball for a pretty damn long time at Camouflage Paintball.

Then I went to my local Airsoft site called Ground Zero (http://www.groundzeroairsoft.co.uk/)

The grounds were far, far bigger, there was more emphasis on tactics, you did not run out of ammunition every half an hour, and I hired an AK-47 (made of METAL) and looked like a terrorist! Yay!

IMHO, Airsoft is superior and cheaper to paintball. There is a more mature player base, as opposed to the little kids that turn up at paintnall, and a game lasts an entire day and is not split into 30 minute rounds. Also, contrary to popular opinion, BBs DO hurt; especially if they hit you in a fingernail, and most AEGs have quite a long range, almost certainly longer than any paintball gun. Also Ground Zero has teams, clans in you like, who play matches on a regular basis. It is a very friendly atmosphere there and I enjoy it.

Unfortunately, some idiots who know nothing about the actual sport itself are trying to get it banned under the Violent Crimes Reduction Bill. They seem to think that the mature, controlled and heavily regulated running of the vast majority of Airsoft sites in some way leads to more violent crimes being committed. This is just plain misguided and wrong. Had they bothered to ascertain the fact that most people that go to Airsoft are 17 years +, or at least are at that level of maturity, they would have discovered there are not many people that are impressionable and will think it is ok to shoot a real gun at someone.
Airsoft is just a fun activity and does not promote violence.

Interestingly enough, while I consider my airsoft and bb guns to be 'toys" , I'm using them as training aids for teaching my kids gun safety. (they're 2 1/2).Good job - though I tend to go for the "fear of recoil" method. :D
BTW. I thought you owned more long guns than that?
Well, I DO always seem to forget the Remington Target .22... :rolleyes:

But no, other than the Mossberg (with 3 barrels), the Remington and the NEF Muzzleloader I'm short on longarms right now.

A springer is fine as a backup, as opposed to nothing. Guns can misfire, batteries run out, etc. Would rather have something small, cheap, capable of firing BB's, as opposed to nothing. Also fun for plinking around the house, which me and my friends will be doing alot of.

An optical sight is not a waste of money, unless I have to forego another gun for it. This isn't the case here.


I've never heard of anyone getting shot by a spring pistol at an airsoft game.

Plinking around the house is one thing, but it isnt a viable sidearm, and sidearms are barely viable weapons at all in an actual game.

Optical sights (even ACOGs and EOtechs and things like that) are basically cosmetic in airsoft. Ranges are never so long that iron sights are unsuitable.

You're much much much better off spending the 100-200$ a worthwhile sight and mount for it would cost on internal upgrades for the gun, or a gas pistol, if you're intent on having a sidearm.

Good job - though I tend to go for the "fear of recoil" method. :D

For my nephew (8ish) I used a melon about the size of his head and my K98.

For now, I'm pushing the "Getting them accustomed to the noise/sight/feel while stressing "Don't Touch w/o mommy or daddy."".

Except the cops who shoot kids for "pretending" at the wrong place and the wrong time.
Because airsoft/paintball types give real gun owners a bad name. Because Combat Vets get really pissed at punks playing GI-Joe with BBguns and pretending they're all-that while not putting themselves up for Military Service.

For the same reason we dislike the geebs at "Soldier of Fortune" conventions.

Because when Guns were banned in Britian many folks said "Well there's always Airsoft"... but now they're trying to ban that too.

Get the picture?

Ok. I understand where you're coming from now. I respect your opinion, and as a gun owner myself, I agree with you that many airsoft/paintball players do give real gun owners a bad name.

I think I just misunderstood you.

I myself have no illusions about airsoft pertaining to real combat, and hold a fair amount of disdain against those people whom you are referring to. Many of my relatives have served in the army (and engaged in real combat), although I haven't, and am not planning on it.

Ok. I understand where you're coming from now. I respect your opinion, and as a gun owner myself, I agree with you that many airsoft/paintball players do give real gun owners a bad name.

I think I just misunderstood you.

I myself have no illusions about airsoft pertaining to real combat, and hold a fair amount of disdain against those people whom you are referring to. Many of my relatives have served in the army (and engaged in real combat), although I haven't, and am not planning on it.
Well, (non puppet) Generalites DO tend to be mature enough to tell the difference... ;)

I just have issues with "bang-bang you're dead" games. Most people who have ever had to really shoot at people do. :(

Edit: This is also why I don't participate in "Cowboy Action Shooting"...

Many airsoft games here are restricted to those over the age of 18, something inconceivable in paintball.

Many people, myself included, view airsoft as a hobby rather than as a sport.

This is because airsoft is not competitive in the sense of 'team versus team' and it is rarely taken into account who 'wins' a game.

This helps keep airsoft decent and civilized, especially in comparison to paintball.

Kids complain a lot that they arent permitted to come to games, but the rules are there for a reason - both to shield organizers from liability and to ensure that our games are enjoyable.

Well, (non puppet) Generalites DO tend to be mature enough to tell the difference... ;)

I just have issues with "bang-bang you're dead" games. Most people who have ever had to really shoot at people do. :(


A decent proportion of airsofters here (and I assume elsewhere) are either current or former military personnel.

I'm not at all sure how many of them are combat vets, and quite sure that some of the loudmouths among them are not, but the aversion does not seem to be universal.

Airosft can in a sense be seen as a bunch of people paying $1000+ for the privilige of playing the best first-person-shooter game ever invented. Take that however you like.

As a crazy college student with little or no money, we just go to wal-mart and buy the cheapo guns. While not as fun as paintball, it's still pretty good. Especially watching the reaction of someone who has just been shot after falling asleep.

Well, (non puppet) Generalites DO tend to be mature enough to tell the difference... ;)

I just have issues with "bang-bang you're dead" games. Most people who have ever had to really shoot at people do. :(

Edit: This is also why I don't participate in "Cowboy Action Shooting"...

Oh yeah.. I can understand that.

My grandfather participated in the Normandy landing and the Battle of the Bulge. He felt the same way you do.

Interestingly enough, while I consider my airsoft and bb guns to be 'toys" , I'm using them as training aids for teaching my kids gun safety. (they're 2 1/2).
Heh, in most countries you don't need to know how to handle firearms (or even own them) to feel safe.

God bless America.

PS: Sorry, couldn't help it. :p

Airosft can in a sense be seen as a bunch of people paying $1000+ for the privilige of playing the best first-person-shooter game ever invented. Take that however you like.
Which is why I would never think to ban it. :)

Heh, in most countries you don't need to know how to handle firearms (or even own them) to feel safe.

God bless America.

PS: Sorry, couldn't help it. :p

(wishes for a *rasberry* smiley)

(wishes for a *rasberry* smiley)

:confused:

:p

or

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/441.gif

Because airsoft/paintball types give real gun owners a bad name. Because Combat Vets get really pissed at punks playing GI-Joe with BBguns and pretending they're all-that while not putting themselves up for Military Service.

Get the picture?


I don't think you're getting the picture. The games I play in North Carolina consists of a large group of guys from out of Fort Bragg. Thats real US Army guys playing airsoft. A few are also vets one of them is heading back to Iraq soon. Plus there is my friend Tom from out of Charleston who is a Marine Corp vet and he also plays.

Im packing up my paintball gear now. Im hitting the road this weekend for a helluva good time.

Airosft can in a sense be seen as a bunch of people paying $1000+ for the privilige of playing the best first-person-shooter game ever invented. Take that however you like.


Or you can just sit at home in front of your computer/game console and play the myriad of first-person-shooter games that millions do already and get fat and lazy. At least with airsoft there is the exercise factor. After getting home from a day of playing airsoft I'm beat and I'm in pretty decent shape. It's a lot more fun than jogging/running.

Or you can just sit at home in front of your computer/game console and play the myriad of first-person-shooter games that millions do already and get fat and lazy. At least with airsoft there is the exercise factor. After getting home from a day of playing airsoft I'm beat and I'm in pretty decent shape. It's a lot more fun than jogging/running.


Yup, like I said in my first post, "hiking but more fun."

Paintball is exactly the same way though. You have to sprint in speedball, and in scenario or woodsball you need endurance and stamina.

Paintball is exactly the same way though. You have to sprint in speedball, and in scenario or woodsball you need endurance and stamina.


But how can you endure the laughter for playing speedball and all the smirks about that ludicrous way paintball kids hold their guns.

But how can you endure the laughter for playing speedball and all the smirks about that ludicrous way paintball kids hold their guns.
I dont play speedball. But I do have respect for the guys who do.

Well, I'm glad this thread somehow avoided becoming an incredible flame war. I commend those of you with opposing views for not going that route. It seems to me the problem is that those who have a bad view of airsoft and paintball hanve so because there really are shitheads out there who think they're hardcore and then go home and eat god knows how many twinkie's. However, there are those of us who do take it for what it is- a game- and don't play it- "bang bang you're dead." When I get hit by a paintball I don't fall down on the ground or die... I yell paintcheck and the ref comes over and often times I'm out. I go to the sidelines and wait for the game to end. I know it is nothing like real combat, which is something I never want to face. Just because I'm pretty good at paintball doesn't mean I think I wouldn't shit my pants if they were real bullets and not balls of paint flying at me.

Whoever first said it was like paying to play the best possible FPS game available was dead on... that's exactly what it is.

Nevertheless, there are Jimbob, Bud, and Junior who think that they are the shit cause they rocked the other team out in the woods - and they give a bad name not only to gun owners, paintballer, and airsofters, but to HUMANITY... but give us a break, cause there are those of us who love to play paintball because our knees kept us from playing sports beyond college or because as fun as Counterstrike is, it doesn't make me sweat the same...

So there's my bit, I love to play it and I know its a game... and when i do play I rent whatever marker (note NOT gun) they have there and play in some old hand-me-down BDUs and a t-shirt and I would never claim to be hardcore on the field of battle, cause I've never seen one...

Oh- and I love giving those fatties whose mommy and daddy bought their equipment welts in the love handles... good times

I don't think you're getting the picture. The games I play in North Carolina consists of a large group of guys from out of Fort Bragg. Thats real US Army guys playing airsoft. A few are also vets one of them is heading back to Iraq soon. Plus there is my friend Tom from out of Charleston who is a Marine Corp vet and he also plays.
There are exceptions to every rule. Mostly I'm on about the Teens/Tweens who cop a GI-Joe attitude. Gaming's fine, but I don't want to hear BTDT stories...

As for Grunts playing... I'm certainly cool with that. IMO that's as good as Red/Blue OPFOR Training, and is probably a hell of a lot more realisticly useful than MILES gear.

But I'll also wager the Grunt's don't cop a 'tude either. ;)

Well, I'm glad this thread somehow avoided becoming an incredible flame war. I commend those of you with opposing views for not going that route. It seems to me the problem is that those who have a bad view of airsoft and paintball hanve so because there really are shitheads out there who think they're hardcore and then go home and eat god knows how many twinkie's. However, there are those of us who do take it for what it is- a game- and don't play it- "bang bang you're dead." When I get hit by a paintball I don't fall down on the ground or die... I yell paintcheck and the ref comes over and often times I'm out. I go to the sidelines and wait for the game to end. I know it is nothing like real combat, which is something I never want to face. Just because I'm pretty good at paintball doesn't mean I think I wouldn't shit my pants if they were real bullets and not balls of paint flying at me.

Whoever first said it was like paying to play the best possible FPS game available was dead on... that's exactly what it is.

Nevertheless, there are Jimbob, Bud, and Junior who think that they are the shit cause they rocked the other team out in the woods - and they give a bad name not only to gun owners, paintballer, and airsofters, but to HUMANITY... but give us a break, cause there are those of us who love to play paintball because our knees kept us from playing sports beyond college or because as fun as Counterstrike is, it doesn't make me sweat the same... Oddly enough (?) I don't even play computer FPS games - except for Original Doom on my PDA. I just can't get into them. No recoil, no joy.

So there's my bit, I love to play it and I know its a game... and when i do play I rent whatever marker (note NOT gun) thank you, thank you, thank you... they have there and play in some old hand-me-down BDUs and a t-shirt and I would never claim to be hardcore on the field of battle, cause I've never seen one...

Oh- and I love giving those fatties whose mommy and daddy bought their equipment welts in the love handles... good times
Good on you. Thank you for your eloquence.

I certainly did not intend to flame the game on the whole, but more to rant about the few Morons involved. Then again, I rant against the idiots who shoot out roadsigns too... ;)

I've never heard of anyone getting shot by a spring pistol at an airsoft game.

Plinking around the house is one thing, but it isnt a viable sidearm, and sidearms are barely viable weapons at all in an actual game.

Optical sights (even ACOGs and EOtechs and things like that) are basically cosmetic in airsoft. Ranges are never so long that iron sights are unsuitable.

You're much much much better off spending the 100-200$ a worthwhile sight and mount for it would cost on internal upgrades for the gun, or a gas pistol, if you're intent on having a sidearm.

Or you could get off my back, and let me buy what I want... But both are good suggestions.

Or you could get off my back, and let me buy what I want... But both are good suggestions.


Just trying to give you a perspective from experience, in case you might otherwise make a buying decision you'd regret.

There are exceptions to every rule. Mostly I'm on about the Teens/Tweens who cop a GI-Joe attitude. Gaming's fine, but I don't want to hear BTDT stories...

As for Grunts playing... I'm certainly cool with that. IMO that's as good as Red/Blue OPFOR Training, and is probably a hell of a lot more realisticly useful than MILES gear.

But I'll also wager the Grunt's don't cop a 'tude either. ;)

They usually don't "cop a 'tude" as you so eloquently put it ;D and it's very useful to have some on your team. I usually listen to their suggestions and follow their lead.

As for the teens that get involved we don't let anyone under the age of 18 play without a signed release by their parents and absolutely no kids under the age of 16 are allowed to play. The few under twenty players we have are actually pretty damn good at the sport.

*I don't like those asshole hillbillies that shoot signs either. My damn tax money goes to pay for those signs. Just because it has a picture of a leaping deer on it doesn't mean it's a target.

Sorry, I prefer to spend my money on actual firearms, not kids toys
Comeon you should try

We love to deflate the bloated ego that comes with supposedly "gun savy" people

Comeon you should try

We love to deflate the bloated ego that comes with supposedly "gun savy" people
Plus there is some text on my paintball marker that says "Not a toy". :p

I dont play speedball. But I do have respect for the guys who do.
Yeah I am a woods ball man myself but the few times I went to a course I never saw so many superman impressions

Thoes that are good are fast and very situational aware

Plus there is some text on my paintball marker that says "Not a toy". :p
Lol that too

Its just so different from a real gun ... so many people come in with atitudes when they have shot a gun regularly

They usualy dont relize how doing target/animal shooting does not directly map to paintball skills

Lol that too

Its just so different from a real gun ... so many people come in with atitudes when they have shot a gun regularly

They usualy dont relize how doing target/animal shooting does not directly map to paintball skills
Well usually people who hunt and shoot targets generally do come in with a pretty big attitutde, which most wisely leave behind after the first couple of games I have noticed. Because in most cases, a deer will not shoot back at you.

Lol that too

Its just so different from a real gun ... so many people come in with atitudes when they have shot a gun regularly

They usualy dont relize how doing target/animal shooting does not directly map to paintball skills
Yah, the bloody things have a trajectory like a .45 squib load and no recoil. How do you expect a Real Man to shoot somthing that wimpy? ;)

Yah, the bloody things have a trajectory like a .45 squib load and no recoil. How do you expect a Real Man to shoot somthing that wimpy? ;)
Im not sure most people that describe them selfs as "real men" turn out to be surprisingly bad at adapting to situations that are "beneath" them.

Personally I find that a weakness


We like people like that ... fresh meat :)

Im not sure most people that describe them selfs as "real men" turn out to be surprisingly bad at adapting to situations that are "beneath" them.

Personally I find that a weakness


We like people like that ... fresh meat :)
We do:) .
UT have you ever done scenario paintball? Im thinking of making my way up to Oklahoma D-Day one year now that I live in Texas..

We do:) .
UT have you ever done scenario paintball? Im thinking of making my way up to Oklahoma D-Day one year now that I live in Texas..
Sure ... A few times ... more familiar with general woods ball but we have done a bit of scenario work

Sure ... A few times ... more familiar with general woods ball but we have done a bit of scenario work
My "home field (http://www.challengepark.com/paint_fields.asp)" had a great mix of pure woods, and themed woods.

Im not sure most people that describe them selfs as "real men" turn out to be surprisingly bad at adapting to situations that are "beneath" them.

Personally I find that a weakness


We like people like that ... fresh meat :)
As I said, I've done paintball to death using only a Sheridan Pump marker. It hit passe'/tedious for me in 1986. You have fun though. I'll stick to things with ME of 1000ftlbs or more.

As I said, I've done paintball to death using only a Sheridan Pump marker. It hit passe'/tedious for me in 1986. You have fun though. I'll stick to things with ME of 1000ftlbs or more.
Pfft thats why you have such a low opinion of paintball

Lol I also started in pump guns ... with 40 gram cartrages

God if I had not spent the money to move beyond that I would feel the same way

We do:) .
UT have you ever done scenario paintball? Im thinking of making my way up to Oklahoma D-Day one year now that I live in Texas..



Yea, those are VERY hard toi organize. Usually like 1/3 of the people do't show, and you always have a few guys begging everyone for ammo...

Anyway, we did a Stalingrad re-enactment. It was cool. The "nazi's" used MG-42's and snipers and most of the "communists" used assault rifles. Nazi's owned for some reason though...

Pfft thats why you have such a low opinion of paintball

Lol I also started in pump guns ... with 40 gram cartrages

God if I had not spent the money to move beyond that I would feel the same way
Nope. My opinion of paintball has nothing to do with the equipment and everything to do with the people I had the misfortune of playing with... that and "progressing" to shooting real people with real guns.

Somehow making a game out of life-and-death combat tactics just doesn't work for me anymore. (there are some really interesting markers these days though. I have adapted a constant air refillable tank for use as a computer "canned air" bulk unit... ;)

Nope. My opinion of paintball has nothing to do with the equipment and everything to do with the people I had the misfortune of playing with... that and "progressing" to shooting real people with real guns.

Somehow making a game out of life-and-death combat tactics just doesn't work for me anymore. (there are some really interesting markers these days though. I have adapted a constant air refillable tank for use as a computer "canned air" bulk unit... ;)
Lol personaly I just use a small colman bat air compressor with an air dryer designed for a spray gun ... its small and if pluged in can give me continuous output lol