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http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/21-02-2006/76236-India-0

This is a religion of peace and tolerence...I see.

http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/21-02-2006/76236-India-0

This is a religion of peace and tolerence...I see.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469918

Here you go. Enjoy yourself with some new knowledge that MAY, according to how strong your ignorance is, change your views (the last question may bring you some interest).

Anywho, it's the actions of people, not Islam.

Do not judge a religion on the actions of people that do not adhere to its tennents.

So its a minority of muslims, yes, we can all agree. But that said minority should a) not call them self muslim b) not say their idea of Islam is peace loving. Good enough for you? I'm at the point of calling Normal Islam and extremist islam two seperate things...but since they both call them selves Islam, what shall I label the latter?

So its a minority of muslims, yes, we can all agree. But that said minority should a) not call them self muslim b) not say their idea of Islam is peace loving. Good enough for you? I'm at the point of calling Normal Islam and extremist islam two seperate things...but since they both call them selves Islam, what shall I label the latter?
In any case, does it matter that they sentenced him to death? He isn't a national of theirs, so it's pretty much idiotic.

Jesus fucking christ. How many threads like this are there going to be? This is rediculous.

So its a minority of muslims, yes, we can all agree. But that said minority should a) not call them self muslim b) not say their idea of Islam is peace loving. Good enough for you? I'm at the point of calling Normal Islam and extremist islam two seperate things...but since they both call them selves Islam, what shall I label the latter?

One action (not forgiving the Danish Cartoonist) does not label people that are Muslims non-Muslims. Either it be in an extreme situation or a small situation, it still doesn't.

Haven't you learned in History Class that if a person follows the Five Pillars of Islam, it makes them a Muslim at the most basic level -- so they can call themselves Muslims.

Even if both call their version of Islam the True Islam, it doesn't mean you label them under one name, but since they are two different views, they should receive two different names, no?

Jesus fucking christ. How many threads like this are there going to be? This is rediculous.

they go on forever.

for-ev-er. for-ev-er. for-eeeeeev-er.

Jesus fucking christ. How many threads like this are there going to be? This is rediculous.

Seriously, these new "MUSLIMS ARE EVIL!!!!!!1111" followed by a "Oh! I changed my mind! they're ok!" Topics need to be shut down. One is enough!!!

they go on forever.

for-ev-er. for-ev-er. for-eeeeeev-er.
GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAGH!!!!!!!! perhaps it's about time for me to take a few months off again.

Seriously, these new "MUSLIMS ARE EVIL!!!!!!1111" followed by a "Oh! I changed my mind! they're ok!" Topics need to be shut down. One is enough!!!

muslims are the new aborition and evolution.

GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAGH!!!!!!!! perhaps it's about time for me to take a few months off again.

oh no. you can never leave this place. ever.

cool, now we know India is putting our devellopment aid money to good useAccording to the above-mentioned statement released by Indian Minister for Ethnic Minorities, Yakub Qureshi, a person who murders the cartoonist will be rewarded with $11.5 million. The minister added that the murderer would also be rewarded with gold, the total weight of which would be equivalent to murderer’s weight.more donations for the develloping world are needed!

Seriously, these new "MUSLIMS ARE EVIL!!!!!!1111" followed by a "Oh! I changed my mind! they're ok!" Topics need to be shut down. One is enough!!!
what, just because every other thread on the first page is about the same thing?
GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAGH!!!!!!!! perhaps it's about time for me to take a few months off again.
no...I need sane people here...just venture into the random spam/fluffle threads!


Okay. Last time I'm saying this. Action of a few =/= the sum total of a religion. A persons chosen religion =/= the sum total of who that person is.

And now, I go to scream that at a brick wall, because that will have more effect than saying it here

So its a minority of muslims, yes, we can all agree. But that said minority should a) not call them self muslim b) not say their idea of Islam is peace loving. Good enough for you? I'm at the point of calling Normal Islam and extremist islam two seperate things...but since they both call them selves Islam, what shall I label the latter?


There are Christians who can very easily be viewed as cruel, heartless, mean people. Maybe they should stop calling themselves Christians.

I'm just enjoying that this article, with no source listed, is on a web page that shares space with a Russian Playboy Bunny and something about the sexual worries of US Sec of State Rice. :D

Jesus fucking christ. How many threads like this are there going to be? This is rediculous.
seriously. You people need to stop being so intolerant towards Arabs and Muslims. Most of you, from what I read, have no clue about the Arab world or Islam. Stop it already, it makes you look bad. I dont want to have to start an anti-Judeo-Christian thread, but if its the only way to show the western baised towards Christianity and Judaism I'll do it.

seriously. You people need to stop being so intolerant towards Arabs and Muslims. Most of you, from what I read, have no clue about the Arab world or Islam. Stop it already, it makes you look bad. I dont want to have to start an anti-Judeo-Christian thread, but if its the only way to show the western baised towards Christianity and Judaism I'll do it.

Go for it, I'd glady agree.

Could we quit it with these bullshit flamebaiting thread titles?

How many times have I heard the phrase "It's just a minority of Muslims doing it"? I'm starting to wonder if the incidents hint at something.

How many times have I heard the phrase "It's just a minority of Muslims doing it"? I'm starting to wonder if the incidents hint at something.
that bad news sells better than good news? That the headline "Today: Majority of muslims get up, do bunch of stuff, then go to sleep" doesn't attract readers?

Seriously, the mods should merge all these threads...

How many times have I heard the phrase "It's just a minority of Muslims doing it"? I'm starting to wonder if the incidents hint at something.

These suicide bombers also claim to be human.

You are human.

I hold you personally accountable from now on.

These suicide bombers also claim to be human.

You are human.

I hold you personally accountable from now on.

The suiciders don't claim to be blowing themselves up in the name of humanity, Keruvalia. They claim to be doing it in the name of Islam.

Nice logical fallacy, though.

The suiciders don't claim to be blowing themselves up in the name of humanity, though. They claim to be doing it in the name of Islam.

Nice logical fallacy, though.

So if someone does something in the name of whatever you believe in, it makes you responsible?

Nice logical fallacy.

Can we not title thread with such flaming headlines please?
IBTL, otherwise

http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/21-02-2006/76236-India-0

This is a religion of peace and tolerence...I see.

newsflash - people are utter arseholes again, shock horror.

second newsflash - some people blame anything but the individuals themselves for first set of people being arseholes, shock horror.

third and final newsflash - a further set of people use the first set of people being arseholes to advance their own personal agenda, thus replicating the first set of people by...being arseholes

we will bring you further updates as the story grows.

The suiciders don't claim to be blowing themselves up in the name of humanity, Keruvalia. They claim to be doing it in the name of Islam.

Nice logical fallacy, though.

I also hold you personally responsible.

You have done nothing to stop them and have remained complacent to their actions. Anonymous internet vitriol doesn't count.

That's two so far. LSR and Letila. Personally responsible.

Anyone else care to join them?

Haven't you learned in History Class that if a person follows the Five Pillars of Islam, it makes them a Muslim at the most basic level -- so they can call themselves Muslims.

One of those pillars is jihad. How many "moderate Muslims" do you know that go out jihading of an evening? The harmless ones are ones that aren't taking Mohammed's edicts seriously.

http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/islamprotest5.jpg

Seriously, people, how many pictures like that have you seen, with a seething mass of angry Muslims numbering in hundreds or thousands? And they're only the visible ones--presumably just the tip of the iceberg.

Now, Christianity might have its morons (and the fact that you point them out all the time dosen't actually make their more numerous Muslim equivelants any less dangerous, people), but they generally take the form of a small group of inconsequential people with insensitive placards. The Muslim ones always seem to be part of some yelling, ravenous mob.

One of those pillars is jihad.

Again, you are a liar. A bald-faced liar.

Islam's 5 Pillars:

1] Shahadah
2] Salat
3] Zakat
4] Hajj
5] Sawm

Stop spreading lies.

So if someone does something in the name of whatever you believe in, it makes you responsible?

Nice logical fallacy.

No. It makes your chosen ideology responsible (if, as Islam does, it actually endorses the criminal's actions).

Pay attention.

http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/islamprotest5.jpg

Seriously, people, how many pictures like that have you seen, with a seething mass of angry Muslims numbering in hundreds or thousands? And they're only the visible ones--presumably just the tip of the iceberg.

Counting hands in that picture, there are less than 20 people in it, yet you speak of hundreds and thousands?

if, as Islam does, it actually endorses the criminal's actions

Another lie. Qu'ran states quite clearly that spreading mischeif is a sin.

Pay attention.

I am. I always am. I will point out every lie you tell. You cannot escape me on this forum and your lies will be exposed for all to see.

Again, you are a liar. A bald-faced liar.

Islam's 5 Pillars:

1] Shahadah
2] Salat
3] Zakat
4] Hajj
5] Sawm

Stop spreading lies.

Jihad was considered a sixth pillar by many Kharijites in ancient times and is still held to be such by most Middle Eastern terrorist organisations.

These suicide bombers also claim to be human.

You are human.

I hold you personally accountable from now on.
I am accountable. What can I do to rectify the situation?

Incidentally, I'm stunned this has lasted two pages without anyone pointing out that the source is -Pravda-. Hmm...

Jihad was considered a sixth pillar by many Kharijites in ancient times and is still held to be such by most Middle Eastern terrorist organisations.

I was under the impression Islam had five pillars. Or are we extending the numbers now to win arguments?

http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/21-02-2006/76236-India-0

This is a religion of peace and tolerence...I see.

God forbid we punish the actions and not the religion.

http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/21-02-2006/76236-India-0

This is a religion of peace and tolerence...I see.
Do we really need to hear about every stupid thing that gets handed down from religious extremists? It doesn't prove that all Muslims are violent. Only these guys, and Iran and the like.

I was under the impression Islam had five pillars. Or are we extending the numbers now to win arguments?

Some say five. Some say six. Some (the shi'ites, if I recall correctly) do not believe in the pillars (as such) at all.

I remember back in a recent communism thread (like 2-3 days ago) everyone was saying communism is evil, because an ideology is measured by its outcome and not its ideals. So, they cite Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jung il and Mao. and they're group of KGB/red guard/ect who did evil deeds, and from this, say communism is evil.

So why is that okay, and I heard little backlash against that,

but if someone uses that same pattern of analysis on Islam, there is tonnes of backlash? anyone care to explain I recognize a few of the names here as the same ones from the communism thread, so...

I remember back in a recent communism thread (like 2-3 days ago) everyone was saying communism is evil, because an ideology is measured by its outcome and not its ideals. So, they cite Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jung il and Mao. and they're group of KGB/red guard/ect who did evil deeds, and from this, say communism is evil.

So why is that okay, and I heard little backlash against that,

but if someone uses that same pattern of analysis on Islam, there is tonnes of backlash? anyone care to explain I recognize a few of the names here as the same ones from the communism thread, so...

I didn't see the thread else i would have pointed out that no ideology can be responsible for the idiots or tyrants that misuse it. If the ideology is not founded on evil premises (step forward adolf) then the original conception is not to blame. I'd further follow it with Adam Smith seemed a rather pleasant and well meaning chap with some nice ideas (which i don't tend to follow) who is in no way responsible for the absolute fucking mess that global neo-liberal supercapitalism has made and is continuing to make of the planet.