NationStates Jolt Archive

A couple of weeks ago, I posted a thread about my opinion of how to defend the US from terrorism.It went something like this:

1. Stop Using Oil. Massive funding for alternative energy resources, so we don't have to occupy the Middle East to insure a steady supply of "black gold"

2. Stop Muslim immigration to keep the extremists from coming in.

The second point caused quite a bit of contention, and after reading through (and responding to) the arguments, I've changed my ways. Here's my new mindset.

1. Stop Using Oil. Massive funding for alternative energy resources, so we don't have to occupy the Middle East to insure a steady supply of "black gold"

2. DON'T stop Muslim immigration. But deport those who commit serious crimes or incite violence, as well as through background checks on those who want to emigrate to the US. If nothing negative is found about them, as I suspect will be the scenario in 99% of the cases, then by all means, let them into the US. Also, mosques tend to be a major source of funding and recruitment for the fundies, so either get informants in them (this is probably happening already) or get some kind of registration program for the mullahs and mosques so the government can be updated about their activities.

3. Stop supporting Israel, and the Arab countries. This only angers the Muslim world, and it was one of the main reasons for 9/11. Israel is fully capable of defending themselves by now, and if we stopped supporting them, just maybe they would become more active in the peace process...
Mind you, the Palestinians are at blame also, but the initiative for peace has to start somewhere.

Agree or disagree?

Here's the thing, the middle east Muslims are in something similar to the Catholic church in 1400. The people are being brainwashed into believing that Christians are evil and need to be destroyed, much as the Christians thought that the Muslims were evil and needed to be destroyed. Of course I'm not putting that label on all the countries, nor all Muslims in any fasion. (Oman is a perfectly logical place with their enlightened beliefs and I happen to have a good friend that's Muslim.) It's just a small whacky minority. I think the only rational thing we can do at this point is let it burn itself out.

Like I said in the last topic: We can't. We're going to lose this war.

Here's the thing, the middle east Muslims are in something similar to the Catholic church in 1400. The people are being brainwashed into believing that Christians are evil and need to be destroyed, much as the Christians thought that the Muslims were evil and needed to be destroyed. Of course I'm not putting that label on all the countries, nor all Muslims in any fasion. (Oman is a perfectly logical place with their enlightened beliefs and I happen to have a good friend that's Muslim.) It's just a small whacky minority. I think the only rational thing we can do at this point is let it burn itself out.
Agreed. And just making sure we don't get burnt whilst it burns itself out.

Agreed. And just making sure we don't get burnt whilst it burns itself out.

Exactly, we need to shield ourselves from this burn.

Exactly, we need to shield ourselves from this burn.
Best then to stay away from it, help where we can and just make sure we don't foment it in anyway, or let it come over to our side.

Kick it in the nuts.

Seriously though, I do feel pulling out of the whole Middle East thing before you start to piss off more people might be a good idea. Maybe an apology or two as well.

As for the deportation thing, why limit it to the Muslim community? Why not all hate mongering immagrants regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, etc. face deportation? As I see it they all have committed a crime and convicting them based on differences that are only skin-deep does not make sense.

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1. You're paranoid
2. Islam is NOT an extremist religion, stop generalizing them as terrorists
3. Your thread title is very questionable
4. You're bigoted

Like I said in the last topic: We can't. We're going to lose this war.

Then who will win?

1. You're paranoid
2. Islam is NOT an extremist religion, stop generalizing them as terrorists
3. Your thread title is very questionable
4. You're bigoted

Agreed. Islam is an incredible religion why don't you read about it. It has also been around for a long ass time. I think what you mean is Islamic Extremism in which case that is like all extremism. The topic should be how do we fight extremism.

Then who will win?

muslims.

Leave them alone.

1. Stop Using Oil. Massive funding for alternative energy resources, so we don't have to occupy the Middle East to insure a steady supply of "black gold"


This alone seems seems extremely unfeasible. Even the qualified answer of a gradual U.S. weaning off oil seems inherently flawed. China and India would be quite happy to pick up our slack. As it stands, we receive about a fifth of our oil from the Middle East. With the exploding economic growth in these two counties, it would not take long for them to compensate for whatever we stopped buying.

Then who will win?Nobody. The war is going to end with the earth exploding caused by Kim Jong-Il throwing a fit.

if we stop using oil then they loose their economy, making everyone over there even more poor. poor people is the bread and butter of fundementalism.

Leave them alone.
Exactly. When was the world fine (if it could ever have really been called 'fine)? When people weren't fucking around with eachother. Going from war to war and invasion to invasion will just make it so much worse.

Exactly. When was the world fine (if it could ever have really been called 'fine)? When people weren't fucking around with eachother. Going from war to war and invasion to invasion will just make it so much worse.

that only works when the whole world has that attitude.

that only works when the whole world has that attitude.
But who better to start than America?

Or just stop being imperialistic bigoted assholes?

Or just stop being imperialistic bigoted assholes?
Everyone could do that. Not just the West, or just the East. Both excel in this regard.

Oh, pardon me, I thought this was the "how do we fight Onanism 2" thread. My advice will be unappeciated here, so I will bow out.

But who better to start than America?

well my whole point was that it's never going to happen so we shouldn't do it. that's not to say we should go on an imperialist rampage, of course, but responding to eminet threats should be a part of every foriegn policy.

Or just stop being imperialistic bigoted assholes?EXACTLY