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State legislatures [ US ] climb all over "Eminent Domain!"

Eutrusca
22-02-2006, 00:44
COMMENTARY: In a predictable but very rapid move, many state legislatures are taking bipartisan action to limit the eminent domain powers of local governments. Rapid, yes, but long overdue nonetheless.


States Curbing Right to Seize Private Homes (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/21/national/21domain.html?th&emc=th)


By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: February 21, 2006
In a rare display of unanimity that cuts across partisan and geographic lines, lawmakers in virtually every statehouse across the country are advancing bills and constitutional amendments to limit use of the government's power of eminent domain to seize private property for economic development purposes.

The measures are in direct response to the United States Supreme Court's 5-to-4 decision last June in a landmark property rights case from Connecticut, upholding the authority of the City of New London to condemn homes in an aging neighborhood to make way for a private development of offices, condominiums and a hotel. It was a decision that one justice, who had written for the majority, later all but apologized for.

The reaction from the states was swift and heated. Within weeks of the court's decision, Texas, Alabama and Delaware passed bills by overwhelming bipartisan margins limiting the right of local governments to seize property and turn it over to private developers. Since then, lawmakers in three dozen other states have proposed similar restrictions and more are on the way, according to experts who track the issue.

The National League of Cities, which supports the use of eminent domain as what it calls a necessary tool of urban development, has identified the issue as the most crucial facing local governments this year. The league has called upon mayors and other local officials to lobby Congress and state legislators to try to stop the avalanche of bills to limit the power of government to take private property for presumed public good.

The issue is not whether governments can condemn private property to build a public amenity like a road, a school or a sewage treatment plant. That power is explicit in the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment, provided that "just compensation" is paid. The conflict arises over government actions to seize private homes or businesses as part of a redevelopment project that at least partly benefits a private party like a retail store, an apartment complex or a football stadium.

"It's open season on eminent domain," said Larry Morandi, a land-use specialist at the National Conference of State Legislatures. "Bills are being pushed by Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, and they're passing by huge margins."

Seldom has a Supreme Court decision sparked such an immediate legislative reaction, and one that scrambles the usual partisan lines. Condemnation of the ruling came from black lawmakers representing distressed urban districts, from suburbanites and from Western property-rights absolutists who rarely see eye to eye on anything. Lawmakers from Maine to California have introduced dozens of bills in reaction to the ruling, most of them saying that government should never seize private homes or businesses solely to benefit a private developer.

The Supreme Court seemed to invite such a response in its narrowly written ruling in the case, Kelo v. City of New London. Justice John Paul Stevens, writing for the majority, expressed sympathy for the displaced homeowners and said that the "necessity and wisdom" of the use of eminent domain were issues of legitimate debate. And, he added, "We emphasize that nothing in our opinion precludes any state from placing further restrictions on its exercise of the takings power."

Two months after the ruling, addressing a bar association meeting, Justice Stevens called it "unwise" and said he would have opposed it had he been a legislator and not a federal judge bound by precedent.

Plenty of legislators took the hint.

The issue was one of the first raised when Connecticut lawmakers returned to session early this month. There are bills pending in the Legislature to impose new restrictions on the use of eminent domain by local governments and to assure that displaced businesses and homeowners receive fair compensation.

(The New London project is essentially delayed, even after the Supreme Court go-ahead, because of contractual disputes and an unwillingness to forcibly remove the homeowners who sued to save their properties.)

In the New Jersey Legislature, Senator Nia H. Gill, a Democrat from Montclair who is chairwoman of the Commerce Committee, proposed a bill to outlaw the use of eminent domain to condemn residential property that is not completely run down to make room for a redevelopment project. The bill, which is pending, would require public hearings before any taking of private property to benefit a private project.

[ This article is two pages long. To read the rest of the article, go here (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/21/national/21domain.html?pagewanted=2&th&emc=th). ]
Potarius
22-02-2006, 00:51
This is good, but they need to ban it outright.
Eutrusca
22-02-2006, 00:54
This is good, but they need to ban it outright.
Can't do that without a Constitutional Amendment.
Bastile
22-02-2006, 00:58
No, Eminent Domain was originally intended to take small portions of property to build roads. I am however against taking land from the rightful owner to give it to another private person or company.
The Cat-Tribe
22-02-2006, 01:00
*sigh*

Even with the evidence of this article, the hysteria about eminent domain abuse continues.

Pray learn a little about the subject before getting your knickers in a twist about it.

EDIT: Read this (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/14.html#1) at least.
The Lone Alliance
22-02-2006, 01:02
It'll be good if they made it illegal to take the land for private purposes at least.
The Cat-Tribe
22-02-2006, 01:06
This is good, but they need to ban it outright.

Yes. Because it has caused so much harm over the 200-plus year history of the Republic. :rolleyes:
Soheran
22-02-2006, 01:09
Good. "Eminent domain" is being repeatedly used as a form of class warfare (on behalf of the rich), and that should be ended.
Potarius
22-02-2006, 01:16
Yes. Because it has caused so much harm over the 200-plus year history of the Republic. :rolleyes:

Ehh... You're actually defending this shit?
The Cat-Tribe
22-02-2006, 01:21
Ehh... You're actually defending this shit?

Defending the general power of eminent domain? Of course.

Its particular application in cases such as Keno? No - although there is more merit than you seem to think.
Ashmoria
22-02-2006, 01:31
im all in favor of changing eminent domain laws. its bad enough that the government steals your land for school and roads. ive never met anyone who got fair market value for their land or were able to replace it with an equivalent parcel somewhere else.

but sometimes it has to be done

there was a mayor of some city on the TV last night talking about how he has to make the tough decisions. the city condemned an entire perfectly fine neighborhood because an outside developer wanted it to make a commercial development. not everyone agreed to sell. a couple were being forced out of their retirement home so some other guy could build offices and stores.

no just no. its wrong to force people out of their non-nuisance homes in order to give the land to another private party and increase the tax base. they are pushing out people who have lived in great neighborhoods from back when they werent considered desirable so that the newly "rich" can have big ass houses on the shore.

NO. some thing just shouldnt be an option. this one needs to be off the table.
Potarius
22-02-2006, 01:35
im all in favor of changing eminent domain laws. its bad enough that the government steals your land for school and roads. ive never met anyone who got fair market value for their land or were able to replace it with an equivalent parcel somewhere else.

but sometimes it has to be done

there was a mayor of some city on the TV last night talking about how he has to make the tough decisions. the city condemned an entire perfectly fine neighborhood because an outside developer wanted it to make a commercial development. not everyone agreed to sell. a couple were being forced out of their retirement home so some other guy could build offices and stores.

no just no. its wrong to force people out of their non-nuisance homes in order to give the land to another private party and increase the tax base. they are pushing out people who have lived in great neighborhoods from back when they werent considered desirable so that the newly "rich" can have big ass houses on the shore.

NO. some thing just shouldnt be an option. this one needs to be off the table.

*applauds*
CSW
22-02-2006, 01:38
im all in favor of changing eminent domain laws. its bad enough that the government steals your land for school and roads. ive never met anyone who got fair market value for their land or were able to replace it with an equivalent parcel somewhere else.

but sometimes it has to be done

there was a mayor of some city on the TV last night talking about how he has to make the tough decisions. the city condemned an entire perfectly fine neighborhood because an outside developer wanted it to make a commercial development. not everyone agreed to sell. a couple were being forced out of their retirement home so some other guy could build offices and stores.

no just no. its wrong to force people out of their non-nuisance homes in order to give the land to another private party and increase the tax base. they are pushing out people who have lived in great neighborhoods from back when they werent considered desirable so that the newly "rich" can have big ass houses on the shore.

NO. some thing just shouldnt be an option. this one needs to be off the table.
And I've never met any person who has been the 'victim' of eminent domain.

I swear to the good lord, the slander against eminent domain is getting out of hand. The slander against the court more so.
Potarius
22-02-2006, 01:39
And I've never met any person who has been the 'victim' of eminent domain.

I swear to the good lord, the slander against eminent domain is getting out of hand. The slander against the court more so.

It's not what it's actually done, it's the fact that the opportunity to do so is right there... Just like the PATRIOT Act in all its glory.
Ashmoria
22-02-2006, 01:42
And I've never met any person who has been the 'victim' of eminent domain.

I swear to the good lord, the slander against eminent domain is getting out of hand. The slander against the court more so.
i must get around more than you do

so you would be FINE with having your home taken so that some bigger pocket can have it and pay more taxes than you do?

im not.
Saladador
22-02-2006, 01:54
As a libertarian, I am Mr. Private property. But the doctrine overturned in New London was a stretch if you ask me. The key to the fifth ammendment provision is the "just compensation" rule, not whether a government can give or sell property acqired in eminent domain to a private entity. Besides, there was a thoroughly valid democratic remedy, and that's what we see being borne out here.
Myrmidonisia
22-02-2006, 02:02
Defending the general power of eminent domain? Of course.

Its particular application in cases such as Keno? No - although there is more merit than you seem to think.
In the Kelo case, there are a lot of us on the side of the 4 judge minority. A majority may make law, but the law isn't necessarily right. And eventually bad law is re-written.

The state legislatures are doing exactly what they should do to protect their citizens. It should unnecessary, but at least the legislatures see the need.
CSW
22-02-2006, 02:04
i must get around more than you do

so you would be FINE with having your home taken so that some bigger pocket can have it and pay more taxes than you do?

im not.
Which is why I do a neat thing called "write my state congress person" and petition them to pass laws forbidding the seizure of property for private use.


Then again, ed is rarely, if ever, used where I live. Maybe it's because we actually have a decent, democratic government.
Myrmidonisia
22-02-2006, 02:06
As a libertarian, I am Mr. Private property. But the doctrine overturned in New London was a stretch if you ask me. The key to the fifth ammendment provision is the "just compensation" rule, not whether a government can give or sell property acqired in eminent domain to a private entity. Besides, there was a thoroughly valid democratic remedy, and that's what we see being borne out here.
In your words, how is private development considered to be public use? How, also, can we have any concept of private property, if the government is free to seize privately owned property for any purpose? In other words, what are the restrictions on seizure of private property? When is this seizure not possible?
Ashmoria
22-02-2006, 02:11
In the Kelo case, there are a lot of us on the side of the 4 judge minority. A majority may make law, but the law isn't necessarily right. And eventually bad law is re-written.

The state legislatures are doing exactly what they should do to protect their citizens. It should unnecessary, but at least the legislatures see the need.
yeah

i didnt agree with the supreme court decision but it didnt mandate that this kind of thing be allowed. its now up to the various states to decide if they want to allow it or not.

if people in another state want to have this way of increasing tax revenues to be available to their cities, i guess thats their business.
Myrmidonisia
22-02-2006, 02:12
yeah

i didnt agree with the supreme court decision but it didnt mandate that this kind of thing be allowed. its now up to the various states to decide if they want to allow it or not.

if people in another state want to have this way of increasing tax revenues to be available to their cities, i guess thats their business.
My real hope is that this new court will see a reason to correct the mistake of the past court. In the meantime, the actions of the states are a good substitute.