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Is it me, or is almost every answer to one concerning muslims in a negative way ending up in with the maker of the answer being called racist, xenophobic and/or a bigot?

I doubt it's me. There's plenty of other people being branded in that way. Not directly through text, but still. We have the right to views.

And just because we see islam in a negative light they start using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.

Oh, and post any worries you have about islam you have here as well. Like it's incredibly violent.

no no no...like I said in the other thread...I don't think people who speak against Islam are racist, xenophobic, and bigoted. I think YOU are racist, xenophobic and bigoted. See the difference?

Oh, and post any worries you have about islam you have here as well. Like it's incredibly violent.

Going to back that up?

People have a right to speak out at Islam. Just not when they spread hate-filled and misinformed lies such as ' All Muslims are corrupt' which is not only an untruth, but also a broad generalisation and offensive.

Is it me, or is almost every answer to one concerning muslims in a negative way ending up in with the maker of the answer being called racist, xenophobic and/or a bigot?

I doubt it's me. There's plenty of other people being branded in that way. Not directly through text, but still. We have the right to views.

And just because we see islam in a negative light they start using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.

Oh, and post any worries you have about islam you have here as well. Like it's incredibly violent.
I don't think that there's any such thing as "Islam". There are many different religions and sects working under that name IMHO. Some are barbaric and violent, some are not. It's important to make that distinction in order to effectively target the enemy and leave the others relatively unharmed.

Going to back that up?
Wouldn't count on it.

Wouldn't count on it.
Wouldn't count on not counting it.

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Muslim

Fact: Regardless of anything I say you're still going to try and twist my thoughts with some phisophy you just thought of or rememebered

Is it me, or <snip>

I doubt it's me. <snip>

Nope it really is just you.

Is it me, or is almost every answer to one concerning muslims in a negative way ending up in with the maker of the answer being called racist, xenophobic and/or a bigot?

I doubt it's me. There's plenty of other people being branded in that way. Not directly through text, but still. We have the right to views.

And just because we see islam in a negative light they start using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.

Oh, and post any worries you have about islam you have here as well. Like it's incredibly violent.

OK, listen here: the problem is that you are not distinguishing between "islam" and "muslims". Muslims are a set of individuals. Islam is a religion.
Speaking out against a religion and speaking out against a set of people as if everyone in that set is identical are not the same.

Wouldn't count on not counting it.

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Muslim

Fact: Regardless of anything I say you're still going to try and twist my thoughts with some phisophy you just thought of or rememebered

What? That's just untrue and a broad generalisation for gods sake.

What? That's just untrue and a broad generalisation for gods sake.
See the : Because recently I've been getting pissed of with these kinds of people... thread. You might be interested. It's no apology, but I'm not perfect. Unlike some NationStates...

Wouldn't count on not counting it.

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Muslim

Fact: Regardless of anything I say you're still going to try and twist my thoughts with some phisophy you just thought of or rememebered
More important fact: Majority of Muslims are not terrorists.

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Muslim

Hehe! I know I've said this before but then you keep repeating yourself too...
you just never cease to amuse me.

Is it just me, or have NSG been invaded by a bunch of xenophobic, fascistoid semi-nazi's over the past 2 months?

Hehe! I know I've said this before but then you keep repeating yourself too...
you just never cease to amuse me.

And you are...

Oh. With the skinny87 party?
Step right through into the brainwashing room. It'll be just like some minds you might find...

Wouldn't count on not counting it.

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Muslim

Fact: Regardless of anything I say you're still going to try and twist my thoughts with some phisophy you just thought of or rememebered
This is a point concerning your own beliefs, poupee:

fact: most terrorists used to be communist or fascist.

the world is becoming racist xenophobic and bigotted. I blame the foreigners.

Is it just me, or have NSG been invaded by a bunch of xenophobic, fascistoid semi-nazi's over the past 2 months?

It's the mild winters we've been having.

And you are...

Oh. With the skinny87 party?
Step right through into the brainwashing room. It'll be just like some minds you might find...
The brainwashing room? Who got whose head brainwashed?
I'm confused.
Have you ever thought about the possibility that if a vast majority of people call you racist that... there might be a tiny little bit of something to it?
But hey, that's just a thought.

And you are...

Oh. With the skinny87 party?
Step right through into the brainwashing room. It'll be just like some minds you might find...

Hah. Brainwashing. Really, thats amusing. Just because I don't spread hate-filled statements like 'The majority of Muslims are terrorists' I'm brainwashed?

Hah. Brainwashing. Really, thats amusing. Just because I don't spread hate-filled statements like 'The majority of Muslims are terrorists' I'm brainwashed?

Never said you were brainwashed.

And there's a post on the because recently I've been getting pissed [Yada, Yadda, Yadda]... thread you might be interested in.

Never said you were brainwashed.

And there's a post on the because recently I've been getting pissed [Yada, Yadda, Yadda]... thread you might be interested in.

Really? I've read them all, but there were so many. Which pearl of wisdom might interest me?

What? That's just untrue and a broad generalisation for gods sake.
Obviously I cannot speak for others, but every broad generalization I make is made for my sake, not God's. :D

I don't think that there's any such thing as "Islam". There are many different religions and sects working under that name IMHO. Some are barbaric and violent, some are not. It's important to make that distinction in order to effectively target the enemy and leave the others relatively unharmed.

Yes, but the prophet muhammed was the one who told his followers to go out and convert people. By the sword if nessasary. Those islamist extreamists are just following their religious laws. Those who are NOT violent are the ones who arn't followers for the codes set down by muhammed.

Besides the Political cartoons that were published did not gain an outcry untill a Muslim made several more cartoons of a highly inapropreate nature to inflame the followers of muhhamaed fro just this exaxt thing to happen.

Trust me. I've researched this.

Is it just me, or have NSG been invaded by a bunch of xenophobic, fascistoid semi-nazi's over the past 2 months?
Yes. It's just you. They've been here all along. :p

Really? I've read them all, but there were so many. Which pearl of wisdom might interest me?

The one where I have offered to change any posts I find because they upset the holy rules of the anti-anti-islam foundation. Show me where I've gone too far and I'll edit them. But it is in no way apologising, since I'm not going to give up my thoughts that easy.

Obviously I cannot speak for others, but every broad generalization I make is made for my sake, not God's. :D

*Bows*

"What? That's just untrue and a broad generalisation for [Insert deity/person/random image of your choice here] sake."

the world is becoming racist xenophobic and bigotted. I blame the foreigners.
Oh! Oh! ME TOO! I love blaming things on "foreigners." Um ... can you point a few out to me? I seem to have a problem telling them from real people. :D

the world is becoming racist xenophobic and bigotted. I blame the foreigners.
I just blame a portion of the foreigners.

Yes, but the prophet muhammed was the one who told his followers to go out and convert people. By the sword if nessasary. Those islamist extreamists are just following their religious laws. Those who are NOT violent are the ones who arn't followers for the codes set down by muhammed.

Besides the Political cartoons that were published did not gain an outcry untill a Muslim made several more cartoons of a highly inapropreate nature to inflame the followers of muhhamaed fro just this exaxt thing to happen.

Trust me. I've researched this.
You know, I've done some research too. I know a bit about Islam's history. I know that the religion was spread through conquest and making conquered people live under second-class conditions unless they converted. That's got little to do with most of the religions called Islam today. Hell, Jesus probably would have been appalled at some of the religions that go under the banner of Christianity, but we still call them that.

I just blame a portion of the foreigners.
Which would be one of the main differences between racism and xenophobia.
edit: ...but of course, that's just a brainwashed person's opinion. :p

Is it just me, or have NSG been invaded by a bunch of xenophobic, fascistoid semi-nazi's over the past 2 months?
It's always been this way. Depressing, isn't it?

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Muslim

Just keep repeating that to yourself until you believe it. Don't feel the need to back anything up with data, that will just prove you wrong.

Yes, but the prophet muhammed was the one who told his followers to go out and convert people. By the sword if nessasary. Those islamist extreamists are just following their religious laws. Those who are NOT violent are the ones who arn't followers for the codes set down by muhammed.

Besides the Political cartoons that were published did not gain an outcry untill a Muslim made several more cartoons of a highly inapropreate nature to inflame the followers of muhhamaed fro just this exaxt thing to happen.

Trust me. I've researched this.
Ever heard of the Mozarabs? Or the Yazidis? Was mention of that included in that idiotic research of yours?

Wouldn't count on not counting it.

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Muslim

Fact: Regardless of anything I say you're still going to try and twist my thoughts with some phisophy you just thought of or rememebered

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Irish.

Which would be one of the main differences between racism and xenophobia.
edit: ...but of course, that's just a brainwashed person's opinion. :p

I didn't say the brainwashing video was going to start, but if you insist, there's always my little pony.

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Muslim

So, the moment more Christians blow up things than Muslims do, Christianity becomes teh 3v1L!!!1 ?
And should I decide to blow something up, but explain my action with my faith in God, all others who declare this faith themselves automatically become (potential) terrorists, too?

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Irish.

Shock fact: The majority of terrorists are Human Beings.

And you are...

Oh. With the skinny87 party?
Step right through into the brainwashing room. It'll be just like some minds you might find...

The skinny87 party? Ah that must be the one yes - yes that's right, I'm here to see the rational, tolerant, less generalising party thank you. Hmm... you must be with the others? Yeah, yeah I thought there were gonna be some fascist... well you see where I'm going with this I hope. I frankly can't be bothered to finish it off - you know what I'm gonna say anyway.

I didn't say the brainwashing video was going to start, but if you insist, there's always my little pony.
...so you mean...there's some truth to what I said?? :eek:

...so you mean...there's some truth to what I said?? :eek:
Confusion swirls around that post. Explanation most welcome. Please.

The skinny87 party? Ah that must be the one yes - yes that's right, I'm here to see the rational, tolerant, less generalising party thank you. Hmm... you must be with the others? Yeah, yeah I thought there were gonna be some fascist... well you see where I'm going with this I hope. I frankly can't be bothered to finish it off - you know what I'm gonna say anyway.
Well yes I do. And how did you find out I was fascist? Have you read one of my threads? (This dosn't count)

You know what just BLEW MY MIND?

There are people who were born after 1989... people were born in the 90's and after 2000... holy crap

Shock fact: The majority of terrorists are Human Beings.

No they're not! The majority of terrorists are actually robotic hippos. Camouflauged, of course.

No they're not! The majority of terrorists are actually robotic hippos. Camouflauged, of course.

Operated by Space Lizards disguised as the Queen and George Bush.

Wouldn't count on not counting it.

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Muslim

Fact: Regardless of anything I say you're still going to try and twist my thoughts with some phisophy you just thought of or rememebered

Logical fallacy.

FACT: ALL terrorists are human does not equate to ALL humans are terrorists.

You want to provide a link between Muslims and violence you're going to have to use more than concurrence.

Operated by Space Lizards disguised as the Queen and George Bush.

Have you read that post yet? You might like it.

Space Lizard.

Wouldn't count on not counting it.

Fact: Majority of terrorists are Muslim

Fact: Regardless of anything I say you're still going to try and twist my thoughts with some phisophy you just thought of or rememebered
Fact: Majority of Muslims are not terrorists ... you may want to learn that

no i don't think it's getting "Racist, Xenophobic and full of bigots". I think that the silent majority has finaly stood up and stop letting the whineing liberals walk all over us. It's been a long standing tradition that the active minortys make the policy in america. Be it the right or the left. However, when an issue arises that piqs the intrest and deeply concerns the majority of america the wake up and do what is needed and go back to sleep.

Is this guy for real?
I can kinda see his point but, generalisation is too strong.

Confusion swirls around that post. Explanation most welcome. Please.
Well at least, there's mutual confusion.

Fact is you stated something and I was amused.
I assume we can agree on that much.

As to the rest... two very different worlds clashing, leaving lots of confusion on both sides.

Is this guy for real?
I can kinda see his point but, generalisation is too strong.
Welcome to NS :D

Welcome to NS :D
Thank you. I can see where he is coming from. Islam does eem a bit violent, but maybe he's a media man, falling to the same old lies. I'm not personally a supporter of islam, but they're not all bad people. Are they?

Is it me, or is almost every answer to one concerning muslims in a negative way ending up in with the maker of the answer being called racist, xenophobic and/or a bigot?

I doubt it's me. There's plenty of other people being branded in that way. Not directly through text, but still. We have the right to views.

And we have the right to call you out on the fact that the views are racist, xenophobic, and/or bigoted.

Neo-Nazis have the right to voice their opinions, yes, but anti-facists still have the right to make it their business to shout them down and fight their views at every turn.

And we have the right to call you out on the fact that the views are racist, xenophobic, and/or bigoted.

Neo-Nazis have the right to voice their opinions, yes, but anti-facists still have the right to make it their business to shout them down and fight their views at every turn.

Just a thought. What does fascism have to do with Nazism? They're completely separate ideologies.

And dosn't that mean he or she has the right to fight muslims, and pro-muslims views at every turn?

Shock fact: The majority of terrorists are Human Beings.

Fact: The majority of terrorists have bombs.

Fact: Majority of Muslims are not terrorists ... you may want to learn that

They don't seem to know the communitive law does not apply to some logical arguments. A large subset of A are members of the set of B does not translate to a large subset of B are members of the set of A.

Is it me, or is almost every answer to one concerning muslims in a negative way ending up in with the maker of the answer being called racist, xenophobic and/or a bigot?

I doubt it's me. There's plenty of other people being branded in that way. Not directly through text, but still. We have the right to views.

And just because we see islam in a negative light they start using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.

Oh, and post any worries you have about islam you have here as well. Like it's incredibly violent.
It's just you I'm afraid: the board has been full of racist xenophobic bigots from the off.

Fact: The majority of terrorists have bombs.
I must be a minority. In fact, everyone I've met must be a minority.

What a large, small world...

I just blame a portion of the foreigners.

Yeah, just the one's with brown skin.

Just a thought. What does fascism have to do with Nazism? They're completely separate ideologies.

And dosn't that mean he or she has the right to fight muslims, and pro-muslims views at every turn?

anti-fascists and anti-racists fight all authoritarian, homophobic, mysogynistic, racist ideologies.

Nazism and Fascism both fall under this description. I know Fascism is not inherently racist, but it does fit the other three criteria. Adolph Hitler built on Mussolini's Fascism, and we anti-fascists fight that expansion and its basis.

I don't think that there's any such thing as "Islam". There are many different religions and sects working under that name IMHO. Some are barbaric and violent, some are not. It's important to make that distinction in order to effectively target the enemy and leave the others relatively unharmed.
That's a good way of putting it. Perhaos we should divide it into to sets. Muslim Type-A And Muslim Type-B

A being the good ones that I wouldn't mind cutting pork out of dinner if I was having them over, and B being the ones I wouldn't let lick the bacon grease off of my floor. :D

anti-fascists and anti-racists fight all authoritarian, homophobic, mysogynistic, racist ideologies.

Nazism and Fascism both fall under this description. I know Fascism is not inherently racist, but it does fit the other three criteria. Adolph Hitler built on Mussolini's Fascism, and we anti-fascists fight that expansion and its basis.
So you'd probably fight some of my ideals. Non-racist fascism... Sounds good enough...

That's a good way of putting it. Perhaos we should divide it into to sets. Muslim Type-A And Muslim Type-B

A being the good ones that I wouldn't mind cutting pork out of dinner if I was having them over, and B being the ones I wouldn't let lick the bacon grease off of my floor. :D

Even that is a little simplisitc. Islam should be treated in the same way as Christianity. That is, as a diverse religion with many different sects, just the way Christianity has Roman Catholics, a few varieties of Eastern Orthodox Catholicism, and many sects of Protestantism.

People also need to distinguish the difference between "guerrila" and "terroist" the lines are often crossed becuase governments that fight a Guerrila inurgency often lable the guerrila's "terroists" even if they have no terrorist like acts, such as killing civilians and such.

Even that is a little simplisitc. Islam should be treated in the same way as Christianity. That is, as a diverse religion with many different sects, just the way Christianity has Roman Catholics, a few varieties of Eastern Orthodox Catholicism, and many sects of Protestantism.
I treat them both equally. There are Christians Type-A and Christians Type-B

I try not to say "God-Damn it" around type A, but I will not hestitate to tell a Type-B to go to Hell. ;)

People also need to distinguish the difference between "guerrila" and "terroist" the lines are often crossed becuase governments that fight a Guerrila inurgency often lable the guerrila's "terroists" even if they have no terrorist like acts, such as killing civilians and such.
Yeah, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Osama's fighting to free us from such oppression as free speech, freedom of conscience, women's rights and gay rights.

Yeah, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Osama's fighting to free us from such oppression as free speech, freedom of conscience, women's rights and gay rights.
Just like Bush and his little fundamentalist xtian hobgoblins, you mean?

People also need to distinguish the difference between "guerrila" and "terroist" the lines are often crossed becuase governments that fight a Guerrila inurgency often lable the guerrila's "terroists" even if they have no terrorist like acts, such as killing civilians and such.
Point taken. Although they exist, there aren't really that many guerilla groups in history who didn't use terrorist acts to further their goals. There are countless religious people who choose peace over cold blooded murder.

It's important to make that distinction in order to effectively target the enemy and leave the others relatively unharmed.
It would be nice if we could leave all the ones that aren't our enemies unharmed, but in a realistic world, that wouldn't happen. :D

Is it just me, or have NSG been invaded by a bunch of xenophobic, fascistoid semi-nazi's over the past 2 months?
No people are just afraid, and fear makes people lash out at the ones they are afraid of.

Is it me, or is almost every answer to one concerning muslims in a negative way ending up in with the maker of the answer being called racist, xenophobic and/or a bigot?
Yeah, well there's a double standard here where you can get called racist for doing that to Muslims but it's perfectly okay to deny the Holocaust :mad:

Yeah, well there's a double standard here where you can get called racist for doing that to Muslims but it's perfectly okay to deny the Holocaust :mad:

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It's becoming increasingly apparent that on this board, people will call you a racist if you attack Islamic ideology, but they'll sit back and let all Hell break loose if somebody decides to question the existance of the Holocaust (thankfully there are still a number of posters here who don't question it)

Just like Bush and his little fundamentalist xtian hobgoblins, you mean?
Shit, I dare anyone to call Bush and co. Freedom fighters. Unless we're fighting the French. Then I'm sure they'll use that title.

Is it me, or is almost every answer to one concerning muslims in a negative way ending up in with the maker of the answer being called racist, xenophobic and/or a bigot?

I doubt it's me. There's plenty of other people being branded in that way. Not directly through text, but still. We have the right to views.

And just because we see islam in a negative light they start using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.

Oh, and post any worries you have about islam you have here as well. Like it's incredibly violent.


didnt we tell you? NS is mostly people from the deep south.

Yeah, well there's a double standard here where you can get called racist for doing that to Muslims but it's perfectly okay to deny the Holocaust :mad:

Agreed...but the muslims will get whats coming to them.

If anyone has ever seen Munich...its got a great one liner in it by the Afrikaan Jew....they are talking about the moral of a story about where God punished the Egyptians ( I think) for what they did to the Jews...then the Afrikaan Jew says something along the lines of, "and the moral of that story was, dont fuck with the Jews".

Shit, I dare anyone to call Bush and co. Freedom fighters. Unless we're fighting the French. Then I'm sure they'll use that title.
Heh.
It just struck me that all of the terrible attitudes you listed of Osama's are kewl with the chimp...

Fact: When the Afghani fought the Russian invaders, they were called "Freedom Fighters". When they fought the American invaders, they were called "Terrorists". Hamas people dedicated only to building daycare centers for the children of people living in deep poverty are called terrorists. CIA agents trying to kill Fidel Castro with a bomb in a cigar ar not terrorists.

The label "Terrorist" is a label put on political enemies of the state, when and where it is convenient. I won't call you a bigot or a racist or a xenophobe for speaking out against people, but i will ALWAYS be ready to flame you if you just give in to hate-mongering propaganda, without even trying to see both sides of the story.

Fact: When the Afghani fought the Russian invaders, they were called "Freedom Fighters". When they fought the American invaders, they were called "Terrorists". Hamas people dedicated only to building daycare centers for the children of people living in deep poverty are called terrorists. CIA agents trying to kill Fidel Castro with a bomb in a cigar ar not terrorists.

The label "Terrorist" is a label put on political enemies of the state, when and where it is convenient. I won't call you a bigot or a racist or a xenophobe for speaking out against people, but i will ALWAYS be ready to flame you if you just give in to hate-mongering propaganda, without even trying to see both sides of the story.
Ok, how about this.

1) Taliban were fighting for independence from USSR. Freedom fighters. Taliban started a war with the USA by sending their Al Qaeda proxy army to launch an unprovoked attack on our civilian population. Taliban become terrorists.

2) Hamas' main function is not to build day care centers. Mainly they work to eliminate Israel. Mainly they do so by using mortars, rockets, and suicide bombers to attack markets and residential areas. Terrorists.

3) Attempt on Castro's life: Castro wasn't a civilian. He's the head of the revolutionary communist party. Assasinating an enemy's leader isn't the same as blowing up a school.

the world is becoming racist xenophobic and bigotted. I blame the foreigners.
You win the thread!

You win the thread!

I can't give the medal for that one. Now if he would have said I blame all those brown-skinned foreigners. He left out racist and that is unforgivable.

What amazes me is that people on these threads take up one stance, then refuse to even listen to reason to the contrary. In this argument both sides have their merit.

Yes, we should all be able to agree that while not all Islamic worshipers or Muslims are terrorists, the majority of the terrorists active currently in the world are in fact Islamic. It would seem that Islamic countries are going through now what Christian countries went through a few hundred years ago, there is a good amount of stress between Muslims trying to move into the modern era and those who want to maintain the strict religious standpoint. Unfortunately, the highly religious Muslim group is the one that is shown every day on the news as committing an atrocity of some sort. In order to redeem their religion in the eyes of the world the majority of Muslims who are NOT extremists need to stand up to the ones that are. Instead of complaining about everybody else bashing on them they just need to show that they are not what everybody fears. It’s perfectly feasible for a religion to move into the modern world without having to give up what it is based on.

Yes, Christianity did have a dark time like Islam. We did have the inquisition. We did burn witches and strike out against those who do not follow the same religion. It’s happened in the past. Essentially every major religion (except for Buddhists as far as I know) has done this sort of thing. All of those religions however have grown sense they did that and have for the most part stopped. Instead of pointing your finger at other religions and saying "they did it first”, stop and look at yourself and say, "they did it, but they learned. Now it is our turn to stop, look at what we are doing, and learn from what has happened"

It’s pretty simple when you get down to the root of it. If people would stop being so hotheaded things might work out for once without having a major war fought over it. (Roman Empire expanding across Europe, Islam spreading across Europe, Christianity spreading across Europe... poor Europe)

the world is becoming racist xenophobic and bigotted. I blame the foreigners.
:D *Hands Zolworld a cookie*
Agreed...but the muslims will get whats coming to them.
And what, pray tell, would that be?

2) Hamas' main function is not to build day care centers.

Hey! I voted for Hamas because they promised higher-quality day-care centers. I could care less about their political ideology, but I want those day-care centers, and I'm sure a lot of other people do, too. Building more day-care centers would definately ease the Isreali-Palestinian tension.

Ok, how about this.

1) Taliban were fighting for independence from USSR. Freedom fighters. Taliban started a war with the USA by sending their Al Qaeda proxy army to launch an unprovoked attack on our civilian population. Taliban become terrorists.

ARRRRGGG.

Taliban did not fight Soviets. Taliban did not even exist when the Soviets were there.

Those who fought the Soviets were called Mujahideen, who had amongst their ranks Afghans from all ethnicities and all parts of Afghanistan. Some were nationalists like Ahmed Shah Masood (the commander of Northern Alliance who was assassinated two days before 9/11) and islamists like Gulbudin Hekmatyar and warlords of all shades in between.

Some Mujahideen did commit what can be called terrorism...forcing themselves upon unwilling people, extortion, subduing local population and pillaging etc. But their overall objective and actions were to overthrow the Soviet army and its puppet regime.

The taliban, OTOH, is an ethnic pushtun militia that was foisted on the Afghanis by the Pakistani regime AFTER the soviet withdrawal. The father of taliban is a Pakistani deobandi cleric.

Mujahideen != Taliban. Many an Afghan mujahideen were killed by the taliban. Your post is an insult to the likes of Ahmed Shah Masood who fought and gave his life for the very values that you claim to stand for.

ARRRRGGG.


There's no educating some people Arya. They don't want to even think that problems are created by anything except the US.

They don't want to even think that problems are created by anything except the US.

What next? Are you going to tell me that the Crusades were not started by the US? Pathetic.

There's no educating some people Arya. They don't want to even think that problems are created by anything except the US.

I would not be that harsh on DCD. He has indeed caught on when corrected.

US did not create taliban. US's walking away from the region and leaving it for the Pak military to play out their "Strategic depth" policy allowed the taliban to be foisted on the hapless Afghans.

Precisely why walking away from Iraq and leaving it to Iran's machinations would be an even bigger disaster than the disaster of invading Iraq in the first place.

PS: I made a few changes to the post. Pl snip the quote, so it is not misleading.

no kidding..

Crusades --> U.S.
Mongolian Invasion of Europe --> U.S.
Trojan War --> U.S.
Sicilian War --> U.S.

Dont forget we started all the civil wars in Europe. and american as a whole personally killed the High Ultimate l33t ruler of Europe in the war of 2099.

Luckily all of humanity will be united under the God Emperor (he is really a clone of Hitler, PolPot and George W combined into one super being) who will be born in 8000 BC. He will then take over the world by the 29th millennium.

Feh.

ARRRRGGG.

Taliban did not fight Soviets. Taliban did not even exist when the Soviets were there.

Those who fought the Soviets were called Mujahideen, who had amongst their ranks Afghans from all ethnicities and all parts of Afghanistan. Some were nationalists like Ahmed Shah Masood (the commander of Northern Alliance who was assassinated two days before 9/11) and islamists like Gulbudin Hekmatyar and warlords of all shades in between.

Some Mujahideen did commit what can be called terrorism...forcing themselves upon unwilling people, extortion, subduing local population and pillaging etc. But their overall objective and actions were to overthrow the Soviet army and its puppet regime.

The taliban, OTOH, is an ethnic pushtun militia that was foisted on the Afghanis by the Pakistani regime AFTER the soviet withdrawal. The father of taliban is a Pakistani deobandi cleric.

Mujahideen != Taliban. Many an Afghan mujahideen were killed by the taliban. Your post is an insult to the likes of Ahmed Shah Masood who fought and gave his life for the very values that you claim to stand for.

I'll admit it. I was educated by this post. Thank you.

Ok, how about this.

1) Taliban were fighting for independence from USSR. Freedom fighters. Taliban started a war with the USA by sending their Al Qaeda proxy army to launch an unprovoked attack on our civilian population. Taliban become terrorists.

2) Hamas' main function is not to build day care centers. Mainly they work to eliminate Israel. Mainly they do so by using mortars, rockets, and suicide bombers to attack markets and residential areas. Terrorists.

3) Attempt on Castro's life: Castro wasn't a civilian. He's the head of the revolutionary communist party. Assasinating an enemy's leader isn't the same as blowing up a school.

Good points, but...
1)Right. Al Qaeda certainly qualifies as Terrorists in my book too, but Taleban? Can a Government be a terrorist? Isn't any attack on another country's civilian population, conducted by a government, an act of war? If not, then many American governments have qualified as Terrorists. But never mind that, what I was refering to here, although i see that I was too unclear, was the private Afghani citizen, the farmer with the kalashnikow defending his farm, totally unaware of what his governments politics on the subject is. HIS label has been changed from "Freedom Fighter" to "Terrorist".

2)Again you are mostly right, allthough I'm not sure that Hamas is mainly working to blow things, and innocents, up. My point here is that the elderly woman working in the daycare-center is also labeled a Terrorist, and because of this, it is just as illegal for me to support her as it is to support a suicide bomber.

3)I disagree. Just because you're a revolutionary leader doesn't mean that you're free game. That would also have to count for the leaders of the American revolution, the French revolution, the Czeck revolution, and any other nation trying to brake away from repression. I agree that assasinating an enemy leader is not the same as blowing up a school, but it would still be labeled terrorism if Taleban or Hamas assasinated an enemy leader.

It's all about Point of Wiew, and i don't think there will ever be peace if people don't learn to se more of them.