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Whilst I am no mood to assert, and prove, that Christianity is an apocryphal, anachronistic and restrictive faith (irony meter rising:p ), I do have a somewhat self absorbed point to make.

Essentially, the school/ college (it is a thoroughly unconventional arrangement, you may be informed at a later date) I attend has, most lamentably, a christian union, who utilise the sixth form common room every thursday lunchtime to hold their happy club. The adherents therein, we have surmised after a term and a half of observation are exclusively:

- abysmally unattractive
- in possession of self-righteous, zealous personalities
- seriously lacking in personal hygene
- ignorant of deodorent
- socially inept
- unable to dress themselves with any style
- unable to order any desirable food

Has anybody else found this to be true?

Disagree with everything except the style comment, which you've admittedly got a point on.

The only thing I remember about my school's christian union is the very low attendance. I think agnostics were the majority.

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OH MY GOD GOD TYPES IN ALL CAPS HOW SOCIALLY INEPT IS HE?

Religion in general appeals to the socially moronic and outcast. It gives them a feeling of acceptance they crave.


Religion preys on the weak.

OH MY GOD GOD TYPES IN ALL CAPS HOW SOCIALLY INEPT IS HE?

Do not question the typing of God, for the worst typos of God are greater than the greatest eloquence of man... [/Misquote Bible]

Whilst I am no mood to assert, and prove, that Christianity is an apocryphal, anachronistic and restrictive faith (irony meter rising:p ), I do have a somewhat self absorbed point to make.

Essentially, the school/ college (it is a thoroughly unconventional arrangement, you may be informed at a later date) I attend has, most lamentably, a christian union, who utilise the sixth form common room every thursday lunchtime to hold their happy club. The adherents therein, we have surmised after a term and a half of observation are exclusively:

- abysmally unattractive
- in possession of self-righteous, zealous personalities
- seriously lacking in personal hygene
- ignorant of deodorent
- socially inept
- unable to dress themselves with any style
- unable to order any desirable food

Has anybody else found this to be true?
Perhaps that's just your prejudice showing, or perhaps they are representative of those who need a belief system in which to believe, or perhaps they're just poor.

OH MY GOD GOD TYPES IN ALL CAPS HOW SOCIALLY INEPT IS HE?

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- ignorant of deodorent

Religion destroys your knowledge of deoderent? :confused:

Religion in general appeals to the socially moronic and outcast. It gives them a feeling of acceptance they crave.


Religion preys on the weak.
Would you like to offer proof for that fundamentally flawed and biased statement?

I can agree with most of that, but some of the Super-Christians here are kind of cute. They also seem to be fairly hygienic.

Perhaps that's just your prejudice showing, or perhaps they are representative of those who need a belief system in which to believe, or perhaps they're just poor.
yes. also they could care about the more important issues in life (yes, there really are more important issues than how you dress, how you smell, how you look, and what you eat)

yes. also they could care about the more important issues in life (yes, there really are more important issues than how you dress, how you smell, how you look, and what you eat)
You mean like intelligence or ability? No way! :rolleyes:

Religion in general appeals to the socially moronic and outcast. It gives them a feeling of acceptance they crave.


Religion preys on the weak.

that is utter crap. Religion has been the foundation of most societies in the world since the beginning of society. Societies in our own country are based on religious principals and there are period in history where the socially acceptable ideal was a life of religion. Now a days that's not the ideal in our society but that doesn't mean that it's for the socially moronic. That's like saying polyester suits are for the socially moronic, it is a part of culture and culture changes to accept and reject different things.

And the 'religion preys on the weak' is wrong as well, the weak may get enslaved by religion, but many strong willed and opinionated people regularly discuss religion along with philosphy. Every aspect of life has weak and strong people. To return to the socially acceptable idea again we can argue that fashion preys on the weak. Look at all those people who feel the need to keep with the latest trends. If they had a spine they'd stick with what they thought they looked good in instead of moving on and not care about what the rest think.

One cannot exclude all facets of life to make one seem worse than those others.

Buddy,

I think you should get to know more Christians before assuming that this deodorant ignoring socially inept bunch represents millions of people the world over. So, get to know more Christian folk before labeling them all.

Do not question the typing of God, for the worst typos of God are greater than the greatest eloquence of man... [/Misquote Bible]

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Do not question the typing of God, for the worst typos of God are greater than the greatest eloquence of man... [/Misquote Bible]
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Religion in general appeals to the socially moronic and outcast. It gives them a feeling of acceptance they crave.


Religion preys on the weak.

Preying implies a negative aspect to religion. How does religion do something negative.

You mean like intelligence or ability? No way! :rolleyes:
what if I told you there were even more important things than those?

what if I told you there were even more important things than those?

Alcohol? :confused:

Sure, Christians are weird, but you can't hold it against them.
It's not their fault they were brain-washed by society, their family, or - in the case of Born-Again Christians - the guy who dropped the soap in the prison shower-block.

Preying implies a negative aspect to religion. How does religion do something negative.

Are you serious?

Preying implies a negative aspect to religion. How does religion do something negative.
While I don't agree with the original poster on that, Religion does have a real negative aspect to it; it encourages cultural stereotyping. The very act of associating one's self with the Christian or Muslim (or whatever) name is to declare solidarity with others who associate themselves with that name, which in turn implies that you wish to be associated with the others who assign themselves the same religion as yourself.

Blah Blah BlahThump your bible somewhere else. Religion is a crutch, a tool. You're not gonna convince me it is a cornerstone of civilization and we'd be nowhere without it.



Preying implies a negative aspect to religion. How does religion do something negative.Too many people have lied, too many people have died, all in the name of God. Wars have been waged and civilizations destroyed in the name of religion.

Do you really need to ask that question?

Buddy,

I think you should get to know more Christians before assuming that this deodorant ignoring socially inept bunch represents millions of people the world over. So, get to know more Christian folk before labeling them all.
did he say that it generalized to the entire faith? i thought he was suggesting that there is something wrong with people who feel the need to join "the christian union"

I don't think it's all that fair to attack all christians like that. I mean, I know plenty of christians who are good people, stylish, hygienic, and so on. I may not agree with them at all (I'm an atheist), but I respect them for being able to somehow have faith in something without any proof at all. That takes willpower. :rolleyes:

Despite your sarcasm and sweeping generalizations, God still loves all of you.

The Christian Union at my old school didn't fit with any of the OP's comments.

They were perhaps a little narrow-minded, but I was there to help them with that. I don't mean narrow-minded in a sense of ignoring all other views...just unaware that intelligent, thinking people could hold opposite views to their own...and I guess recognising that is just a maturity thing.

I was the only non-Christian there. I was not unique in any other way out of that group.

Despite your sarcasm and sweeping generalizations, God still loves all of you.
I hope you're saracstic...

To answer the obvious question of why, as at minimum an agnostic, I was there - two of my best friends were running it, and I was bored.

Thump your bible somewhere else. Religion is a crutch, a tool. You're not gonna convince me it is a cornerstone of civilization and we'd be nowhere without it.


Too many people have lied, too many people have died, all in the name of God. Wars have been waged and civilizations destroyed in the name of religion.

Do you really need to ask that question?

I'm not thumping the bible and I'm not saying that we'd be no where without religion, I'm saying that religion is and has always been part of society.

In terms of religion, I'm fairly agnostic and follow a philosophy rather than religion, so I am in no way thumping the bible.

Still you cannot disagree that there are weak people in everything not just in religion as you seem to think. many businessmen are slaves to their money, many people in general are slaves to fashion, many people are slaves to religion, the internet, patriotism, etc. Religion is not special and doesn't deserve special criticism or praise.

I'm quite sarcastic, but I'm a Christian, and not ashamed of it. Its really sad to see such a popular thread attacking Christianity.

I don't think it takes willpower to blindly believe what you are told regardless of how ridiculous it is, and not question it. I may take willpower to try to follow some of the requirements of xtianity, like no premarital sex. But, then again, how many of them actually do follow that one?

I think that most people who join clubs at school are weird or quirky in one way or another.

I for one am quite clean, dress with some style, and am regularly approached by the opposite sex.

And, living in a predominantly Christian suburb of Los Angeles, I can say that there is no odor problem here. Plus, most people I meet here are unfailingly polite and cheery.

Anecdote:
A couple of weeks ago, my wife lost her wedding band while shopping in a humongous grocery store (Ralphs), and didn't realize until she had returned home. Without much hope, she called the store anyway, and was told that it had been turned in to the manager.

The last Los Angeles suburb in which we lived, we would never have seen that gold band again. I think it has something to do with the bright and cheery atmosphere enveloping the whole town...;) :)

I hope you're saracstic...
I don't see the sarcasm there, or the need for it, to be honest. A lot of the statements were sweeping generalisations, and some people do believe that their specific God loves everyone.

The only thing I remember about my school's christian union is the very low attendance. I think agnostics were the majority.

perhaps, or most people just dont give a damn, i cant stand people that feel just because you have something in common you should form a group. and i personally cant stand being around people that think they are more rightous then everyone else. its sad really, they are the public image of a religion they cant even follow

I don't see the sarcasm there, or the need for it, to be honest. A lot of the statements were sweeping generalisations, and some people do believe that their specific God loves everyone.
Still. On General? You get eaten alive for saying shit like that.

that is utter crap. Religion has been the foundation of most societies in the world since the beginning of society. Societies in our own country are based on religious principals and there are period in history where the socially acceptable ideal was a life of religion. Now a days that's not the ideal in our society but that doesn't mean that it's for the socially moronic. That's like saying polyester suits are for the socially moronic, it is a part of culture and culture changes to accept and reject different things.

And the 'religion preys on the weak' is wrong as well, the weak may get enslaved by religion, but many strong willed and opinionated people regularly discuss religion along with philosphy. Every aspect of life has weak and strong people. To return to the socially acceptable idea again we can argue that fashion preys on the weak. Look at all those people who feel the need to keep with the latest trends. If they had a spine they'd stick with what they thought they looked good in instead of moving on and not care about what the rest think.

One cannot exclude all facets of life to make one seem worse than those others.


cannot agree more

I'm quite sarcastic, but I'm a Christian, and not ashamed of it. Its really sad to see such a popular thread attacking Christianity.
Well... welcome to General, I guess. All religious threads start out this way; the ones that get past 10 pages or so tend to become more insightful.

perhaps, or most people just dont give a damn, i cant stand people that feel just because you have something in common you should form a group. and i personally cant stand being around people that think they are more rightous then everyone else. its sad really, they are the public image of a religion they cant even follow

And how can you know how they feel if you don't interact with them?

And how do you know how closely they follow Christ if you don't get to know them?

:confused:

perhaps, or most people just dont give a damn, i cant stand people that feel just because you have something in common you should form a group. and i personally cant stand being around people that think they are more rightous then everyone else. its sad really, they are the public image of a religion they cant even follow

Oh I certainly wasn't implying that all christians went to CU. Not the case. But there was an actual "raise your hands if" session in a lesson where we discussed the existence (or lack thereof) of God.

I'm not thumping the bible and I'm not saying that we'd be no where without religion, I'm saying that religion is and has always been part of society.

In terms of religion, I'm fairly agnostic and follow a philosophy rather than religion, so I am in no way thumping the bible.

Still you cannot disagree that there are weak people in everything not just in religion as you seem to think. many businessmen are slaves to their money, many people in general are slaves to fashion, many people are slaves to religion, the internet, patriotism, etc. Religion is not special and doesn't deserve special criticism or praise.My criticism isn't any more special than that I reserve for other topics, but it is deserved and I'll offer it up any time the subject is broached. Greed and corruption have always been a part of society also and I have nothing kind to offer about them either.

I'm quite sarcastic, but I'm a Christian, and not ashamed of it. Its really sad to see such a popular thread attacking Christianity.
you will soon learn, ns general has a very loud and often obnoxious atheist voice, but it does also have an obnoxious religious side to, try to stay middle of the road, no one really gives a damn about you then

Still. On General? You get eaten alive for saying shit like that.
Not if you've got a neat little philosophy to back it up. Some of us could quite easily create a topic named "God loves you" and not get a rise from anyone.

And how can you know how they feel if you don't interact with them?

who says i have never interacted with them?

And how do you know how closely they follow Christ if you don't get to know them?

i had the misfortune of being part of one of their groups for a week, i was kind of dragged a long by someone.

they utterly pissed me off, their attitude of everyone not in their group, their seriousness about anything.

maybe i was just in a very stuck up nerdy group of them

but from what i have seen, most are like that.

try to stay middle of the road, no one really gives a damn about you then
That's because it's reasonable. Being reasonable on these boards gets you ignored.

-abysmally unattractive - You can find a picture of me here http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=1429123. Though, as a former model.. I can assure you that neither I, or my children are abysmally unattractive.

- in possession of self-righteous, zealous personalities - I have friends that smoke, drink, do drugs and are of all different faiths.. from muslim and hindu to pagan. I don't judge them.. they don't judge me.. and, we manage to not only get along.. but, genuinely love each other. (and, we never preach at each other either)

- seriously lacking in personal hygene-I'm so OCD about cleanliness that I'm probably more hygenic than you are.

- ignorant of deodorent - see above

- socially inept - I own my own business and have quite a few high profile friends, have been asked out by pro football players and am the girlfriend of the lead guitarist of a popular local band. I spend 90% of my day doing business with and entertaining people. My social skills are in excellent order, thank you very much.

- unable to dress themselves with any style - seeing as how I'm in a fashion industry, this too is false

- unable to order any desirable food - my tastes may be different than yours.. but, I prefer steak and lobster.. along with the occassional order of chinese take out.. or italian. You be the judge.. I think my food tastes are pretty standard.

And, I can assure you that my children, and my man meet the above laid out standards as well. There are three ministers in my family and I'm an exceptionally devout Christian since my early child hood. I know of very few people, that are of my faith, that are the way that you have described. To be honest.. I know more non christians who spend far too much time on their computers worrying about other people's beliefs who are the way you have described Christians.

As a matter of fact, I might go so far as to point the finger and accuse you have having a self righteous and zealous personality, just based on this post alone. But.. then again.. unlike some other people in this forum.. I don't judge people. It's just an observation.

Religion in general appeals to the socially moronic and outcast. It gives them a feeling of acceptance they crave.


Religion preys on the weak.


This is total bullcrap if you ask me.
I am a christian myself and I am neather weak or moronic
I have a 4.0 GPA and most of My youth group has the same.
We do the same things regular kids do we just think some things are wrong.
Some of the greatest men of all times were christians and they were not WEAK OR MORONIC

Not if you've got a neat little philosophy to back it up. Some of us could quite easily create a topic named "God loves you" and not get a rise from anyone.
Well when you're a new member...

The topic isChristianity, so I gotta defend my beliefs, while refraining from attacking others. Try it sometime.

religion is the single most brilliant system of control ever concieved. it was also pretty much one of the first systems ever, and the fact that it has been around for so long make's it very powerful. take for example the # of people that have died in the name of some religion. religion has killed so many people that it is second only to disease. more than half of the major wars through out time were over some stupid religious principle which btw had more cumulative casualties than every other war ever conducted over something sensible like land or world domination or something i.e WW1 &2 etc. all of these people keep killing each other over something they have NO proof of. but they do it anyway because they have given themselves to faith. I think i am with Lost Planet when I say only the weak minded allow themselves to be blinded by any form of faith. It is easy to have faith in something else, or anything for that matter, when you have no faith in your self. :) After all, why have control of your own self when it is so much easier to be controlled?

My criticism isn't any more special than that I reserve for other topics, but it is deserved and I'll offer it up any time the subject is broached. Greed and corruption have always been a part of society also and I have nothing kind to offer about them either.

If you believe that then why do you reserve the thoughts and just attack religion? Religion is not solely responsible for all the bad in the world but until now you made it seem as though you believed it was.

religion is the single most brilliant system of control ever concieved. it was also pretty much one of the first systems ever, and the fact that it has been around for so long make's it very powerful. take for example the # of people that have died in the name of some religion. religion has killed so many people that it is second only to disease. more than half of the major wars through out time were over some stupid religious principle which btw had more cumulative casualties than every other war ever conducted over something sensible like land or world domination or something i.e WW1 &2 etc. all of these people keep killing each other over something they have NO proof of. but they do it anyway because they have given themselves to faith. I think i am with Lost Planet when I say only the weak minded allow themselves to be blinded by any form of faith. It is easy to have faith in something else, or anything for that matter, when you have no faith in your self. :) After all, why have control of your own self when it is so much easier to be controlled?

again I say that religion is not the only thing that preys on the weak. you may have missed that earlier. Religion just happens to be one of many aspects people give themselves into, so don't attack it without acknowledging the others as fair game for criticism. And having faith in something is not a weak-minded exorcise. Lets take the situation that someone gets incredibly sick, that person would have at least some faith in the medical system to make them better. Are you saying that the person in this situation should have no faith in the medical system and have faith that his or her body will cure its self? Is it weak minded to think that someone else can make you recover from a debilitating disease? if not then why is it any different to have faith in your country, or the economy, or religion?

i will openly admit that religion is not the only thing that people will blindly give them selves to. but dont mistake faith for hope. if a person is mortally ill, unless they are crazy, they wouldn't have "faith" in medicine, they would have hope. they never "know" if it is going to work but they "hope" that it will. if they had "faith" in it, they would "know" that it was going to work for them. and i state again jsut for clarity that i understand that religion isn't the only thing blinding people with faith. But I do believe it is the most acute. Nothing that people will have enough faith in to kill over will ever achieve the body count that religion currently has. Is this bad? i can't really say because i really don't care. but it does sound very, very, bad when people actually say it.

glad we can come to some kind of agreement

aye i think were the first people here to do it too. which is weird cause it seems to me like we have 2 totally conflicting views of the world, but then again im a hopless and a pessimist with no faith/hope in mankind or any of its devices:headbang: .

we aren't supposed to like them.........

eh?:confused:

yes. also they could care about the more important issues in life (yes, there really are more important issues than how you dress, how you smell, how you look, and what you eat)
Reeeely??? [ shocked look ] And here I've devoted most of my life to the accumulation of sweet scents, a well-stocked wardrobe, and a large larder of exotic foods! Argh! I've wasted my life! Kill me! Kll me! :D

Whilst I am no mood to assert, and prove, that Christianity is an apocryphal, anachronistic and restrictive faith (irony meter rising:p ), I do have a somewhat self absorbed point to make.

Essentially, the school/ college (it is a thoroughly unconventional arrangement, you may be informed at a later date) I attend has, most lamentably, a christian union, who utilise the sixth form common room every thursday lunchtime to hold their happy club. The adherents therein, we have surmised after a term and a half of observation are exclusively:

- abysmally unattractive
- in possession of self-righteous, zealous personalities
- seriously lacking in personal hygene
- ignorant of deodorent
- socially inept
- unable to dress themselves with any style
- unable to order any desirable food

Has anybody else found this to be true?


The primary function of any CU is as a dating service for geeks (not cool techie geeks; actual geeks)

On a more interesting note; so you're a sixth former? Now things make more sense.

Reeeely??? [ shocked look ] And here I've devoted most of my life to the accumulation of sweet scents, a well-stocked wardrobe, and a large larder of exotic foods! Argh! I've wasted my life! Kill me! Kll me! :D
I can't.

Jesus said it wasn't nice to kill people;)

This is total bullcrap if you ask me.
I am a christian myself and I am neather weak or moronic
I have a 4.0 GPA and most of My youth group has the same.
We do the same things regular kids do we just think some things are wrong.
Some of the greatest men of all times were christians and they were not WEAK OR MORONICAhem, a social moron isn't the same thing as an itellectual moron.

Judging by your name, the fact that you belong to a 'youth group', and didn't recognize the term "social moron", I'd say you qualify.

Thanks for giving me a shining example of what I was talking about.

If you believe that then why do you reserve the thoughts and just attack religion? Because this thread is about religion, genius.
Religion is not solely responsible for all the bad in the world but until now you made it seem as though you believed it was.Religion isn't responsible for all the bad in the world. Just a large part of it.

I do acknowledge that religion is also responsible for a lot of good in the world. I just think that it doesn't balance out the bad, especially in todays world. Religion had it's day, time to grow up. We need to face the boogie man without the security blanket.

Perhaps that's just your prejudice showing, or perhaps they are representative of those who need a belief system in which to believe, or perhaps they're just poor.

Thats just it, they are all nauseatingly affluent.:(

-abysmally unattractive - You can find a picture of me here http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=1429123. Though, as a former model.. I can assure you that neither I, or my children are abysmally unattractive.

- in possession of self-righteous, zealous personalities - I have friends that smoke, drink, do drugs and are of all different faiths.. from muslim and hindu to pagan. I don't judge them.. they don't judge me.. and, we manage to not only get along.. but, genuinely love each other. (and, we never preach at each other either)

- seriously lacking in personal hygene-I'm so OCD about cleanliness that I'm probably more hygenic than you are.

- ignorant of deodorent - see above

- socially inept - I own my own business and have quite a few high profile friends, have been asked out by pro football players and am the girlfriend of the lead guitarist of a popular local band. I spend 90% of my day doing business with and entertaining people. My social skills are in excellent order, thank you very much.

- unable to dress themselves with any style - seeing as how I'm in a fashion industry, this too is false

- unable to order any desirable food - my tastes may be different than yours.. but, I prefer steak and lobster.. along with the occassional order of chinese take out.. or italian. You be the judge.. I think my food tastes are pretty standard.

And, I can assure you that my children, and my man meet the above laid out standards as well. There are three ministers in my family and I'm an exceptionally devout Christian since my early child hood. I know of very few people, that are of my faith, that are the way that you have described. To be honest.. I know more non christians who spend far too much time on their computers worrying about other people's beliefs who are the way you have described Christians.

As a matter of fact, I might go so far as to point the finger and accuse you have having a self righteous and zealous personality, just based on this post alone. But.. then again.. unlike some other people in this forum.. I don't judge people. It's just an observation.

Three points.

Firstly, you live in the US, not Britain, ergo the circumstances are somewhat different.

Secondly, MySpace is the abode of repressed alternative teens, a tad old to be on MySpace no?

Thirdly, I am reticent to say so, but no sweetie, you were never a model, your photo is redolent of my quintissential image of a christian, not a fashion model, and frankly, models are fit.

Thirdly, I am reticent to say so, but no sweetie, you were never a model, your photo is redolent of my quintissential image of a christian, not a fashion model, and frankly, models are fit.
did you miss the part where she said she had kids?

oh, and she didn't say she was a fashion model, she just said she was a model, models come in all shapes, and sizes and looks.

Fashion models are the only ones that have to be 6'1" and 4 pounds. :rolleyes:

did you miss the part where she said she had kids?

oh, and she didn't say she was a fashion model, she just said she was a model, models come in all shapes, and sizes and looks.

Fashion models are the only ones that have to be 6'1" and 4 pounds. :rolleyes:

Besides the point, she contended that she was not abysmally unattractive, I contend that from that photo, and in the absence of corrective surgery, she is.

Moreover, irrespective of models not all being twigs, it does not negate the fact that they are required to be attractive nonetheless.

Besides the point, she contended that she was not abysmally unattractive, I contend that from that photo, and in the absence of corrective surgery, she is.
I don't think she is unattractive, although with your comments thus far I can assume you are.