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I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies. I think he is the best president this country has ever seen. The tax cuts have done wonders for the economy. The defecits I think are good, it just means the government isnt stealing our money like those pesky surpluses. The war on terror has gone perfectly, he even flew his jet on to an aircraft carrier to tell everyone how well Iraq went. He also right on all social issues, I mean come on, he TALKS TO JESUS! So he knows what jesus wants. I salute you Mr. President! What do you all think,poll coming.

He's not the greatest anything.

I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies. I think he is the best president this country has ever seen. The tax cuts have done wonders for the economy. The defecits I think are good, it just means the government isnt stealing our money like those pesky surpluses. The war on terror has gone perfectly, he even flew his jet on to an aircraft carrier to tell everyone how well Iraq went. He also right on all social issues, I mean come on, he TALKS TO JESUS! So he knows what jesus wants. I salute you Mr. President! What do you all think,poll coming.
LOL! Please shut up. :D

Is this sarcastic or not? Coming from a child torturer I'd say not.

Are you even serious?

But anyways, I don't think he's all that bad, but I do not in any way think he's the greatest.

I don't really support him, I prefer him than some others that we have had and would have had. but in no way am I anti-bush.

Oh no,not again

I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies. I think he is the best president this country has ever seen. The tax cuts have done wonders for the economy. The defecits I think are good, it just means the government isnt stealing our money like those pesky surpluses. The war on terror has gone perfectly, he even flew his jet on to an aircraft carrier to tell everyone how well Iraq went. He also right on all social issues, I mean come on, he TALKS TO JESUS! So he knows what jesus wants. I salute you Mr. President! What do you all think,poll coming.

please... tell me you were kidding. seriously, the war on terror hasn't gone perfectly, first of all he didn't fly the jet, second of all it was a PR stunt that failed miserably when 2,000 people died after "all major operations have ended". if anything he created more terror groups because now everyone hates us for invading the middle east, the economy is bad, the defecit has gone up since his presidency, in fact he created the defecits. I'm not seeing how the defecits can be good, it means he cuts needed programs or raises our taxes, and the rich get their taxes cut, surpluses mean we can handle problems (Katrina) without having to borrow money from other nations.

He talks to Jesus!? where are you getting this from? Pat Robertson?

This guy is funnier than AIDS

I sincerely hope the original post was deeply, deeply ironic, it was phrased as such.

This thread amuses me.

I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies.
Can you say 'Monica Lewinski' all over again? :)

This thread amuses me.
It will still crank up a good 1,000 or so posts.... :rolleyes:

It will still crank up a good 1,000 or so posts.... :rolleyes:
I guess I'll contribute to those 1.000 as well.
Notice the lack of "," in "1.000".
That's not English. /randomness

Oh no,not again
Oh yes, here we go again... Sanity, you're a madman! :D

Is this sarcastic or not? Coming from a child torturer I'd say not.
I havent tortured kids

I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies. I think he is the best president this country has ever seen. The tax cuts have done wonders for the economy. The defecits I think are good, it just means the government isnt stealing our money like those pesky surpluses. The war on terror has gone perfectly, he even flew his jet on to an aircraft carrier to tell everyone how well Iraq went. He also right on all social issues, I mean come on, he TALKS TO JESUS! So he knows what jesus wants. I salute you Mr. President! What do you all think,poll coming.
You know if people like me and, say, Greenlander or Honky in Black don't get on here and share our searing vitriol, there's a chance this thread just may be recognized as not quite on the level ... :D


But since that isn't helpful, i'll just say, oh, wow! Can i help deliver your babies?

Given the composition of the first post, in addition to the lack of negative options in the poll, I can safely conclude this guy is simply bored. He decided to start a thread and have fun reading criticism about the worst president in USian history. :)

all i can say about gwb jr is he takes after his dad :mp5: :D

Very funny. :p

Very funny.
Left.Mmm...a moderate. :p Right.

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That was an assasination attempt by the legue of Pooh
The Brears are going to get you

It's greatestest and EVAR!!!!!111!!one!11lll

Right?

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he's not our greatest president ever -- that was Lincoln -- but he's not too bad either. Things I like:

1) Lowering our taxes, which has put more money in our pockets with which to invest and purchase things -- putting money intot he economy, which has helped (the economy is now pretty healthy: fairly low unemployment, strengthening Dow/investment markets, etc.)

2) Rather than back down, he's got our armed forces chasing terrorists around the world or killing them in Iraq. The fact is, we haven't suffered an attack since 9/11. I shudder to think what would've happened had a weaker president been in charge after 9/11.

3) Despite the rancor coming from the Left, our rights have not been curbed. UNLESS YOU'RE A TERRORIST or talking to terrorists, you don't have to worry about anyone tracking overseas calls to you. Cripes, get a grip people. The only people this should affect are terrorists. Should terrorists have the right to talk about how they're going to blow you up? IMO, no. The rights of (fairly) law-abiding citizens haven't been harmed one bit.

4) Iraq could have been handled better (both operationally and in the press). "Major combat operations" must have meant, to him, the actual war. He could have been more clear in regards to operations -- we clearly weren't finished when the Iraqi forces surrendered. He could have said something like, "Now we'll be fighting the terrorists who want to destroy Iraq's democratic infancy" or something like that. Except he would have probably said "inferncy". hehe

I think he thought that Saddam's WMDs were in Iraq (which means that he didn't lie, but simply was wrong). Regardless, we were justified in taking Saddam down and giving the IRaqis the chance to vote for their own leaders -- they showed that they valued freedom by showing up en masse to vote -- many of them braving bullets to do so.

3) Despite the rancor coming from the Left, our rights have not been curbed. UNLESS YOU'RE A TERRORIST or talking to terrorists, you don't have to worry about anyone tracking overseas calls to you. Cripes, get a grip people. The only people this should affect are terrorists. Should terrorists have the right to talk about how they're going to blow you up? IMO, no. The rights of (fairly) law-abiding citizens haven't been harmed one bit.

Tell that to the people in Guantanamo Bay...

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You don't even get the point of this thread. *zoom*
You have either *no* sense of pattern recognition or you truly look for any sympathetic outlet you can for your wistful, psychologically ataxic prose.
Let me wring it out for you! Jeez, man, you got no class.

actually they can track anyone's calls if they think he/she's a terrorist, and they discovered most people being tapped were not terroristsd at all, but their privacy was invaded
Just remember: those that would trade freedom for false security deserve neither

He's not the greatest anything.
What are you talking about? He's one of the most accomplished illiterate cretins.

I think he is the best president this country has ever seen.

Think about the implications of this sentence ...

>.<

3) Despite the rancor coming from the Left, our rights have not been curbed. UNLESS YOU'RE A TERRORIST or talking to terrorists, you don't have to worry about anyone tracking overseas calls to you. Cripes, get a grip people. The only people this should affect are terrorists. Should terrorists have the right to talk about how they're going to blow you up? IMO, no. The rights of (fairly) law-abiding citizens haven't been harmed one bit.

Thank God that terrorists and people who talk to terrorists have glowing neon signs over their heads so the government knows exactly who they are, eh?

The 'W' stands for 'Walker'?
I always thought it was wan... I'll stop there:p

What are you talking about? He's one of the most accomplished illiterate cretins.
True, his own monumental stupidity has only been one torrential, desperate step behind him, thanks to other arseholes cleaing the path for him. It's when he tries to think for himself that everything catches up.

The 'W' stands for 'Walker'?
I always thought it was wan... I'll stop there:p

Yes but you spelled it wrong, it's not a 'l'...

he's not our greatest president ever -- that was Lincoln -- but he's not too bad either. Things I like:

1) Lowering our taxes, which has put more money in our pockets with which to invest and purchase things -- putting money intot he economy, which has helped (the economy is now pretty healthy: fairly low unemployment, strengthening Dow/investment markets, etc.)

2) Rather than back down, he's got our armed forces chasing terrorists around the world or killing them in Iraq. The fact is, we haven't suffered an attack since 9/11. I shudder to think what would've happened had a weaker president been in charge after 9/11.

3) Despite the rancor coming from the Left, our rights have not been curbed. UNLESS YOU'RE A TERRORIST or talking to terrorists, you don't have to worry about anyone tracking overseas calls to you. Cripes, get a grip people. The only people this should affect are terrorists. Should terrorists have the right to talk about how they're going to blow you up? IMO, no. The rights of (fairly) law-abiding citizens haven't been harmed one bit.

4) Iraq could have been handled better (both operationally and in the press). "Major combat operations" must have meant, to him, the actual war. He could have been more clear in regards to operations -- we clearly weren't finished when the Iraqi forces surrendered. He could have said something like, "Now we'll be fighting the terrorists who want to destroy Iraq's democratic infancy" or something like that. Except he would have probably said "inferncy". hehe

I think he thought that Saddam's WMDs were in Iraq (which means that he didn't lie, but simply was wrong). Regardless, we were justified in taking Saddam down and giving the IRaqis the chance to vote for their own leaders -- they showed that they valued freedom by showing up en masse to vote -- many of them braving bullets to do so.
1) your right, I like my money. I mean, do we really NEED welfare? No, if something bad happens to you through no fault of your own, dont whine to the Government, you should have had better luck.
2)right again, everyone knows Saddam was a radical muslim and had hunreds of radical muslim training sites in Baghdad. I to shudder to think what would happen if we had a President who worked with the international community or worried about port sercurity, come on there are just containers, whats the worst that could happen?
3) Right once again. I think wire taps should be mandatory in every home, just so no one says anything out of line. Im thinking of calling the NSA requesting they tap my lines, it would make me feel safer, just in case bin Laden calls.
4) Very true, except I disagree with you in that I think it couldnt have gone better. They voted, and everyone knows a few elections are more than enough to fix years of ethnic unrest and disagreement.

Thank God that terrorists and people who talk to terrorists have glowing neon signs over their heads so the government knows exactly who they are, eh?
I hear they cluster at Pizza Hut .. at least, that's what the NSA had to say about it.
Besides, when things get dicey, it's just easy to change the alert level, make a public statement from Gonzales, and attack "the liberals" and "everything they stand for". And whatever the administration says, goes!

Yes but you spelled it wrong, it's not a 'l'...
See that's the thing - it's not silent, it's pronounced with an "n" sound. :D

1) your right, I like my money. I mean, do we really NEED welfare? No, if something bad happens to you through no fault of your own, dont whine to the Government, you should have had better luck.
2)right again, everyone knows Saddam was a radical muslim and had hunreds of radical muslim training sites in Baghdad. I to shudder to think what would happen if we had a President who worked with the international community or worried about port sercurity, come on there are just containers, whats the worst that could happen?
3) Right once again. I think wire taps should be mandatory in every home, just so no one says anything out of line. Im thinking of calling the NSA requesting they tap my lines, it would make me feel safer, just in case bin Laden calls.
4) Very true, except I disagree with you in that I think it couldnt have gone better. They voted, and everyone knows a few elections are more than enough to fix years of ethnic unrest and disagreement.
*FLORT*
Hahahaha!
You wouldn't be incensed if someone like me or another poster here clip & pasted this post for future posterity, would you?

I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies. I think he is the best president this country has ever seen. The tax cuts have done wonders for the economy. The defecits I think are good, it just means the government isnt stealing our money like those pesky surpluses. The war on terror has gone perfectly, he even flew his jet on to an aircraft carrier to tell everyone how well Iraq went. He also right on all social issues, I mean come on, he TALKS TO JESUS! So he knows what jesus wants. I salute you Mr. President! What do you all think,poll coming.

Please enlighten us with the item you are smoking, so we may order it and bring ourselves into your corrupt delusional beliefs.

The author of this thread seriously needs to have her head examined. And be sterilized.

*FLORT*
Hahahaha!
You wouldn't be incensed if someone like me or another poster here clip & pasted this post for future posterity, would you?
Not at all, do what you like with it:cool:

he's not our greatest president ever -- that was Lincoln -- but he's not too bad either. Things I like:

1) Lowering our taxes, which has put more money in our pockets with which to invest and purchase things -- putting money intot he economy, which has helped (the economy is now pretty healthy: fairly low unemployment, strengthening Dow/investment markets, etc.)

I've talked to marketing traders about this. its true, the economy is very strong right now. The unemployment rate Is down (despite what liberal media will tell you)


2) Rather than back down, he's got our armed forces chasing terrorists around the world or killing them in Iraq. The fact is, we haven't suffered an attack since 9/11. I shudder to think what would've happened had a weaker president been in charge after 9/11.

I agree, what if Gore would have been in office?..
"well.. the UN and france say we shouldnt fight back when we are attacked.. so.. I guess we wont do anything"

3) Despite the rancor coming from the Left, our rights have not been curbed. UNLESS YOU'RE A TERRORIST or talking to terrorists, you don't have to worry about anyone tracking overseas calls to you. Cripes, get a grip people. The only people this should affect are terrorists. Should terrorists have the right to talk about how they're going to blow you up? IMO, no. The rights of (fairly) law-abiding citizens haven't been harmed one bit.

Oh NO! the government is going to hear me and my friends talking about our BBQ. Or they are going to catch me downloading Pr0n while playing video games! What ever will I do!.. Feh, the program running now isnt even going after in country calls, just ones leaving or entering the country. 99.99999% of people will not be effected at all from this.

4) Iraq could have been handled better (both operationally and in the press). "Major combat operations" must have meant, to him, the actual war. He could have been more clear in regards to operations -- we clearly weren't finished when the Iraqi forces surrendered. He could have said something like, "Now we'll be fighting the terrorists who want to destroy Iraq's democratic infancy" or something like that. Except he would have probably said "inferncy". hehe

Yes, Iraq could have gone better from Surrender -> now. We took the country fast but unfortunatly our inability to secure the borders allowed large amounts of foreign insurgents into the country. And you know everybody over there hates us. thats why people are Dying while standing in line to join the police force to retake their country. I personally think there is a reason they target the police, they are able to tell the native Iraqi citizens from the acual insurgents.. something us americans cant really do..

I think he thought that Saddam's WMDs were in Iraq (which means that he didn't lie, but simply was wrong). Regardless, we were justified in taking Saddam down and giving the IRaqis the chance to vote for their own leaders -- they showed that they valued freedom by showing up en masse to vote -- many of them braving bullets to do so.

Pretty much everybody at that time thought saddam had WMD's. Our Intel said that he had WMD's. His intel said that he WMD's. He said that he had WMD's. He had previously used Chemical WMD's on his own people. He probably did acually have WMD's before the invasion, but then again there was a good number of convoys leaving the country right before the invasion too. Any good dictator who would be trying to avoid UN inspection would keep such things mobile or well burried (just look at Iran and their nuclear program) We did remove a madman from office, he has commited genocide and promoted the murder of his own people. he has funded terrorists and was exploiting the UN for money. He needed to go.

1) your right, I like my money. I mean, do we really NEED welfare? No, if something bad happens to you through no fault of your own, dont whine to the Government, you should have had better luck.

This is the most ignorant statement I have ever read since David Irving. How can you choose to have better luck?

2)right again, everyone knows Saddam was a radical muslim and had hunreds of radical muslim training sites in Baghdad. I to shudder to think what would happen if we had a President who worked with the international community or worried about port sercurity, come on there are just containers, whats the worst that could happen?

If Saddam was a radical Muslim then explain to me why he drank alcohol and allowed the sale of alcohol.

Incidently there weren't any training camps in Baghdad before the invasion but guess what? There are now...

3) Right once again. I think wire taps should be mandatory in every home, just so no one says anything out of line. Im thinking of calling the NSA requesting they tap my lines, it would make me feel safer, just in case bin Laden calls.

I'm not going to dignify this statement with a reply, instead I'm going to laugh at you.

*points and laughs scornfully*

This is the most ignorant statement I have ever read since David Irving. How can you choose to have better luck?



If Saddam was a radical Muslim then explain to me why he drank alcohol and allowed the sale of alcohol.

Incidently there weren't any training camps in Baghdad before the invasion but guess what? There are now...



I'm not going to dignify this statement with a reply, instead I'm going to laugh at you.

*points and laughs scornfully*
Reread his post sarcastically and take a chill pill.

*holds Frangland's hand*
It's astonishing how many people think they know what a clue is. *shakes head*

Bush threads came to bore me to death. Same ol'thing

Reread his post sarcastically and take a chill pill.

I'm still not sure about this guy, on the one hand he supports a national health service and on the other he seems to be a nationalistic maniac.

I'm so confused.:(

I'm still not sure about this guy, on the one hand he supports a national health service and on the other he seems to be a nationalistic maniac.

I'm so confused.:(
He was definately sarcastic. And quite talented at it.

I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies. I think he is the best president this country has ever seen. The tax cuts have done wonders for the economy. The defecits I think are good, it just means the government isnt stealing our money like those pesky surpluses. The war on terror has gone perfectly, he even flew his jet on to an aircraft carrier to tell everyone how well Iraq went. He also right on all social issues, I mean come on, he TALKS TO JESUS! So he knows what jesus wants. I salute you Mr. President! What do you all think,poll coming.
He's a...very good president. I'm not upset about Iraq, So-Darned-Insane was a bad man. But I got anoyed at a few of his decisions...LIKE HANDING OVER THE PORTS...(or at least attempting to)...!!! Other then silly things like that, he's a good president...ESPECIALLY compared to that @#$* Kerry!!!! I'm a staunch Rebulican, and conservative. Congrats to you!

Eh, I give Bush 2.5/5. He's neither all good nor all bad, and I reserve all final judgement until after he leaves office. I have to admit, however, that his tax cuts were a good idea at the time they were passed, but should be scaled back gradually depending on the progress in balancing the budget.

To all serious posters in this thread:

Tsk, Tsk.

I have no opinion of Bush, but still, from structure of how the Original Poster is working, it doesn't seem like he's meaning for this to be serious.

I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies. I think he is the best president this country has ever seen. The tax cuts have done wonders for the economy. The defecits I think are good, it just means the government isnt stealing our money like those pesky surpluses. The war on terror has gone perfectly, he even flew his jet on to an aircraft carrier to tell everyone how well Iraq went. He also right on all social issues, I mean come on, he TALKS TO JESUS! So he knows what jesus wants. I salute you Mr. President! What do you all think,poll coming.

I have the slightest fealing you're being somewhat sarcastic here. Am I right?

To all serious posters in this thread:
Tsk, Tsk.
I have no opinion of Bush, but still, from structure of how the Original Poster is working, it doesn't seem like he's meaning for this to be serious.

I like turning joke threads in to serious ones. You get the humor of the original and a serious discussion in the same thread...not to mention that the over-the-top title can bring in more people to join the real discussion. It's a two in one.

Junior Bush has made more of a balls of the US economy than his father. If only the US population could see him formorethan a war/rhetoric-spouting president and see him for what he really is.

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- George W. Bush, 9/13/2001
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- George W. Bush, 3/13/2002

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking of new ways to harm our country and our people.. and neither do we."
- George W. Bush

See the pattern?

Bush threads came to bore me to death. Same ol'thing
Put on a happy face and buck up, lil' camper! This could be THE thread that brings those others to shame!
"Always look on the bright side of death!"

"I hope one day I can clone another Dick Cheney. Then I won't have to do anything."
- George W. Bush

He's a...very good president. I'm not upset about Iraq, So-Darned-Insane was a bad man. But I got anoyed at a few of his decisions...LIKE HANDING OVER THE PORTS...(or at least attempting to)...!!! Other then silly things like that, he's a good president...ESPECIALLY compared to that @#$* Kerry!!!! I'm a staunch Rebulican, and conservative. Congrats to you!
You know, the use of the dipthong au in the word "staunch" is a bit antiquated ... for the vernacular, the simple letter "e" suffices, given the circumstances.
Just a helpful tip. ;)

I have the slightest fealing you're being somewhat sarcastic here. Am I right?
Perhaps:) and perhaps Im DEADLY SERIOUS:eek: *evil laugh*

I'm sorry to any patriotic american hu thinks they shud like their president but the guy is using ur country's money to buy weapons of mass destruction and oil so he can rule the world
Bush---> :sniper:

"I hope one day I can clone another Dick Cheney. Then I won't have to do anything."
- George W. Bush
...then there'd be THREE so-called leaders with a terrible lack of aiming capability.

i beleive that not only is Bush the greatest persident ev3r, he shuld be known as the "great communicator" instead of Reagan, who I have a shrine of, because of Bush's immense rhetorical prowess.

Junior Bush has made more of a balls of the US economy than his father. If only the US population could see him formorethan a war/rhetoric-spouting president and see him for what he really is?

Actually, the US economy is doing pretty well...it might even repeat the performance of the 90's if a few more things fall in to line.

i beleive that not only is Bush the greatest persident ev3r, he shuld be known as the "great communicator" instead of Reagan, who I have a shrine of, because of Bush's immense rhetorical prowess.
I agree

Actually, the US economy is doing pretty well...it might even repeat the performance of the 90's if a few more things fall in to line.
Two things -
the bolded: an admission that Clinton did a few things right?
And,
what do you think the housing thing is going to do?

Two things -
the bolded: an admission that Clinton did a few things right?

Hell, he did a lot of things right...the only area he really failed in was energy policy.

And,what do you think the housing thing is going to do?

The data simply isn't confirming a bubble burst, but more of a gradual slowdown and transition in to nonresidential construction; it seems to be more of a gradual slowdown, but new construction is still strong. Also, demand for commercial construction is accelerating, and there's the billions of dollars in highway-bill spending coming. On the demand side, it's pretty safe.

However, the housing markets aren't plunging in value as was feared; they are slowing down but aren't collapsing as a bubble burst would suggest. Consumer spending also remains strong, in fact stronger than expected; this coincides with signs of accelerating real wages/income, which is a very good sign for 2006.

The economy is going well for whom? Upper middle and upper upper class? As for the employment rate, how much does that number go down when you remove all of the illegal aliens from the equation? Or even the ones who are here on Visas, who will be taking most of the money they earn back to their native countries and removing it from our economy?

Junior Bush has made more of a balls of the US economy than his father. If only the US population could see him formorethan a war/rhetoric-spouting president and see him for what he really is.

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- George W. Bush, 9/13/2001
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- George W. Bush, 3/13/2002

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking of new ways to harm our country and our people.. and neither do we."
- George W. Bush

See the pattern?

a side note....pres clintion found and caputured the people who bombed the world trade center in 1993...they are in jail Pres bush has not caught bin laden..just a side note

OK, lets take these one at a time...

please... tell me you were kidding. seriously, the war on terror hasn't gone perfectly, first of all he didn't fly the jet, second of all it was a PR stunt that failed miserably when 2,000 people died after "all major operations have ended".

Are you implying that the Bush administration intentionally killed 3000 of its own citizens for good PR??? I'm getting my tinfoil hat...

if anything he created more terror groups because now everyone hates us for invading the middle east,

The people that hated us before didn't need an excuse to attack us. We didn't invade "the Middle East", we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.

the economy is bad,

What planet are you on, several years of stable growth is not bad.

the defecit has gone up since his presidency, in fact he created the defecits.

Presidents don't create deficits. In fact they have little control over the economy. Alan Greenspan had more control over the economy that any politician. Now it may be true to say that increased spending and lower taxes caused the deficits, but that's congress.

I'm not seeing how the defecits can be good, it means he cuts needed programs or raises our taxes,

Spending reductions and tax cuts can only serve to strengthen the economy. The real trick is convincing the American people to support it.

and the rich get their taxes cut,

Everyone got their taxes cut. And you can save the 'rich got more money than than the poor' argument. Of course they did, they pay a higher amount in absolute dollars.

surpluses mean we can handle problems (Katrina) without having to borrow money from other nations.

Surpluses mean the government is taking too much of our money. I mean, it IS our money. More money in the hands of the American people means they have more money to spend on things that directly benefit them. Think of all the beaurocratic costs of the Federal government collecting all that money from the states, just to send it back to them. Cut Federal taxes, raise state taxes and you'll end up spending less overall than we do now. It's common sense.

The economy is going well for whom? Upper middle and upper upper class? As for the employment rate, how much does that number go down when you remove all of the illegal aliens from the equation? Or even the ones who are here on Visas, who will be taking most of the money they earn back to their native countries and removing it from our economy?

For most people, apparently. Participation is pretty good, as is employment-population ratio; all of the unemployment indicators are moving down and jobless claims are at their lowest since 2000. Real wages are rising, and good jobs in high paying fields are being created...the only people not benefitting are those without the education or the skills necessary to fill these positions.

The money these people get isn't taken from the economy. It is either spent here or spent in their home country, and is then returned to the US through investment and purchases of products; the US has a surplus of investment, meaning more people invest here than we invest abroad. Ultimately, visas and foreign workers increasing the strength of their home economies results in our economy being stronger...it's a win-win.

Illegal immigration needs to be addressed, however, to stop the waste of money and abuse of the workers in those fields.

These quarrels over the US economy have ignored the fact that the Saudi Arabians prop up a shitload of your economy

Presidents don't create deficits. In fact they have little control over the economy. Alan Greenspan had more control over the economy that any politician. Now it may be true to say that increased spending and lower taxes caused the deficits, but that's congress.
Even Greenspan implied that Bush's actions were having negative effects on the stability of the economy. He wasn't blaming it on congress.

2005/04/21
Alan Greenspan testified today before the Senate Budget Committee and had this to say:

"Indeed, under existing tax rates and reasonable assumptions about other spending, these projections make clear that the federal budget is on an unsustainable path, in which large deficits result in rising interest rates and ever-growing interest payments that augment deficits in future years. But most important, deficits as a percentage of GDP in these simulations rise without limit. Unless that trend is reversed, at some point these deficits would cause the economy to stagnate or worse."

Spending reductions and tax cuts can only serve to strengthen the economy. The real trick is convincing the American people to support it.
"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." -George W. Bush, May 24, 2005 in Rochester, NY (c'mon, ask me about the context!)

Everyone got their taxes cut. And you can save the 'rich got more money than than the poor' argument. Of course they did, they pay a higher amount in absolute dollars.

http://159.54.226.83/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060208/OPINION/602080307/1050

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/13854274.htm

http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2006/02/10/opinion/iq_3896380.txt

http://www.huntingtonnews.net/national/060207-shns-budget.html

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/13810379.htm
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Hope there's enough for ya to chew on.

These quarrels over the US economy have ignored the fact that the Saudi Arabians prop up a shitload of your economy

And China, Russia, Brazil, Canada, the EU, and Japan (not to mention all of the other nations in the world)...pretty much any nation the US trades with holds up some of our economy, and we hold up some of theirs. Honestly, there is no nation that is economically independent of others, and the only one even remotely close to it is North Korea...and you see how that turns out.

The more countries that have a stake in each other's well being, the less chance that any of them will do anything to disrupt that growth, and the more likely they will do things to increase it since it ultimately will come back to them as stronger growth at home.

Even Greenspan implied that Bush's actions were having negative effects on the stability of the economy. He wasn't blaming it on congress.

2005/04/21
Alan Greenspan testified today before the Senate Budget Committee and had this to say:

"Indeed, under existing tax rates and reasonable assumptions about other spending, these projections make clear that the federal budget is on an unsustainable path, in which large deficits result in rising interest rates and ever-growing interest payments that augment deficits in future years. But most important, deficits as a percentage of GDP in these simulations rise without limit. Unless that trend is reversed, at some point these deficits would cause the economy to stagnate or worse."


That's true; eventually, the deficits will cause inflation to progressively worsen and will then create a self sustaining downward spiral of inflationary pressure that will either collapse the economy on its own or force the Federal Reserve to artificially tighten the money supply and cause a recession (like they did in 1982)...either way, it will suck.

Thankfully, at present that risk is low, but a few years down the line and it will be pretty problematic if we keep it up. However, we are approaching full employment, meaning there will be an inflationary gap created by these deficits...my guess is that they will start to stoke inflation in 2007, but if the deficit trends downward according to Congress's plan, it will be different. Of course, that's assuming they actually stick to their plan, but...

This doesn't include the upcoming shortfalls in Social Security or Medicare, either.

That's true; eventually, the deficits will cause inflation to progressively worsen and will then create a self sustaining downward spiral of inflationary pressure that will either collapse the economy on its own or force the Federal Reserve to artificially tighten the money supply and cause a recession (like they did in 1982)...either way, it will suck.

Thankfully, at present that risk is low, but a few years down the line and it will be pretty problematic if we keep it up. However, we are approaching full employment, meaning there will be an inflationary gap created by these deficits...my guess is that they will start to stoke inflation in 2007, but if the deficit trends downward according to Congress's plan, it will be different. Of course, that's assuming they actually stick to their plan, but...

This doesn't include the upcoming shortfalls in Social Security or Medicare, either.
Yep.
As per the SS, i looked up the averages and at the time that Bush started going off about it, it was not dissimilar in the average than it had been for the past ten years, as far as what was available, what was going to be paid out, and how soon anything needed to be done. But the Baby Boomer thing is a different angle to prepare for, and the subtle angle here appeared to be the issue of how much got earmarked and how much was going to continually be pulled from SS to cover whatever congress/admin wanted.
The Medicare thing is already in the way of the switch.

My vote is for sock puppet.

He's too inconsistent in terms of his position, level of hyperbole, and spelling errors to be the real thing.

I'm talking about the UN abassodorship, not Bush. Though I guess you could apply the same logic to Bush.

As per the SS, i looked up the averages and at the time that Bush started going off about it, it was not dissimilar in the average than it had been for the past ten years, as far as what was available, what was going to be paid out, and how soon anything needed to be done. But the Baby Boomer thing is a different angle to prepare for, and the subtle angle here appeared to be the issue of how much got earmarked and how much was going to continually be pulled from SS to cover whatever congress/admin wanted.
The Medicare thing is already in the way of the switch.

I think what shot SS/Medicare solvency in the foot more than anything can be summed up nicely by the date March 10, 2000. That's when the NASDAQ bubble burst and the surplus projections were effectively annihiliated...no more $2 trillion over the next decade, unfortunately.

Of course, even without the IXIC bubble, we were still cash-flow neutral to positive, which would have bought us more time to save SS/Medicare...it's going to be tough now, given the Congressional predilection towards outspending each other's party.

I think what shot SS/Medicare solvency in the foot more than anything can be summed up nicely by the date March 10, 2000. That's when the NASDAQ bubble burst and the surplus projections were effectively annihiliated...no more $2 trillion over the next decade, unfortunately.

Of course, even without the IXIC bubble, we were still cash-flow neutral to positive, which would have bought us more time to save SS/Medicare...it's going to be tough now, given the Congressional predilection towards outspending each other's party.
Agreed, actually. That little bit o'back-up makes a lotta difference.
*nods*

Agreed, actually. That little bit o'back-up makes a lotta difference.
*nods*

It was the perfect storm; a new president that didn't hold to the fiscal restraint of his predecessor, the destruction of several trillion dollars in wealth
a recession that reduced employment and decreased tax revenues, a gigantic tax cut that is growing increasingly less beneficial, and a Congress hell bent on spending now that the paygo system is shot to pieces.


(and, regardless of the opinions of some Republicans, Clinton did pursue fiscal restraint vigorously during his terms in office after the early 1990's were past)

It was the perfect storm; a new president that didn't hold to the fiscal restraint of his predecessor, the destruction of several trillion dollars in wealth
a recession that reduced employment and decreased tax revenues, a gigantic tax cut that is growing increasingly less beneficial, and a Congress hell bent on spending now that the paygo system is shot to pieces.


(and, regardless of the opinions of some Republicans, Clinton did pursue fiscal restraint vigorously during his terms in office after the early 1990's were past)
It sure didn't help when the new pres thought of himself as having a "mandate", and the utter LACK of vetoes to any bill that wasn't an issue of personal distaste/overt political tipping.
Congress sure isn't helping much either.

It sure didn't help when the new pres thought of himself as having a "mandate", and the utter LACK of vetoes to any bill that wasn't an issue of personal distaste/overt political tipping.
Congress sure isn't helping much either.

I don't think he's vetoed anything...that makes him the first president since the early 19th century to not veto anything.

He's too inconsistent in terms of his position, level of hyperbole, and spelling errors to be the real thing.

I'm talking about the UN abassodorship, not Bush.
Why must you insult me so. I just wanted to start a tongue n' cheek post, however some thought I was serious, and started a somewhat serious discussion. If people cant see the humour in this post, sorry.

Why must you insult me so. I just wanted to start a tongue n' cheek post, however some though I was serious, and started a somewhat serious discussion. If people cant see the humour in this post, sorry.
No no no .... this isn't the "apology" thread! What're you doing? You'll lose control! Noooooooo :eek:

I don't think he's vetoed anything...that makes him the first president since the early 19th century to not veto anything.*nods*
He was pretty sure of his "mandate" and his majority to do all the work for him, ergo he hadn't any intention of actually lifting the quill in the first place.
Until recently, that is.
At least that prick DeLay is having some troubles now (and the others, but DeLay was pretty important)

Bush is the greatest!
Definitely is! I love Bush!
Woot!







Oh. wait. You're talking about George Bush. I, ah, thought you, ah were talking about, ah something else.
(*goes back to looking at porn sites*)

Ahhh shrubby.

I think it was Jim Hightower who said

"George Bush was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple"

http://www.5aday.gov/tools/assets/photos/banana.jpg

No no no .... this isn't the "apology" thread! What're you doing? You'll lose control! Noooooooo :eek:
Your right! apology is now null and void

Definitely is! I love Bush!
Woot!







Oh. wait. You're talking about George Bush. I, ah, thought you, ah were talking about, ah something else.
(*goes back to looking at porn sites*)
I love Dick n' Bush, remember the good days when it was Dick n' Colin?

Your poll is biased.

I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies. I think he is the best president this country has ever seen. The tax cuts have done wonders for the economy. The defecits I think are good, it just means the government isnt stealing our money like those pesky surpluses. The war on terror has gone perfectly, he even flew his jet on to an aircraft carrier to tell everyone how well Iraq went. He also right on all social issues, I mean come on, he TALKS TO JESUS! So he knows what jesus wants. I salute you Mr. President! What do you all think,poll coming.

*COUGH**COUGH**COUGH*

Aww c'mon, will you at least admit that you are somebodies' puppet? P l e a s e... :p

Your poll is biased.



*COUGH**COUGH**COUGH*

Aww c'mon, will you at least admit that you are somebodies' puppet? P l e a s e... :p
I have a sneaking suspicion that it's either Myrth or JesusSaves incognito *nods* ... mmmhmmm.

please... tell me you were kidding. seriously, the war on terror hasn't gone perfectly, first of all he didn't fly the jet, second of all it was a PR stunt that failed miserably when 2,000 people died after "all major operations have ended". if anything he created more terror groups because now everyone hates us for invading the middle east, the economy is bad, the defecit has gone up since his presidency, in fact he created the defecits. I'm not seeing how the defecits can be good, it means he cuts needed programs or raises our taxes, and the rich get their taxes cut, surpluses mean we can handle problems (Katrina) without having to borrow money from other nations.

He talks to Jesus!? where are you getting this from? Pat Robertson?


Number one: Pat Robertson calls for assasinations so don't mention him in anything.

Number two: Would you rather have more small, poorly operated, and badly funded terrorist groups; or several monsters with the backing of Saddam's fortune? Think about it!!!

i beleive that not only is Bush the greatest persident ev3r, he shuld be known as the "great communicator" instead of Reagan, who I have a shrine of, because of Bush's immense rhetorical prowess.YEAH I say we amend the Constitution so we can have 8 more years. WAHAHAHA I am having a blast.

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I just have the inexplicable urge to tell someone OMFG BUSH ROXORZ TEH BIG ONE111!

I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies. I think he is the best president this country has ever seen. The tax cuts have done wonders for the economy. The defecits I think are good, it just means the government isnt stealing our money like those pesky surpluses. The war on terror has gone perfectly, he even flew his jet on to an aircraft carrier to tell everyone how well Iraq went. He also right on all social issues, I mean come on, he TALKS TO JESUS! So he knows what jesus wants. I salute you Mr. President! What do you all think,poll coming.


to be polite..he can lick my balls and i wont honor him with farting in his face...simply,,,he sucks!

I havent tortured kids
Okay then, an avocate of child torture.

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-or-

I just have the inexplicable urge to tell someone OMFG BUSH ROXORZ TEH BIG ONE111!
Ok got all that minus the this part "9Ш/\/$" WTF IS THAT!???! and what is with the betterest?? /ends bas**rd rant...
anyways GWB is a complete p*ick the only thing he is best at is fecking up his country!!

Please!!!!!

It's near to be the worst president ever!

I havent tortured kids
You've tortured me.

I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies. I think he is the best president this country has ever seen. The tax cuts have done wonders for the economy. The defecits I think are good, it just means the government isnt stealing our money like those pesky surpluses. The war on terror has gone perfectly, he even flew his jet on to an aircraft carrier to tell everyone how well Iraq went. He also right on all social issues, I mean come on, he TALKS TO JESUS! So he knows what jesus wants. I salute you Mr. President! What do you all think,poll coming.

*** Feels ill after reading the above ***

I like turning joke threads in to serious ones. You get the humor of the original and a serious discussion in the same thread...not to mention that the over-the-top title can bring in more people to join the real discussion. It's a two in one.

Oh, then what a deal.

I love the Honourable George Walker Bush, I want to have his babies. I think he is the best president this country has ever seen. The tax cuts have done wonders for the economy. The defecits I think are good, it just means the government isnt stealing our money like those pesky surpluses. The war on terror has gone perfectly, he even flew his jet on to an aircraft carrier to tell everyone how well Iraq went. He also right on all social issues, I mean come on, he TALKS TO JESUS! So he knows what jesus wants. I salute you Mr. President! What do you all think,poll coming.

You are such a pariot.

Bush is thick. Lets leave it at that.